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Post by Shari'El on Jun 30, 2020 13:12:15 GMT
...In fact it could have been an invention of Solas and his rebels to hide stashes of weapons and other useful items where only their allies could find them. That's a cool idea!
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Post by wildenight on Jul 10, 2020 19:11:09 GMT
When you're going through a replay and your screenshot macro captures the moment Solas can't compute the complicated feelings caused by the Fade Kiss and his feral nature peeks through before responding.
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Post by Garnet on Jul 11, 2020 6:00:26 GMT
Hi everyone! Still patiently waiting for more news of DA4! I've started reading Tevinter Nights and it made me start a new pt of all three DA games. Playing the long game to getting my heart ripped out again. ANYWAy, I found this interesting interpretation of The Inquisitor's theme VS Solas's theme and what it means from a musical point of view. here it is!
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Post by Shari'El on Jul 13, 2020 18:43:25 GMT
Hi everyone! Still patiently waiting for more news of DA4! I've started reading Tevinter Nights and it made me start a new pt of all three DA games. Playing the long game to getting my heart ripped out again. ANYWAy, I found this interesting interpretation of The Inquisitor's theme VS Solas's theme and what it means from a musical point of view. here it is!I remember you, Garnet! I went through the same thing, I'm in the middle of DAO, can't wait for my Lavellan's heart to be re-stomped! Enjoy the ride! And here's to an XBOX event DA4 announcement🤞
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jul 13, 2020 22:23:22 GMT
Hi everyone! Still patiently waiting for more news of DA4! I've started reading Tevinter Nights and it made me start a new pt of all three DA games. Playing the long game to getting my heart ripped out again. ANYWAy, I found this interesting interpretation of The Inquisitor's theme VS Solas's theme and what it means from a musical point of view. here it is!Link isn't working for me.
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Post by Garnet on Jul 15, 2020 6:21:34 GMT
Link isn't working for me. ohnooo! It was a tumblr post I ran across and wanted to share, so here is just the text of it: corseque:
music theory people please explain why Solas’ music sounds heroic. It sounds exactly like some grand hero’s song that’s turned sad, it doesn’t sound like it’s naturally sad. I feel like there’s a version of it with different chords that would sound as adventurous as the Inquisitor’s theme. I know in my bones his theme is related to the Inquisitor’s theme musically, but I want to know more
another-rogue-trevelyan:
Alright buckle up everybody because I spent $30,000 on this music degree and it’s my time to shine
Let’s start with the Inquisitor’s theme. First and foremost, it is in a major key. Major keys have a bright, happy sound to them. It begins slowly, with a feeling that it is out of time (no pulse, or beat). This is a sensation used by composers to build suspense, but also to ease you into something more dramatic.The chords and pitches grow dissonant and higher as we lead into the A theme (first “section,” if you will). The piece comes off a highly dissonant chord into loud, intense percussion, using large, deeply pitched drums. These drum beats get rhythmically faster. I would argue that this is still the exposition, and we have still not reached the A theme. However, we have now set the tempo and meter. While it is rhythmically fast, the tempo is actually moderate. The meter is what’s important - this piece is a march (2 beats per measure). Marches automatically give a militaristic feel, and are associated with parades, heroes, battles, etc. When we finally reach the A theme, the music soars with large leaps between pitches, and the chosen instrumentation (full symphonic orchestra, by the sound of it) really fills out the chords. The driving drums and strings are ever-present, and the choir provides a feeling of mysticism and drama, a staple in fantasy compositions due to being reminiscent of it’s chant-like origins. In summary, Inquisitor’s theme is suspenseful, grandiose, driving, and features an interesting juxtaposition of an expansive, beautiful melody and a militaristic undertone. Overall, very adventurous!
Solas, on the other hand, has a clearly different sound. This also begins slowly, but this time in a minor key, which is often associated with a darker, more somber sound. However, this is immediately paired with a bright, percussive instrument (I’m not sure exactly what it is, but it’s clearly barred, similar to a metallophone, or likely the bells, its orchestral cousin). The upper strings are holding long, high pitched (suspenseful!) notes, while the lower strings contrast with a moving line. The most interesting thing I hear in this part is the percussion - please listen to this carefully, it’s actually really awesome! The percussion in the beginning has this repeated motif of pitches that are, in general, descending. The repetition of this motif is intended to create a dreamlike effect, like falling asleep or a hypnotic trance. This is perfect for Solas and his connection to dreams and the fade! Well done, Bioware music team!
Solas’s theme builds, but the dynamics (changes in volume) never get very loud. There are changes, but they remain in the very soft to moderately soft range for most of the beginning of the piece. Mostly, pitch is used to heighten the sense of drama, reaching dramatic highs. This gives an “under the surface” effect to the music, in my opinion. Basically, if inner turmoil had a sound, this is it. I hypothesize that the Inquisitor’s theme sounds how the world perceives them, and Solas’s theme sounds like his swirling inner thoughts and internal conflict. The meter of this theme is 4/4, common time, which is the most used meter in western music and does not have the same drive as the march.
In what feels like a sudden change, there is a sudden intrusion of loud low brass, the volume increases drastically, and that dreamlike percussion theme is now louder, more frantic. Uh oh, something’s wrong! Solas has a huge inner conflict here! The Inquisitor is dying, time is running out, he misses his friend/lover so much but he has to go. In addition, this can reflect the climax from the Inquisitor’s perspective, who has found him. The Inquisitor is coming for Solas and demanding answers, is fighting through the pain, is determined to stop Solas. This part of the music is literally screaming CONFLICT, and also TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
Interestingly, there is also a return of the lower strings after this big loud section, mostly on their own, and much quieter. This, to me, is reminiscent of a love theme, though it sounds sad. This also builds with the strings, but still screams love theme to me. Strings are very romantic instruments, and big sweeping lines scream love - see James Horner’s “Titanic Suite” for a great example. This is a punch directly to the gut for maximum feels.
In summary, Solas’s theme, much like his romance, is designed to be emotional and rip your heart out and stomp on it. It’s all about inner conflicts, duty, love, compassion, fear, danger, sadness. It has hints of all of the conflicts of the hero - duty, love, fear, danger. Does the Inquisitor not experience all of the same things? This piece is centered on Solas, he is the hero of this piece of music, but a hero that’s at their breaking point. This theme isn’t designed to introduce you to Solas, it’s designed to make you understand him. I feel the Inquisitor’s theme is an introduction, or a recount of their amazing deeds, much like a plaque at the Winter Palace - beautiful, interesting, but not very deep. To make Solas’s sound more heroic (which the Inquisitor’s theme does, due to the reasons listed above), one would have to change the key to major, remove some dissonance, use longer phrases, and build sooner. Also, I find this percussion motif to be very anxious sounding, but a change to major could fix that. An adjustment to a march, while unnecessary, would likely also give more of a “hero” feel. As a final thought, this theme does not scream “villain” to me - rather very desperate and emotional. As it is, the piece is designed to bring about an emotional response, and I’d say it succeeds.
Thank you for indulging my love of both dragon age and music theory!
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 15, 2020 8:07:52 GMT
In summary, Solas’s theme, much like his romance, is designed to be emotional and rip your heart out and stomp on it. It’s all about inner conflicts, duty, love, compassion, fear, danger, sadness I so agree with this analysis of the Solas theme. It is particularly noticeable during the final scene with a romanced Inquisitor in Trespasser. Mind you I feel the music has been amazing throughout all three games; it is one of the things I love about the series.
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Post by Julilla on Jul 15, 2020 18:21:24 GMT
Thanks, Garnet, that was a great read!
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Post by Iddy on Jul 17, 2020 19:37:03 GMT
Did I have a comment removed? I could swear I posted here yesterday. Or did I only think about doing it?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2020 20:22:40 GMT
And here's to an XBOX event DA4 announcement🤞 It won't happen. The Xbox event next week is only for first-party games, or games developed by their companies. DA4 isn't developed by Microsoft's studios.
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Post by Shari'El on Jul 17, 2020 20:55:13 GMT
And here's to an XBOX event DA4 announcement🤞 It won't happen. The Xbox event next week is only for first-party games, or games developed by their companies. DA4 isn't developed by Microsoft's studios. There'll be at least 60 new games demos (which is way way too many to be all first-party games), and some of the games that were revealed to be on that list are not first-party, at least as far as I saw.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2020 21:38:44 GMT
It won't happen. The Xbox event next week is only for first-party games, or games developed by their companies. DA4 isn't developed by Microsoft's studios. There'll be at least 60 new games demos (which is way way too many to be all first-party games), and some of the games that were revealed to be on that list are not first-party, at least as far as I saw. Do you have a link? Considering the event is only an hour, and some games like Halo: Infinite are getting a good share of it, I don’t see how they can have at least 60 new games there. Unless a couple minutes is just a montage of games.
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Post by Elessara on Jul 17, 2020 22:56:28 GMT
Did I have a comment removed? I could swear I posted here yesterday. Or did I only think about doing it? I check the thread pretty much daily and I don't recall seeing a comment by you, sorry. I also seriously doubt you'd post anything that would warrant a removal. You probably intended to post a comment and forgot to do so. I do crap like that all the time.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jul 18, 2020 3:46:14 GMT
You're gettin' old, Iddy. Also, anyone got a link for the x-biox event? I don't own one, but its worth it to see future PC titles.
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Post by Iddy on Jul 18, 2020 6:10:59 GMT
You're gettin' old, Iddy. Also, anyone got a link for the x-biox event? I don't own one, but its worth it to see future PC titles. Don't remind me D:
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 18, 2020 22:47:33 GMT
Hi Solas lovers. Someone on the DAI Modding Discord mentioned this, so I thought I'd share. I know I'd be immediately interested if it were Dorian's VA, or male Brit Inquisitor. Apparently Gareth David-Lloyd read some Lovecraft, to which you can listen on Spotify. Enjoy! [edit] Woops forgot to ask. Can anyone point me to some fics, or even specific chapters -- I don't intend to read full fics -- where you think the writer nailed Solas's voice? I'm especially interested in any fade/dream discussion. I write Trev/Dorian, and primarily focus on the two of them, but one with Solas, which contains a fade scene, is the most dialogue I have with a guest star other character. I hear Solas in my head when I read it, but that doesn't mean much for someone who isn't a huge fan of the character.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jul 18, 2020 23:12:33 GMT
Hi Solas lovers. Someone on the DAI Modding Discord mentioned this, so I thought I'd share. I know I'd be immediately interested if it were Dorian's VA, or male Brit Inquisitor. Apparently Gareth David-Lloyd read some Lovecraft, to which you can listen on Spotify. Enjoy! [edit] Woops forgot to ask. Can anyone point me to some fics, or even specific chapters -- I don't intend to read full fics -- where you think the writer nailed Solas's voice? I'm especially interested in any fade/dream discussion. I write Trev/Dorian, and primarily focus on the two of them, but one with Solas, which contains a fade scene, is the most dialogue I have with a guest star other character. I hear Solas in my head when I read it, but that doesn't mean much for someone who isn't a huge fan of the character. Ah, yes. These are nice. I remember listening to them a while back. As for fics, I don't read a whole lot of them, but I do remember geeky-jez capturing his voice quite well. Check out her stuff HERE.
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Post by Shari'El on Jul 19, 2020 11:52:27 GMT
There'll be at least 60 new games demos (which is way way too many to be all first-party games), and some of the games that were revealed to be on that list are not first-party, at least as far as I saw. Do you have a link? Considering the event is only an hour, and some games like Halo: Infinite are getting a good share of it, I don’t see how they can have at least 60 new games there. Unless a couple minutes is just a montage of games. news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/07/01/summer-game-fest-demo-event-xbox/
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 27, 2020 9:29:25 GMT
I've been re-reading the extracts from the Chant of Light that were not included in World of Thedas 2, although it does refer to them. One short passage is quoted from the Canticle of Erudition, which is known to have not been spoken by Andraste but written by Hessarian after his conversion. Therefore it can be considered doubtful whether he got his information from the Maker at all and was just reworking the earlier words of Andraste. Now she claims that demons came into being out of envy for the living world and since the Maker had set it apart from the spirits, the implication this was from across the Veil, which would also imply it had always existed (which Solas says is not true since he created the Veil). However, Hessarian is more explicit:
The first of the Maker's children watched across the Veil And grew jealous of the life They could not feel, could not touch. In blackest envy were the demons born.
So according to Hessaraian (and Andraste too in a way) demons only came into being because of the Veil. Knowing how Solas feels about spirits, if this is true then it is not just the elves he feels guilty about.
Now he says the fear/nightmare demon is expressing the most primitive of emotions so the assumption would be it must have been around from the beginning of sentient life but if the Veil changed the nature of spirits generally, then that may not have been the case. Before the Veil spirits didn't need to feed off emotions to get an experience of the Waking World because they could simply cross over from the Fade to do so personally. It was only once the Veil blocked their passage that they had no way other than making contact with the minds of the beings on the other side. As the spirit says in the memory in the Vir Dirthara, some spirits had never felt the inclination to do so but those that did could freely interact with the Unchanging World unless forbidden from doing so by the Evanuris. However, even if banished by them, they could still make their way back but simply had to be more careful about avoiding the notice of the Evanuris.
So what do you think? Is Solas hoping that if he restores the world of the elves, the spirits/demons will be changed back too?
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jul 27, 2020 14:00:14 GMT
So what do you think? Is Solas hoping that if he restores the world of the elves, the spirits/demons will be changed back too? I definitely think so. I feel pretty sure that he includes them in "The People / My People."
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Post by Julilla on Jul 27, 2020 16:16:19 GMT
I think he hopes that the demons would be turned back to spirits. Will they want to, though? Will they have a choice? Did the Veil give them free choice which they otherwise wouldn't have?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 27, 2020 18:37:01 GMT
Did the Veil give them free choice which they otherwise wouldn't have? If anything I'd say it was the opposite. Without the Veil spirits would have much greater freedom of thought and action, rather than being defined by the emotions they identify with and being automatically drawn to them. Solas basically says that the only real difference between a spirit and a demon is that the latter has been perverted by the negative emotion it has latched on to. Anders says the same about Justice and how he realised it was his desire for vengeance that altered Justice rather than the other way round. So if removing the Veil means the spirits are no longer governed by other being's emotions, then there will be no distinction between them; they will all be spirits. However, that did not appear to be the case in the dark future. The world had merged with the Fade and demons were roaming freely but there was no sign of any benign spirits. Which is why I thought it important to know if Solas was hoping to change spirits for the better by removing the Veil because it may not be as simple as that. He didn't anticipate the negative effects of raising the Veil, although it is possible he would have gone through with it anyway since he said every alternative was worse. So may be there would be side-effects to removing the Veil that he hasn't anticipated either and will be unhappy when they occur. I've often wondered if that was why he disapproves if you say it was not some trick of the Fade because he wants to believe that is the case bearing in mind how horrific our experience of the future was without the Veil. Meanwhile the future Solas was only too happy to sacrifice himself to give Dorian time to send you back to the past because the world he was in was definitely not the one he wanted.
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Post by Julilla on Jul 28, 2020 17:57:19 GMT
It will be interesting to find out more about what would happen to demons if the veil is lifted. I'm not so sure they would revert back to being spirits.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 28, 2020 18:21:07 GMT
I'm not so sure they would revert back to being spirits. I don't think so either but it is possible Solas thinks they will.
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Post by Elessara on Jul 28, 2020 22:31:30 GMT
It will be interesting to find out more about what would happen to demons if the veil is lifted. I'm not so sure they would revert back to being spirits. Doesn't Solas basically say that spirits and demons are the same thing? So there wouldn't really be anything to change back to. I've mostly understood Solas to be saying that the words "spirit" and "demon" are just arbitrary terminology created by humans. Basically "spirits" embody what could be considered good or positive concepts while "demons" embody bad or negative concepts but in essence they are the same. A spirit can be twisted from its original manifestation (wisdom can become pride) but the being itself is still a spirit. Now, without the Veil I think there might actually be fewer spirits possessing people because spirits will have direct access to the physical world so they won't have to possess a body to experience it.
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