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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 16:38:58 GMT
Uhh, how about just making the whole discussion moot by opening all romances for all genders and races like in DA2? That's the best solution, really. No more complaints about not being able to romance whoever cuz you're whatever That's my biggest heart's desire. Unfortunately, BioWARE really does not like giving the players that choice
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 16:44:40 GMT
I also agree, that Blackwall would have worked well as a bi character I'd like everyone to be bi, but if only Blackwall was made bi, then the whole all-important "each sexuality has an exclusive romance" will nor be true for a straight female of all races.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 15, 2018 18:19:09 GMT
Uhh, how about just making the whole discussion moot by opening all romances for all genders and races like in DA2? That's the best solution, really. No more complaints about not being able to romance whoever cuz you're whatever The problem with this idea is that this DA2 experiment is considered to be a failure. I'm not aware of actual market research data -- if EA has it they never shared it -- but forum chatter was pretty solidly against making everybody bi. Worse, the writers didn't like writing the NPCs that way.
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Post by Rouccoco on Jan 15, 2018 18:32:49 GMT
I don't care for either character, but it seems strange that they'd pass over a hunk character with an established fan base for a hairy 50 year old man? I'd take that hairy 50 year old over a noodle-hair ken doll any day :poker: I think his lack of popularity has more to do with the flow of the romance, his personal quest, and the fact that with most companions he's fairly dull.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 15, 2018 18:34:37 GMT
I don't care for either character, but it seems strange that they'd pass over a hunk character with an established fan base for a hairy 50 year old man? Every romance poll I've seen has him as the least romanced character by far. Obviously DAI is a done deal, but it makes me worry about how they'll approach romances in DA4. I'm surprised, thought Blackwall's romance and character was a popular one. Don't care for his character or personal story but he makes a good warrior sometimes. Prefer Cassandra or Iron Bull on the team. Cullen was the sort of knight with flaws and would have liked him to be a companion to take on the field. Well, here's some polling data.Note that the poll respondents seem to be weighted towards more female PCs than the DA playerbase as a whole plays. But of course, this sort of self-selected poll can't get a representative sample, and nobody's pretending it did.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 15, 2018 19:12:37 GMT
And I don't understand the Cullen craze. Or rather, I do, but can't think of no kind way to put it I don't care for either character, but it seems strange that they'd pass over a hunk character with an established fan base for a hairy 50 year old man? Bioware is all about inclusion ... hairy neckbeards pushing 50 like to get it on too, ya know. EDIT: Damn, I should have written "like a roll in the hay too (literally)". Missed opportunity.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 15, 2018 19:33:18 GMT
I'm surprised, thought Blackwall's romance and character was a popular one. Don't care for his character or personal story but he makes a good warrior sometimes. Prefer Cassandra or Iron Bull on the team. Cullen was the sort of knight with flaws and would have liked him to be a companion to take on the field. Well, here's some polling data.Note that the poll respondents seem to be weighted towards more female PCs than the DA playerbase as a whole plays. But of course, this sort of self-selected poll can't get a representative sample, and nobody's pretending it did. Very interesting poll. Thank you for sharing!
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Post by invisibleman on Jan 15, 2018 20:22:46 GMT
well, i too liked cassandra... though i do admit there didn't seem to be any romancible super hot female characters in DA:I, the likes of say morrigan. though, perhaps it just seems that way because we don't really have anyone wearing skimpy outfits.
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Post by Wildfire on Jan 15, 2018 21:52:56 GMT
Uhh, how about just making the whole discussion moot by opening all romances for all genders and races like in DA2? That's the best solution, really. No more complaints about not being able to romance whoever cuz you're whatever The problem with this idea is that this DA2 experiment is considered to be a failure. I'm not aware of actual market research data -- if EA has it they never shared it -- but forum chatter was pretty solidly against making everybody bi. Worse, the writers didn't like writing the NPCs that way. Well, one could say that the whole DA2 is considered to be a failure, but for me it's the only DA game I actually like I think they could just make the romances and dialogue lines a bit different based on the gender of the PC, like in DA2. I mean, I don't mind NPC's having set orientations, but I simply don't see added value in making them anything else than open to everyone. Unless one wants to make their racial/sexual orientations plot relevant or part of their character (Dorian, Solas). I don't think games should be too restrictive in these things.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 22:29:10 GMT
For me the DA2 romances were the ones done right. They adapted and changed based on what was important to me - the PC's personality and his/her relationship with each particular character. Gates assess your character solely on his or her gender and race, making the compatibility mechanical rather than emotional. And DA2 romances were really romantic too. I don't know about other players, but I did not like Blackwall even when I added a mod that improved his looks to great (for me personally) because he was just boring and non-romantic for me. I like lots of an old-fashioned drama and excitement in a lovestory like with Anders or Thane, not the dating and the kissing or sex screen screenshots. I hope even if they keep the gates, they will have something more high-fantasy and drama and romantic in DA4 romances. Maybe they are tired of "more of the same" but I want "more of the same" in spirit and not really into modern-casual...
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Post by Lazarillo on Jan 15, 2018 23:52:24 GMT
well, i too liked cassandra... though i do admit there didn't seem to be any romancible super hot female characters in DA:I, the likes of say morrigan. To be fair, Morrigan stops being "super hot" pretty quickly after opening her mouth. Misanthropy isn't sexy.
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Post by jaison1986 on Jan 16, 2018 0:01:36 GMT
Well, here's some polling data.Note that the poll respondents seem to be weighted towards more female PCs than the DA playerbase as a whole plays. But of course, this sort of self-selected poll can't get a representative sample, and nobody's pretending it did. Interesting. Fenris, Alistair and Cullen are the most popular there. Is Blackwall unpopular because of his age or his personality and story. Cullen was better looking in DA2 then DAI imo. His story and personality was good in DAI. I think it's because there were way better options. Blackwall was manly geared towards female players. And why would they bother with him when they have pretty boy Cullen as an options? Or the blissful masochism of Solas romance? Wich kind of pisses me off, considered his pretty much wasted slot could have been saved for a more interesting character, like Leliana, or Harding.
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Post by invisibleman on Jan 16, 2018 0:06:51 GMT
well, i too liked cassandra... though i do admit there didn't seem to be any romancible super hot female characters in DA:I, the likes of say morrigan. To be fair, Morrigan stops being "super hot" pretty quickly after opening her mouth. Misanthropy isn't sexy. oh, i suppose. though, i personally don't really mind it. and given the current state of things within the game's world, she does happen to make sense sometimes, even if she is blunt about it.
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Post by copper on Jan 16, 2018 0:12:40 GMT
Interesting. Fenris, Alistair and Cullen are the most popular there. Is Blackwall unpopular because of his age or his personality and story. Cullen was better looking in DA2 then DAI imo. His story and personality was good in DAI. I think it's because there were way better options. Blackwall was manly geared towards female players. And why would they bother with him when they have pretty boy Cullen as an options? Or the blissful masochism of Solas romance? Wich kind of pisses me off, considered his pretty much wasted slot could have been saved for a more interesting character, like Leliana, or Harding. I believe devs didn't want Leliana available since she was already a romance option in Origins. And while Blackwall is the least popular romance, I disagree with your opinion that he shouldn't have been an option to begin with. Blackwall is more appealing to me as a character than Cullen or Solas, both of whom I frankly find quite boring.
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Post by jastall on Jan 16, 2018 0:33:42 GMT
I'm happy to see a Luzarius thread actually end up somewhere good for a change.
Personally it just seems like Bioware generally doesn't tie up being a romance option and being attractive. I mean, most romance options in DAI couldn't be considered conventionally attractive. Cullen is the only one, the rest of the male cast isn't; Blackwall is older with a bushy beard, Dorian is Freddie Mercury which doesn't work for everyone, Solas is a baldie, and Iron Bull is a grey BDSM giant with huge horns and an eyepatch. Not exactly a bunch of Prince Charmings, in regards to their appearance at least.
I do think they could have more hotties all around. It's not like Bioware doesn't know how to design them, Leliana and Morrigan were very good looking, albeit not romances for obvious reasons.
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Post by jaison1986 on Jan 16, 2018 0:36:23 GMT
I think it's because there were way better options. Blackwall was manly geared towards female players. And why would they bother with him when they have pretty boy Cullen as an options? Or the blissful masochism of Solas romance? Wich kind of pisses me off, considered his pretty much wasted slot could have been saved for a more interesting character, like Leliana, or Harding. Yeah, Cullen Solas, Sera for female Inquisitor. Harding is so cute, she would have been a great companion. Could be Leliana wasn't an option because she was in the first one. Yeah, but not everyone romanced her. Solas can only be romanced if you chose a pretty specific combination of race and gender. Didn't stop him from being an option. I just wish Leliana was an option. Her character arc is far more interesting in Inquisition then in Origins. To me anyway.
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Post by githcheater on Jan 16, 2018 1:08:26 GMT
I do think they could have more hotties all around. It's not like Bioware doesn't know how to design them, Leliana and Morrigan were very good looking, albeit not romances for obvious reasons. Vivienne and Bethany were hotties ... but were off limits so as not to pander to "privileged pigs".
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Post by Verfallen on Jan 16, 2018 1:11:35 GMT
Yeah I liked Leliana also and her story arc especially if you do Hushed Whispers. She is my pick for Divine also. And the other 2 advisers were available so not sure why she wasn't. Wasn't into Blackwall or his story and haven't romanced him. Probably because some people killed her waaaay back in Origins, leading to her not quite being what she seemed in DAI.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 16, 2018 1:20:04 GMT
I do think they could have more hotties all around. It's not like Bioware doesn't know how to design them, Leliana and Morrigan were very good looking, albeit not romances for obvious reasons. Vivienne and Bethany were hotties ... but were off limits so as not to pander to "privileged pigs". Bethany? You mean...your sister...? I doubt her being off limits had anything to do with "not pandering".
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Post by shechinah on Jan 16, 2018 1:23:48 GMT
Yeah I liked Leliana also and her story arc especially if you do Hushed Whispers. She is my pick for Divine also. And the other 2 advisers were available so not sure why she wasn't. Wasn't into Blackwall or his story and haven't romanced him. Probably because some people killed her waaaay back in Origins, leading to her not quite being what she seemed in DAI. That and she's already been romanceable once. If people want to romance Leliana then they've already had the chance to do so.
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Post by melbella on Jan 16, 2018 1:31:41 GMT
Yeah, back when she was just crazy, not crazy and psycho. I romanced her once in DAO to get the achievement but I didn't think she was anything special.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 16, 2018 1:36:39 GMT
I think Leliana is far more interesting in DAI than she was in DAO, but I'm glad she wasn't a romance option this time around. Mostly 'cause I would have been salty - what makes Leliana so special that she gets TWO romance arcs, while Zevran and Morrigan and Alistair get one? Personally it just seems like Bioware generally doesn't tie up being a romance option and being attractive. I mean, most romance options in DAI couldn't be considered conventionally attractive. I thought we had lots of hotties this time around. Especially Sera, Bull, Dorian, and Josephine.
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Post by jastall on Jan 16, 2018 1:38:33 GMT
I do think they could have more hotties all around. It's not like Bioware doesn't know how to design them, Leliana and Morrigan were very good looking, albeit not romances for obvious reasons. Vivienne and Bethany were hotties ... but were off limits so as not to pander to "privileged pigs". I mean when it comes to Bethany, her being off-limits is less pandering than just being the sane thing to do.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 16, 2018 1:38:57 GMT
I think Leliana is far more interesting in DAI than she was in DAO, but I'm glad she wasn't a romance option this time around. Mostly 'cause I would have been salty - what makes Leliana so special that she gets TWO romance arcs, while Zevran and Morrigan and Alistair get one? Personally it just seems like Bioware generally doesn't tie up being a romance option and being attractive. I mean, most romance options in DAI couldn't be considered conventionally attractive. I thought we had lots of hotties this time around. Especially Sera, Bull, Dorian, and Josephine. And I'd add Cassandra just to make the OPs head explode....
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 16, 2018 1:42:35 GMT
I think Leliana is far more interesting in DAI than she was in DAO, but I'm glad she wasn't a romance option this time around. Mostly 'cause I would have been salty - what makes Leliana so special that she gets TWO romance arcs, while Zevran and Morrigan and Alistair get one? I thought we had lots of hotties this time around. Especially Sera, Bull, Dorian, and Josephine. And I'd add Cassandra just to make the OPs head explode.... Cass is attractive, it's just the Chantry fervor that doesn't do it for me.
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