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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 27, 2016 9:35:52 GMT
I do hope we aren't meant to fulfil the role of Drakon seeing as I consider his prophesy to have been a false one, intended to justify his bloodbath in southern Thedas. It was relevant to DAI because it explained why we were thought of as being the "Herald", particularly by the ordinary people. Plus if the prophesy was real, then that means it makes no difference what we do since everything is fated to happen and everyone is just a pawn of the "Maker". (Whilst this is true in terms of the writers of the story, it will be rather disappointing in the context of a video game). It was bad enough having the role of Herald thrust upon us whether we liked it or not, without ever being able to challenge the Chantry (Drakon's) version of the religion of Andraste. So if we can't keep on playing the Inquisitor (but under a different title) then I would rather return to the type of PC we had in the first two games; someone who is caught up in events and makes the best of the situation they find themselves in, helping save the world/city in the process but not someone who is a "chosen one" of a particular religion.
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Post by eravas on Dec 27, 2016 10:10:32 GMT
I'm not fond of the Chosen One trope. It was an early turn off for me in Inquisition. If they do go that route, I want the PC to go through a shit ton of adversity. I don't want people to worship him/her. By Drakon's role I mean that it would be loosely based on his prophecy. Considering that it describes the fall of the Veil and what sounds very much like Titans, I'm more than a little suspicious.
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Post by jadedragon on Dec 27, 2016 13:21:11 GMT
Yes both the Inquisitor and Southern Thedas all are wrapped up and finished. We have to remember there are two main characters in Dragon Age both the controlled character and the setting we change each game. The personal legend of the Inquisitor is over just like the Legend of the Warden and Legend of Hawke is all over. Sure they still go on personal quest and do amazing things but each game wraps up the story that made them a legend. Solas is not just a Inquisition problem he is a world problem similar to how Flemeth was never bound to just being the Warden's problem but in Witch Hunt its similar to trespasser ending The Warden walked off with a book about Flemeth or went into a mirror with her daughter either way they saw her as a threat and walked off into the distance with knowledge about a threat they possible killed or let live. Same difference here Solas threat is on a large scale he was worshiped as a God if anything he maybe tied to alot of the events within each game some way so everybody has a reason to kill him or save him depending on were you stand
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 27, 2016 15:19:07 GMT
Drakon wasn't the only one who had ideas that seemed to predict Solas. You will recall that the Order of Fiery Promise, a heretical cult of the Maker that started back before Drakon and existed down to the present, believed that the present world was so broken, the only solution was for it to be cleansed with fire and start again in order for the world to be a paradise again. That sounds an awful lot like Solas and the world "burning in the fires of chaos" when he tears down the Veil. Then of course you have the Dalish belief that their gods would only return when the remember what it is to be true elves. The gods cannot return with the Veil in place but if he tears it down, then allegedly the elves will be restored to their "true" state and the gods will be freed.
So, yes, there are plenty of hints in the beliefs of various people that point towards what Solas intends. Does that mean it is inevitable that it will happen or that perhaps Solas the Dreamer was rather active in the Fade, planting this idea, so when the time came there would be people who would actively assist him in achieving his aim?
The difference between the Inquisitor and our previous two PCs is that they didn't leave it with a direct confrontation between them and the main threat to the world that was unresolved. The Warden can feel that Morrigan is up to no good and can even stab her but there is no concrete plan declared to them. At the end of DA2 we are told Hawke's actions were a catalyst to rebellion by both mages and Templars (subsequently disproved by the novel Asunder) but it is Cassandra who claims they are important to its resolution and in any case, we were left there with the idea that their disappearance was somehow mysterious and linked to the absence of the Warden (a total red herring).
All that Trespasser needed to do was have the Qunari plot and the Exalted Council to explain why the Inquisitor was no longer such an important figure in the world. We didn't need to see Solas at all. The Inquisitor wasn't aware of what occurred with Mythal, so that could have been left as a cliff hanger for the next game. For some peculiar reason, instead of doing that, the writers deliberately made the Inquisitor aware of Solas' plot and then even gave them the choice to state what they were going to do about it. That was a very strange thing to do if you are not intending involving that character in some way in the future. It made the problem of Solas not just a world threatening one but a personal one where the Inquisitor was concerned. They even had Solas neutralise the anchor that was slowly killing you rather than letting it do so, which would have been a convenient, if rather controversial way, of removing the need to include the Inquisitor in future games.
Every person I know personally who has played Trespasser was left with the view that the Inquisitor was going to be returning in the next game. Most of these people were unaware of the writers' original declaration that there would be a new PC every game. It just seemed to them to be obvious they would return because of the way the story was left.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 27, 2016 20:48:39 GMT
I'm not fond of the Chosen One trope. It was an early turn off for me in Inquisition. If they do go that route, I want the PC to go through a shit ton of adversity. I don't want people to worship him/her. By Drakon's role I mean that it would be loosely based on his prophecy. Considering that it describes the fall of the Veil and what sounds very much like Titans, I'm more than a little suspicious. I often wonder if they regret putting the Mark on the Inquisitor's hand instead of on her forehead. That would have settled things once and for all.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Dec 28, 2016 8:36:43 GMT
you all know deep inside that while da4 will have a new hero, the final confrontation with inquisitor and solas will be paid dlc. Or maybe the inquisitor will be paid DLC advisor? Or preorder bonus?
i had to joke!! i am really intrigued by the dragon age universe since origins!
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Post by Xesthan on Jan 12, 2017 3:58:48 GMT
Extended it. I can see our Inquisitor playing a role similar to how Hawke did in DA:I.
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Post by halla on Jan 12, 2017 20:14:04 GMT
Since Tresspasser ends with dagger pointing area somewhere North BY Inquisitor with adviser, and the decision about keeping/disbanding Inquisition... I would like to play as Inq, but (with all my surprise) I would rather go with new character. Imo, Inquisitor was juiced out. Yet still powerful, let's say that person was able to build huge army, ally with a lot of people in something around a year? I have no idea how long it was, I won't lie. BUT. We have Dorian talking with Inquisitor via magical communicator. We have information that he created something new around Magisters and he is Magister (at least in my playthrough). We have Cassandra rebuilding Seekers. Divine as our friend. Leliana still on our side. And the Inquisitor itself studying map. For me, it all sums up we won't lose track of Inquisitor (and his people). So maybe we play as new character and Inquisitor is our boss? Or maybe we are Tevinter guy hired by Dorian that will go into last fight with Inquisitor? All the informations, about Hawke/Grey Wardens in Wheis..erm... that city I have problems with writing name down, this is hint at least for me something will be mentioned (in game or book) about it. Warden searching for cure, another hint we will hear more. But biggest one for me, looking back at games before Inq, I'm almost 100% sure there will be Titan or at least something to do with it. Remember DA2 with Cory? He shows in DAI. I'm really interested of next game. What if DA4 is about world already burning because Veil is teared down? Magical experiment allows Inquisitor re-grow arm or it's magical/pure lyrium (hi Fenris), it's whatever.... Andrastes tits, I love trying to figure out stuff like that. I really want to see something to do with whole World build on lies and misunderstanding going down, locked up gods/powerful being going to destroy everything in pure rage because they are locked away, titans going on rage.... whatever, just make it interesting and don't kill solavellans hearts. ![<3](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/bYmUqWGYNIhNE0GJanhP.png)
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Post by lundajfs on Jan 12, 2017 20:57:03 GMT
Trespasser made it obligatory for the Inquisitor to be the next game's PC however Bioware likes being stupid and screwing thir games because reasons and we will never see the end of Inquisitor's story. But why bother right? One can always play DAO infinitely as in forever and ever and never touch another game of this putrid franchise. Thank god almighty for this mod www.nexusmods.com/dragonage/mods/3973/?
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Post by Natashina on Jan 12, 2017 20:57:11 GMT
In my opinion, they left the story of the Inquisitor on a bit of a cliffhanger. The comments about being possibly semi-retired fell apart from me when they showed that final War Table scene. I finished the game feeling that the IQ was laying low for a bit. Not that their work was done, but that they were enjoying time away and dropping out of the spotlight for awhile.
However, with the loss of the arm, I'm not sure what the writers could do. Hawke's return as an NPC didn't go over very well with a lot of fans since it wasn't "their" Hawke. As a result, I can see the devs possibly shying away from doing that again. I can't see them ever doing a dual protagonist. Plus, while Dagna could whip up something, I'm stuck about what could help a 2H warrior or a duel-wielding rogue.
I feel like that they had the IQ's arm removed to have an excuse to do a new player character. I'm a little disgruntled by that decision, but eh, I'll roll with it.
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Post by Xesthan on Jan 12, 2017 21:33:01 GMT
In my opinion, they left the story of the Inquisitor on a bit of a cliffhanger. The comments about being possibly semi-retired fell apart from me when they showed that final War Table scene. I finished the game feeling that the IQ was laying low for a bit. Not that their work was done, but that they were enjoying time away and dropping out of the spotlight for awhile. However, with the loss of the arm, I'm not sure what the writers could do. Hawke's return as an NPC didn't go over very well with a lot of fans since it wasn't "their" Hawke. As a result, I can see the devs possibly shying away from doing that again. I can't see them ever doing a dual protagonist. Plus, while Dagna could whip up something, I'm stuck about what could help a 2H warrior or a duel-wielding rogue. I feel like that they had the IQ's arm removed to have an excuse to do a new player character. I'm a little disgruntled by that decision, but eh, I'll roll with it. I was one of the people that liked Hawke's return. I'm fortunate enough that the portrayal of the character was just about the same as the personality I gave them when I played the game.
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Post by Natashina on Jan 12, 2017 21:35:18 GMT
XesthanOh, I did too, but I think we're in the minority.
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Post by phoray on Jan 12, 2017 22:55:44 GMT
^^^^
I was not phased by my first viewing of my Hawke either. Because I take her comments about blood magic to mean the sort of magic that requires human sacrifice and not to be against Merrill or his/her own limited battle use of it. And I haven't heard a line yet to convince me otherwise.
But my sarcastic Hawke wasn't funny at all. And I do dislike what a Hawke has to say about Anders if they totally high fived him about the Chantry explosion. Only to subtlety imply he's a monster a few years later. So, I can see where the portrayal may have gone South for a lot of folks.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 12, 2017 23:16:03 GMT
In my opinion, they left the story of the Inquisitor on a bit of a cliffhanger. The comments about being possibly semi-retired fell apart from me when they showed that final War Table scene. I finished the game feeling that the IQ was laying low for a bit. Not that their work was done, but that they were enjoying time away and dropping out of the spotlight for awhile. However, with the loss of the arm, I'm not sure what the writers could do. Hawke's return as an NPC didn't go over very well with a lot of fans since it wasn't "their" Hawke. As a result, I can see the devs possibly shying away from doing that again. I can't see them ever doing a dual protagonist. Plus, while Dagna could whip up something, I'm stuck about what could help a 2H warrior or a duel-wielding rogue. I feel like that they had the IQ's arm removed to have an excuse to do a new player character. I'm a little disgruntled by that decision, but eh, I'll roll with it. I was one of the people that liked Hawke's return. I'm fortunate enough that the portrayal of the character was just about the same as the personality I gave them when I played the game. I would like, if he wouldn't so hypocrite (blood mage), or if didn't said about Anders, that monster blah-blah, when he was his best friend/love (true, much better, if he had said, that Anders an idiot... so I suppose, I must be grateful...) ^^^^ I was not phased by my first viewing of my Hawke either. Because I take her comments about blood magic to mean the sort of magic that requires human sacrifice and not to be against Merrill or his/her own limited battle use of it. And I haven't heard a line yet to convince me otherwise. But my sarcastic Hawke wasn't funny at all. And I do dislike what a Hawke has to say about Anders if they totally high fived him about the Chantry explosion. Only to subtlety imply he's a monster a few years later. So, I can see where the portrayal may have gone South for a lot of folks. Thank you. Exacly this is my feeling (you know). Hawke was disappointingly burned out (true, probably because of the mages stupid presentation in the Inquisition...) And I'm sure, that my Anders romanced Hawke won't join to Varric in Kirkwall. Unless, if Anders welcome in Kirkwall... By the way: Why Hawke went to Weisshaupt? The wardens don't have one proper commander/senior officer? Interesting.
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Post by mikoto on Jan 13, 2017 4:30:46 GMT
I feel that Trespasser expanded the Inquisitor's story, didn't wrap it up at all.
Personally I would really, really like it if the Inquisitor was the next player character in DA4, or at least an option but I know the Devs stated they want a new PC for each game and cutting off part of the Inquisitor's arm really felt like an excuse to go ahead with that along with disbanding/neutering the Inquisition itself. That being said healing magic seems able to heal up some pretty serious, large and/or life threatening injuries so I'm wondering how much of a stretch it would be for repeated sessions of healing magic, lots of healer mages working together or perhaps a spirit healer to regrow the lost limb.
Still I wouldn't object to a new player character in DA4 to be the 'unknown agent' against Solas but I'd still expect the former Inquisitor to be their boss or an advisor for large parts of DA4.
I was one of the lucky players for whom the Hawke that showed up in DAI really closely matched how I played Hawke in DA2. It was a pleasant experience for me.
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Post by Xesthan on Jan 13, 2017 5:40:25 GMT
The Dragon Age Keep does keep track of if you tried to redeem Solas or not and if you were friends with him. So how the Inquisitor feels about Solas should be accurate to your choices in DA 4.
I hope my Inquisitor gets a prosthetic arm if using magic to regrow it isn't possible. I remember hoping to see one in the ending. That would have made the ending even more similar to Empire Strikes Back.
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Post by halla on Jan 13, 2017 14:08:22 GMT
I mean, you can turn back tranquility, you can pure eluvians with blood magic, you have fenris with lyriom on his body... So I really don't see a problem to try and give Inquisitor new arm. Either with regrowth, fully lyrium... Somehow! And well, when the Veil goes down, I guess everyone, not only elves, got access to magic? So new arm inc. I hope. I were rogue, please give me back my beautiful arm ><
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 14, 2017 17:53:33 GMT
In my opinion, they left the story of the Inquisitor on a bit of a cliffhanger. The comments about being possibly semi-retired fell apart from me when they showed that final War Table scene. I finished the game feeling that the IQ was laying low for a bit. Not that their work was done, but that they were enjoying time away and dropping out of the spotlight for awhile. However, with the loss of the arm, I'm not sure what the writers could do. Hawke's return as an NPC didn't go over very well with a lot of fans since it wasn't "their" Hawke. As a result, I can see the devs possibly shying away from doing that again. I can't see them ever doing a dual protagonist. Plus, while Dagna could whip up something, I'm stuck about what could help a 2H warrior or a duel-wielding rogue. I feel like that they had the IQ's arm removed to have an excuse to do a new player character. I'm a little disgruntled by that decision, but eh, I'll roll with it. I was one of the people that liked Hawke's return. I'm fortunate enough that the portrayal of the character was just about the same as the personality I gave them when I played the game. Some of us were in a different position, unfortunately. Hawke's vocal condemnation of blood magic, for example: "I've seen enough of blood magic to know it never leads anywhere good!" Ludonarrative dissonance aside, this mindset for Hawke was pretty peculiar considering that Merrill romanced him in my canon (so he happens to be someone who is badmouthing blood mages while being romantically involved with a blood mage). If 'canon' Hawke is expressively anti-blood magic, it just made the relationship come across as fairly toxic and unhealthy.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 14, 2017 18:08:23 GMT
I mean, you can turn back tranquility, you can pure eluvians with blood magic, you have fenris with lyriom on his body... So I really don't see a problem to try and give Inquisitor new arm. Either with regrowth, fully lyrium... Somehow! And well, when the Veil goes down, I guess everyone, not only elves, got access to magic? So new arm inc. I hope. I were rogue, please give me back my beautiful arm >< Not yet... there are only unstable experiments, as i know, successful example don't exist yet. Honestly I don't think, that possible to produce a really good implant, what works in harmony with the body, but not excluded, with involving some blood magic, lyrium and runes...
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Post by procutemeister on Jan 15, 2017 4:37:26 GMT
Definitely extended the Inquisitor's story for me. The Inquisitor already has personal ties to Solas, and now knows his plans. If we don't get to see how our Inquisitor/ex-Inquisitor responds to it, then there was no point in adding that epilogue with the map pointing to Tevinter, or the whole sequence where you meet Solas, really.
If BW is really adamant on having a new protagonist, however, I'll be disappointed if they don't include the Inquisitor somehow. They're too tied to the conflict against Solas to not be included in it, IMO.
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Post by halla on Jan 15, 2017 12:20:34 GMT
I mean, you can turn back tranquility, you can pure eluvians with blood magic, you have fenris with lyriom on his body... So I really don't see a problem to try and give Inquisitor new arm. Either with regrowth, fully lyrium... Somehow! And well, when the Veil goes down, I guess everyone, not only elves, got access to magic? So new arm inc. I hope. I were rogue, please give me back my beautiful arm >< Not yet... there are only unstable experiments, as i know, successful example don't exist yet. Honestly I don't think, that possible to produce a really good implant, what works in harmony with the body, but not excluded, with involving some blood magic, lyrium and runes... I know I were mainly thinking about it after Veil going down, because I have a feeling we will be at the moment when it will be very close to that moment or we enter world in chaos because Veil went down. I would like to see it tbh. Fight with 'gods', uff already got goosebumps ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/RebJidSPcxyF0U0Rr0uW.png) But yeah, I think it will be with Inq as our boss. Like, stabbing that map, still having people on her command, it got to be something realted with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 12:56:13 GMT
I think it wrapped up quizzy's story really well, but I think s/he will have a bi role in DA4 probably we will be recruited by Inquisition (probably by scout Harding)
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Post by Gilsa on Jan 22, 2017 7:37:42 GMT
I expect the Inquisitor's story to be over. The lack of a limb is not an obstacle so this isn't even a reason. The companions are. If we return as the Inquisitor, we are going to want our boyfriends and girlfriends back for the ride. If they don't come back, what about romances overall? We gonna decide to break up with them so we can get new lovers like in ME2? Blackwall and Iron Bull can be dead in some world states. People won't appreciate being cheated out of companion slots if a new character doesn't fill the role, but others won't appreciate having characters being sidelined for that reason either. There's just a lot of questions on how to make it all work in order to bring the Inquisitor back which is why I think the Inquisitor is better off being a cameo much like Hawke was. (And I loved that Hawke came back like that.) Hawke did have three separate tones, which worked, but more questions can always be added to the Keep to help shape how we envisioned our Inquisitor's personality. I do sympathize for those what want a second go at Solas. I understand it. (Been there with drunk Alistair.) I just have my doubts that the next game will cater to that particular relationship, which is why I don't think the Inquisitor will return. I'd love to be wrong. I enjoy playing as a dwarf and I will take any reassurance that I can keep that going.
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Post by xilizhra on Jan 22, 2017 15:12:21 GMT
Honestly, I never liked the Inquisitor and would really rather not see them return. I could understand if it happens, and to be frank I have no idea at all what the protagonist status of the next game would be, but I would ideally keep them offscreen.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 22, 2017 16:07:24 GMT
I know some people want the Inquisitor to get a new limb somehow, but I don't find that likely. It seems clear to me that Bioware took their arm for the express purpose of having a reason to pull them from the front lines and justify a new character. And I haven't heard a new arm justification yet that wouldn't come across as contrived.
However, I like the idea of a dual protagonist. Most of the time we would be playing as the new PC, but we would get a handful of missions with the Inquisitor, focusing on stealth, puzzles, dialogue and preferably with access to a war table where we could make decision that affect the new protagonist's play, perhaps setting some sidequests for them.
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