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Post by lilyenachaos on Oct 31, 2016 19:40:35 GMT
So, a few months ago on old BSN someone asked if I would carve a Solavellan related pumpkin. I carved Solas last year and was happy to do another Solas related pumpkin this year. Happy Halloween, Blanketfort. /awe
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 20:27:46 GMT
*snip* This came up a few pages back with the theories on the Black City being Arlathan, but I've always had a question on that and figured here might be the right spot to ask it: if TBC is Arlathan, then are we assuming the whole 'destruction of Arlathan' by Archon Thalsian (-975 Ancient, I think) is just Tevinter propaganda? I want to put my tinfoil hat on and believe, but that whole schtick gets in my way a bit. You might remember from Trespasser, that the elves built things not just on the ground, but in between in Crossroads-type areas, like where much of the Vir Dirthara was located. Which means that Arlathan could have been like that, an in-between place that had portions both fully in reality and out of it. If the in-between part of Arlathan got shifted entirely to the Fade by Solas when he made the Veil, that could still have left a portion of it entirely in the Waking world, even if in ruins. The surviving elves would have then had hundreds of years to rebuild somewhat, before the conflict with humanity came to a head, and they were conquered. That's my theory, anyway. Abelas in the Temple of Mythal even said that what the Tevinter Empire conquered, was the picked over corpse of Arlathan - their people had fallen long ago from glory.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 31, 2016 20:52:09 GMT
According to Maryden's song the real Thedas side Arlathan is on the ocean floor. My theory is that the Golden/Black City was indeed the Fade part of Arlathan and when the Veil was raised the bit that extended into the real world was sundered and collapsed under the Nocen Sea. However, the entire city covered a wide area, so remnants were left surrounding the main crater, which were scavenged by Qarinus, Neromenian, Tevinter and originally Barindur (which allegedly had a magic pool within its precincts), these being the main human magical civilisations. The reason Minrathous has never fallen to invaders is likely some inherent elf magic in its foundations. It should be remembered that the ancient writings always seem to credit Mythal with creating the cities, whilst the other gods had their own temples, likely in other places. So the area now known as Arlathan Forest may well have had a temple complex dedicated to one of the other gods, Andruil for example, and it was likely large enough to seem like a city to other people. If we are allowed to visit Arlathan Forest next game, I'm pretty sure it will confirm this.
I really don't know how Abelas is meant to be so knowledgeable about what occurred up in northern Thedas when he was meant to be sleeping when his own temple wasn't under attack. So either Mihris was right and those in Uthenara could see what was going on everywhere or he was merely speculating about what Tevinter found. However Patrick Weekes did confirm that Tevinter re-purposed a lot of elven ruins, hacked the obvious elven features off any statues and pictures and then claimed them for their own. Which is why I speculated elsewhere that the mosaics we find and the dwarf says appear to have been altered, are really relics of a much earlier period than the Tevinter Imperium and may well be showing what happened when Solas imprisoned the evanuris rather than the Magisters entering the Golden City, and the figures surrounding the fallen dragon actually shows the attack on Mythal.
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Post by Elessara on Oct 31, 2016 21:32:37 GMT
Hi blanketfort, first time posting in this thread here, so appologise if the question has been asked before. Do you think that the reveal of Solas is going to be something 'big' later on in the next instalment? Or is it going to be 'just another Kieran' ? (Kinda remember back in the old days people are speculating heavily on the OGB stuff, but come inquisition, well.. other than that cool scene as mythal's grandson he's basically 'just there') So what do you guys think? Though (I may) never romance Solas, but I really love his character very very much. He is hahren to my Lavellan who teaches her many things and up lift her in so many ways. The problem with the OGB is that it was optional. Not everyone chose to do the Dark Ritual so the OGB wasn't present in every world state. It was a pretty big choice at the time for the player but it basically meant that the OGB could never have a large impact going forward. Solas, however, is present in everyone's game no matter what. He'll always do the reveal in Trespasser. Even if someone doesn't play Trespasser I think the Keep requires a selection to be made (or has a default choice) and if you don't import from the Keep then a default world state will be used which will most likely have the Inquisitor choose to stop Solas at any cost. I could be wrong about the default state but I doubt it. At any rate, whilst the OGB didn't always exist, Solas always will and he'll always be on that particular path so I'm assuming that we'll end up dealing with him no matter what. He may or may not be "big" in the next game but if not then it'll probably be the game after that - although I don't see the series continuing much longer tbh.
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Post by Elessara on Oct 31, 2016 21:42:00 GMT
Thank you all for ME romance opinions, i know what I'm going to do know Now for something Solas related... I read somewhere today that they don't think that Solas woke up with the intent to tear the veil down straightaway and that he used cory to unlock his orb so that he could swoop in after it killed cory and use it to restore his power since he was very weak? He only decided that he was going to tear it down after realising Mythal was still alive? I'll admit, I love the lore and read it but it does sometimes baffle my head a bit so i am most def not as clued up as some you are. Also, when first meeting cory he tells quizzy that she interrupted a ritual years in the planning. How is it years? I thought it was only a year before when Solas woke up and presumably went about making sure his orb got to cory. As for the whole not going to tear down the veil from the very start, it makes sense that he would allow himself to fall in love but then after the whole Mythal business that's when he breaks it off because he's decided then that he's going to tear down the veil? Sorry if this has been discussed before, would love to hear your thoughts? In regards to Cory's comment about the Inquisitor interrupting a ritual years in the planning ... from the timeline we know that Inquisition takes place about a year after the Chantry exploded in Kirkwall. We don't know exactly when Hawke woke Cory up - remember, the timeline of DA2 takes up 10 years. Somewhere in those 10 years, Cory wakes up, decides everything sucks (sound familiar?) and he's going to become a god. So he starts planning. He's probably been planning the ritual and building up his power base, finding the red lyrium even before he got his hands on the orb. We also don't know exactly when he got his hands on the orb. Solas said he had his agents arrange for Cory to find it - this could have been done whilst Solas was still asleep as he could contact his agents via the Fade (as was seen with Felessan).
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Post by Andruil on Oct 31, 2016 21:45:56 GMT
*snip* This came up a few pages back with the theories on the Black City being Arlathan, but I've always had a question on that and figured here might be the right spot to ask it: if TBC is Arlathan, then are we assuming the whole 'destruction of Arlathan' by Archon Thalsian (-975 Ancient, I think) is just Tevinter propaganda? I want to put my tinfoil hat on and believe, but that whole schtick gets in my way a bit. You might remember from Trespasser, that the elves built things not just on the ground, but in between in Crossroads-type areas, like where much of the Vir Dirthara was located. Which means that Arlathan could have been like that, an in-between place that had portions both fully in reality and out of it. If the in-between part of Arlathan got shifted entirely to the Fade by Solas when he made the Veil, that could still have left a portion of it entirely in the Waking world, even if in ruins. The surviving elves would have then had hundreds of years to rebuild somewhat, before the conflict with humanity came to a head, and they were conquered. That's my theory, anyway. Abelas in the Temple of Mythal even said that what the Tevinter Empire conquered, was the picked over corpse of Arlathan - their people had fallen long ago from glory. This makes a ton more sense now. I suppose I was assuming regular physics, regular Fade or not Fade city, so I was wondering how when you cut the magic from a floating city does it still float. Buttttt if it's a bit of both then there'd still be pieces left for Tevinter to destroy. Thanks!
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Post by lynroy on Nov 1, 2016 1:37:28 GMT
I agree with what everyone else has said about this! You have awesome pumpkin carving skills lynroy ! Thank you, Sunny. /awe Cheers.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 1, 2016 3:43:34 GMT
I have a little story to share - I went to local pet shop to buy my cat a de-shedding brush and after paying for it the owner of the shop is all like: "feel free to pick a lottery ticket to win cool prizes from our shop!" I look at the counter and I see a bowl full of lottery tickets ... mixed with worms and grasshoppers and other creepy crawlies. Yes, they're alive. I kinda wanted to grab a ticket simply to wipe a smug grin out of owner's face, but I chickened out at the very last moment. I missed therefore what I was assured to be a chance to win awesome prizes, but I do have to admit that I went out of the shop in a good mood. Gotta give kudos for the sense of humor - I know that if I've had an opportunity to do such a thing, I'd likely do it -------------------------- Now back to the topic: I don't really remember - is Solas the only one that has a cuddle scene in Winter Palace, or do some/all other LI's have them as well?
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Post by Theneras on Nov 1, 2016 3:56:31 GMT
@midnight tea I doubt I would have been able to grab a ticket either. I can handle worms, and grasshoppers, but crickets creep me out and so do many other bugs As for the WP scenes I'm not sure. I've only gotten there with Cullen and Solas as LIs and both times opted to dance.
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Post by morir_a_solas on Nov 1, 2016 5:34:53 GMT
@midnight tea I doubt I would have been able to grab a ticket either. I can handle worms, and grasshoppers, but crickets creep me out and so do many other bugs As for the WP scenes I'm not sure. I've only gotten there with Cullen and Solas as LIs and both times opted to dance. It seems that you can get it with other LI's (Hey guys)
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Post by forgetmenot on Nov 1, 2016 5:57:22 GMT
That's a bit backwards. Solas was going to tear down the veil from the start. That's why he gave Corypheus his orb in the first place. Corypheus was supposed to unlock it, die in the resulting explosion, then Solas would take the orb and use the Mark to enter the Fade and tear down the veil. Solas explains that himself in Trespasser. IF you romance Solas, he actually decides to give up on his plans and tell Lavellan everything after the Temple of Mythal. When he takes Lavellan to the grotto, he intends to tell her the truth right there. But he panics and tells her about the Vallasin instead. Even then he still decides he wants to say with her--realizes he can't do it or he'd be betraying himself and tries to back out of the relationship badly. So, it's really only after joining the Inquisition and making friends there that he has second thoughts about his plans. Thank you! Feel a bit daft now haha I'm still trying to wrap my head around it all. My first Solas romance play through was the first time i got really really interested in all the lore etc but when got to Trespasser i was so distraught about the whole thing and heartbroken for my lavellan that some of it went a little over my head. I mean, i was proper ugly crying, my husband thought I'd gone mad haha! That's why I'm doing another solavellan play through now, i know whats going to happen so i'm not going to rush through and ill pay more attention in trespasser haha thank you for clearing it up for me
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Post by forgetmenot on Nov 1, 2016 7:59:16 GMT
Hey peeps! Just a thought... What do you think your Lavellan would have have done if Solas actually did tell her who he was at crestwood?
Also, any idea why he chose that spot in crestwood? Is it just because the veil is thin there like he said? I think at that point the veil is pretty wobbly everywhere. I know there's a wolf statue just before the tunnel entrance, don't know if that's significant. Had an explore once id killed the wyvern but not much in the area aside from a few wall drawings. I've prob completely missed another important bit of info along the way haha apologies if it is glaringly obvious why he chose that crestwood cave!
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Post by Elessara on Nov 1, 2016 11:12:15 GMT
Hey peeps! Just a thought... What do you think your Lavellan would have have done if Solas actually did tell her who he was at crestwood? Also, any idea why he chose that spot in crestwood? Is it just because the veil is thin there like he said? I think at that point the veil is pretty wobbly everywhere. I know there's a wolf statue just before the tunnel entrance, don't know if that's significant. Had an explore once id killed the wyvern but not much in the area aside from a few wall drawings. I've prob completely missed another important bit of info along the way haha apologies if it is glaringly obvious why he chose that crestwood cave! Hmm. What would she have done. At this point Fen'Harel hadn't been mentioned at all as he's mentioned by the qunari in Trespasser but not really before so it would definitely be more of a shock. I mean, it would come totally out of the blue. I don't think there'd be any screaming or yelling and no immediately getting mad. I imagine my Lavellan would have to have a sit down and really absorb it; assuming she'd even believe him of course but after the Temple of Mythal I really think she would. As for why that location in Crestwood? I'm not sure. It's a pretty location if you ignore the pile of bones off to the side. And quite elfy with the giant stag statues and the wall paintings. Not quite relevant to the question, but I remember reading about someone who didn't do the wyvern quest, as in they didn't go into that area or kill the wyverns so during that cutscene the wyverns came up and killed their character. I thought that was kind of hilarious tbh ... annoying for the player but also really funny.
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Post by illyria on Nov 1, 2016 12:10:33 GMT
Where's the 'no ragrets' image?
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Post by Theneras on Nov 1, 2016 12:21:08 GMT
Where's the 'no ragrets' image? I'm as obsessed as the next Solavellan fan, but wow, I hope this is a joke XD Anyone here writing for NaNo this month? It kicked off just 6 hrs ago and there is plenty of time for last minute signups As the saying goes, Misery loves company.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 1, 2016 12:27:33 GMT
Oddly enough, I was looking for some Solavellan Nightmare Before Christmas art yesterday. What a crazy, random happenstance?! (Although thematically, "Sally's Song" probably better describes Hawke and Anders)
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Post by lynroy on Nov 1, 2016 12:28:37 GMT
Why Crestwood? They needed a location and used one that already existed. Sorry, I can be a killjoy when it comes to speculation about these things. Sera's scene for Verchiel March where she kills--or doesn't kill--the noble? Crestwood. Why is the reward for the march in a completely different country instead of, say, closer to Verchiel? Cullen's lake scene with romanced Inquisitor? Crestwood. Even though he grew up in Honnleath and says he used to go to that lake as a child to get away from his siblings....That's quite a distance for a kid to travel. It makes little sense to me that Solas would take the Inquisitor all the way to Crestwood when they are so close to getting Corypheus.
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Post by illyria on Nov 1, 2016 12:58:20 GMT
Where's the 'no ragrets' image? I'm as obsessed as the next Solavellan fan, but wow, I hope this is a joke XD Anyone here writing for NaNo this month? It kicked off just 6 hrs ago and there is plenty of time for last minute signups As the saying goes, Misery loves company. I was thinking of doing it but I completely failed at it last year so *shrugs*
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Post by Theneras on Nov 1, 2016 13:40:43 GMT
I'm as obsessed as the next Solavellan fan, but wow, I hope this is a joke XD Anyone here writing for NaNo this month? It kicked off just 6 hrs ago and there is plenty of time for last minute signups As the saying goes, Misery loves company. I was thinking of doing it but I completely failed at it last year so *shrugs* I failed last year also I only wrote 22K words, and have done nothing with any of it. I tend to start out fine, but lose momentum halfway through. I'm determined to 'win' this year though, and I think my story idea is enough to carry me through.
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Post by forgetmenot on Nov 1, 2016 16:20:01 GMT
lynroy I didn't realise Crestwood was used for numerous character scenes, that's disappointing. Oh well, never mind! I like what Stick in the Mud suggested that 1) he needed a place where the veil was sufficiently wobbly so that he could show her the truth via the fade. Coz i think that's what he would've done, rather then just come out with "I'm Fen'Harel". And 2) needed to be far enough away so that he could leg it if she took it badly.. So I'll just pretend that's why As for my Lavellan... My first quizzy was a kind natured mage and loved him a scary amount (when she found out in trespasser she immediately asked to join him) so i think she would be obviously shocked and upset but ultimately she would forgive him (presuming that he was going to give up on his plan of course). She was very open minded and agreed with Solas on most matters and didn't get defensive when he was mean about the Dalish. She's a lot more accepting. My current Lavellan is completely different. She's a warrior with battle scars and I've roleplayed her that she's had a lot of pain in her life (wont go into her back story now). She's hotheaded and direct but is compassionate and when she cares for someone she will protect them fiercely. She got angry at Solas when talking about elves and she's been snarky with him about a few things even though she secretly finds him completely fascinating (why else would she keep going up to him to ask him stuff!). There's been a lot of approval toing and froing with this play though, its been interesting! I think she would be angry, really angry. She would shout at him an awful lot but I think that's as far as it would go. If she would stay with him, i don't know nor do i know if she would keep his secret. I think she would. I'll have to see.. I've not got her to skyhold yet so I'm still getting to know what kind of character she is. But its fun to think how it might've gone
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Post by illyria on Nov 1, 2016 22:24:21 GMT
I was thinking of doing it but I completely failed at it last year so *shrugs* I failed last year also I only wrote 22K words, and have done nothing with any of it. I tend to start out fine, but lose momentum halfway through. I'm determined to 'win' this year though, and I think my story idea is enough to carry me through. I'm planning on using Novemeber to really get into plotting and stuff, and then do Camp NaNo in the spring. Good luck with this year!
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Post by illuminated11 on Nov 2, 2016 2:14:22 GMT
Hello. I'm a person on the Internet who stumbled across the original BSN a couple months back. At the time my interest in the DAI had been flagging, as is the case for most open world games and me, and then all the cool lore tidbits that I knew nothing about as well as the discussions about Tresspasser sucked me in super hard. So hard, in fact, that I even wrote a solasxlavellan fanfic like the dweeb I am. www.fanfiction.net/s/12089581/1/Moments-in-Skyhold <- That's the story, cuz I'm an attention whore, although it's not very good because I wrote it in a feverish haze. Anyway, I then realize the old BSN is closing and stumble across this site, which was cool and prompted me to make an account. Reading through the thread (all 146 pages... I have no life), one of the things that interested me was the discussion about pairing Solas with other races. Obviously it couldn't happen because of the specificity of the final scene (and don't get me wrong, the vallaslin scene is great) and time constraints, but it got me wondering, what would it take for a human/qunari/dwarf to pique Solas's romantic interest? I think a dwarf in particular would've been very intriguing, given Solas's connection to the Fade, and the fact that dwarves... are not. It also made me wish for a cutscene between Dagna and Solas. I think that would've been fascinating to witness. I even started a rough draft of a story where Dagna becomes the Inquisitor, to explore that relationship, before remembering I'm a lazy good-for-nothing and giving up. I did write a little scene where Dagna experiences the Fade through the Anchor for the first time, which made me sad. Although I'm also the type of person who cares mostly about the characters of Dragon Age and little else (the lore for the most part is fun but a nice side benefit and the plot has never particularly blown me away, same for the game mechanics), so maybe it's weird that I'm focusing on Dagna so much? This is all long winded and my very verbose way of saying, uh... hi. Nice to meet everyone! (please like me, I'm fun I swear)
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 2, 2016 3:37:08 GMT
Welcome, illuminated11 ! I'm glad you found our new home. I see you're also a Mass Effect fan. I look forward to seeing you in those threads, as well.
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