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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 9, 2016 15:00:43 GMT
I knew I would romance Solas as soon as I saw that he would be romanceable. I have a thing for elves..lol. I thought he was really ugly before the game came out, but as soon as I saw him in the game and he started speaking... *fans self* I never found Solas ugly... but then I had a crush on Leonard Nimoy's Spock as a girl, and in one of the early pre-release Solas screen captures, the elf basically looked like a bald Leonard Nimoy's Spock and that was fine with me. I am pretty sure I posted this very same image as a top-of-thread post once, quite a few pages back (it was on a Thursday so I called it Throwback Thursday Solas), but this image is the one I'm talking about... Spock-Solas, you are not at all hard on the eyes.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 9, 2016 15:15:06 GMT
I had no inclination to romance the egg before the game. Especially when the pre-launch screenshots showed him in those crotch-emphasizing longjohns of his. XD (I'm talking more abotu the picture where they're showing him casting Energy Barrage than the one above that ladyiolanthe posted.) So I rolled a qunari mage first. I found Solas extremely interesting to talk to and I found I was really liking this guy. Figured he'd become my bff (and he is basically a mentor to that character). But I didn't really analyze my affection for him in comparison to the other companions. "I like them all," I thought. "Solas is just really smart and cool to talk to." Then his first companion quest happened. And we meet Mihris. And she calls him a "flat-ear" and I nearly break my qunari's neck whipping the camera back around to yell at her. I so wanted there to be an option to confront that woman and use my Intimdating Qunari Height (+Lightning cus mage) to full advantage. I had an extremely visceral reaction to her disparaging Solas, to the point where I shocked myself. I hadn't realized just how attached to the egghead I apparently was. And after that I reasoned, since this was my first playthrough and I'd be experiencing everything for the first time, and I was clearly more attracted to this character than I'd realized (and I hadn't really felt a click with either Bull or Blackwall), I might as well reroll female elf and save my qunari for another day. So, that's what I did. No regrets. lol I had regular chats with a friend of mine over the weeks it took me to finish DAI. She was playing DAO at the time, but doesn't mind spoilers and she was interested in the story of the Solas romance as I described it unfolding, so I kept her informed. I was throwing out random theories by the end of the game about what Solas' deal was. I mean, we all know he makes it obvious he's reluctant for *some* reason. And its clear that reason is not a lack of feeling for you, even in the breakup. (I mean, pick the right options and he still calls you "Vhenan" as he pulls away, for goodness' sake.) I was betting money he was an ancient elf. I had thrown out there that he was actually Fen'Harel cus I'd read TME before the game came out and was fairly certain something Fen'Harel related was gonna play into Inquisition. But I wasn't too convinced of the idea. My friend, by that point, had spoiled herself and was just like "Get through the game please. >_>". Then I finally did, and we see that end credits scene with Flemythal and I completely freaked out. Was back on the messenger immediately, even though it was 3 or something in the morning at that point, and left "I ROMANCED FEN'HAREL!!11" and other semi-coherent screaming for her to see the next time she logged in. I can't imagine how it must have been killing her not to talk about his real identity with me for the several weeks she knew and I didn't. XD
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Post by Catfishers on Sept 9, 2016 15:16:20 GMT
I knew I would romance Solas as soon as I saw that he would be romanceable. I have a thing for elves..lol. I thought he was really ugly before the game came out, but as soon as I saw him in the game and he started speaking... *fans self* I remember everyone was talking sooooo much shit about him until they saw him in game... Proof that swagger and confidence matters more than anything. Not to mention that accent.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 9, 2016 15:22:59 GMT
I also wish our Inquisitors could have had the option to call Mihris on her casual racism! Like, lady, that is not cool. I'm Dalish like you and you are giving us a bad name! Especially having had the early conversations with Solas where he is a bit of a jerk toward Lavellan because he has had bad experiences with other Dalish. Stop perpetuating stereotypes!
Then maybe there'd be a few less Lavellan-haters saying all Dalish are racist jerks. Mine certainly wasn't.
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Post by Garnet on Sept 9, 2016 15:58:12 GMT
I never saw Solas (or anything else) before playing DA:I. He was really weird looking to me at first and I remember thinking, "Why is this guy so cheerful when there's a giant hole in the sky and demons all over the place?" But I ended up really liking his character, fell in love with his voice, and grew to adore his looks in the end. (He's smooth. He wasn't supposed to be so smooth!) Then the fade kiss happened but I waited to romance him in my second play-through because ANFFH bugged out and I didn't realize it until it was too late to go back. ..And now the hellspiral is real.
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Post by CapricornSun on Sept 9, 2016 16:12:38 GMT
I originally planned to romance Cullen as well, but then I saw that scene on the trailer where Solas is leading you to Skyhold and I was like whoa! I hope he's a romance option (I'm weird I know) I also went into the game with the original plan of either romancing Cullen or Blackwall. I wasn't really interested in romancing Solas at first because I initially thought he looked kinda funny. (Please don't kill me, those early shots of him were really not flattering xD.) But then when I actually met him in-game, I thought he looked kinda cute and I loved the sound of his voice; plus all the Fade and elfy stuff intrigued me. And since I played a Lavellan, I thought I'd flirt with him a bit until it reached to the point where Fade kiss happened... Then the rest is history. And here I am now.
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Post by Ondine on Sept 9, 2016 16:33:35 GMT
I also started with romancing Cullen in mind but then... well, HE CHANGED EVERYTHING. When he said "My name is Solas, if there are to be introductions" I thought "wait, but you're hot. wtf." and then I met hell.
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 9, 2016 16:37:01 GMT
I remember everyone was talking sooooo much shit about him until they saw him in game... Proof that swagger and confidence matters more than anything. Not to mention that accent. Oh yes. The Voice. I started out with a Trevelyan, and when I heard his voice I immediately looked for a mod to let her romance him. Then halfway through the game, I gave up and made a Lavellan for the romance, and she became my canon Inquisitor. But of course it's not just the voice, I loved his intellectual personality, his wisdom and his thoughtful way of speaking. Like ladyiolanthe, I saw him as the perfect man. Well, aside from all the destroying the world bs of course.
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 9, 2016 16:41:56 GMT
And when you were able to romance Morrigan, she was much younger. She was only in her 20s or so herself in DAO. I find Cassandra to be an attractive and confident older woman, and she does have her wise moments. But I can see that her devoutness and piety may make her less appealing, especially to people who are playing non-Andrastians. My characters are always non-Andrastian, but I would have loved to romance her if she was available as a bi option. I never really saw her as imposing her religious views on my character. Has she ever done that? I also started with romancing Cullen in mind but then... well, HE CHANGED EVERYTHING. When he said "My name is Solas, if there are to be introductions" I thought "wait, but you're hot. wtf." and then I met hell. ^That was me
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 9, 2016 16:45:34 GMT
I also wish our Inquisitors could have had the option to call Mihris on her casual racism! Like, lady, that is not cool. I'm Dalish like you and you are giving us a bad name! Especially having had the early conversations with Solas where he is a bit of a jerk toward Lavellan because he has had bad experiences with other Dalish. Stop perpetuating stereotypes! Then maybe there'd be a few less Lavellan-haters saying all Dalish are racist jerks. Mine certainly wasn't.Yeah, Mihris was *not* helping things with that attitude. And when we were helping her out, too! That was what got to me even more. I mean, first off she's insulting my friend, which ticked me off. And she's doing it as she's asking him to move rubble for her. I mean, the nerve of that woman. I had Rinata (my Lavellan) react with the angry option to Solas in that first interactive banter b/c, well, she was having a bad morning for obvious reasons. lol But she felt bad later. Heck she half felt bad at the time. But she didn't call Solas a flat-ear. She doesn't even call humans "shems". So, yeah, wanted to turn around and backslap Mihris in both playthroughs. And honestly, as a player, I was with Solas in the "the Dalish are jerks" camp b/c, due to previous experience, they mostly were if you weren't Dalish. There were exceptions in both games, of course. And there were cases where people started off as jerks to you, but let you prove yourself. But "an insulated society that tended to treat outsiders with hostility, usually unwarranted in my case," was the impression I had of the Dalish. You can even tell Solas that the hunters of your clan are like that, if you choose. So, assuming all the available options you can say about your clan are canon, which I do since I don't think any of them technically contradict one another, even poor Keeper Deshanna has to suffer these fools. I mean, she sounds amazing, imo. But her leadership apparently doesn't make Clan Lavellan free of Dalish jerkiness. They just don't get to act on it nearly as much. That's why I love sending Cullen's troops to save the clan. The description of the Dalish warriors being shocked to see these people(mostly humans, I assume) in fancy armor emerge and run past them to help fight off the bandits is a priceless mental image to me. And it lets me headcanon that maybe those hunters you can mention who go on about shems start to change their tunes a bit. A good bridge to the Clan becoming involved in liberating Wycome later and working for and with the entire population there, not just the city elves.
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Post by Ondine on Sept 9, 2016 16:55:24 GMT
Oh, Solas voice is just... omfg. I mean, Solas character is amazing. He's a bit like Thane: I can't think about other bioware characters that, you know, fill his role. He's gentle, kind (in the crestwood breakup, when the inquisitor choose the flirt option "interesting!" and he says "I shall bear that in mind" i'm like!!!omfg!!gfsdgkaçflsk HOW CAN YOU BE SO CUTE AND DEARING) but he's also confident in a, well, really hot way. He's smart, and he knows it. I mean, in the ball scene, when he's kinda drunk already and he asks for a dance... He isn't cute like "may I have this dance?" he says "Come, dance with me." And omfg. SOLAS. WHY ARE U SO HOT....
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Post by lynroy on Sept 9, 2016 17:07:43 GMT
I also went into the game with the original plan of either romancing Cullen or Blackwall. I wasn't really interested in romancing Solas at first because I initially thought he looked kinda funny. (Please don't kill me, those early shots of him were really not flattering xD.) But then when I actually met him in-game, I thought he looked kinda cute and I loved the sound of his voice; plus all the Fade and elfy stuff intrigued me. And since I played a Lavellan, I thought I'd flirt with him a bit until it reached to the point where Fade kiss happened... Then the rest is history. And here I am now. Mmmm dat Fade kiss is glorious.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Sept 9, 2016 17:17:16 GMT
I also went into the game with the original plan of either romancing Cullen or Blackwall. I wasn't really interested in romancing Solas at first because I initially thought he looked kinda funny. (Please don't kill me, those early shots of him were really not flattering xD.) But then when I actually met him in-game, I thought he looked kinda cute and I loved the sound of his voice; plus all the Fade and elfy stuff intrigued me. And since I played a Lavellan, I thought I'd flirt with him a bit until it reached to the point where Fade kiss happened... Then the rest is history. And here I am now. Mmmm dat Fade kiss is glorious. Solas has some moves. It seems like he doesn't want and then BAM. I likey.
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Post by lynroy on Sept 9, 2016 17:21:55 GMT
He does admit he shouldn't have encourage it. ToP: "You say that but you're the one who started with tongue."
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Post by Ondine on Sept 9, 2016 17:24:58 GMT
Mmm. I was browsing my tumblr tag and found some interesting ideas:
Ok, so I’m going to prefix my answer here with the fact that we don’t know all the details of this plan yet so I’m not fully prepared to commit, but what information we do have is conflicting at best, and doesn’t indicate the kind of total annihilation Solas is predicting.
What Solas says: the modern elves are not his people and his plan is to destroy the world to save the elvhen (his people, wherever they are).
What the games have said over the course of the series:
Most recently in this DLC, all of the ancient elf spirits, wisdom spirits etc call Lavellan ‘honored elvhen’ The crossroads visibly present differently to elven inquisitors in both the dlc and the main game. All elves are able to move through the eluvians as easily ancient elves ancient elves (TME). That has to do with recognising (ancient) elven magic. The eluvians think they’re elvhen. Kieran says the Dalish inquisitor’s blood is very old. Gaider in trying to explain why elf genetics can’t be passed on effectively said it was to do with magic that was dormant, not missing. There is a specific codex entry you find in the fade portion of the main game talking about how Cory and the magisters used a whole bunch of elven servants specifically to crack open the fade the first time. One presumes, because their magic is still the same/similar enough to that one the ancient elves / Solas who made the damn thing in the first place. The mage-future we saw in game was unacceptable to Solas, so one assumes it is worse in varying ways than what he has planned. Not everyone was dead instantly as far as we could see, the bigger problem was Corypheus and red lyrium everywhere. He’s seen both sides of history, and he’s not into causing pain without a reasonable pay off. Which says something about the current state of the world. SANDAL’S PROPHECY. All the elves are migrating. I want to know what he told the Dalish elves to convince them following Fen’harel was a good idea. The long and short of all of this is I a) think Solas might be wrong about the modern elves being so different from the ancient elves and it’s arrogance talking. He’s theorising total destruction as worst case scenario, but we’ve seen worst case before, and it wasn’t total destruction in the way he’s describing.
The current world is broken. People are already dying. Genocide is already happening. Spirits are suffering and becoming corrupt. Not going through with Solas’s plan isn’t going to make these things better.
I may be slightly very biased in my wanting to return the elves (and presumably the dwarves) to their original states, but we also don’t have any evidence so far that it would doom humans / qunari / other races either: they all existed pre-veil as well, and we don’t know what they potentially lost as a result.
My theory in the ‘destruction’ kind of sense is that yes things will be destroyed but not in quite the way most people assume. As in things will be remade, rejoined, and reshaped. They will cease to exist in their current form. But that doesn’t mean they cease to exist altogether. If saving the world meant that the minds of everyone were permanently changed (without their permission) to a state they were supposedly meant to exist in, is it worth it? Maybe. That is the question isn’t it?
Overall, my biggest qualm is that it’s one of Solas’s plans, which historically haven’t always had the best outcomes. But maybe three time’s the charm? I’m not ready to vilify it without further information, given the potential it has to heal (and there’s no present alternative that seems to offer this in the slightest).
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Post by bella on Sept 9, 2016 17:30:24 GMT
Mmmm dat Fade kiss is glorious. Well damn.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 9, 2016 18:02:36 GMT
Ondine: I happen to agree with that Tumblr post that I think Solas' pride has blinded him to the fact that the modern elves really are not so different from his elves at all. I also ascribe to the theory that elves are embodied spirits - even modern elves. My pet theory is that they still have spirits but the Veil has made it impossible or nearly impossible for the modern elves to be conscious of this aspect of themselves.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 9, 2016 18:41:11 GMT
That's fascinating Ondine, if the elven traits in elf blooded children are not being expressed because it's the magic that lays dormant would that mean that it's possible that should the Veil be gone, elf blooded children may manifest elven traits?
*Also, when this thread hits 100 pages, will there be a temporary title change? That'd be neat*
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 9, 2016 18:50:09 GMT
I also wish our Inquisitors could have had the option to call Mihris on her casual racism! Like, lady, that is not cool. I'm Dalish like you and you are giving us a bad name! Especially having had the early conversations with Solas where he is a bit of a jerk toward Lavellan because he has had bad experiences with other Dalish. Stop perpetuating stereotypes! Then maybe there'd be a few less Lavellan-haters saying all Dalish are racist jerks. Mine certainly wasn't.You know, I've always wanted to read a Solavellan fic that deals with a Lavellan being racist against Solas. Like, Lavellans seem to always come in two different varieties: the "The Dalish are completely justified in themselves and you, Solas, are the racist one who should be less of an ass" and then the "The Dalish are unjustified, but Lavellan sees the error of their ways and does not succumb to them." I want to see a Solavellan fic where the Dalish ARE unjustified, but Lavellan sides with them anyway, and the early romance is her seeing new perspectives and learning to not discriminate against Solas for being a "flat-ear." I feel like it ties in a bit better with his story, too - it demonstrates that ability of modern people to change, and his ability to help them change. That this woman who is supposedly a lost cause, can come to see wrong and attempt to correct it - and so, maybe everyone else can, too. It would nicely parallel him rethinking and abandoning his own prejudices as well. But I don't think I've ever really seen that. I dunno, I've noticed that most fic writers are reluctant to put their PC in the wrong. Ondine: I happen to agree with that Tumblr post that I think Solas' pride has blinded him to the fact that the modern elves really are not so different from his elves at all. I also ascribe to the theory that elves are embodied spirits - even modern elves. My pet theory is that they still have spirits but the Veil has made it impossible or nearly impossible for the modern elves to be conscious of this aspect of themselves. He does come around, though. That's whole point of his arc in Inquisition - that he begins to see he was wrong for dismissing modern people and that they are just as valid as his own. Which is another big reason I don't really buy the "Solas is just doing this because he's guilty/nostalgic/racist" thing. If he were STILL motivated solely by the thinking of "Modern people aren't really people, mine were so much better and I'll kill everyone just for the chance to bring them back" than he basically didn't have an arc at all in Inquisition.
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Post by Catfishers on Sept 9, 2016 19:01:32 GMT
He does come around, though. That's whole point of his arc in Inquisition - that he begins to see he was wrong for dismissing modern people and that they are just as valid as his own. Which is another big reason I don't really buy the "Solas is just doing this because he's guilty/nostalgic/racist" thing. If he were STILL motivated solely by the thinking of "Modern people aren't really people, mine were so much better and I'll kill everyone just for the chance to bring them back" than he basically didn't have an arc at all in Inquisition. I think it's like... gone beyond him doing it due to nostalgia, or because he thinks the new world is wrong. I think he's literally just trapped himself into it because he believes it's his duty to fix his error. His actions destroyed his entire culture, leaving who knows how many Elvhen dead or trapped. He needs to make it right for them, and to choose not to would be like betraying them all over again. Imagine accidentally destroying most of the world and then eons later coming back and finding it changed, even if you knew that the new version was unique and valuable in it's own right, wouldn't it feel like you were betraying everyone whose lives you'd ruined if there remained a possibility to undo what you'd done? And if you just ignored that possibility because you had come to love the new world? It'd be an uncomfortable place to be; trapped between doing the right thing for the people you'd hurt, or hurting new people to make it right. I don't know, I think it's all very tragic.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 9, 2016 19:35:15 GMT
He does come around, though. That's whole point of his arc in Inquisition - that he begins to see he was wrong for dismissing modern people and that they are just as valid as his own. Which is another big reason I don't really buy the "Solas is just doing this because he's guilty/nostalgic/racist" thing. If he were STILL motivated solely by the thinking of "Modern people aren't really people, mine were so much better and I'll kill everyone just for the chance to bring them back" than he basically didn't have an arc at all in Inquisition. While I agree that he has begun to see that modern people are as valuable as the ancient ones if you were friendly with him, his own words in Trespasser suggest that he has not come around completely. He *is* willing to do something that he himself thinks is awful in order to return people to the way they were before he went to sleep for several thousand years. Yes, his job is now that much harder for him because he has learned that there is some value to modern people. But if he truly valued them as much as he values the ancient people, then he should realize that he cannot go forward with his plan, unless there is another reason behind it that he does not tell us about. But if there's another reason - a more noble one say, like it needs to be done to save the world from the Blight, or it needs to be done because the world will, in fact, fall apart if it continues to grow less and less magical, why wouldn't he tell us that? He could save himself a lot of trouble if he just told our Inquisitors that he has to do this to save the world, not just to restore the elven people. Hell, some of our Inquisitors would even willingly help him, I bet, if this was the only way that we could spare anyone from ever having to face another Blight or the only way that we could keep the world going for generations to come. Supposing that you are right, what do you think his motivation is for going forward with tearing down the Veil to restore 'his people' if it isn't guilt, nostalgia or arrogance?
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Post by Solas on Sept 9, 2016 19:46:21 GMT
Dang yall move fast! Hey everyone, new BSNs not too bad after all. Killabee mah duuuude
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 9, 2016 19:57:11 GMT
He does come around, though. That's whole point of his arc in Inquisition - that he begins to see he was wrong for dismissing modern people and that they are just as valid as his own. Which is another big reason I don't really buy the "Solas is just doing this because he's guilty/nostalgic/racist" thing. If he were STILL motivated solely by the thinking of "Modern people aren't really people, mine were so much better and I'll kill everyone just for the chance to bring them back" than he basically didn't have an arc at all in Inquisition. While I agree that he has begun to see that modern people are as valuable as the ancient ones if you were friendly with him, his own words in Trespasser suggest that he has not come around completely. He *is* willing to do something that he himself thinks is awful in order to return people to the way they were before he went to sleep for several thousand years. Yes, his job is now that much harder for him because he has learned that there is some value to modern people. But if he truly valued them as much as he values the ancient people, then he should realize that he cannot go forward with his plan, unless there is another reason behind it that he does not tell us about. But if there's another reason - a more noble one say, like it needs to be done to save the world from the Blight, or it needs to be done because the world will, in fact, fall apart if it continues to grow less and less magical, why wouldn't he tell us that? He could save himself a lot of trouble if he just told our Inquisitors that he has to do this to save the world, not just to restore the elven people. Hell, some of our Inquisitors would even willingly help him, I bet, if this was the only way that we could spare anyone from ever having to face another Blight or the only way that we could keep the world going for generations to come. Supposing that you are right, what do you think his motivation is for going forward with tearing down the Veil to restore people's conscious connection to the Fade if it isn't guilt or nostalgia? I can't imagine this will be a popular statement, but I do actually believe Solas is more logical than emotional - that the entire romance is proof of how his logical mind tends to war with, and eventually win out over his emotional heart. He's not prone to acting on random sentiment or irrationality. Weekes himself said that Solas is ruthless and pragmatic rather than idealistic, he likes to think things through, and appreciates Inquisitors who also consider their thoughts and actions instead of making snap emotional decisions. Similarly, Weekes has also said Solas is a character who does the wrong things for the right reasons. To me, that's the mark of a logical character. One who doesn't operate or make decisions on sentiment or emotion. His logic can be flawed, of course. Low Approval Solas is proof of that. The Veil is proof of that. But nonetheless, I don't think he'd set himself on any major course of action without putting his feelings aside and considering the logic of the course. If he believes there is not something of real and material value to be gained from an action, especially when it is so high-cost and so wide-reaching, so serious in it's consequences, then he will not take it. Soothing his guilt, indulging his nostalgia, these are all things that do not have real and material value. So I don't think these are things that would really motivate him. But mostly? It's because Solas himself basically straight up says "I have a good reason, but I'm not telling you." In Trespasser you can ask him why this world needs to die for his plans to be carried out, and he refuses to say. When he pressed, he explains that he cannot tell you because, in his exact words, "then you would bear the same burden I do." I believe that dialogue can only be seen with a romanced Lavellan, but we can probably extrapolate that reasoning to all friendly Inquisitors (It is more or less the same reason he gives Cole before memory wiping him.) As for low-approval Quizzies - he may not trust them to comprehend the full picture, and besides, in those routes he doesn't see them as worth saving anyway. But I don't know, maybe I'm just seeing what I want to. I believe I said waaaay back when Trespasser released that I don't fully understand his whole motivation, and I still don't. But I don't think anyone else really does, either. Well except for Weekes, of course.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 9, 2016 20:01:39 GMT
I also wish our Inquisitors could have had the option to call Mihris on her casual racism! Like, lady, that is not cool. I'm Dalish like you and you are giving us a bad name! Especially having had the early conversations with Solas where he is a bit of a jerk toward Lavellan because he has had bad experiences with other Dalish. Stop perpetuating stereotypes! Then maybe there'd be a few less Lavellan-haters saying all Dalish are racist jerks. Mine certainly wasn't.You know, I've always wanted to read a Solavellan fic that deals with a Lavellan being racist against Solas. Like, Lavellans seem to always come in two different varieties: the "The Dalish are completely justified in themselves and you, Solas, are the racist one who should be less of an ass" and then the "The Dalish are unjustified, but Lavellan sees the error of their ways and does not succumb to them." I want to see a Solavellan fic where the Dalish ARE unjustified, but Lavellan sides with them anyway, and the early romance is her seeing new perspectives and learning to not discriminate against Solas for being a "flat-ear." I feel like it ties in a bit better with his story, too - it demonstrates that ability of modern people to change, and his ability to help them change. That this woman who is supposedly a lost cause, can come to see wrong and attempt to correct it - and so, maybe everyone else can, too. It would nicely parallel him rethinking and abandoning his own prejudices as well. But I don't think I've ever really seen that. I dunno, I've noticed that most fic writers are reluctant to put their PC in the wrong. Ondine: I happen to agree with that Tumblr post that I think Solas' pride has blinded him to the fact that the modern elves really are not so different from his elves at all. I also ascribe to the theory that elves are embodied spirits - even modern elves. My pet theory is that they still have spirits but the Veil has made it impossible or nearly impossible for the modern elves to be conscious of this aspect of themselves. He does come around, though. That's whole point of his arc in Inquisition - that he begins to see he was wrong for dismissing modern people and that they are just as valid as his own. Which is another big reason I don't really buy the "Solas is just doing this because he's guilty/nostalgic/racist" thing. If he were STILL motivated solely by the thinking of "Modern people aren't really people, mine were so much better and I'll kill everyone just for the chance to bring them back" than he basically didn't have an arc at all in Inquisition. First bit: So, a Pride and Prejudice kind of thing? I'm sure there are AUs in that vein, but it wouldn't surprise me if they don't follow through all the way on the Lavellan end. There have been a few fics where *I* think Lavellan is at least partially in the wrong, but the author doesn't seem to be going that direction. lol As for canon-compliant stuff, you might be less likely to see that just due to the nature of Lavellan's role. We know Deshanna sent them, we know Deshanna encourages more interaction with the world outside the clan. Its harder to see her sending a more prejudiced member of the clan to go off and interact with the greater world on their own. At least to me. But, you could definitely justify the roleplaying of it if you chose, and portray that in a fic. Just saying why I think its not going to be common. Second bit: I don't think its accurate to lump "guilty" in with "mostalgic/racist" as motivations. His relationship with the Inquisitor determines whether he goes through his "you are really people" arc or not. So the nostalgia/racism/elitism/arrogance angle is circumstance-based. But if he's acting out of guilt, he can and will still act, whether he sees the current people as people or not. Guilt being a primary factor in his motivation doesn't negate his character arc. I think it's like... gone beyond him doing it due to nostalgia, or because he thinks the new world is wrong. I think he's literally just trapped himself into it because he believes it's his duty to fix his error. His actions destroyed his entire culture, leaving who knows how many Elvhen dead or trapped. He needs to make it right for them, and to choose not to would be like betraying them all over again. Imagine accidentally destroying most of the world and then eons later coming back and finding it changed, even if you knew that the new version was unique and valuable in it's own right, wouldn't it feel like you were betraying everyone whose lives you'd ruined if there remained a possibility to undo what you'd done? And if you just ignored that possibility because you had come to love the new world? It'd be an uncomfortable place to be; trapped between doing the right thing for the people you'd hurt, or hurting new people to make it right. I don't know, I think it's all very tragic. ^This. I don't see Solas' situation as any more or less complicated than the above at the moment. I don't think there's some hidden danger he's saving the world from that he just fails to mention or anything else. Its duty, plain and simple. Personal responsibility and obligation to correct a past wrong while it can still be corrected. He simply can't not fix it. In his view, he has no right to stop. Its why I think we aren't going to be able to convince him fullstop not to do it. We're going to have to find a compromise, either in method or in end results, or we're gonna have to kill him.
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