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Post by lovelykotori on Sept 26, 2016 7:47:32 GMT
lately I was scared by the trespasser ending (watching in german). It is about their conversation when solas says ... how is the dalish course? May the dread wolf take you?
lavellan response was "and so he did"
So now to the important point. Solas says in the original "i would not lay with you under false pretenses", which is very very ambiguous.
The german version was very clearer. "Meine Gefühle für Euch waren echt." means .. "My feelings for you were real."
I am curious how translators work. But this german dialogue just ruins the fact that the dialogue was ambiguous before.
how is this translated in other languages? That is interesting. I really like the German version as it doesn't specifically mention anyone laying with anyone. To me that seems more ambiguous and in a good way. The original version comes off really awkward if you don't head canon Solas and Lavellan having been physically intimate. Why would Solas need to remind Lavellan that he hadn't slept with her? Why would he jump to the topic of sex when Lavellan meant that he had taken her for a fool or had taken her heart or something? I know that stuff was supposed to be ambiguous in the original version, but to me one meaning seems to make a lot more sense than the other. I figured selecting the "Yes, ironically" option after Solas mentions the old Dalish curse was going to involve ambiguous sex stuff, so the first time through Trespasser I avoided that option. I never had a problem with the notion of Solas and Lavellan doing the deed, but I don' t like the game tricking me into unwittingly making it my canon. When I selected the dialogue option about a good luck kiss in the convo before the break up, and it turned into a sex thing I was really puzzled. Up to that point it have never occurred to me that my character and Solas might have been physically intimate. It also seemed OOC for Solas to be joking. Meh, I'm weird. I don' t like ambiguous writing in my RPGs. It seems I missed yet another round of "did they or didn't they." I'm in the "they totally wanted to but haven't yet" camp. Is it unrealistic for my Lavellan to wait 3, 4, 5, or 1000 years to consummate her "relationship" with Solas? Possibly, but she's certain it will be worth the wait. Maybe. Probably not. Meh. Team Optimism! guess also germans want to underline their emotional connection. o.O I don't find the original version awkward maybe it's just my inner fangirl that giggled with the smutty thoughts in the background LOL. but true why would solas remind lavellan that they hadn't slept together? the good luck thing is also very ambiguous... I mean you can read it like they have never done it .. and are going to do it. or they already did it and she's talking about doing it again ... well. but solas joking OOC? I don't think so. he often makes jokes, more sarcastic ones when u hear them bantering. I really love that. which joke do you exactly mean? the one with the getting u into bed? I am still for the "they did it", because in my imagination between his love declaration for her and the break up .. there are months. I mean they travel around days, weeks through these maps .. why shouldn't there be some relax time? maybe I am too spoiled from a fanfiction ... in my headcanon they at least have fadesex lol xD
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Post by lovelykotori on Sept 26, 2016 8:16:48 GMT
guess also germans want to underline their emotional connection. o.O I don't find the original version awkward maybe it's just my inner fangirl that giggled with the smutty thoughts in the background LOL. but true why would solas remind lavellan that they hadn't slept together? the good luck thing is also very ambiguous... I mean you can read it like they have never done it .. and are going to do it. or they already did it and she's talking about doing it again ... well. but solas joking OOC? I don't think so. he often makes jokes, more sarcastic ones when u hear them bantering. I really love that. which joke do you exactly mean? the one with the getting u into bed? I am still for the "they did it", because in my imagination between his love declaration for her and the break up .. there are months. I mean they travel around days, weeks through these maps .. why shouldn't there be some relax time? maybe I am too spoiled from a fanfiction ... in my headcanon they at least have fadesex lol xD Yes, I was referring to the "getting you into bed" thing being a joke. I know Solas was written with a sense of humor, but he doesn't joke about sex. He scolds Blackwall and Sera for doing that. Up to that point Solas had been very serious when it came to his romantic involvement with Lavellan, suddenly switching to sex jokes (on both sides of the conversation) seemed odd to me. (Remember when I picked the dialogue wheel option about a kiss I wasn't expecting Lavellan to talk about sex either.) This post over on reddit probably better sums up my troubles with the way Weekes tried to make the Solavellan dialogue ambiguous: linkhmm I can't say that. ok he colds blackwall and sera but I think it's different from the joke he makes when they are alone. I guess he doesn't want to know sera or blackwall that he can joke about that. I mean .. he also mentioned that lavellan saw more than most. so this could be one of those things. ok now I get it. so in the end if your head canon is "they didn't" the his answer seems really awkward to "and so he did". damn that wolf. I can't stop thinking about those dialogues
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Post by Auirel on Sept 26, 2016 8:20:03 GMT
So, I just finished the Nature of the Beast Quest in Origins. And gotta say... the way the scene played out, with Zathrain sacrificing himself to end the curse to help out all parties involved... seriously made me think this was how it was going to play out with Solas come DA4. They both had bald heads. Thought they knew better. Had centuries long opinions on a matter dear to their heart. Omg you're right. both bald heads.. and is it just my imagination or do they have the same staff? I am not sure if I wanna think about D4 or not. I am afraid of that what could happen to solas. my bf doesn't play DA but depending on how often I play it .. he already knows the main story ( I tell him about characters and so on). when I told him about my fav romance .. of course solavellan he didn't understand what ppl like about him. I also have to say he doesn't know every detail of the game. he asked my why ppl like such a racist. that was his first question after I explained to him that only a female elf can romance him. furthermore I told him about the trespasser thing and he was really convinced that solas is a racist (because of what he wants to do ...). I mean .. don't think so. is it so reprehensible that solas only likes female elfs? I guess you cannot simply call it racism, the whole story about him is too complex. I tried to explain my bf the elven history a bit .. but my bf was still not convinced. By that logic then Cullen is a dirty racist too for only liking human and elf females... And Sera isn't racist because she can romance all races. You know, just as long as you sacrifice your own culture and beliefs for her. It just doesn't seem racist to me to have a preference for one race over another as a partner. Its your preference. And the racial differences in DA are far more extreme than in reality, differences that go far beyond what colour your skin is or a minor variation in features. We know Solas has prejudices for everyone at the start of the game, he doesn't consider them really people. Then if your friendly or romance him, he changes his mind, realising that everyone is indeed people. (Well obviously Solas, ). He doesn't discriminate between races here. He could have easily said "Only the elves are whom I consider true people." He doesn't.
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 26, 2016 8:34:56 GMT
Omg you're right. both bald heads.. and is it just my imagination or do they have the same staff? I am not sure if I wanna think about D4 or not. I am afraid of that what could happen to solas. my bf doesn't play DA but depending on how often I play it .. he already knows the main story ( I tell him about characters and so on). when I told him about my fav romance .. of course solavellan he didn't understand what ppl like about him. I also have to say he doesn't know every detail of the game. he asked my why ppl like such a racist. that was his first question after I explained to him that only a female elf can romance him. furthermore I told him about the trespasser thing and he was really convinced that solas is a racist (because of what he wants to do ...). I mean .. don't think so. is it so reprehensible that solas only likes female elfs? I guess you cannot simply call it racism, the whole story about him is too complex. I tried to explain my bf the elven history a bit .. but my bf was still not convinced. Well then, Cullen is a racist towards dwarves and Qunarie, because he won't date either. And Bull was nearly racist against dwarves. My understanding of the race-gates is that it mostly stems from budget constraints/technical limitations - something Cullen romance and especially the Solas romance suffered from since both were added last minute. Another limitation on the Solas one is that it was pretty much tailored to Dalish Inquisitors. It's hard to think of a human/dwarf/qunari thing Solas could've done that would've carried as much significance as him removing the vallaslin. Like, nevermind what that means to a Dalish, it holds massive significance to Solas as well. It's why it confuses me when people say it doesn't make sense that Solas was race-gated, or that it happened only because he's racist. The romance, all it's undercurrents and ironies, mean so much more to a Dalish Inquisitor. I can't fathom a way to write it so that it would carry as much significance to a human, or even a city elf. The entire last scene would have to be rewritten, which would've been difficult with the time and budget constraints. Like - there are a lot of different angles to that last romance scene, but the most important one is the Vallaslin. The truth Solas ends up giving Lavellan isn't some coincidence. It's not some random factoid he's pulled up on a whim - it's not as though the truth he gave her was a lost Elvhen recipe or secret Elvhen handshake. The truth he ended up telling her was the truth of the Vallaslin. The offer to remove it. Things Fen'Harel did and things Fen'Harel was known for. In a way, it's the best thing he can do to tell her his identity without actually telling her. Like, imagine you're dating a guy, he says he has something really important to tell you, and then follows that up by whipping out a hammer called Mjolnir and summoning lightning out of the sky. Sure, he's not straight up going "Hey, I'm Thor," but if you're familiar enough with who Thor really was, it's something you could probably piece together. And it's the same here - it's Solas' attempt to go "Hey, I'm Fen'Harel" without actually going "Hey, I'm Fen'Harel," but instead by doing the things Fen'Harel did and was famous for. And if Lavellan only knew - if she only had the knowledge he was so prepared to give the Dalish and so summarily rejected for giving - then she'd know who he was, too. In a way, it's even more truthful than simply telling her his real identity, since then he'd have to contend with all the Dalish misconceptions. With the vallaslin removal, he's not only saying he's Fen'Harel, but he's saying who Fen'Harel was - not a cackling trickster, but a granter of freedom. And that would all be completely lost if the Inquisitor weren't Dalish. The cumulative scene to the romance, that works on so many different levels, would have to be entirely scrapped and rewritten - and how could you even find something as equally symbolic for the other Inquisitors as that anyway?
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Post by Elessara on Sept 26, 2016 11:00:31 GMT
Omg you're right. both bald heads.. and is it just my imagination or do they have the same staff? I am not sure if I wanna think about D4 or not. I am afraid of that what could happen to solas. my bf doesn't play DA but depending on how often I play it .. he already knows the main story ( I tell him about characters and so on). when I told him about my fav romance .. of course solavellan he didn't understand what ppl like about him. I also have to say he doesn't know every detail of the game. he asked my why ppl like such a racist. that was his first question after I explained to him that only a female elf can romance him. furthermore I told him about the trespasser thing and he was really convinced that solas is a racist (because of what he wants to do ...). I mean .. don't think so. is it so reprehensible that solas only likes female elfs? I guess you cannot simply call it racism, the whole story about him is too complex. I tried to explain my bf the elven history a bit .. but my bf was still not convinced. Well then, Cullen is a racist towards dwarves and Qunarie, because he won't date either. And if your bf is STILL being stubborn you can always point out that it was at time/budget issue. Solas was one of the last (if not THE last) romance added and they had neither the time nor money to add him in for more races. But still, people are attracted to what they're attracted to. Doesn't necessarily make them racist or anything. Edit: I can see this was all mentioned above. I should probably read the rest of the replies before jumping right in.
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Post by lovelykotori on Sept 26, 2016 11:09:41 GMT
Well then, Cullen is a racist towards dwarves and Qunarie, because he won't date either. And if your bf is STILL being stubborn you can always point out that it was at time/budget issue. Solas was one of the last (if not THE last) romance added and they had neither the time nor money to add him in for more races. But still, people are attracted to what they're attracted to. Doesn't necessarily make them racist or anything. I didn't know about that budget issue. In fact I thought this whole dragon age story was mainly written for a female mage elf, because when you're this character you have more dialogue options. also because of the uniqueness of this solas romance. but yeah when I get home I'll tell him about the money issue ellawynafter reading your comment I was trying to imagine solas with a human, dwarf and qunari and I really couldn't figure out a proper love story. the Vallaslin is really important for this whole solas plot (especially in trespasser). I guess in the end it makes sense that only a dalish inquisitor can romance him.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 26, 2016 16:47:17 GMT
Officially the best spin on the idea I've seen, yet. His face and Dorian's at the end. XD And Viv is just like "That's nice, dear. Now, about hats..." LOL
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Post by forgetmenot on Sept 26, 2016 16:50:59 GMT
Officially the best spin on the idea I've seen, yet. His face and Dorian's at the end. XD And Viv is just like "That's nice, dear. Now, about hats..." LOL Its great isn't it! Really made me laugh. I can just imagine Viv saying it exactly how she talked in "Spa Day". I loved that "don't be sad, dear, its spa day!" hahaha funnily enough she was the only one of my inner circle to actually ask how I was doing re Solas and we hated each other!
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Post by dragontartare on Sept 26, 2016 16:55:37 GMT
Is there a reason this had to be a new thread instead of posted on the character thread? There's a hundred page thread about Solas, it's impossible to miss. The people who go into the Solas thread are probably mainly fans of Solas, and it's reasonable to think they would have very different answers to this question than the rest of the community in general.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 26, 2016 17:00:49 GMT
Officially the best spin on the idea I've seen, yet. His face and Dorian's at the end. XD And Viv is just like "That's nice, dear. Now, about hats..." LOL Its great isn't it! Really made me laugh. I can just imagine Viv saying it exactly how she talked in "Spa Day". I loved that "don't be sad, dear, its spa day!" hahaha funnily enough she was the only one of my inner circle to actually ask how I was doing re Solas and we hated each other! I didn't know she asks you, even if you didn't get along with her. I didn't even know she shows up in Trespasser if you are enemies with her. Were you actually enemies with her or just unfriendly, but not enough to get the furniture scene?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Sept 26, 2016 17:07:17 GMT
Yeah, we're going to keep to the "one thread per topic (or in this case character)" rule for the time being. Certain circumstances may merit multiple threads but we'll deal with those as they come up. This is not one of them.
Merging...
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 26, 2016 17:20:18 GMT
Yeah, we're going to keep to the "one thread per topic (or in this case character)" rule for the time being. Certain circumstances may merit multiple threads but we'll deal with those as they come up. This is not one of them. Merging... Um... Ok. What'd I miss?
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Post by forgetmenot on Sept 26, 2016 17:22:09 GMT
Its great isn't it! Really made me laugh. I can just imagine Viv saying it exactly how she talked in "Spa Day". I loved that "don't be sad, dear, its spa day!" hahaha funnily enough she was the only one of my inner circle to actually ask how I was doing re Solas and we hated each other! I didn't know she asks you, even if you didn't get along with her. I didn't even know she shows up in Trespasser if you are enemies with her. Were you actually enemies with her or just unfriendly, but not enough to get the furniture scene? Oh yes, she tried her best to piss me off with the furniture scene and it was always very icy after that. She's not far from Cullen in Trespasser, she should show up on your map. I have to admit, that strange moment when the 2 of us were lay down with cheese wheels over our eyes was the first time i felt a genuine connection with her. Ha!
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 26, 2016 17:33:04 GMT
I didn't know she asks you, even if you didn't get along with her. I didn't even know she shows up in Trespasser if you are enemies with her. Were you actually enemies with her or just unfriendly, but not enough to get the furniture scene? Oh yes, she tried her best to piss me off with the furniture scene and it was always very icy after that. She's not far from Cullen in Trespasser, she should show up on your map. I have to admit, that strange moment when the 2 of us were lay down with cheese wheels over our eyes was the first time i felt a genuine connection with her. Ha! My Lavellan is friends with her, and friends with everyone else for that matter, so I actually haven't experienced Tresspasser without anyone, yet. I gotta start/finish an "assquisitor" run one of these days.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Sept 26, 2016 17:41:54 GMT
Yeah, we're going to keep to the "one thread per topic (or in this case character)" rule for the time being. Certain circumstances may merit multiple threads but we'll deal with those as they come up. This is not one of them. Merging... Um... Ok. What'd I miss? Just merged a redundant thread into this one. The posts are intermingled now. Situation normal. Carry on.
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 26, 2016 19:32:40 GMT
Slightly off-topic but I'm giving Mass Effect another go and, jeez, I forgot how cringey the romance writing gets at points. DA really has the edge there, for all it's faults.
Also I have an abysmal fashion sense but that dress they put Shepard in in 3 is an absolute crime.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 26, 2016 20:30:08 GMT
Slightly off-topic but I'm giving Mass Effect another go and, jeez, I forgot how cringey the romance writing gets at points. DA really has the edge there, for all it's faults. Also I have an abysmal fashion sense but that dress they put Shepard in in 3 is an absolute crime. www.nexusmods.com/masseffect3/mods/427/?^ A buncha clothes for femshep, including the dress Kasumi gave you in 2 replacing the monstrosity you mentioned. You just have to download your preferred mod package and put it in your DLC folder. Read the page, it tells you the differences btwn the packages they offer. You don't have to replace the intro outfit if you don't want to (or you are past that point and don't care), but all the intro packages include all outfits, not just the ones in their titles. If you are on PC, you're welcome. If you are not on PC, I'm sorry for taunting you?
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 26, 2016 20:33:55 GMT
About Solas' race-gated romance, for what it's worth, I'm leaning towards his romance being restricted by budget. Despite what people say about his attitude to the other races, I really don't see him as racist at all. After all, we know that he deeply admires the wisdom/spirit of ALL high-approval Inquisitors, regardless of race or gender. (So how is that racist?) By extension, I think it's reasonable to expect that, unless the elven Inquisitor's spirit is different somehow from that of another race, he could conceivably have found all Inquisitors attractive. Though of course, there's the issue of sexual attraction. I don't think anyone needs to explain that sexual attraction is quite a separate issue from racial/sexual discrimination. We are, quite simply, attracted to the people we're attracted to, and it doesn't mean that we're racist towards the others. I did mention on BSN Prime before that it's quite feasible that Solas might only be attracted to elves because he had spent thousands of years with only elves as sexual partners, and I wouldn't be surprised if he just doesn't see the others in the same light. Also I have an abysmal fashion sense but that dress they put Shepard in in 3 is an absolute crime. Oh yeah, that was embarrassing to say the least. Even worse than beige PJs. I installed only ONE mod for Mass Effect, and it was the expanded wardrobe with party dress replacer for Shepard. Edit: Yeah, the mod AlleluiaElizabeth mentioned. Absolutely awesome, the one essential mod. Oh, that is, aside from the MEHEM mods. (So, yeah, I installed 2 mods).
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 26, 2016 20:34:41 GMT
Just realized I haven't posted here in ages, probably because I don't really have anything to say that hasn't already been said and I would probably just be derailing you guys again as I always do. So, uhm, missed me? ---- Ugh, I can't help myself - am I the only one who thinks it's kinda weird that the people of Thedas have their own calender where every month has an unique name but for some reason their weekdays are the same as ours? I distinctly recall Hawke saying at one point something along the lines of "Abominations and blood mages? Sounds like a Tuesday." ---- Mandatory bunny gif!
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 26, 2016 20:43:12 GMT
I remember Bioware saying Solas' romance was restricted due to story reasons. I think it was Weekes, specifically.
I don't personally have a problem with it. I don't consider a preference for elves, in and of itself, to be racist anymore than I do a man's preference for women to be homophobic.
And if any reluctance to cross species barriers *does* originally stem from the idea that non-ancient elves aren't people, I'd honestly find it believable and understandable given his circumstances. Expected, even.
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