The Blanketfort (crying and throwing up) - The Official Solas Thread [Spoilers]

Well it all started out with a typo. See, someone meant to type "like" but it came out "lick" and it just went from there.

Actually I have no idea, I'm just making this up.

Was he? I just remember Conal unlocking and everyones like limit.

Solas? I see you lurking out there in the Fade. What’d the post mean (if it meant anything and you actually still remember). Share your plans, magic man!

A reply that leaves us with more questions than answers.  How very Solas-like!  

Shouldn't we just call Solas Threadad?

Or... the Thread Wolf!

Well, the reason would be the same as his first lie, to protect himself. We can only speculate on this case.



Those people were our futur self. We gave ourself the chance to change things.




It doesn't change anything, I wanted to point out that he wants to save the elves. "'the return of my people means the end of yours" seems pretty clear to me. "my people" --> Elves "Your people" --> Not Elves, "End" --> End.

When he talks to an elven Inq after "the dawn will come" song. He says "our people" and "it is ours". There's a difference between race and culture. I would'nt consider a chinese monk from 200 years ago one of "my people" but still, he was a human like I am. Solas has nothing in common with modern Elves, but they are from the same race, and he is responsible for their current state. He wants to saves his generation and modern elves as well. And I'm sure that the Elves across Thedas joined him.

literal destruction or not, Solas is pretty clear in trespasser, what's coming won't be good. "Burn in raw chaos" "End of your people" he says that even if you're a mage. He is the most dangerous thing around, he is old AF, and knows his way with words, he also knows what he's going to do, and warn you about that. The very fact that he is willing to sacrifice the current world condemn him to death. "I changed my mind " won't save him in my game.








They4ll never do a true "you failed, try again from the begining", because people will google their way to the good ending. That's the kind of "fail" I'm talking about.
At least, I would like to feel my choices.



Well he is willing to kill people to tear the veil. He may find that tragic, but he'll do it.
Does that excuse him murdering 3 people ? They didn't summon Wisdom to play, they were trying to survive.

We're diverging from original point. We weren't even speculating about his motive - the point was that Solas may have various different reasons why he doesn't say all to Inquisitor, other than 'he/she is probably not going to be there'.
So we can give ourselves a chance, while at the same time experience destruction? Because that's what happened with these future selves. And who knows if we won't experience something relatively similar sometime in a different future (if the story goes in certain directions it could go - which is not impossible, though I'm not necessarily talking about time-travel shenanigans).
Problem is that he also tells this to Dalish Inquisitor. If "his people" were just "elves" we'd hear a different dialogue. We didn't.

I also think it's interesting that he seems to be deliberately using word 'end' - because 'end' doesn't necessarily means 'die'.

In fact, do we even know what 'death' means to an immortal being? He says that he's walking din'anshiral and there's only death on this road, yet he tells Cole that he's going to be on that path forever.
Hang on - you use the same line of dialogue to argue pretty much the opposite to what you argued before. You said that 'your people' straightforwardly means 'not elves' - and now you're pretty much dismantling that notion, by trying to argue that he meant it in a context of distinction between race and culture, but still thinks that elves are his race, despite consistently making distinction between Inquisitor's people (elven one included) and his throughout all their exchanges in Trespasser, not just this one.
(Elven Inquisitors also ask 'we aren't even people to you?' - and if approval is low enough, Solas confirms, while if it's high enough - all races have status of people to Solas.)

So which is it? You can't have this cookie and eat it too. Either Solas means all modern Thedosians - modern elves included - will end, or by 'end' he may mean something different than annihilation/death.
I don't think anybody here argued that what is to come is going to be candies and rainbows. Solas is pretty adamant that whatever options he has left, he thinks they're all terrible. For whatever reason. But like you said - he is old AF and knows his way with words (more than that, he comes from culture that is basically built on symbols, layers and metaphors) - so why try and read his words verbatim, when we know that at least half of his dialogue is demonstrably spiked with double meaning or more? ...And why is he telling us his plan and allowing us to chase after him, when it'd make sense to let us die? Why does he tell us, multiple times, that the world may die, instead of will? Or why does he tell us that he's looking forward to being possibly wrong?

And why is his old friend, who have given up her power to him to continue his mission, yet who seems to care about this world in her way, also seems to encourage people to 'take a leap to learn if you can fly', as if the change she foresees coming is something we should not be afraid of?

There are too many questions there and too many possibilities that all of this leads to something not necessarily simple or expected.
Nothing I said above merits ridicule. If you've run out of counter-arguments, try not to pretend you have something.
Well, they won't do 'you failed, try again from the beginning', because if you sink 100 hours into a playthrough, chances are there'd be too many pissed off players. Some people were angry at BW when they failed to soften Leliana - and you can muck that up almost at the very start of the game. That's not to say that we won't have choices like that anymore. But making people fail their whole game after such-time sink seems like overkill.
There are times Bioware PCs are willing to kill or let people die if we deem it necessary too. And you have certainly expressed willingness to do so, given the way you characterized your Machiavellian DAI playthorugh. Sooooo... ?
It certainly puts his actions into a very different context compared to how you were attempting to frame them. Sorry, you can't do that. Whether it excuses him is a matter of perspective, but it is at worst a crime of passion and those are usually judged differently than cold-blooded murders.

Point is that we only see him do it once, and only after a severe blow: a loss of one of the oldest and few remaining friends he had left, to a terrible fate of being enslaved and twisted to act as someone's puppet protector, with all the knowledge it could share with the world lost and no remorse shown by perpetrators.

Nevermind that he only does that if we - sanctioned leaders with power to judge people - allow him to do so. Unlike Leliana, Solas always obeys. There's no world-state where he doesn't.

Also... he only kills those three mages if the Inquisitor tacitly approves of it. The Inquisitor can tell him not to do it, and he listens, and they live. Maybe if Solas had been alone he would have just killed them without any sort of permission from anyone, but we don't know that he would have. Last time I looked, you can't convict someone for thinking of murdering people. They have to actually do it to be charged with murder. 

I'm unsure we should be tying all Solas's travels with Archdemons.

Are any of his other travels tied with archdemons?

Not that I know of. It's also a journey that has likely happened long before he woke up - though we can't say sure when it was when Old Gods got buried, IF they were buried at any time during the existence of Elvenhan or elves.

Yes, but I don't think the place was infected by Blight when he traveled through it (given that it's like that since Second Blight, long after he fell asleep). Can't say if it had Archdemon bound underneath too.