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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 2, 2020 21:08:50 GMT
Hmmm...black leather suits him, I agree.
I agree, there was a black coloured armour in DAI that he looked great in and I tried to keep to that when I did my custom crafting but I seem to recall that black was quite difficult to achieve for the whole look. Anyway, his current look is way better than anything I put on him. He needs to keep it from now on.
Do you suppose that anyone who has not known him as the humble hobo is not going to be scared shitless by being confronted by him?
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 2, 2020 22:13:38 GMT
Hmmm...black leather suits him, I agree.
I agree, there was a black coloured armour in DAI that he looked great in and I tried to keep to that when I did my custom crafting but I seem to recall that black was quite difficult to achieve for the whole look. Anyway, his current look is way better than anything I put on him. He needs to keep it from now on.
Do you suppose that anyone who has not known him as the humble hobo is not going to be scared shitless by being confronted by him? I mean, he is looking deliciously ruthless. I'd be turned on terrified.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 2, 2020 23:41:46 GMT
Hmmm...black leather suits him, I agree.
I agree, there was a black coloured armour in DAI that he looked great in and I tried to keep to that when I did my custom crafting but I seem to recall that black was quite difficult to achieve for the whole look. Anyway, his current look is way better than anything I put on him. He needs to keep it from now on.
Do you suppose that anyone who has not known him as the humble hobo is not going to be scared shitless by being confronted by him? I just... I can't wait for Dorian's reaction. There has to be a comment. Has to. Its required.
And yes, everyone who wasn't part of the inner circle is gonna be scared of him. Meanwhile, I as the player am just gonna be like "That guy sets his coattails on fire on a semi-regular basis. Bet he changes that cloak a lot."
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 3, 2020 0:02:53 GMT
I agree, there was a black coloured armour in DAI that he looked great in and I tried to keep to that when I did my custom crafting but I seem to recall that black was quite difficult to achieve for the whole look. Anyway, his current look is way better than anything I put on him. He needs to keep it from now on.
Do you suppose that anyone who has not known him as the humble hobo is not going to be scared shitless by being confronted by him? I just... I can't wait for Dorian's reaction. There has to be a comment. Has to. Its required.
And yes, everyone who wasn't part of the inner circle is gonna be scared of him. Meanwhile, I as the player am just gonna be like "That guy sets his coattails on fire on a semi-regular basis. Bet he changes that cloak a lot."
I also want to see Viv's reaction. And I'm convinced that coat tail thing was just part of his ruse. No way someone who has literally been practicing magic for millennia accidentally sets himself on fire.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 3, 2020 0:27:00 GMT
I just... I can't wait for Dorian's reaction. There has to be a comment. Has to. Its required.
And yes, everyone who wasn't part of the inner circle is gonna be scared of him. Meanwhile, I as the player am just gonna be like "That guy sets his coattails on fire on a semi-regular basis. Bet he changes that cloak a lot."
I also want to see Viv's reaction. And I'm convinced that coat tail thing was just part of his ruse. No way someone who has literally been practicing magic for millennia accidentally sets himself on fire. Eh, I dunno. I prefer to think it was accidental. Even masters mess up sometimes.
Also, I see you altered your sig. lol
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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 3, 2020 1:00:18 GMT
Also, I see you altered your sig. lol I'm more... concerned by her Lavellan's makeover. Creepy glowing eyes, everything blacker than the Solas image... surely means business. Spirit-blue & grey-black vs. fiery orange and pitch-black. *poke* Where's the big screenshot for the appropriate thread?
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 3, 2020 1:08:54 GMT
Hmmm...black leather suits him, I agree. Still can't get a good look at that badge, though. The brooch on his cloak looks to me just to be the same design as inner part of the chest bosses on the ancient elven armour: I had to make some for my Fen'Harel cosplay, so I had to study them pretty closely. ETA: My 3D rendition of them using worbla:
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 3, 2020 1:14:48 GMT
Also, I see you altered your sig. lol I'm more... concerned by her Lavellan's makeover. Creepy glowing eyes, everything blacker than the Solas image... surely means business. Spirit-blue & grey-black vs. fiery orange and pitch-black. *poke* Where's the big screenshot for the appropriate thread? Hehehe. Solas once told her he didn't want her to see what he becomes. He should be more concerned with what she becomes. She can't have him going around thinking he's the only game in town. Edit: Full size image is up!
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 3, 2020 1:27:59 GMT
Hmmm...black leather suits him, I agree. Still can't get a good look at that badge, though. The brooch on his cloak looks to me just to be the same design as inner part of the chest bosses on the ancient elven armour: I had to make some for my Fen'Harel cosplay, so I had to study them pretty closely. ETA: My 3D rendition of them using worbla: It does look pretty similar. Nice Catch! And I'm in love with that cloak! Very nicely done.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 3, 2020 1:56:56 GMT
OhDaniGirl thanks! I won a cosplay contest with the entire cosplay, which was pretty neat since it was the first cosplay I'd ever done. I recorded my work process on my Tumblr if you're interested to see how I made the Dread Wolf headdress.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 3, 2020 2:14:28 GMT
OhDaniGirl thanks! I won a cosplay contest with the entire cosplay, which was pretty neat since it was the first cosplay I'd ever done. I recorded my work process on my Tumblr if you're interested to see how I made the Dread Wolf headdress. OMG, this is amazing! Such attention to detail! It's no surprise you won. And I remember the devs tweeting about that little Dread Wolf plushie! So adorable.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 3, 2020 3:41:39 GMT
Thanks for all the likes.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Sept 4, 2020 18:12:43 GMT
I've never heard the full version. It is so beautiful1 And now I'm so reminiscent of the solavellan feels
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 11, 2020 12:20:50 GMT
I found this video posted on You Tube and I have to admit it hadn't occurred to me before that the reason he doesn't reveal more than he does is because he is afraid the knowledge will corrupt you as it corrupted the Evanuris. She mentions a game file where it says that when he collapsed the Deep Roads cavern he never wanted anyone else to find out what the Evanuris had done. She puts forward the theory this is not to protect their reputation, or simply prevent whatever it is from escaping, but should that knowledge come to light, history could repeat itself. Which is why she says that it is noticeable if you take Solas with you in the Descent he says nothing about what you encounter in any meaningful way, yet quite clearly from this room in Trespasser (and the earlier text from the Temple of Mythal if you drink from the Well) it is obvious that he must know about the titans and what went on between them and the Evanuris. Presumably it is also why he doesn't say more about the origins of the blight when he clearly knows something. No matter how much he respects you or even loves you, the knowledge is too dangerous for him to reveal and this is done out of a desire to protect you from it.
I have to admit that it's an interesting theory.
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Post by Julilla on Sept 11, 2020 19:30:00 GMT
I think it's a good point. Whatever we think we know about something that happened with the Titans and Evanuris, we have no real confirmation of. Solas pointedly does not tell us anything about it. It is very likely that we will learn more than we thought we would when it comes out.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 11, 2020 22:59:33 GMT
I found this video posted on You Tube and I have to admit it hadn't occurred to me before that the reason he doesn't reveal more than he does is because he is afraid the knowledge will corrupt you as it corrupted the Evanuris. She mentions a game file where it says that when he collapsed the Deep Roads cavern he never wanted anyone else to find out what the Evanuris had done. She puts forward the theory this is not to protect their reputation, or simply prevent whatever it is from escaping, but should that knowledge come to light, history could repeat itself. Which is why she says that it is noticeable if you take Solas with you in the Descent he says nothing about what you encounter in any meaningful way, yet quite clearly from this room in Trespasser (and the earlier text from the Temple of Mythal if you drink from the Well) it is obvious that he must know about the titans and what went on between them and the Evanuris. Presumably it is also why he doesn't say more about the origins of the blight when he clearly knows something. No matter how much he respects you or even loves you, the knowledge is too dangerous for him to reveal and this is done out of a desire to protect you from it.
I have to admit that it's an interesting theory. Certainly goes along with his trust issues. Not that he necessarily doesn't trust us specifically, but that people in the past that he thought understood ended up letting him down and crossing lines he didn't think they'd cross. And he knew them a lot longer than he's known us. Once bitten, twice shy.
So him avoiding it out of a desire to make sure we aren't even tempted to go down that path makes sense. Better safe than sorry, from his perspective.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 12, 2020 1:43:25 GMT
This is why I really have trouble understanding the people who think Solas is just flat out evil and must be destroyed ASAP. There is so much we don't know about him, about the past, about what actually happened with the Evanuris, the titans, and everything. It's also why I'm really curious about what he'll be like in DA4.
He might be planning to take the secret to his grave, since he mentioned he's walking the din'an shiral, but... I'm not sure how certain anyone can be that no one else in Thedas will ever stumble across what the Evanuris stumbled across and end up repeating history even if Solas tells no one about what happened long ago. Anyway, we can't expect him to become an eternal guardian as that would be a very lonely path for him to walk, and I'm not sure if he's even immortal anymore. He might be quickening now that he's out of uthenera. (And that's another thing I'd love to learn about ancient elves - whether they all started quickening after the Veil or if it was just the ones who were born after the Veil who quickened.)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 12, 2020 3:14:29 GMT
This is why I really have trouble understanding the people who think Solas is just flat out evil and must be destroyed ASAP. What’s hard to understand about it? He is going to kill countless innocent people. He and those who follow him have explicitly stated this numerous times.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 12, 2020 8:55:33 GMT
What’s hard to understand about it? He is going to kill countless innocent people. He and those who follow him have explicitly stated this numerous times. This isn't meant to justify what he is doing but answer the question "Why?" I've constantly asked if he has a valid reason why he must take his action, why doesn't he tell us? This video gives a possible answer to that question. After all if you straight up ask him why this world must die, he responds that he has probably already said too much and if he reveals more you might figure it out. That always seemed odd to me, particularly if, as some people suggest, he wants to be stopped. So, instead of wanting to be stopped, he is just giving a warning of what is to come and wants you to understand he has no choice. It actually seems to confirm the idea in my mind that he knows the world is doomed regardless but he is saving what he can. So, for those people who want to save Solas, proving him wrong isn't simply showing him an alternative but perhaps also showing that you can bring this about without becoming corrupted yourself. Which does seem to be confirmed by that voice clip: "They call me the Dread Wolf, what will they call you when this is over?"
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 12, 2020 15:29:06 GMT
What’s hard to understand about it? He is going to kill countless innocent people. He and those who follow him have explicitly stated this numerous times. This isn't meant to justify what he is doing but answer the question "Why?" I've constantly asked if he has a valid reason why he must take his action, why doesn't he tell us? This video gives a possible answer to that question. After all if you straight up ask him why this world must die, he responds that he has probably already said too much and if he reveals more you might figure it out. That always seemed odd to me, particularly if, as some people suggest, he wants to be stopped. So, instead of wanting to be stopped, he is just giving a warning of what is to come and wants you to understand he has no choice. It actually seems to confirm the idea in my mind that he knows the world is doomed regardless but he is saving what he can. So, for those people who want to save Solas, proving him wrong isn't simply showing him an alternative but perhaps also showing that you can bring this about without becoming corrupted yourself. Which does seem to be confirmed by that voice clip: "They call me the Dread Wolf, what will they call you when this is over?" I was just answering why people see him as evil and needs to be stopped. They said they had trouble understanding people who think that. As for his question to us, with what DA4 is shaping up to be like a new PC dealing with him they’ll call me “Soneone who didn’t buy the game.”
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 13, 2020 2:32:26 GMT
This is why I really have trouble understanding the people who think Solas is just flat out evil and must be destroyed ASAP. What’s hard to understand about it? He is going to kill countless innocent people. He and those who follow him have explicitly stated this numerous times. I don't think he has said anything like that explicitly. He talks in terms of "mights" and "maybes" and "what would have beens" in Trespasser. I think at that time, he wasn't quite sure yet himself what his next step would be since the orb had been destroyed. And as Gervaise mentions, he isn't doing whatever he's doing out of an evil desire to rule the world. There is clearly a lot of stuff we don't know about him. Killing him might be the stupidest thing to do if he is indeed saving this world - which he DID say explicitly in The Dread Wolf Takes You. As the video Gervaise linked to suggests, I think there is too much we don't know about the relationship of the Titans, the Evanuris, and the Blight. As of the end of DAI, the Blight is spreading out of the Deep Roads and onto the landscape in the form of red lyrium, thanks to the Venatori. (ETA: And based on some of the things we've seen in the artwork released by BioWare, it's clear that things are much, much worse by the time DA4 rolls around.) I think time is running out for Thedas wrt the Blight and that is what Solas is trying to save the world from and what he can't tell the Inquisitor about due to the things Corseque mentioned in that video. I think that if you (the players) killed him, it's very possible *you'd* be responsible for genocide as eventually, everyone would get infected by the Blight. As for the "Fen'Harel cultists" in Half Up Front, I don't think they are working directly for Solas or that he is the one who gave them the idea of killing themselves if they fail their mission. I think they are opportunistically taking advantage of whatever Solas is doing to push their own agenda. I think the cultists are a red herring.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 13, 2020 3:36:30 GMT
What’s hard to understand about it? He is going to kill countless innocent people. He and those who follow him have explicitly stated this numerous times. I don't think he has said anything like that explicitly. He talks in terms of "mights" and "maybes" and "what would have beens" in Trespasser. I think at that time, he wasn't quite sure yet himself what his next step would be since the orb had been destroyed. And as Gervaise mentions, he isn't doing whatever he's doing out of an evil desire to rule the world. There is clearly a lot of stuff we don't know about him. Killing him might be the stupidest thing to do if he is indeed saving this world - which he DID say explicitly in The Dread Wolf Takes You. As the video Gervaise linked to suggests, I think there is too much we don't know about the relationship of the Titans, the Evanuris, and the Blight. As of the end of DAI, the Blight is spreading out of the Deep Roads and onto the landscape in the form of red lyrium, thanks to the Venatori. (ETA: And based on some of the things we've seen in the artwork released by BioWare, it's clear that things are much, much worse by the time DA4 rolls around.) I think time is running out for Thedas wrt the Blight and that is what Solas is trying to save the world from and what he can't tell the Inquisitor about due to the things Corseque mentioned in that video. I think that if you (the players) killed him, it's very possible *you'd* be responsible for genocide as eventually, everyone would get infected by the Blight. As for the "Fen'Harel cultists" in Half Up Front, I don't think they are working directly for Solas or that he is the one who gave them the idea of killing themselves if they fail their mission. I think they are opportunistically taking advantage of whatever Solas is doing to push their own agenda. I think the cultists are a red herring. "I will save the elven people, even if it means this world must die." "I am not Corypheus. I take no joy in this. But the return of my people means the end of yours." "You'd murder countless people?" "Wouldn't you to save your own?" (As a side note, I hate how we aren't able to actually answer this question since I have a rant on why it would be no) "That does not make what must come next any easier." "If they must die, I would rather they die in comfort." These lines plus the Tevinter Night dialogue such as Charter thinking of Tessa not surviving Solas's plan and Solas acknowledging/not refuting that, leaves no room for interpretation. Whether it kills everyone or not sure maybe can be debated, but his plan killing countless innocent people is not. They aren't mights or maybes or would have beens. (Speaking of, having to watch Trespasser again made me furious at them going with another new protagonist after screwing over DAI and the Inquisitior with a nonending.) His reason for doing it is irrelevant. Many villains throughout history and in stories thought what they were doing would save the world. As the saying goes, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." And instead of giving the people of this world a chance, he just says fuck them and decides he'll play God. And no, the things discussed in that video only make Solas more of an arrogant egomaniac and an idiot. I think if you (the players) try to convince him, it is certain that you will be responsible for genocide as apparently the life of billions isn't worth as much as him to you. All for a plan that looking at his track record wouldn't work anyway. At least his cultists own it.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 13, 2020 4:18:58 GMT
"I will save the elven people, even if it means this world must die." "I am not Corypheus. I take no joy in this. But the return of my people means the end of yours." "You'd murder countless people?" "Wouldn't you to save your own?" (As a side note, I hate how we aren't able to actually answer this question since I have a rant on why it would be no) "That does not make what must come next any easier." "If they must die, I would rather they die in comfort." These lines plus the Tevinter Night dialogue such as Charter thinking of Tessa not surviving Solas's plan and Solas acknowledging/not refuting that, leaves no room for interpretation. Whether it kills everyone or not sure maybe can be debated, but his plan killing countless innocent people is not. They aren't mights or maybes or would have beens. (Speaking of, having to watch Trespasser again made me furious at them going with another new protagonist after screwing over DAI and the Inquisitior with a nonending.) His reason for doing it is irrelevant. Many villains throughout history and in stories thought what they were doing would save the world. As the saying goes, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." And instead of giving the people of this world a chance, he just says fuck them and decides he'll play God. And no, the things discussed in that video only make Solas more of an arrogant egomaniac and an idiot. I think if you (the players) try to convince him, it is certain that you will be responsible for genocide as apparently the life of billions isn't worth as much as him to you. All for a plan that looking at his track record wouldn't work anyway. At least his cultists own it. "I will save the elven people, even if it means this world must die." " If they must die, I would rather they die in comfort." "If" introduces a conditional statement in both these contexts. This is what suggests to me that he isn't sure what is going to happen. It says he is willing to go that far if he has to, I'll grant you that, but you can't condemn a person for a crime they haven't yet committed. With regards to "I am not Corypheus. I take no joy in this. But the return of my people means the end of yours" - "Destroying their world" in the context of what he thinks he's already done... clearly hasn't. They're no longer immortal, their culture has changed, and they've adapted to the new world. Arguably they might have become better people for it, if any of the things we learned about the ancient elven world from reading books in the Shattered Library are true. It sounds like it was a pretty awful culture. We get more evidence of how awful it really was in The Horror at Hormak. At any rate, cultural change would have happened anyway over thousands of years, which is how long it's been. They and the world still exist. Solas was just the catalyst for change, which is a time-honoured role for many a trickster god in real-world legends. Solas also said: "Because every alternative was worse." "Had I not created the Veil, the Evanuris would have destroyed the entire world." "in their lust for power, they killed her." "Not a good answer, no. Sometimes terrible choices are all that remain." "I did not lead a rebellion against immortal mage-kings without getting my hands bloody." "You were people, and you deserved better… like all the rest I have used in one hopeless battle after another." And in TDWTY he says: " What I am doing will save this world, and those like you--the elves who still remain--may even find it better, when it is done." Yes, Charter thinks Tessa wouldn't find it better, and says so. I know you believe Charter is referring to Tessa dying, because that's what you believe is going to happen to everyone. However, I believe that Solas is only agreeing that Tessa wouldn't like the world once he's done whatever he's doing because the power balance will have shifted drastically and humans may not find themselves the dominant culture anymore. You say "Many villains throughout history and in stories thought what they were doing would save the world," and that is exactly what I'm getting at when I say we don't know enough about the ancient past to confidently say that stopping/killing Solas will save the world. If, as I suspect, whatever Solas is doing is meant to stop the Blight once and for all, then killing him before that plan comes to fruition could doom the world instead, and then the player becomes the villain. I'm not saying Solas is a saint. He is clearly an "ends justify the means" kind of guy who will do what he thinks is necessary to save the world. But I really can't see him as a villain the way you do. At worst, he's an anti villain. "You'd murder countless people?" "Wouldn't you to save your own?" (As a side note, I hate how we aren't able to actually answer this question since I have a rant on why it would be no)I am sort of wearily curious about your rant, because I doubt you made it through Inquisition without murdering countless Venatori and/or Red Templars. So here Solas is just pointing out what he has already watched the Inquisitor do over the course of Inquisition. I'm also somewhat curious whether you executed any of the prisoners you got to judge at Skyhold.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 13, 2020 4:46:03 GMT
"I will save the elven people, even if it means this world must die." "I am not Corypheus. I take no joy in this. But the return of my people means the end of yours." "You'd murder countless people?" "Wouldn't you to save your own?" (As a side note, I hate how we aren't able to actually answer this question since I have a rant on why it would be no) "That does not make what must come next any easier." "If they must die, I would rather they die in comfort." These lines plus the Tevinter Night dialogue such as Charter thinking of Tessa not surviving Solas's plan and Solas acknowledging/not refuting that, leaves no room for interpretation. Whether it kills everyone or not sure maybe can be debated, but his plan killing countless innocent people is not. They aren't mights or maybes or would have beens. (Speaking of, having to watch Trespasser again made me furious at them going with another new protagonist after screwing over DAI and the Inquisitior with a nonending.) His reason for doing it is irrelevant. Many villains throughout history and in stories thought what they were doing would save the world. As the saying goes, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." And instead of giving the people of this world a chance, he just says fuck them and decides he'll play God. And no, the things discussed in that video only make Solas more of an arrogant egomaniac and an idiot. I think if you (the players) try to convince him, it is certain that you will be responsible for genocide as apparently the life of billions isn't worth as much as him to you. All for a plan that looking at his track record wouldn't work anyway. At least his cultists own it. "I will save the elven people, even if it means this world must die." " If they must die, I would rather they die in comfort." "If" introduces a conditional statement in both these contexts. This is what suggests to me that he isn't sure what is going to happen. It says he is willing to go that far if he has to, I'll grant you that, but you can't condemn a person for a crime they haven't yet committed. With regards to "I am not Corypheus. I take no joy in this. But the return of my people means the end of yours" - "Destroying their world" in the context of what he thinks he's already done... clearly hasn't. They're no longer immortal, their culture has changed, and they've adapted to the new world. Arguably they might have become better people for it, if any of the things we learned about the ancient elven world from reading books in the Shattered Library are true. It sounds like it was a pretty awful culture. We get more evidence of how awful it really was in The Horror at Hormak. At any rate, cultural change would have happened anyway over thousands of years, which is how long it's been. They and the world still exist. Solas was just the catalyst for change, which is a time-honoured role for many a trickster god in real-world legends. Solas also said: "Because every alternative was worse." "Had I not created the Veil, the Evanuris would have destroyed the entire world." "in their lust for power, they killed her." "Not a good answer, no. Sometimes terrible choices are all that remain." "I did not lead a rebellion against immortal mage-kings without getting my hands bloody." "You were people, and you deserved better… like all the rest I have used in one hopeless battle after another." And in TDWTY he says: " What I am doing will save this world, and those like you--the elves who still remain--may even find it better, when it is done." Yes, Charter thinks Tessa wouldn't find it better, and says so. I know you believe Charter is referring to Tessa dying, because that's what you believe is going to happen to everyone. However, I believe that Solas is only agreeing that Tessa wouldn't like the world once he's done whatever he's doing because the power balance will have shifted drastically and humans may not find themselves the dominant culture anymore. You say "Many villains throughout history and in stories thought what they were doing would save the world," and that is exactly what I'm getting at when I say we don't know enough about the ancient past to confidently say that stopping/killing Solas will save the world. If, as I suspect, whatever Solas is doing is meant to stop the Blight once and for all, then killing him before that plan comes to fruition could doom the world instead, and then the player becomes the villain. I'm not saying Solas is a saint. He is clearly an "ends justify the means" kind of guy who will do what he thinks is necessary to save the world. But I really can't see him as a villain the way you do. At worst, he's an anti villain. "You'd murder countless people?" "Wouldn't you to save your own?" (As a side note, I hate how we aren't able to actually answer this question since I have a rant on why it would be no)I am sort of wearily curious about your rant, because I doubt you made it through Inquisition without murdering countless Venatori and/or Red Templars. So here Solas is just pointing out what he has already watched the Inquisitor do over the course of Inquisition. I'm also somewhat curious whether you executed any of the prisoners you got to judge at Skyhold. That's not how the if in those sentences read or sound to me. The ifs imply a cost for their actions. "I will save your life, even if that costs me your friendship" for example. They know it's a consequence of the act, but are going to do it anyway. Last I checked Solas's actions last time killed countless elves, so as I said whether or not it actually means everyone will die or just a lot ecause the world as a concept ends rather than literally does not matter. And regardless, he drops any pretense of ambiguity with that line. The lines you used to defend him are all subjective coming from a very biased source or support my side of the argument rather than yours. He says there were no better solutions, but as he acknowledges he is very prideful and as we see throughout the game he hates and dismisses the idea of being wrong. The few times he admits he was wrong, like his view of Rainier, were times that support him and his thinking he is right. Just look how he disapproves at even simple things like the Inquisitor always being the person they were rather than the Mark making them that way like he thinks. He has deluded himself into thinking he is right and has to do this and so on. That interpretation about his lines about Tessa seems to be just as much your views schewing it as you think mine are for me. Charter's emotions of sadness clearly suggest it is more than just Tessa being sad in the new world. Also that line again states explicitly that countless people will die, in this case the elves who should be the safest from this. We know enough to know that all those people were wrong, and had lots of innocent people pay the price for their actions. I also don't really support the notion of antivillains, simply because every villain is the hero of their own story. Very few villains are evil for evil's sake. And no, stopping him doesn't make the player the villain. It just stops one genocide to give them a chance to stop another. Letting him continue as he pleases means nothing to the millions that he'll kill along the way. As for your queries about me: 1. That is not the same. First, the Venatori/Red Templars/etc always attack us first so it is killing in self defense or the defense of others. THat is far different than the milions of unarmed civilians that will die from Solas's plan. Second, I've stated numerous times I would love more options to avoid bloodshed or even have non-lethal combat ailities. The fact the game limiuts our options doesn't make Solas right any more than not giving dialogue options to counter him does. 2. Never executed the prisoners at Skyhold.
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