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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 11, 2018 20:25:17 GMT
I do wonder how large the krogan colony on Elaaden would have grown in the span of, say, 20 years. Provided they have a steady birth rate, they’d see a proper population boost with new krogan most basically born for armed conflict from the start. Heck one krogan is basically several humans in a fight, more so if that krogan happens to be a biotic. That's why I think the AI and the Angara would just focus on holding onto Heleus for now. The krogan are strong and are more than capable of a fight and can breed fairly quickly when not restricted by things like the genophage which as Kesh points out in the game is weakening. So it's quite possible even on their own they could probably help defend but it would be too risky for them to try anything more at least until things get settled and they can stabilize the cluster once that is done they can then decide how to deal with the Kett assuming it's felt they need to get after them to prevent future attacks.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 11, 2018 21:08:06 GMT
No,
Take away the scourge, Archie would have destroyed Ryder and his/her little ragtag group of misfits at meridian. Even after gaining Meridian, what defenses do the Initiative have against the kett? They know the location of all the outposts, the Nexus and Meridian. Since Archie knew the location of the Nexus, I wouldn't be surprised if the kett know the location of Aya? Would Aya be able to defend itself if the kett decide to attack with a large force. If Primus sends word back to his homeworld about what happened, would the kett bosses send reinforcements? Most likely, to replenish the forces lost in the cluster, and how long will that take? Not as long as it would take for the Initiative to build any kind of force.
Another thing is Archie had the rookie in his grasp with the immobilzation field. At that time I would have fired at the salarian ship destroying it and possibly the tempest. Eventually gets the information from Ryder about the sam-in-the-head thing. He attacks and destroys the Nexus. The initiative is no more.
If I was in Primus spot, I would attack the Nexus. Take what ships he has, and attack. I'm sure within a few minutes the Nexus would be in ruin. Or better yet, invade the Nexus, like they did to get on the Hyperion, to take control of the Nexus. They kill the one's that fight back. Eventually they start exaltation. Who would come to the Nexus aid? What would an outpost do if the kett attack in force? They would crap all over themselves.
and yes.
Meridian. No one knows its true potential. Its the size of a small moon. It could be similar to the death star. Its possible there is a very large fleet of ships, fighters that can be used to fight. Even if there's plans that be used to build ships for attack purposes, that would take a lot of time, even with the robots helping. There could be plans to add weapons to the ships seen in the game. Would that be enough?
And yes again.
Its possible that a force from another cluster comes by doing some exploring when they encounter the angarans and Initiative. They become buddy, buddy. They talk about their species and that they have a massive force that can help deal with the kett. It will take time for it to get to the cluster. Once they rid the heleus of the kett, they can, with help from Initiaitive and angarans, travel to other clusters to get rid of the kett, if they're in other clusters.
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Post by cypherj on Jan 11, 2018 21:28:45 GMT
It all depends on how we're defining Empire as it pertains to the Kett. If they exalted even one whole planet they'd have hundreds of millions of people. If they exalted chunks of planet's populations across many clusters they would have just an overwhelming numbers. I already had to suspend disbelief to accept that the Initiative won this time with basically shuttles as their navy. But if the Kett came in full force to the Helius Cluster there's no way just the couple hundred thousand people in the Initiative (And that's being generous) and the Angarans would have a chance.
It would be like humans defending the Sol System from all the other Citadel races in the OT. Just not happening.
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Post by invisibleman on Jan 11, 2018 23:14:37 GMT
Currently? No. The initiative is small but brings tech from another galaxy so bonus. The Angara are severely diminished but have the intel. They're gonna need more boots on the ground (i.e find more Andromeda races) and/or some kind of super-stealthy-sneak-spy takedown and/or control of the scourge. But there's the potential for a beginning there. while it's true the angara have been fighting the kett for decades, that only gives them combat experience against the kett, though actual actionable intelligence has been fairly rare outside of the planetary conflict on voeld or kadara. the angrara might know a lot about how the kett fight, and what the local targets look like... however, beyond the fightning on voeld or the former kett presence in kadara port, cluster wide intel on the kett is still in very short supply.
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Post by Ahriman on Jan 12, 2018 7:42:39 GMT
No, Take away the scourge, Archie would have destroyed Ryder and his/her little ragtag group of misfits at meridian. Even after gaining Meridian, what defenses do the Initiative have against the kett? They know the location of all the outposts, the Nexus and Meridian. Since Archie knew the location of the Nexus, I wouldn't be surprised if the kett know the location of Aya? Would Aya be able to defend itself if the kett decide to attack with a large force. If Primus sends word back to his homeworld about what happened, would the kett bosses send reinforcements? Most likely, to replenish the forces lost in the cluster, and how long will that take? Not as long as it would take for the Initiative to build any kind of force. Another thing is Archie had the rookie in his grasp with the immobilzation field. At that time I would have fired at the salarian ship destroying it and possibly the tempest. Eventually gets the information from Ryder about the sam-in-the-head thing. He attacks and destroys the Nexus. The initiative is no more. If I was in Primus spot, I would attack the Nexus. Take what ships he has, and attack. I'm sure within a few minutes the Nexus would be in ruin. Or better yet, invade the Nexus, like they did to get on the Hyperion, to take control of the Nexus. They kill the one's that fight back. Eventually they start exaltation. Who would come to the Nexus aid? What would an outpost do if the kett attack in force? They would crap all over themselves. For the record, capturing Nexus shouldn't be possible without massive aid from the inside, because it can simply jump away. They just forgot about it when Archon captured Hyperion. Or didn't bother to fix engines since Scourge's hit on arrival, which sounds even more stupid. The thing with Remnant made ships is that they are unfit for proper warfare due Scourge reasons, you just give yourself more problems in the long run. And now I've remembered final battle again, damn.
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Post by Fogg on Jan 12, 2018 15:45:55 GMT
You don't know if the Kett rule all of Andromeda. Perhaps they're pretty small compared to other empires/federations. They could be just one of many interstellar groups.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 12, 2018 18:51:32 GMT
For the record, capturing Nexus shouldn't be possible without massive aid from the inside, because it can simply jump away. They just forgot about it when Archon captured Hyperion. Or didn't bother to fix engines since Scourge's hit on arrival, which sounds even more stupid. Ha. By the time Tann, my face is tired, Kesh and Kandros are finished arguing about who should get in the drivers seat to move the Nexus, it will be too late.
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Post by sil on Jan 12, 2018 19:49:31 GMT
You don't know if the Kett rule all of Andromeda. Perhaps they're pretty small compared to other empires/federations. They could be just one of many interstellar groups. I have a strong feeling that the Kett are very powerful on a local level rather than on a galactic level, purely because of the tech they need to employ to travel between clusters, and because the Andromeda galaxy is vastly larger than the Milky Way. That doesn't make them less of a threat, but it means there are likely rival powers to be found.
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Post by tacsear on Jan 12, 2018 20:17:08 GMT
Yes, but they won't be able to do so due to the ultimate villian that is EA
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 13, 2018 2:42:38 GMT
You don't know if the Kett rule all of Andromeda. Perhaps they're pretty small compared to other empires/federations. They could be just one of many interstellar groups. I have a strong feeling that the Kett are very powerful on a local level rather than on a galactic level, purely because of the tech they need to employ to travel between clusters, and because the Andromeda galaxy is vastly larger than the Milky Way. That doesn't make them less of a threat, but it means there are likely rival powers to be found. yeah I think they're moer of a local species than a galactic one as while genetically they may be more advanced technologically I don't think they are. I mean look how fast SAM got Ryder and the Angarran team into the Kett base to rescue the Moshae for example by hacking their systems if they were that technologically advanced they would have had safeguards against things like that especially while studying the Remnant. They may have control of 1 or 2 clusters but that'll likely be it. They I think just like to talk themselves up bigger than they are I think.
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Post by invisibleman on Jan 13, 2018 10:42:09 GMT
i'm not sure where people get this idea that the kett are less advanced then the initiative overall, the gist that i got was that they were generally evenly matched as far as technology is concerned? mainly the milkyway folks had their advantages, and the kett had their own too. though, granted the kett's main strength was their bio-genetic tech. however, i honestly can't recall any real sources on kett technology, other then the genetic alteration stuff in the codex, and costa saying something about kett weapons hitting as hard as theirs. kett equipment isn't really mentioned, nor is their level of actual technical sophistication... if i'm missing something would somebody mind pointing it out?
---edit and as far as SAM decripting their security at the exaltation facility... the kett actually had serous security systems installed at the time (iirc), that's why they needed SAM specifically to breach it, as the angara tried repeatedly without success. can't remember who said it, however it was said that there likely wouldn't be another chance to hit the facility, as the kett would seal the gaps in their defenses. so it seems like that was a fluke that was needed for the plot's sake.
dam, i need to get some sleep as i can hardly type atm, so sorry if i'm a tad disorganized, more than a tad would be my guess.
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Post by sil on Jan 13, 2018 13:33:50 GMT
i'm not sure where people get this idea that the kett are less advanced then the initiative overall, the gist that i got was that they were generally evenly matched as far as technology is concerned? mainly the milkyway folks had their advantages, and the kett had their own too. though, granted the kett's main strength was their bio-genetic tech. however, i honestly can't recall any real sources on kett technology, other then the genetic alteration stuff in the codex, and costa saying something about kett weapons hitting as hard as theirs. kett equipment isn't really mentioned, nor is their level of actual technical sophistication... if i'm missing something would somebody mind pointing it out? It's more that they would have a 'smaller' empire because of their FTL technology. They end up using arks to travel from cluster to cluster, which take a lot of time compared to the old Relay-to-Relay jump in the Milky Way. The Relay system in the MW allowed for large expansive areas to be relatively easily reached which allowed for there to be only a few dominant factions that are spread out thinly across the MW. Andromeda is much larger, and the FTL tech of the Kett means their empire is likely a lot smaller (but probably more dense) and takes a long time for them to travel across. It's not that they're less advanced in that sense, but they have taken a different path because they lack the Relays. When it comes to their tech in general, the Kett (as you say) are supreme when it comes to biology and modification, as it appears they have a culture based around furthering yourself via genetic incorporation and the socioreligious connections that has. On the other hand, though their security systems are tight, the Initiative has a massive step up on them in Virtual Intelligence and Artifical Intelligence technology, and seemingly, with things like mechs. I'd say though, we're at too early a stage in the story to fully understand whose tech is better, as the Kett in Heleus had been there decades without reinforcement, meaning they are likely to have lacked more recent tech found in the heart of the Empire.
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