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Post by Solas on Jun 8, 2021 20:14:40 GMT
Dark Fortress spoilers under cut Dark Fortress #3 arguably implies something similar to the common fanon that the vallaslin chosen is of a god whose 'domain' or attributes or traits have some relevance or connection to the Dalish elf in question. Elgar'nan is the god of vengeance. Shirallas' clan were murdered/destroyed during his formative years and this had a lasting impact on him. he became angry and consumed to find some way to act on his anger and get revenge/deliver his vengeance. he devoted himself to Elgar'nan and chanted the song to Elgar'nan during the vallaslin application ceremony when he got Elgar'nan vallaslin. seems fair to infer that he chose that.
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Post by Solas on Jun 9, 2021 15:48:09 GMT
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Post by Julilla on Jun 9, 2021 18:06:13 GMT
Terrific work, Threaddad! It looks really great!
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Jun 16, 2021 15:13:38 GMT
everyday im ruined by this elf. just needed to get it out.
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Post by Iddy on Jul 23, 2021 11:38:01 GMT
Which dynamic do you guys enjoy the most? Solas x A Lavellan who is kinda like him or Solas x A Lavellan who is different from him in every way?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 23, 2021 12:17:24 GMT
Which dynamic do you guys enjoy the most? Solas x A Lavellan who is kinda like him or Solas x A Lavellan who is different from him in every way? I prefer somewhere between the two. My Lavellan was okay with challenging him on his views on blood magic and the Dalish efforts to recover their culture but she started to respect him when she heard some of his discussions with other companions and for the fact he did seem to have greater knowledge than her about spirits and the Fade. He also came across as thoughtful and compassionate, for example not enjoying killing but just seeing it as something unavoidable in order to defend yourself, which is how she viewed it. She was devoted to Sylaise, so very much the peacemaker but Sera totally rubbed her up the wrong way, so she ended up ignoring her, whereas Solas seemed more inclined to try and make an effort. Mostly though, she wanted to learn, was willing to listen to other people and take on new ideas if they made sense to her. She was quite ready to accept the advice of other people if she thought they were better qualified than herself. So in that respect she was the opposite of Solas, who is really rather arrogant and unwilling to trust anyone other than himself. This was exemplified by her response to his question about what she would do with the knowledge of the Well of Sorrows (which always made no sense to me if you didn't actually drink). Her response was to listen to the views of others. "Solas disapproves". Yet, if she had made her decision about drinking based entirely on her own desires she would have done so; it was observing that Solas didn't want to when offered and more importantly listening to Cole (you don't want all those voices in your head), that gave her pause for thought and ultimately let Morrigan take the risk.
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Post by squealingpiggies on Aug 5, 2021 19:59:06 GMT
Which dynamic do you guys enjoy the most? Solas x A Lavellan who is kinda like him or Solas x A Lavellan who is different from him in every way? Why not both? My fav Solavellan playthrough was where I played a bubbly goody two-shoes. I like to think what Solas fell in love with was reminiscent of his own younger naivety, curiosity, and wonder along with the vivacity of the ancient elves ("You show a wisdom I have not seen since…"). As I roleplayed her and learned more about the ancient elves, I came to see elves and spirits as the same and believe Solas has a similar view (see personal quest and Vir Dirthara, which I now believe to be completely about Solas). So my own head cannon involves a broken and angsty Solas who has been crushed by his own extreme failure ('killing' the elven people in an attempt to 'save' them). He has this Wisdom turned Pride theme going that happened to be mirrored and countered by my own Lavallens developments. Since this wasn't my first rodeo, I pretty much managed to ace everything and get max companion relationship, Bull and Dorian hook up, Cullan quits lyrium, etc, etc... Everyone has their happy ending! Well, except for Lavellan. I decided to do the Avvar DLC after completing the main campaign (instead of with Solas like my last Solavellan playthrough) and just kept seeing parallels with her between the former Inquisitor. And when I listened to the spirit who held the former Inquisitor's lover's last thoughts, I cried. To hear how she waited in vain made my heart sink. Then I began to get angry. Angry at the abandonment of the former Inquisitor, angry at all the people who expect me to solve their problems, angry at my companions for telling me to forget my own, angry at Solas for leaving after say he would explain, and angry at myself for letting him go. No longer was I this lovable plush toy that was ready to give everyone a hug and kiss their boo-boos goodbye. She started yelling at people and getting annoyed that things we in her way, she was starting to think that others were pushing herself away from what she wanted. Then came Trespassers... The whole DLC is a flurry of feels for Solavellan. From Vivvian telling you to essentially forget about Solas, to Sera's comment that she's not sorry that he left (that was such a bittersweet scene, wish I still knew which mods I had on in my the save right before that convo. AND YEAH, I have a save for each companion convo in each step of Trespassers for my fav Solavellan playthrough) She only was feeling more an more hurt by those around her (Sera kinda gets a pass cause she basically said she would put up with him for you). Then when I figure out Solas is near and yell " We have to save him!", all your companions are like "uhg...here we go again, why won't she just forget about him?" EXCEPT COLE, besty spirit friend for life (had a bug once where I got to see all companion changes from that option and had slightly disproves for everyone except Cole who GREATLY APPROVED)! So when I come face to face with that suavely sad seed, I really didn't give a flip about anyone else. I feel like the only one who gets me is Cole and Solas (since I wasn't paying attention and got my tribe killed, decided not to reload because tragedies are kinda my thing. and I really didn't want to do a bunch of boring, irrelevant side quests over again right after doing them T_T). My Lavellan felt lost and oh so alone. Before her stands one of the few people she feels a close connection but he left her. She is excited, hurt, and angry; oh, so angry. I really do love those lines at the final scene where you call him a liar in elven. It really seems to hurt Solas more than anything; even though his fear is dying alone, you can see his title of The Dread Wolf still weighs heavily on him (connection mayhap?). When you call him out you really ask him "Was our connection just a means to an end?" and he quickly tries to deny it (which as we learned with the court comment, he isn't the quickest liar). I love when he squirms over his own blunders, I feel like its the only chance we get to see of the real (maybe 'old' or 'original' is better?) Solas as a simple spirit of Wisdom. For my Lavellan, this is the Solas she fell in love with: the curious and knowledgeable mind, the kind and gentle observer that looks, and talks, before acting, and she is putty in his hands again. There goes her anger; as long as she is with Solas, nothing else matters; just take her with you! So just as Solas has been twisted so too has my own Lavellan from a spirit of Love to that of Desire, desire of the spirit of Wisdom that Solas used to be. So they both contrast and compliment each other. Where both have changed their own natures to get what they want but end up working towards opposite ends, Solas wishes to take up his mantle again while Lavellan wants him to put it away forever. So she disbands the inquisition, gives up her own title to free herself of her obligations and now she wants to get Solas to do they same so they can go make out in the fade again and not be bothered by anyone else...ever again! Wow, that turned out a bit longer than I planned...but fangirling over Solas is too much fun! So I guess my answer is I really like having Solas and Lavellan's to be the same in a different way? That's not right... Solas and Levellan contrasts mirror each other? No, not that... I like a romance where Solas and Lavellan change each other!
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Post by Iddy on Aug 10, 2021 12:12:37 GMT
I haven't really cared about Dragon Age in the last couple of years, but I'm suddenly starved for Dalish material and elfiness in general. Sadly, reading The Masked Empire for the third time isn't an option.
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Post by Iddy on Sept 2, 2021 20:04:50 GMT
In the scenario where Lavellan accepts the offer to become a comtess in Kirkwall and starts living there after the Solas issue is done with, what would that life look like?
Do you think would be completely spared from the challenges of being an elf in a human city on account of being the (former) Inquisitor and the viscount's friend?
Or would it be more like a Briala kinda deal, where the treatment is only a little better?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 3, 2021 7:37:01 GMT
In the scenario where Lavellan accepts the offer to become a comtess in Kirkwall and starts living there after the Solas issue is done with, what would that life look like? I wrote a complete fan fiction about this. In my version of the universe Lavellan uses the gift of land and title in Kirkwall to effect change in the Freemarches, works with Hawke and Fenris to get Sebastian on board, gets Varric to pull diplomatic strings with other city states (tends to avoid the fundamentalist city of Tantervale), plus of course their own clan's influence in Wycombe, the party capital of Thedas. It also struck me that we know very little about Wildervale but I assume from the name that it is probably somewhat wild and sparsely populated, so together with the Plannescene Forest to the south, would be a good place to encourage the Dalish to settle, together with city elves wanting to get out of the alienage. All this was with a view to undermining Solas and his agents' influence on them and also that of the Qun. This would establish a basis to build on once Solas had been dealt with. Then he marched north with a select group to retake the Arlathan Forest for the elves. Now oddly enough the writers at Bioware seem to have a similar sort of idea, bearing in mind there would now appear to be a number of clans up in that area, when previously we had been told they steered clear of Tevinter and technically that would include the forest. Of course, we don't know why they are up there. They could be connected with the agents of the Dread Wolf or another faction opposed to him. Something is definitely happening there.
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Post by Iddy on Sept 13, 2021 17:28:16 GMT
In the unlikely and hypothetical scenario where everything ends well and Lavellan visits her clan with Solas, how do you guys imagine that would go?
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Post by xerrai on Sept 13, 2021 18:26:41 GMT
In the unlikely and hypothetical scenario where everything ends well and Lavellan visits her clan with Solas, how do you guys imagine that would go? It would highly depend on whether Solas's identity as the genuine Dread Wolf (as opposed to some guy taking the god's name) was known. It would also depend on if the Dalish were being forced to contend with any new truths revealed about their ancient past. Because if Solas approaches the clan as an apostate hobo, then things should most likely go well given that Clan Lavellan is hinted to be far more openminded about dealing with outsiders. Solas mostly kept to the shadows too, so there is a decent chance his involvement in the whole end-of-the-world bit would be a facet of information known only by a few. And most of those are either dead or are unwilling/unmotivated to reveal the truth. If Solas is identified as the "cult leader who took the Dread Wolf's name" then things would likely get prickly. They would likely view his mantle as either a foolish move or a sacrilegious one, but they may forgive that blunder if they come to believe that he was genuinely trying to help the elvhen people. Whether they would forgive the destruction her wrought upon the world though is another matter entirely. But I imagine even among Clan Lavellan there are a few individuals who may not even care about that destruction that so long as it primarily affected non-elves. Solas in this instance would be "tolerated", if all things went well. It may result in the Inquisitor being encouraged to never visit again though (especially if they are in Wycome). But if Solas was known as the ancient elvhen god Fen'Harel? That's...oof. Even if some monumental truth was revealed that allegedly show proof that Fen'Harel was not like what they had believed previously, there is no guarantee that the elves of Clan Lavellan (or any Dalish, really) would just accept that. There would be doubt, skepticism, and even claims that it is all part of Fen'Harel's trickery. But the potential for knowledge or power is a damning thing that even the Dalish could succumb to. He may be an evil god, but he is still a god. One who, by all accounts, has a better account of ancient elvhenan and its secrets than whatever the Dalish have been able to collect. If they placate or bribe him with hospitality, they could be rewarded. If Solas is willing to point them to a trove of valuable artifacts, the keys to their history, and so on; they may be willing to keep them around for personal gain or the "benefit of the Dalish". Assuming he isn't killed or dismissed right off, Solas may be able to buy his way into a limited form of tolerance by sharing what he know. Even if the clan believes that he is still using trickery, they may be willing to see him as a tool for good if they find something that can be used to help the people--even while they may not believe his narrative behind whatever they find. I imagine they would believe that the Inquisitor was seduced ad fooled by him though.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Oct 29, 2021 1:37:43 GMT
I have almost all of Solas' dialogue transcribed in a document for Reasons, so on a whim I just ran a readability test on it. Flesch Reading Ease is 75.8%, which means "fairly easy." The Flesch-Kincaid grade level equivalent according to MS Word is 4.6 - so almost grade 5 level but I'll bump it up to 6th grade because of the percentage. That still means that 11-13 year olds have the vocabulary to understand it well. So... I think you are mistaken. Solas doesn't tend to use fancy words in his conversations. He does have an old-timey sort of speech pattern, though. Maybe that's what you're thinking of?
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Post by Iddy on Oct 29, 2021 20:23:39 GMT
I have almost all of Solas' dialogue transcribed in a document for Reasons, so on a whim I just ran a readability test on it. Flesch Reading Ease is 75.8%, which means "fairly easy." The Flesch-Kincaid grade level equivalent according to MS Word is 4.6 - so almost grade 5 level but I'll bump it up to 6th grade because of the percentage. That still means that 11-13 year olds have the vocabulary to understand it well. So... I think you are mistaken. Solas doesn't tend to use fancy words in his conversations. He does have an old-timey sort of speech pattern, though. Maybe that's what you're thinking of? Hmm... yes, you may be right.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Dec 4, 2021 5:36:58 GMT
ICYMI... Unofficial Dragon Age Day @unofficialdadayHe Who Hunts Alone, Lord of Tricksters, Roamer of the Beyond, the Dread Wolf, Fen’Harel… We’re so pleased to announce @pancheers, voice of Solas, as a participant in this year’s #DragonAgeDay for @ablegamers! Gareth is donating signed items & video greetings- stay tuned!
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Post by Solas on Dec 4, 2021 15:24:07 GMT
Isana's Song staff, interesting choice... [tinfoil]
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Post by Iddy on Feb 9, 2022 12:06:20 GMT
I was just thinking about how Solas uses a formal speech in about every situation and, you know... I don't think you have to go full Sheldon in order to show a character's intelligence. You can bet that even the most renowned scientist still goes "That's some crazy shit, man" around his/her friends.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 9, 2022 12:11:07 GMT
I was just thinking about how Solas uses a formal speech in about every situation and, you know... I don't think you have to go full Sheldon in order to show a character's intelligence. You can bet that even the most renowned scientist still goes "That's some crazy shit, man" around his/her friends. I don't think this is just a matter of 'showing character's intelligence', but that he is - pretty literally - from a different era.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Feb 10, 2022 0:40:33 GMT
He also uses very succinct and non-formal language, like 'ass.' I don't think his speech is that much different from the other companions, except that he speaks a little more lyrically then the others, and doesn't often use contractions. That can lend a greater formality to spoken language, but it doesn't really stand out a lot for me - maybe because I watched all of Star Trek: The Next Generation while growing up, and Data was one of my favourite characters, and he never used contractions.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 10, 2022 0:57:59 GMT
He also uses very succinct and non-formal language, like 'ass.' I don't think his speech is that much different from the other companions, except that he speaks a little more lyrically then the others, and doesn't often use contractions. That can lend a greater formality to spoken language, but it doesn't really stand out a lot for me - maybe because I watched all of Star Trek: The Next Generation while growing up, and Data was one of my favourite characters, and he never used contractions. Also, we should probably keep in mind that the common tongue isn't Solas' first language, and even though he uses it well, non-native speakers can have their quirks in the way they speak in non-native languages.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 10, 2022 15:34:55 GMT
I don't think this is just a matter of 'showing character's intelligence', but that he is - pretty literally - from a different era. Didn't PW say as much at some point? Having Solas speak lyrically was definitely done to suggest his background. Also, we should probably keep in mind that the common tongue isn't Solas' first language, and even though he uses it well, non-native speakers can have their quirks in the way they speak in non-native languages. In Pygmalion/My Fair Lady, the chap who thinks he can spot any fraud, mistakenly says that Eliza Doolittle cannot possibly be from England because her English is too good and only a foreigner would have been taught to speak it so perfectly. His conclusion: she is clearly a foreign princess. There may be an element of this in Solas' formal use of the common tongue. Mind you, speaking the language too perfectly also applied to elvish so far as Leliana was concerned. In WoT2 she remarks how she noticed that he didn't sound like any other elf she had encountered, whether city or Dalish, his elvish being perfect but with a strange accent, which you think might have made her check out his origins a bit sooner as she said it was so unusual. I wonder if Felassan was the same but since Briala had never encountered any Dalish before meeting him, she wouldn't know how they should sound when speaking elvish and much of the time he only spoke to her in common.
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Post by legbamel on Feb 11, 2022 3:52:59 GMT
I wouldn't assume that all Dalish had the same accent. They're all over Thedas and lore has them fairly isolated from one another. Their language and accents would evolve over time just as neighboring Ferelden and Orlais have. Unless Leliana believed she had spoken with members of his imaginary clan it shouldn't necessarily make her overly suspicious that he didn't speak the same as those she has.
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