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Post by Crim on Sept 26, 2016 20:46:20 GMT
I swear the mods here have moved a thread into this thread, I got a like for a post that I made somewhere else. I didn't post it in here. Spooky.
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Post by Elessara on Sept 26, 2016 20:59:21 GMT
I swear the mods here have moved a thread into this thread, I got a like for a post that I made somewhere else. I didn't post it in here. Spooky. They did. They merged an apparently separate thread about Solas into this one. Redundancy issues aside, I really wish they *wouldn't* do that. It's confusing and annoying. Edit to add: Mostly because all of a sudden there are random posts appearing that weren't here before and the topic of the new post gets lost because it was merged into order according to the date/time it was originally posted and there have been quite a few posts in this thread since that other thread was first posted. If it's such an issue they should have just locked the new one with a polite message to use existing threads if possible.
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Post by Elessara on Sept 26, 2016 21:00:23 GMT
Just realized I haven't posted here in ages, probably because I don't really have anything to say that hasn't already been said and I would probably just be derailing you guys again as I always do. So, uhm, missed me? ---- Ugh, I can't help myself - am I the only one who thinks it's kinda weird that the people of Thedas have their own calender where every month has an unique name but for some reason their weekdays are the same as ours? I distinctly recall Hawke saying at one point something along the lines of "Abominations and blood mages? Sounds like a Tuesday." ---- Mandatory bunny gif! Of course we missed you! And pfft, I swear tripping over abominations and blood mages happened *every* day in Kirkwall.
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Post by Crim on Sept 26, 2016 21:15:44 GMT
I swear the mods here have moved a thread into this thread, I got a like for a post that I made somewhere else. I didn't post it in here. Spooky. They did. They merged an apparently separate thread about Solas into this one. Redundancy issues aside, I really wish they *wouldn't* do that. It's confusing and annoying. Edit to add: Mostly because all of a sudden there are random posts appearing that weren't here before and the originally question gets lost because it was merged into order according to the date/time it was originally posted and there have been quite a few posts in this thread since that other thread was first posted. If it's such an issue they should have just locked the new one with a polite message to use existing threads if possible. That must indeed be annoying for folk in here, messes up the whole flow of y'all's convos and such. Now I feel like I'm gatecrashing in here. source
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 26, 2016 21:30:18 GMT
Slightly off-topic but I'm giving Mass Effect another go and, jeez, I forgot how cringey the romance writing gets at points. DA really has the edge there, for all it's faults. Also I have an abysmal fashion sense but that dress they put Shepard in in 3 is an absolute crime. www.nexusmods.com/masseffect3/mods/427/?^ A buncha clothes for femshep, including the dress Kasumi gave you in 2 replacing the monstrosity you mentioned. You just have to download your preferred mod package and put it in your DLC folder. Read the page, it tells you the differences btwn the packages they offer. You don't have to replace the intro outfit if you don't want to (or you are past that point and don't care), but all the intro packages include all outfits, not just the ones in their titles. If you are on PC, you're welcome. If you are not on PC, I'm sorry for taunting you? I'm on 360. How dare you, madam, I am offended. About Solas' race-gated romance, for what it's worth, I'm leaning towards his romance being restricted by budget. Despite what people say about his attitude to the other races, I really don't see him as racist at all. After all, we know that he deeply admires the wisdom/spirit of ALL high-approval Inquisitors, regardless of race or gender. (So how is that racist?) By extension, I think it's reasonable to expect that, unless the elven Inquisitor's spirit is different somehow from that of another race, he could conceivably have found all Inquisitors attractive. Though of course, there's the issue of sexual attraction. I don't think anyone needs to explain that sexual attraction is quite a separate issue from racial/sexual discrimination. We are, quite simply, attracted to the people we're attracted to, and it doesn't mean that we're racist towards the others. I did mention on BSN Prime before that it's quite feasible that Solas might only be attracted to elves because he had spent thousands of years with only elves as sexual partners, and I wouldn't be surprised if he just doesn't see the others in the same light. Also I have an abysmal fashion sense but that dress they put Shepard in in 3 is an absolute crime. Oh yeah, that was embarrassing to say the least. Even worse than beige PJs. I installed only ONE mod for Mass Effect, and it was the expanded wardrobe with party dress replacer for Shepard. Edit: Yeah, the mod AlleluiaElizabeth mentioned. Absolutely awesome, the one essential mod. Oh, that is, aside from the MEHEM mods. (So, yeah, I installed 2 mods). "Story reasons" is the official explanation for why Solas is gated, but as I recall it is partially to do with budget. I remember reading an interview from Weekes where he said that he showed the script for the Solas romance to Mark Darrah, and Darrah said "We only have budget to do female elves" and Weekes responded with "Well that's who I wrote it for." So it was a bit of both, yes. Cullen, on the other hand, was probably gated entirely due to budget. I don't see much about his romance that's tailored to humans/elves, and they probably figured that dwarves and Qunari would be the least played races. As for Solas' racism - he makes a pretty racist comment about the Qunari, but then outright contradicts it in a banter to Bull, so I've never been sure what to make of that. He also tells Sera if she's dating Lavellan that it's "natural" for her to desire another elf - other than that, I can't really think of anything he said that's racist against a particular race. He just seems prejudiced against modern people in general.
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Post by Elessara on Sept 26, 2016 21:31:03 GMT
They did. They merged an apparently separate thread about Solas into this one. Redundancy issues aside, I really wish they *wouldn't* do that. It's confusing and annoying. Edit to add: Mostly because all of a sudden there are random posts appearing that weren't here before and the originally question gets lost because it was merged into order according to the date/time it was originally posted and there have been quite a few posts in this thread since that other thread was first posted. If it's such an issue they should have just locked the new one with a polite message to use existing threads if possible. That must indeed be annoying for folk in here, messes up the whole flow of y'all's convos and such. Now I feel like I'm gatecrashing in here. sourceWe tend to have more than one conversation going on at the same time but yeah having some post get dropped into the middle of the thread with a random comment without the post they're responding to being quoted is disorienting. Like that one post I read last page, I think the guy said, "He is as exciting as dirt." .... Ok so I'm going to assume he's talking about Solas since this is the Solas thread but with just that comment getting dropped in with no context it looks like a troll post so I ignored it. Knowing now that another thread was merged in I realise that poster was responding to some one else's question that got lost one or more pages back and they probably weren't trolling at all. And it's not even that the other poster obviously doesn't like Solas - that's fine. We'll discuss his flaws here no problem as long as it's done in a civil manner. Sorry, got a little ranty there. Anyway, you're welcome whenever you like, no gatecrashing required. And .. *looks at pic* .. all I can say is, at least they didn't use plaidweave?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 21:34:25 GMT
I apologize for asking the mods to merge an entire topic devoted to "is Solas cool now".
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Post by Elessara on Sept 26, 2016 21:40:42 GMT
I apologize for asking the mods to merge an entire topic devoted to "is Solas cool now". Eh, I know I'm getting kind of het up about this ... I'm not annoyed at *you*! It does make sense to keep character related topics in a specific thread although I can also see why the OP of the other thread wanted to poll the community in general rather than just a thread where most people already like him. It was the mod's decision to merge or to lock. I just personally think they made the wrong choice.
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Post by Crim on Sept 26, 2016 21:45:50 GMT
I apologize for asking the mods to merge an entire topic devoted to "is Solas cool now". I'm just confused by the whole thing, feels like I got lost on my way to the bathroom.
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Post by Elessara on Sept 26, 2016 21:48:12 GMT
I apologize for asking the mods to merge an entire topic devoted to "is Solas cool now". I'm just confused by the whole thing, feels like I got lost on my way to the bathroom. At least it doesn't feel like you wandered into the wrong bathroom!
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Post by Crim on Sept 26, 2016 21:54:05 GMT
I'm just confused by the whole thing, feels like I got lost on my way to the bathroom. At least it doesn't feel like you wandered into the wrong bathroom! True. And sometimes those lines are just too long, f*ck it! I'm using the men's bathroom.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 21:57:11 GMT
I apologize for asking the mods to merge an entire topic devoted to "is Solas cool now". Eh, I know I'm getting kind of het up about this ... I'm not annoyed at *you*! It does make sense to keep character related topics in a specific thread although I can also see why the OP of the other thread wanted to poll the community in general rather than just a thread where most people already like him. It was the mod's decision to merge or to lock. I just personally think they made the wrong choice. I agree a general poll would be fine, but that is not at all how the topic title read. It was explicitly character discussion. /done being a pedant today
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Post by Solas on Sept 26, 2016 22:03:03 GMT
Um... Ok. What'd I miss? Just merged a redundant thread into this one. The posts are intermingled now. Situation normal. Carry on. thanks for explaining what happened cricket
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 26, 2016 22:22:39 GMT
So, I just finished the Nature of the Beast Quest in Origins. And gotta say... the way the scene played out, with Zathrain sacrificing himself to end the curse to help out all parties involved... seriously made me think this was how it was going to play out with Solas come DA4. They both had bald heads. Thought they knew better. Had centuries long opinions on a matter dear to their heart. Omg you're right. both bald heads.. and is it just my imagination or do they have the same staff? I am not sure if I wanna think about D4 or not. I am afraid of that what could happen to solas. my bf doesn't play DA but depending on how often I play it .. he already knows the main story ( I tell him about characters and so on). when I told him about my fav romance .. of course solavellan he didn't understand what ppl like about him. I also have to say he doesn't know every detail of the game. he asked my why ppl like such a racist. that was his first question after I explained to him that only a female elf can romance him. furthermore I told him about the trespasser thing and he was really convinced that solas is a racist (because of what he wants to do ...). I mean .. don't think so. is it so reprehensible that solas only likes female elfs? I guess you cannot simply call it racism, the whole story about him is too complex. I tried to explain my bf the elven history a bit .. but my bf was still not convinced. The sheer volume of strange posts showing up out of nowhere was confusing. I believe I have my bearings, now. The idea that Solas, an ancient elf only recently reawakened, is racist due to not being sexually attracted to females outside his own species, is ridiculous. I'm not sure it even bears argument. His desire to kill the world does, though. He clearly shows himself to be a caring, kind, conscientious person throughout the entire journey. He holds people of quality, regardless of race/species, in high regard. Once the cards are all on the table, he even explains his twisted logic in trying to make the world as good a place as possible before he destroys it. Solas isn't a racist. He's consumed by guilt and regret. He was once a great person. He was given a place among the "gods", and scorned it to fight for freedom for the common people. That took tremendous humility and courage. (I suspect some of his pupils became the Forgotten Ones, the Evanuris' rival gods that threatened the world. It's conjecture, thus the parentheses. At any rate...) When the fight for "freedom" became a fight that threatened the world, he again took action. Unfortunately, in trying to save the world, he destroyed nearly everyone and everything. Imagine a sensitive, caring soul watching their world burn, and knowing they were responsible. That's bound to do some damage. Now, he awakens to find the world a mess. (His dreaming had already shown him as much.) Plus, it truly is a very pale reflection of what it could be if the Veil were not in place. So, he's convinced himself that burning another world is for the best. He knows it won't right the wrongs. He knows it means millions more deaths on his hands. You can hear the pain and regret in his words and tone. He admits it's terrible. Still, he intends to destroy the Veil, regardless. He's not a racist. He's a once heroic person ruined by tragedy and regret. I long thought that The Glorious Strategist was BioWare's best villain. Now, it's Solas by a long, long divide. He's not just a masterful villain, but a friend. Replaying the game with full knowledge of his identity, one can hear so much in nearly every interaction, whether with the Inquisitor or with others. Even knowing his identity as the chief adversary, I can't help but still view him as a friend the entire time he's with us. Such a well written character.
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Post by NightSymphony on Sept 27, 2016 1:21:30 GMT
Alright, I was going to make a whole new elf. A rogue who hates humans and is really bitchy. She does not want to be there!! She just wants to go home!! But, after months of playing with sliders and mods I just couldn't make an elf I was happy with, so I just created Atisha again. She's a mage again, nice, sweet and wants to help everyone. Exactly the same, personality wise. *sighs* I'm stuck. lol..anyway, I made a comparison of my original Atisha with the new one. I feel like sharing.
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Post by lynroy on Sept 27, 2016 1:41:18 GMT
We tend to have more than one conversation going on at the same time but yeah having some post get dropped into the middle of the thread with a random comment without the post they're responding to being quoted is disorienting. Like that one post I read last page, I think the guy said, "He is as exciting as dirt." .... Ok so I'm going to assume he's talking about Solas since this is the Solas thread but with just that comment getting dropped in with no context it looks like a troll post so I ignored it. Knowing now that another thread was merged in I realise that poster was responding to some one else's question that got lost one or more pages back and they probably weren't trolling at all. And it's not even that the other poster obviously doesn't like Solas - that's fine. We'll discuss his flaws here no problem as long as it's done in a civil manner. Sorry, got a little ranty there. Anyway, you're welcome whenever you like, no gatecrashing required. And .. *looks at pic* .. all I can say is, at least they didn't use plaidweave? Nothing wrong with plaideweave.
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Post by phoray on Sept 27, 2016 2:23:27 GMT
So, today I listened/read a fan theory that Solas could have been Shartan. That he's already tried to help fix the world with bringing his people out of slavery via Andraste, went back to sleep, woke up again, saw it was an even bigger mess of less magical awesome, and he's called it quits and it's gotta burn.
There's even some DAI artwork that shows Shartan as a bald elf with an orb.
Of course, we all know there is more than one orb, so maybe Shartan just happened to get his hands on one to make the Earthquakes and the rain and the drought to help win the war.
Thoughts?
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Post by lilyenachaos on Sept 27, 2016 2:48:03 GMT
We tend to have more than one conversation going on at the same time but yeah having some post get dropped into the middle of the thread with a random comment without the post they're responding to being quoted is disorienting. Like that one post I read last page, I think the guy said, "He is as exciting as dirt." .... Ok so I'm going to assume he's talking about Solas since this is the Solas thread but with just that comment getting dropped in with no context it looks like a troll post so I ignored it. Knowing now that another thread was merged in I realise that poster was responding to some one else's question that got lost one or more pages back and they probably weren't trolling at all. And it's not even that the other poster obviously doesn't like Solas - that's fine. We'll discuss his flaws here no problem as long as it's done in a civil manner. Sorry, got a little ranty there. Anyway, you're welcome whenever you like, no gatecrashing required. And .. *looks at pic* .. all I can say is, at least they didn't use plaidweave? Nothing wrong with plaideweave. Brilliant! Solas actually pulls it off I think.
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Post by Amburu on Sept 27, 2016 3:05:54 GMT
I apologize for asking the mods to merge an entire topic devoted to "is Solas cool now". I was catching up on the thread and i finally understand now hahaha thanks for explaining
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Post by Elessara on Sept 27, 2016 3:13:54 GMT
So, today I listened/read a fan theory that Solas could have been Shartan. That he's already tried to help fix the world with bringing his people out of slavery via Andraste, went back to sleep, woke up again, saw it was an even bigger mess of less magical awesome, and he's called it quits and it's gotta burn. There's even some DAI artwork that shows Shartan as a bald elf with an orb. Of course, we all know there is more than one orb, so maybe Shartan just happened to get his hands on one to make the Earthquakes and the rain and the drought to help win the war. Thoughts? I've heard that theory but a few things ... 1. It's absolutely possible that Solas lied but I'm going to assume he was being honest with us at the end of Trespasser and he didn't mention going to sleep, waking up, helping with Andraste's rebellion and then going back to sleep again. And if he had his orb then and was able to use it, why was he so weak when he woke the second time? It seems unlikely that he would have exerted himself to such an extent during the rebellion that thousand years later he's still too weak to use the orb. 2. I've seen Shartan being depicted as bald in the Gauntlet but what few pieces of art I've seen seem to depict Shartan with a sword. I *think* I know which art you're referring to but I honestly can't tell if that's supposed to be an elf or not. What's more striking to me is the Chantry mural with an elf that has a very similar pose to Solas' Hermit tarot card. 3. In game histories can be quite inaccurate but they do say that Shartan died trying to free Andraste from the pyre. I think I read that some scholars debate whether or not he was even real or one elf but that might just be the results of the Exalted March on the Dales muddying the waters. Personally I kind of just hope that Shartan was Shartan. I would rather prefer that not everything be Solas and I'm kind of fond of the idea that Andraste was mage who may possibly have been possessed by a spirit. Shartan could also have been a follower of Fen'Harel rather than Solas himself. But hopefully this is one of the questions that gets answered.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 27, 2016 3:55:55 GMT
So, today I listened/read a fan theory that Solas could have been Shartan. That he's already tried to help fix the world with bringing his people out of slavery via Andraste, went back to sleep, woke up again, saw it was an even bigger mess of less magical awesome, and he's called it quits and it's gotta burn. There's even some DAI artwork that shows Shartan as a bald elf with an orb. Of course, we all know there is more than one orb, so maybe Shartan just happened to get his hands on one to make the Earthquakes and the rain and the drought to help win the war. Thoughts? I've heard that theory but a few things ... 1. It's absolutely possible that Solas lied but I'm going to assume he was being honest with us at the end of Trespasser and he didn't mention going to sleep, waking up, helping with Andraste's rebellion and then going back to sleep again. And if he had his orb then and was able to use it, why was he so weak when he woke the second time? It seems unlikely that he would have exerted himself to such an extent during the rebellion that thousand years later he's still too weak to use the orb. 2. I've seen Shartan being depicted as bald in the Gauntlet but what few pieces of art I've seen seem to depict Shartan with a sword. I *think* I know which art you're referring to but I honestly can't tell if that's supposed to be an elf or not. What's more striking to me is the Chantry mural with an elf that has a very similar pose to Solas' Hermit tarot card. 3. In game histories can be quite inaccurate but they do say that Shartan died trying to free Andraste from the pyre. I think I read that some scholars debate whether or not he was even real or one elf but that might just be the results of the Exalted March on the Dales muddying the waters. Personally I kind of just hope that Shartan was Shartan. I would rather prefer that not everything be Solas and I'm kind of fond of the idea that Andraste was mage who may possibly have been possessed by a spirit. Shartan could also have been a follower of Fen'Harel rather than Solas himself. But hopefully this is one of the questions that gets answered. I was going to post a reply stating much the same. During my second playthrough, I'd briefly considered the possibility of Solas having "given history a nudge", as Flemeth put it. The story of Shartan definitely calls to mind the true story of Fen'Harel, in certain ways. Too many things don't add up, though, as outlined above. Solas' lies seem to have strictly been lies of omission. I see no reason to doubt his claim of having awakened only very recently. Also, there is really no evidence to support the idea that Shartan was anyone other than the person history says he was: a Tevene elf slave. While parts of the tale remind one of the tale of Fen'Harel, other parts seem not at all like Solas, in my opinion. Also, he'd have far more familiarity with that era, it's history and cultures than he seems to have, if he'd been there as Shartan. Many things just don't add up. I don't believe Solas was Shartan, but that doesn't mean there is zero connection. Maybe the tale of Shartan is in part inspired by the true history of Fen'Harel; or maybe they're linked in some far more exciting way than I can presently see.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 27, 2016 4:17:19 GMT
Since Solas was "watching" the world a bit while he slept, I don't think it's impossible that he might have nudged people through their dreams - including Shartan.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 27, 2016 4:25:21 GMT
I've heard that theory but a few things ... 1. It's absolutely possible that Solas lied but I'm going to assume he was being honest with us at the end of Trespasser and he didn't mention going to sleep, waking up, helping with Andraste's rebellion and then going back to sleep again. And if he had his orb then and was able to use it, why was he so weak when he woke the second time? It seems unlikely that he would have exerted himself to such an extent during the rebellion that thousand years later he's still too weak to use the orb. 2. I've seen Shartan being depicted as bald in the Gauntlet but what few pieces of art I've seen seem to depict Shartan with a sword. I *think* I know which art you're referring to but I honestly can't tell if that's supposed to be an elf or not. What's more striking to me is the Chantry mural with an elf that has a very similar pose to Solas' Hermit tarot card. 3. In game histories can be quite inaccurate but they do say that Shartan died trying to free Andraste from the pyre. I think I read that some scholars debate whether or not he was even real or one elf but that might just be the results of the Exalted March on the Dales muddying the waters. Personally I kind of just hope that Shartan was Shartan. I would rather prefer that not everything be Solas and I'm kind of fond of the idea that Andraste was mage who may possibly have been possessed by a spirit. Shartan could also have been a follower of Fen'Harel rather than Solas himself. But hopefully this is one of the questions that gets answered. I was going to post a reply stating much the same. During my second playthrough, I'd briefly considered the possibility of Solas having "given history a nudge", as Flemeth put it. The story of Shartan definitely calls to mind the true story of Fen'Harel, in certain ways. Too many things don't add up, though, as outlined above. Solas' lies seem to have strictly been lies of omission. I see no reason to doubt his claim of having awakened only very recently. Also, there is really no evidence to support the idea that Shartan was anyone other than the person history says he was: a Tevene elf slave. While parts of the tale remind one of the tale of Fen'Harel, other parts seem not at all like Solas, in my opinion. Also, he'd have far more familiarity with that era, it's history and cultures than he seems to have, if he'd been there as Shartan. Many things just don't add up. I don't believe Solas was Shartan, but that doesn't mean there is zero connection. Maybe the tale of Shartan is in part inspired by the true history of Fen'Harel; or maybe they're linked in some far more exciting way than I can presently see. The only way I can see Solas being Shartan is if some of Solas's earlier deeds were ascribed to Shartan - hence some similarities. We do know that it happened in our history and there's no reason to not think that it didn't happen in Thedas, given that we've seen the truth can become muddled just as easily, even shortly after events have happened... I mean, Inquisitor had to deal with this ever since they've popped out of the Fade, which includes strong assumption that they've been sent by Andraste, with whom they may have no relation with whatsoever, given that Inquisitor can be a Dalish, a dwarf or a Qunari and hence not even be Andrastians.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 27, 2016 4:36:30 GMT
midnight tea , do you mean that the deeds of Shartan could've actually been the deeds of Solas, done during the days of Elvhenan, but reframed in Andrastian trappings? That's totally possible. That's sort of what I was thinking when I said the legend of Shartan could've been shaped by the history of Fen'Harel. I love how this series accurately portrays how quickly and thoroughly history gets distorted and/or lost. I'm curious to see what truths we one day learn about Andraste herself; but that's a topic for another thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 5:24:24 GMT
BEHOLD ALL SOLAS ROMANCERS! ALL OF YOUR LAVELLANS ARE WRONG! THEY SHOULD ALL BE LIKE THIS!
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