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Post by midnight tea on Aug 4, 2019 19:44:18 GMT
Why would he want Inquisitor to disband Inquisition? B/c the Inquisitor would have fewer resources to stop him that way, in theory.
I don't think he cared one way or the other.
As we were informed in the game disbanding would mean less of a risk of being infiltrated by Solas's people. Both choices are implied to have future consequences. Anyway, I do agree that Solas didn't care what Inquisitor chose to do with Inquisition - what's important is that they're aware of his machinations and are in enough of a shape (...by not being exploded by the Qunari and with the South left alone in relative peace) to focus on him.
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Post by Delphine on Aug 5, 2019 21:57:52 GMT
I don't think for a second that Solas was manipulative to the point of making the Inquisitor disband the Inquisition either. What he has done, on the other hand, is make a solid case about how institutions tend to become corrupted as time goes by. A statement that I fully agreed with, way before I knew anything about his long-term plans, solely for the fact that it just tends to be true, and has happened times and times again.
As such, I personally never wanted to keep the Inquisition running as long as the main job I had to do with it was done. I'll probably always decide to disband the Inquisition, cause that's just aligning with my social/political/philosophical views, and I don't think keeping it up is justified at the end of the game. As long as I still have Leliana, Cassandra, Cullen and the companions by my side, ready to help me should I ever need help, that's all I care for. Especially if I have to hunt Solas down and try to save him from himself, I'd honestly prefer my operations to be on the down-low, and not done as Inquisitor, with all eyes on me.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 6, 2019 13:09:33 GMT
My Inquisitor wanted to keep the Inquisition running, because she thought she could use it to make the world better. But with the threat of Solas' plan and the presence of his spies, she had no other choice but to disband.
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Post by xerrai on Aug 11, 2019 17:35:00 GMT
Hmmm... you know what I find funny, all those years after Trespasser? We have Solas beating himself for the mistake of creating the Veil and quite a few people willing to write him down as stupid or evil for doing so... while I think his redemption arc has a high chance of being us convincing Solas that he didn't actually make a mistake here True, like whether or not the "gift" of Elven immortality is really something worth reclaiming?
Solas and the Dalish might believe so, but the lore tells us a very different story. We often hear of Elders entering Uthenera with the intention of never waking up again, suggesting that some Ancient Elves viewed eternal life as more of a curse than a gift.
What is the point of immortality if it means spending eternity dying from utter boredom? I think this was actually discussed by the Dalish after Zathrian's death in DAO. And what they more or less came up with is not that 'immortality is bad' its that 'immortality is bad when you have no one to share it with'. Which is more or less the same issue that we see adressed with media with vampires, werewolves and other supernatural immortals who are like "sure I live forever but it sucks when I see my loved ones die of age". But half the time we see these immortals mitigate that sorrow by only surrounding themselves with people of thier own kind. I mean, in a community of immortals, is there any real reason to willingly choose mortality? Unless you believe in some sort of afterlife, then the only other conclusion a person can come up with growing old/dying is that they cease to exist. Or thier energy becomes part of the earth or something like that. But you still cease to exist as you. And isn't existence--however sorrowful--still better than dying? Varric seems to think so, if his "man on an island" dialogue with Solas is any indication. And if uthenera is really that bad for the oldest of the elves...well then...morbid as it is, no one is stopping them from dying by thier own hands. And I think it is very telling that several choose that long sleep than death. Sure eternal life may not be easy (especially so if you are the only one), but it is likely a lot better than not-existing. Although again, this only applies on if you believe in no afterlife. Or you believe not-existing is better than existing.
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Post by Solas on Aug 13, 2019 11:33:13 GMT
this art is by mosh-da on tumblr ( ->> link <--) and it is everything to me???? holy crap
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Post by Elessara on Aug 13, 2019 11:48:11 GMT
this art is by mosh-da on tumblr ( ->> link <--) and it is everything to me???? holy crap I have to admit when I first opened that spoiler tag my very first thought was, "Is that an elvanized Varric?" .. and then I saw the lack of an arm.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 13, 2019 13:32:17 GMT
Nice art! Cool idea for sword and board Inquisitors, but my double daggers rogue is still struggling with how to safely fight with only one arm. Also, I really hope there will be a way to change the Dread Wolf's heart without having to kill him or be killed.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 13, 2019 18:24:06 GMT
Hmmm... you know what I find funny, all those years after Trespasser? We have Solas beating himself for the mistake of creating the Veil and quite a few people willing to write him down as stupid or evil for doing so... while I think his redemption arc has a high chance of being us convincing Solas that he didn't actually make a mistake here True, like whether or not the "gift" of Elven immortality is really something worth reclaiming?
Solas and the Dalish might believe so, but the lore tells us a very different story. We often hear of Elders entering Uthenera with the intention of never waking up again, suggesting that some Ancient Elves viewed eternal life as more of a curse than a gift.
What is the point of immortality if it means spending eternity dying from utter boredom? They get to accomplish things they never could within a regular lifespan.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 13, 2019 23:24:38 GMT
Nice art! Cool idea for sword and board Inquisitors, but my double daggers rogue is still struggling with how to safely fight with only one arm.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 15, 2019 13:51:10 GMT
If DA4 says my Dalish mage can't fight, I won't believe it. They don't need both hands to use magic.
On a second note, I really hope Solas will have the decency to explain his plan to these modern elves flocking to his banner.
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Post by Sifr on Aug 16, 2019 1:49:27 GMT
Who says mages need to use staves anyway? We know from Origins that wands exist.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 16, 2019 2:37:27 GMT
Solas can apparently kill you with his brain.
As an aside, do you suppose there is any way to turn stone back to flesh in the Thedas universe?
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Post by xerrai on Aug 16, 2019 4:17:41 GMT
Solas can apparently kill you with his brain. As an aside, do you suppose there is any way to turn stone back to flesh in the Thedas universe? Definitely. While the skill will be difficult to learn, we see mages turn thier bodies into unnatural shapes all the time in this setting (shapeshifters) and we know they can turn back into regular bodies. Magic can generate matter out of not-matter and can easily change the form of either the mage or other people (ex. Zinovia). Hell, I wouldn't even put it beyond the realm of possibility that a genuine stone statue could be turned into a genuine artificial human if a mage had the knowledge and right components. They would basically be more advanced golems. It wouldn't be easy (and not within the realm of possibility for modern mages), but I think it would be possible. But in all seriousness, if you take the petrify spell description as canon in the setting (which specifically says "The caster draws from knowledge of the elements to turn the target into stone"), then we technically see people turn into stone and back again all the time in DAO. Even if the spell is only temporary. So in the strictest sense I think yes, stone can be turned back into flesh. But I am assuming you are asking more in the context of Solas's petrification of the qunari. In which case a better question would be: "Is it possible to revert the victims of Solas's advanced petrification spell into thier original selves?". In which case I would say "Probably. Depends on the circumstances". Because while I believe (re)turning-stone-into-flesh is possible, I think there would be other factors at play as to whether or not a person would make a full recovery. For instance, say a stoneified person is indeed turned back into flesh. Well is that person still be alive? I can see a statue like Zinovia potentially becoming a full person again, but for the others? If they are not reached in a short span of time, or thier soul do not remain bound to thier body, then they are probably dead in every sense of the word--even if you do turn them back into flesh. Or possibly reduced to gibbering meat husk with the mind of newborn.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 16, 2019 12:01:32 GMT
Those pirates in the MoTA DLC were turned into stone and you could change them back.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 16, 2019 19:28:07 GMT
I think we have to keep in mind that we don't really know whether petrification by this spell equals petrification by another spell. The result may be similar only on the surface.
For example, we could talk with MOTA pirates or Eleni Zinovia - while the Qunari turned to stone in Trespasser don't appear to do that. That's not to say that they can't be de-petrified, but maybe because they've been affected by Special Evanuris Magic (TM) the only way to de-petrify them is to use Special Evanuris Magic (TM) again.
Anyway, my crackpot hypothesis about what Solas did is that he technically didn't turn them into stone - I think he might have evaporated or severed person's spirit from their body, and all that remains is a physical shell returned to its basic component, more precisely - the stone... or perhaps even the Stone.
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Post by Elessara on Aug 17, 2019 2:22:42 GMT
Solas can apparently kill you with his brain. As an aside, do you suppose there is any way to turn stone back to flesh in the Thedas universe? Probably. The real question is: If someone gets turned into stone and then turned back into flesh, will they be alive or did being turned into stone kill them in the first place?
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 17, 2019 3:06:33 GMT
The way that he was written was very poor. It's like they're running out of ideas so they decide to make Solas another Corypheus 2.0. That is very lazy if you ask me.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 17, 2019 3:24:15 GMT
The way that he was written was very poor. It's like they're running out of ideas so they decide to make Solas another Corypheus 2.0. That is very lazy if you ask me. I think people have already pointed this out to you, but Solas' story is not finished yet. We don't know that he's Corypheus 2.0. Possibly he is, yes, but possibly there are still surprises in store for us. So... I think it's very premature to say "They're running out of ideas" or "They're lazy." Wait until the story is finished before making those judgment calls.
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Post by Sifr on Aug 17, 2019 3:38:59 GMT
Anyway, my crackpot hypothesis about what Solas did is that he technically didn't turn them into stone - I think he might have evaporated or severed person's spirit from their body, and all that remains is a physical shell returned to its basic component, more precisely - the stone... or perhaps even the Stone. Yavana did something similar to this in The Silent Grove, binding someone's spirit into their own corpse in order to torture them for information. May even be what she did to Xenon the Antiquarian, making him "immortal" by binding his spirit inside his body, so that it remained there even after it had reduced to a "living" corpse?
Binding spirits into corpses/stone might very well be a type of Evanuris magic she was taught by Flemeth. My guess is that it was something that Yavana learned after going through the ritual that Morrigan was meant to undergo in Origins, but mistook as an attempt at possession.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 17, 2019 21:28:39 GMT
You know... people say that they wish we had stuff like kissy scene with Solas. But you know what scene I wish we've had? Anyone who worked with paints could relate to that
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Post by Sifr on Aug 18, 2019 6:08:57 GMT
Hands up anyone else who pictured Solas with Bob Ross' afro?
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 18, 2019 19:50:56 GMT
Hands up anyone else who pictured Solas with Bob Ross' afro? Well, he did paint at least one happy little tree on the mural ... Now the tree needs a friend ;P
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 18, 2019 21:15:16 GMT
AO3 won the Hugo award for best related work! All the Solavellan fanfic writers are Hugo award winners! Interestingly, Dragon Age fanfic is one of the top five AO3 categories for fandoms based on "Books and Literature" as well as fandoms based on "Video Games."
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Post by Elessara on Aug 18, 2019 21:57:10 GMT
AO3 won the Hugo award for best related work! All the Solavellan fanfic writers are Hugo award winners! Interestingly, Dragon Age fanfic is one of the top five AO3 categories for fandoms based on "Books and Literature" as well as fandoms based on "Video Games." Even as someone who doesn't read fanfic I think that's pretty cool. Grats to the writers!
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 18, 2019 23:57:02 GMT
AO3 won the Hugo award for best related work! All the Solavellan fanfic writers are Hugo award winners! Interestingly, Dragon Age fanfic is one of the top five AO3 categories for fandoms based on "Books and Literature" as well as fandoms based on "Video Games." Even as someone who doesn't read fanfic I think that's pretty cool. Grats to the writers! To be fair, it's a lot more complicated than that, really. I do have some (non-DA so far) stuff posted there, but I'm not about to start putting "Hugo Award Winner" on a resume (or profile) anywhere. The AO3 reps who accepted the award on behalf of the site did invite any fanfic writers in the audience at the ceremony to stand up as co-winners of the Hugo Award. But the award is really for the website/community as a whole. Now, if I ever wrote an original novel or short story that was nominated for and won a Hugo Award, I'd definitely put THAT on my resume (and maybe on my profiles). ;D
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