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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Jan 10, 2018 15:54:27 GMT
Do you think the Nexus Council can build a military fleet capable of defending the Heleus Cluster from future Kett invasions? Do you think the Nexus races and Angara could build enough strength to go to other clusters and eventually wipe out the Kett Empire?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 16:03:49 GMT
Absolutely. Blockade them off, airdrop every Asari in the initiative, and give it 500 years...
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 10, 2018 18:38:46 GMT
The cluster, sure. Once the kett’s strongholds are dismantled, they’d have a pretty hard time if they sent another wave, because in the time it takes their “arks” to make it to Heleus, the growing civilization in the cluster will likely make things more difficult. That being said, they could be something like the reapers, opting to do things the hard way since they want living specimens to add to their ranks. If they decide to write off a section of the galaxy, they may have harsher means of dealing with them that no one’s seen yet.
As for the rest of Andromeda, it’d be better if it was a matter of joining forces with other oppressed races out there that the kett haven’t fully subjugated yet.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 10, 2018 18:52:26 GMT
All you need is two and three Asari/strong human biotic per ship and they can deflect Kett missiles right back at them.
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Post by natetrace on Jan 10, 2018 23:47:49 GMT
I was thinking about this earlier. No. I do not think in the immediate aftermath of Andromeda that the MW races and Angara could defeat the Kett empire. How long do the Kett wait until Primus makes an attempt to retake the cluster? MW and the Angara would have to launch a stealth mission to the Kett homeworld. Kett numbers would be large and their forces entrenched. Plus they have their vassal races. Galaxy vs galaxy is different and in an era that isn't post reaper war (at least for a while) MW vs. Kett would be interesting, and then I feel the Kett would lose. Since this is just who arrived on the ark and the Angara, I don't think it's enough.
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Post by corsair on Jan 10, 2018 23:48:17 GMT
Yes, I think so, but first they have to build a large army and navy. The Initiative/Angara have the upper hand in this, because it will be a long time before the Kett Arks arrive at Heleus.
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Post by sil on Jan 11, 2018 0:13:41 GMT
Eventually, sure! But I think they will need to make more friends in Andromeda first. We don't know the true extent of the Kett Empire, it could be small on a galactic level, so it's hard to judge.
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Post by bshep on Jan 11, 2018 0:23:50 GMT
Initiative don't have the numbers for going on full scale war and from what the game show the Angara seem less advanced technologically than the Milky Way explorers.
They can try to defend the Heleus Cluster but they will indeed need to build a fleet of warships, planetery defenses etcetera.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Jan 11, 2018 0:29:36 GMT
Heleus cluster, maybe. They'd need allies for the rest of Andromeda though.
Most of the AI isn't military, they'd have to build that up to really have a shot.
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Post by cypherj on Jan 11, 2018 3:58:43 GMT
You have 200,000 - 250,000 people in the Initiative, not even subtracting exiles or people that have died. No way you have the numbers for war. If the Kett came in force, I doubt an Initiative/Angaran alliance would even hold the cluster. All of the AI aren't even soldiers, but even if they were. 250K troops aren't even enough to wage a full-scale war between two countries in the world today, let alone on a cluster-wide or galaxy-wide basis.
They don't even have the manpower to gather the resources and build a navy, or other military tech from scratch.
You'd lose on attrition alone, especially since your captured are going to be exalted and added to the enemy numbers.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 11, 2018 4:12:40 GMT
Do you think the Nexus Council can build a military fleet capable of defending the Heleus Cluster from future Kett invasions? Do you think the Nexus races and Angara could build enough strength to go to other clusters and eventually wipe out the Kett Empire? Given enough time pr5obably yes but would they get that time. Chances are likely no. I think the best the yca ndo for now is try to remain in control of Heleus long enough to establish themselves and build on that.
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Post by melbella on Jan 11, 2018 5:30:28 GMT
You have 200,000 - 250,000 people in the Initiative, not even subtracting exiles or people that have died.
Not even that many. Only 100K - 20K per ship (x4 = 80K) plus the Nexus plus however many on the lost quarian ark. How many died in the Scourge or due to kett attacks? How many did we kill or killed each other in the meantime? We might be down to 90K AI'ers by end of game, maybe even less.
Who knows what the angaran population is but it's certainly a lot smaller than the millions per planet they had pre-Scourge. And the only major starships are the arks....sans weapons. Everything else is a scout ship (Tempest) or shuttle. Also sans weapons.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 11, 2018 5:43:12 GMT
I think it would take a lot of work and a lot of time, especially without outside intervention but it is doable. The biggest problem is the Iniative only has about what...200,000 people? Maybe? And the Angarra population is likely limitedfrom constant warfare, we just do not know the Kett numbers to know what kind of force the Iniative can reasonably be expected to field in future engagements.
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Post by invisibleman on Jan 11, 2018 9:36:27 GMT
if you're talking a straight up fight across the entire andromeda galaxy, as things stand no. not even close to a snowball's chance in hell. however, thanks to the scourge that likely won't happen, not for a while. in this single cluster? not currently. the initiative is mostly civilians (as others have already noted), with a few ex-soldiers in there, according to lore most of the combat troops went rogue and left with the exiles, and we've likely already killed a lot of em by now. well, anyway... to compete with the kett militarily, the AI would have to build up fleets of warships, at this point they can barely make their planets self sufficient, let alone productive. so the infrastructure to support a large space faring military let alone building one from the ground up is just simply out of the initiative's reach.
if you're talking a carefully measured cluster-wide tactical campaign, asari style... that might just work; though there might not be an easy way to gather intel or execute recon ops. and that's how one would obtain the knowledge required to make a tactical war effective. the main problem is still the scourge, it makes a damn thick fog of war.
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Post by Ahriman on Jan 11, 2018 10:16:41 GMT
Economy can rely on automatic facilities to an extent, so at least raw resources wouldn't be much of a problem within a decade. Main choke point is manpower, we are talking about chances of Honolulu against interstellar empire. And a few decades AI has before next Kett assault won't be enough to fix it, unless Tann forgot to mention that he is a kryptonian now and can vat-grow hundreds of thousands per year. However Kett ships are total trash, a single cruiser of MW design could probably take Archon's flagship on it's own.
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Post by Element Zero on Jan 11, 2018 10:53:54 GMT
Economy can rely on automatic facilities to an extent, so at least raw resources wouldn't be much of a problem within a decade. Main choke point is manpower, we are talking about chances of Honolulu against interstellar empire. And a few decades AI has before next Kett assault won't be enough to fix it, unless Tann forgot to mention that he is a kryptonian now and can vat-grow hundreds of thousands per year. However Kett ships are total trash, a single cruiser of MW design could probably take Archon's flagship on it's own. I think it would take a lot of work and a lot of time, especially without outside intervention but it is doable. The biggest problem is the Iniative only has about what...200,000 people? Maybe? And the Angarra population is likely limitedfrom constant warfare, we just do not know the Kett numbers to know what kind of force the Iniative can reasonably be expected to field in future engagements. Four Arks 100 000 each + around the same on Nexus - kett/scourge casualties with Nexus being hit the most. So should be at least 250 000 and 400 000 at most, all things considered. Actually, the Arks only had 20K per vessel. The Nexus had a similar number. The Ai was a 100K venture. While that's certainly enough to establish many viable colonies, it's woefully inadequate if warfare is introduced. Add in the Uprising and crazies, and things become pretty bleak. I'm sure the Remnant tech was supposed to provide the needed advantages, but even that wouldn't work until the Scourge could be neutralized. It seems out remtech, making a bad situation worse. That's why the jardaan abandoned the cluster centuries ago. I would've liked to have seen how things would unfold. There is a lot of potential in the material, regardless of spotty execution in MEA.
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Post by Ahriman on Jan 11, 2018 11:27:35 GMT
Aye, totally goofed numbers here.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 11, 2018 11:42:11 GMT
Just let a fully levelled up god-like ryder take care of it.
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Post by clips7 on Jan 11, 2018 11:55:42 GMT
I think it's a numbers game...even with what seems like the MW characters have an advantage in overall strength and technology (i'm talking the Asari, The Salarians, Krogan and Turians...and the Human element)....we would dominate that sector if the numbers was in our favor, but the Kett homeworld and their numbers are still unknown and since this is their galaxy of origin, their numbers would eventually overwhelm the Initiative and their allies...
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Post by sil on Jan 11, 2018 12:25:23 GMT
I think it's a numbers game...even with what seems like the MW characters have an advantage in overall strength and technology (i'm talking the Asari, The Salarians, Krogan and Turians...and the Human element)....we would dominate that sector if the numbers was in our favor, but the Kett homeworld and their numbers are still unknown and since this is their galaxy of origin, their numbers would eventually overwhelm the Initiative and their allies... The time it takes for Kett vessels to travel between clusters is an advantage for the MW & Angara alliance, as it gives them time to build, restore, and also to adapt and use Remnant technology. But they definitely need to find more allies in nearby clusters (or even within the current one, who knows how many other sapient species exist still this cluster that have gone undetected, there are thousands of stars in a cluster) and find ways to break the 'indoctrination' of those forcibly turned into kett.
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Post by Ahriman on Jan 11, 2018 12:32:30 GMT
I think it's a numbers game...even with what seems like the MW characters have an advantage in overall strength and technology (i'm talking the Asari, The Salarians, Krogan and Turians...and the Human element)....we would dominate that sector if the numbers was in our favor, but the Kett homeworld and their numbers are still unknown and since this is their galaxy of origin, their numbers would eventually overwhelm the Initiative and their allies... there are thousands of stars in a cluster Eh?
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Post by Ahriman on Jan 11, 2018 13:18:48 GMT
You are at looking at astronomical definition, while Heleus is fictional construct.
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Post by LogicGunn on Jan 11, 2018 16:20:27 GMT
Currently? No.
The initiative is small but brings tech from another galaxy so bonus. The Angara are severely diminished but have the intel. They're gonna need more boots on the ground (i.e find more Andromeda races) and/or some kind of super-stealthy-sneak-spy takedown and/or control of the scourge.
But there's the potential for a beginning there.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 11, 2018 19:12:46 GMT
I do wonder how large the krogan colony on Elaaden would have grown in the span of, say, 20 years. Provided they have a steady birth rate, they’d see a proper population boost with new krogan most basically born for armed conflict from the start. Heck one krogan is basically several humans in a fight, more so if that krogan happens to be a biotic.
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