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Post by ellawyn on Nov 2, 2016 6:34:54 GMT
Anyway, I then realize the old BSN is closing and stumble across this site, which was cool and prompted me to make an account. Reading through the thread (all 146 pages... I have no life), one of the things that interested me was the discussion about pairing Solas with other races. Obviously it couldn't happen because of the specificity of the final scene (and don't get me wrong, the vallaslin scene is great) and time constraints, but it got me wondering, what would it take for a human/qunari/dwarf to pique Solas's romantic interest? Well, I gotta admit I have a soft spot for Solas/Adaar. But I don't think non-Lavellans necessarily HAVE to do something to pique his interest - or at least they don't have to do anything more than what Lavellan did. I've said before that Solas doesn't seem to be particularly prejudiced against dwarves/qunari/humans but against modern people in general. If Lavellan could overcome that prejudice, I don't see why the other Inquisitors can't - besides, you know, budget and story reasons. Similarly, I don't see anything about Cullen's personality that really prevents him from going for dwarves/qunari, so I don't think they'd have to be - I don't know - particularly beautiful or charming or something to pique his interest either. I guess you could argue that Solas/Cullen don't need a reason to prefer some elves or humans, since preferences and attractions don't always make sense (And in Solas' case, a preference for elves might even make sense if it comes out that elves are spirits in physical form, and thus possess a dimension of perception and feeling the other races don't have.) But it's not like the game gives you the option to flirt with Solas and he goes "Oh, I won't date you because I don't find dwarves attractive." It just doesn't give you the option at all. As such, I don't really take it as canon evidence that Solas/Cullen won't go for non-whatevers. I don't think a non-elven Inquisitor would have to somehow work harder to catch his interest.
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Post by Auirel on Nov 2, 2016 7:53:09 GMT
Well, I gotta admit I have a soft spot for Solas/Adaar. Solas definitely has a soft spot for Adaar too. But I don't think non-Lavellans necessarily HAVE to do something to pique his interest - or at least they don't have to do anything more than what Lavellan did. I've said before that Solas doesn't seem to be particularly prejudiced against dwarves/qunari/humans but against modern people in general. If Lavellan could overcome that prejudice, I don't see why the other Inquisitors can't - besides, you know, budget and story reasons. Pretty much. No matter what race and gender the Inquisitor is, they can all make Solas realise that he was wrong about his initial judgement of modern Thedosians. The romance with Lavellan isn't fundamentally built on this revelation, but it is a part of it. It reveals that there are other reasons why Solas is only attracted to elves. Personally though I won't take time constraints and a limited budget as affirmation that had there been more time and money that Solas would be able to romance other races. It may always have ended up as it did. Though if people want to headcanon or mod their games to allow it, then that's their prerogative. But it's not like the game gives you the option to flirt with Solas and he goes "Oh, I won't date you because I don't find dwarves attractive." It just doesn't give you the option at all. As such, I don't really take it as canon evidence that Solas/Cullen won't go for non-whatevers. I don't think a non-elven Inquisitor would have to somehow work harder to catch his interest. I really wish that there was an option to flirt with Solas, only for him to turn you down. Maybe they thought it would be problematic and make Solas seem really racist, despite there being very significant differences, physically and mentally between each race that should be considered. A dwarf's inability to dream for example might be a serious turn-off for Solas, which is why he might say no. I do wonder though what Solas thinks about being a father? In ancient Elvhenan there isn't a nagging reason to have children if you're an elf, you don't have to worry about having kids before you get too old. Maybe having children was an exceptionally special event, maybe even intensely controlled and regulated by the Evanuris.
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Post by illuminated11 on Nov 2, 2016 13:15:41 GMT
Welcome, illuminated11 ! I'm glad you found our new home. I see you're also a Mass Effect fan. I look forward to seeing you in those threads, as well. Thanks! Mass Effect is a thing that I like, yes, although mostly because I could listen to Jennifer Hale read a cookbook. A game where I can play a cool female protagonist in space? Count me in! That's about the extent of it, though (not helped by a distinct lack of platforms that can play the ME trilogy)... hehe. I'll check out the ME forums too, though. One day. Hmmm. Yeah, I think I agree. To build on the point, though, while he may not consider any of the races's people at the start, his interactions in a romance could change in fascinating ways depending on your Inquisitor's race. He might still get from A (they're not people) to B (they're people), but the the way he gets there is slightly different because his views and opinions of each individual race is different. Sera is a great example of what I mean; her scenes with an elf Inquisitor were completely different from every other race in the game, after the events at Mythal's Temple, and it really showcases the extent of her internalized racism. I also think if we could get a race-tailored scene on the same emotional and lore shattering level as the vallaslin reveal, that would be, well... awesome. Of course, is that even possible? That scene works well for multiple reasons, I don't know if the pathos even could be replicated. As an aside, if the theory that the Qunari were once elves is true, that would've been another intriguing layer to a potential relationship between Solas and Adaar. Obviously that's mere speculation, though. The Inquisitor can dream as a dwarf, I believe because of the Anchor (that or Bioware didn't have time/money to change the scene with Solas for dwarves haha)? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. That said, I agree with you. I mean, Cassandra awkwardly turning down my Lavellan was what got me to make a male character specifically to romance her (and Cullen's is similarly cute from what I remember), so it's not like Solas refusing a character would turn people off if it's done well. And as for the racist thing, again, Sera breaks up with a Dalish Inquisitor if they don't renounce their heritage, so I don't know if that's something Bioware was worried about. There are a lot of racial undertones from everyone in your party (except probably Cole), and I'm personally of the belief that, like, 98% of Thedas is racist in some form, haha. Plus my Cadash flirts with everything that moves, why is the egg the only exception? He doesn't have to like me back, that won't stop me from being a flirty motherfucker! Which brings me back to potentially budget? I dunno. It's fun to imagine the possibilities, though. That doesn't cost any money, Bioware! Whaddya think about that?! And quickly, to clarify, I'm fine with Solas being race-gated to elves. People have their preferences. I just thought it was a fun little topic.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 2, 2016 15:08:33 GMT
I'm glad Solas was only available to elves, personally. Given his backstory and future plans, I don't think a romantic relationship with a non-elf would've made any sense. He likes what he knows, or some form of it. Even Lavellan isn't exactly what he knows, given the state of the world and the cultural differences, and he is surprised to find himself falling in love with her inspite of it. I know you weren't saying Solas is racist, but I see it come up at times. I definitely don't see any racism in his character. He is way too eager to aid, praise and admire individuals of all races to be a racist. His plan isn't about harming other races, it's about restoring the world to its rightful, natural state; and restoring the elves, who have had it pretty horribly since he raised the Veil. In real life, I have had friends or friendly acquaintances who aren't attracted to individuals outside their own ethnicity. (There were likely many more with whom I never had the conversation.) The weren't racist, they just had preferences in terms of attraction; and this is dealing only with human + human. We vary only in shades and cultural practices. I always felt kind of badly for them. That probably sounds condescending, but I don't intend it that way. I am attracted to women of all ethnicities, and I felt like people who aren't similarly open are missing out on a lot of potential relationships. Too bad for them, I guess. Sometimes meeting the right man or woman completely shatters that "I'm not attracted to X" belief, but I don't see it happening with Solas. Elvhen Glory!
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Post by illuminated11 on Nov 2, 2016 20:51:20 GMT
I think that makes a lot of sense. I don't really disagree with any of it. Derp. You're giving me an out here, you kind soul, and I should probably take it, buuuut... even though I didn't say it, I do, in fact, believe Solas to be racist. At the same time, I think he's one of the most open-minded characters in the game. He's a mixed bag, and that's what makes him interesting to me. I know this is a hotly debated topic, though, so I can drop it if you want. I'm going to post a link to what I believe is a fantastic piece on how well Bioware handled racism in this game. The writer is fairly negative on Solas, as a warning, but as a white person it really changed the way I think about a lot of things, so I feel it deserves to be shared on that principle alone. In the comments there's also a fascinating post from someone of mixed race, who talks about being too "white" for black neighborhoods and too "black" for white neighborhoods that struck a chord with me as well. Just a lot of great discussion from a game that doesn't always get a lot of credit for its writing (which, to be fair, is problematic in some departments, but not in this case). I agree! A couple years back I read Malcolm X's book, and this conversation is giving me the urge to find it and read it again. He discusses dating different ethnicities in it, and it's pretty interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 5:41:51 GMT
Hey peeps! Just a thought... What do you think your Lavellan would have have done if Solas actually did tell her who he was at crestwood? Also, any idea why he chose that spot in crestwood? Is it just because the veil is thin there like he said? I think at that point the veil is pretty wobbly everywhere. I know there's a wolf statue just before the tunnel entrance, don't know if that's significant. Had an explore once id killed the wyvern but not much in the area aside from a few wall drawings. I've prob completely missed another important bit of info along the way haha apologies if it is glaringly obvious why he chose that crestwood cave! My old Lavellan took her religious faith seriously, but I think the Temple of Mythal and after meeting Mythal herself broke it. Fen'harel was a trickster god, so was their whole relationship a trick? That thought would be then casted out by the question of why would he reveal himself if it was all fake? Ultimately, she would need to sit down, in silence, for at least an hour, to just digest the news. She really would have hard time knowing how to feel about it. My Surane!Lavellan might react by blurting out, " You're a God? You're very weak for a God. Wait, you're that asshole?" She's more of an agnostic atheist deep down, but she more or less incorporates a bit of the elven religion into her persona to a) be more dalishie, and to spite the Chantry. So for years she didn't believe in any gods, only to meet one, and for him to not live up to her expectations at all. She would probably find the whole thing hilarious, especially with the though that she had banged a god. Not just a god, the supposed evil god that her clan told her to watch out for. As for Cory, she wouldn't be mad, in fact she would be kind of grateful to him. If he didn't give Cory the orb then she would have never gotten the anchor, she would never had become the Inquisitor, she would just be some nobody elf living in the woods. But now thanks to him she has power and influence, and she would have never met Solas. As for the Crestwood thing, I agree with lynroy as that place is used for Cullen's romance scene. But I think that he chose that place due to the pictures on the wall, that those pictures hold the key to what caused the shit to hit the fan.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 3, 2016 6:42:43 GMT
That's a good article you linked, and I hope many people take the time to read it. I'm married to a black woman, have black family, and have many close friends who are black (I can say that and be serious), so the story of these experiences is familiar to me. Still, I'm white, so I certainly can't claim I've lived in their shoes. The article didn't offer anything unfamiliar or new to me, but it's another account to hopefully broaden my own perspective. As to Solas, I still disagree about him being racist. I don't think he can be compared to real world humans who have lived their entire lives in a world with their own kind. Racism in our world is inexcusable. It's incomprehensibly stupid. Solas is from a world in which elves lived alone, or rather alone except for the spirits. The world was fundamentally different when he went to sleep. His only contact with the present races has been through dreaming, and a single year of waking life. He awakens to find the world greatly diminished, and largely filled with violence and injustice. He's not impressed, and he can't really be blamed. Still, during his time with us, he seeks to aid all those in need, praises the honorable, and has no patience for pettiness or cruelty. And he does all of this with no regard for race. Also, he never claims the elves of old were in any way morally superior to the present peoples. He compares them, of all things, to Tevinter. He led, possibly started, a civil war to free the Evanuris' slaves. The elves' nobles and rulers were no better than the Magisters of Tevinter, according to Solas. Racists don't generally make a habit of denigrating their own kind, but rather elevating them. I'll not get sidetracked in endless speculation about Fen'Harel's war itself, but focus on the main points. When it ended, he fundamentally changed the world. He put up an artificial construct that diminished everyone living, and everyone born thereafter. He's not being racist in saying that the peoples of the Dragon Age are "mean", "narrow-minded", "lesser" (not a word he uses), or any similar such thing. He's right. They are. He did it to them by creating the Veil. He can't fix them, but he can fix the world and those born into it in the future. It's also important to consider Solas' personal history. It explains how he can both feel compassion and empathy for this world and simultaneously plot its demise. It doesn't justify it, but it explains it. Solas cares deeply. This is a person who had everything. The Evanuris elevated him to their ranks. He'd become a "god", and he discarded it to free the slaves. That effort turned against him, ultimately, and the resulting conflict seems to have killed Mythal, and nearly destroyed the world itself. With no alternatives, he created the Veil, and destroyed his world and people. Who knows how many people he killed in the process? Can you imagine the heartbreak and guilt, and how that might twist someone's motivations over the course of centuries? Solas isn't a racist. He's a deeply caring person who is unimaginably scarred. He's trying to fix the world he broke by returning it to its natural state. He can't really fix what he did, though, and he will destroy himself if he kills another world full of people. He acknowledges as much at the end of Trespasser in conversation with a friendly/romanced character. Solas is a ball lost in high weeds, but he's not a racist.
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Post by forgetmenot on Nov 3, 2016 7:27:03 GMT
That's a good article you linked, and I hope many people take the time to read it. I'm married to a black woman, have black family, and have many close friends who are black (I can say that and be serious), so the story of these experiences is familiar to me. Still, I'm white, so I certainly can't claim I've lived in their shoes. The article didn't offer anything unfamiliar or new to me, but it's another account to hopefully broaden my own perspective. As to Solas, I still disagree about him being racist. I don't think he can be compared to real world humans who have lived their entire lives in a world with their own kind. Racism in our world is inexcusable. It's incomprehensibly stupid. Solas is from a world in which elves lived alone, or rather alone except for the spirits. The world was fundamentally different when he went to sleep. His only contact with the present races has been through dreaming, and a single year of waking life. He awakens to find the world greatly diminished, and largely filled with violence and injustice. He's not impressed, and he can't really be blamed. Still, during his time with us, he seeks to aid all those in need, praises the honorable, and has no patience for pettiness or cruelty. And he does all of this with no regard for race. Also, never claims the elves of old were in any way morally superior to the present peoples. He compares them, of all things, to Tevinter. He led, possibly started, a civil war to free the Evanuris' slaves. The elves' nobles and rulers were no better than the Magisters of Tevinter, according to Solas. Racists don't generally make a habit of denigrating their own kind, but rather elevating it. I'll not get sidetracked in endless speculation about Fen'Harel's war itself, but focus on the main points. When it ended, he fundamentally changed the world. He put up an artificial construct that diminished everyone living, and everyone born thereafter. He's not being racist in saying that the peoples of the Dragon Age are "mean", "narrow-minded", "lesser" (not a word he uses), or any similar such thing. He's right. They are. He did it to them by creating the Veil. He can't fix them, but he can fix the world and those born in the future. It's also important to consider Solas' personal history. It explains how he can both feel compassion and empathy for this world and simultaneously plot its demise. It doesn't justify it, but it explains it. Solas cares deeply. This is a person who had everything. The Evanuris elevated him to their ranks. He'd become a "god", and he discarded it to free the slaves. That effort turned against him, ultimately, and the resulting conflict seems to have killed Mythal, and nearly destroyed the world itself. With no alternatives, he created the Veil, and destroyed his world and people. Who knows how many people he killed in the process? Can you imagine the heartbreak and guilt, and how that might twist someone's motivations over the course of centuries? Solas isn't a racist. He's a deeply caring person who is unimaginably scarred. He's trying to fix the world he broke by returning it to its natural state. He can't really fix what he did, though, and he will destroy himself if he kills another world full of people. He acknowledges as much at the end of Trespasser in conversation with a friendly/romanced character. Solas is a ball lost in high weeds, but he's not a racist. Very well written and thought out. I completely agree with everything you've said.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 3, 2016 16:59:54 GMT
I'll not get sidetracked in endless speculation about Fen'Harel's war itself, but focus on the main points. When it ended, he fundamentally changed the world. He put up an artificial construct that diminished everyone living, and everyone born thereafter. He's not being racist in saying that the peoples of the Dragon Age are "mean", "narrow-minded", "lesser" (not a word he uses), or any similar such thing. He's right. They are. He did it to them by creating the Veil. He can't fix them, but he can fix the world and those born in the future. Your entire post was excellent, but I concur with this part the most. Solas states that his goal is to restore the Elves to their former state by tearing down the Veil... but we often fail to consider how this will affect the other races in Thedas? We merely assumed that they will be wiped out when "the world burns in the raw chaos", when how do we know the Veil being torn down won't return magic to all the races in Thedas, whether they be Human, Elf, Qunari or even Dwarves? To quote Sandal's prophecy in DA2, which strongly foreshadows the events of Inquisition and Trespasser; "One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide"The Ancient Elves were the most magically inclined species we know about, but Solas seems to suggest that everyone formerly had magic prior to the Veil, with modern mages being only those rare individuals who've managed to retained some small connection with the Fade. Likewise, a conversation between Solas and Varric seems to imply that the Dwarves have been diminished in some way. Either this a result of the Evanuris' War with the Titans, the Veil coming down or something else entirely, but it's clear something catastrophic happened in antiquity that cut them off from the Fade; "Dwarves are the severed arm of a once mighty hero, lying in a pool of blood, undirected, whatever skill at arms it had gone forever."
It does make you wonder if we're blowing up the whole notion that Solas intends to commit genocide with the removal of the Veil? While the transition might be catastrophic, those who may survive the deluge would find themselves in a world without the current problems in Thedas. There'd no longer be a mage/non-mage divide because everyone could have access to magic, while Spirits can experience and understand the mortal world better, making it less likely to corrupt them into demons.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 3, 2016 17:21:08 GMT
Your entire post was excellent, but I concur with this part the most. Solas states that his goal is to restore the Elves to their former state by tearing down the Veil... but we often fail to consider how this will affect the other races in Thedas? We merely assumed that they will be wiped out when "the world burns in the raw chaos", when how do we know the Veil being torn down won't return magic to all the races in Thedas, whether they be Human, Elf, Qunari or even Dwarves? To quote Sandal's prophecy in DA2, which strongly foreshadows the events of Inquisition and Trespasser; "One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide"The Ancient Elves were the most magically inclined species we know about, but Solas seems to suggest that everyone formerly had magic prior to the Veil, with modern mages being only those rare individuals who've managed to retained some small connection with the Fade. Likewise, a conversation between Solas and Varric seems to imply that the Dwarves have been diminished in some way. Either this a result of the Evanuris' War with the Titans, the Veil coming down or something else entirely, but it's clear something catastrophic happened in antiquity that cut them off from the Fade; "Dwarves are the severed arm of a once mighty hero, lying in a pool of blood, undirected, whatever skill at arms it had gone forever."
It does make you wonder if we're blowing up the whole notion that Solas intends to commit genocide with the removal of the Veil? While the transition might be catastrophic, it would solve a lot of the current problems in Thedas. There'd no longer be a mage/non-mage divide because everyone could have access to magic, while Spirits can experience and understand the mortal world better, making it less likely to corrupt them into demons. Exactly. Everyone seems quick to jump to the "worst case scenario", when hints have been dropped for a long time that things might not be so terrible. When Solas "destroyed the world" the first time, many people survived, while Elvhenan fell. I suspect it would be the same this time. Civilizations would fall, but species would continue. People are terrified of magic and the Fade, but we don't even know from where the various races originated. Their very origins could be tied up in magic from which they're now cut-off. We have no idea from whence anyone really originates. At the very least, with the Veil destroyed, we'd all potentially be more. Ultimately, the Veil doesn't belong. It's the artificial construct of one mage, Solas, and it has greatly diminished the world and all who live on "both sides". I completely understand why he wants to remove his creation; I just want him to find the least devastating way possible. Knowing what we know of him, he probably already has accounted for this. His morose outlook wasn't all that promising, I guess. He probably could benefit from having more eyes on the issue, more input from gifted mages, even if he is the expert on the Veil. Who the hell would help with this, though? Questions for DA4, perhaps?
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Post by ellawyn on Nov 3, 2016 19:13:28 GMT
To add to the chorus - I agree that the article's interesting, and it's main point is solid, but to be honest, anyone who reduces Solas to "genocidal rhetoric" and wanting "a pure elven world" either didn't spend much time with his character, or didn't pay much attention to what he actually said. At no point does Solas express a desire to wipe out modern people, and at no point does he go on a rant about pure elven blood or some such nonsense, so I wouldn't really take that article as a in-depth and nuanced breakdown of Solas' character. That's not what it's supposed to be, for one, and for two the author admits to not liking him and thus not seeing a whole lot of him. On that note though - I agree that Solas displays a clear prejudice towards the ancient elvhen and spirits. But I think that calling that racism isn't entirely correct, though. Race is ultimately a very small factor, dwarfed by more material qualities like immortality and magic - I imagine if humans suddenly gained all those attributes, he wouldn't randomly reject them based solely on the shape of their ears. Now, to be clear, that doesn't really justify his prejudice. It just makes it a little more nuanced than "Elves good, non-elves bad." He says as much himself - people aren't defined by their cheekbones, or their chest hair. Physical attributes ultimately mean very little to him.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 3, 2016 19:41:54 GMT
To add to the chorus - I agree that the article's interesting, and it's main point is solid, but to be honest, anyone who reduces Solas to "genocidal rhetoric" and wanting "a pure elven world" either didn't spend much time with his character, or didn't pay much attention to what he actually said. At no point does Solas express a desire to wipe out modern people, and at no point does he go on a rant about pure elven blood or some such nonsense, so I wouldn't really take that article as a in-depth and nuanced breakdown of Solas' character. That's not what it's supposed to be, for one, and for two the author admits to not liking him and thus not seeing a whole lot of him. On that note though - I agree that Solas displays a clear prejudice towards the ancient elvhen and spirits. But I think that calling that racism isn't entirely correct, though. Race is ultimately a very small factor, dwarfed by more material qualities like immortality and magic - I imagine if humans suddenly gained all those attributes, he wouldn't randomly reject them based solely on the shape of their ears. Now, to be clear, that doesn't really justify his prejudice. It just makes it a little more nuanced than "Elves good, non-elves bad." He says as much himself - people aren't defined by their cheekbones, or their chest hair. Physical attributes ultimately mean very little to him. Yep. Solas is incredibly frustrated by and feels guilty about how limited and narrow-minded the peoples of the current age are. It is his doing, after all, as the architect and creator of the Veil. He wants to fix his mistake, not destroy non-elves. I've never actually had a playthrough in which I've not been friends with Solas, and I pretty much always side with the Tempars, and sometimes allow the Wardens to stay. I laugh when I see people say, "I hate Solas. He's such an ass," because I always believed one kind of has to roleplay a narrow-minded asshole to provoke him. I could be wrong, as I've never traveled that path. Maybe he has a short fuse and narrow view, like Vivienne and Sera. (A "narrow view" formed by millennia of experience.) The blog author shows that there are other possibilities for misreading and disliking characters. The linked article is good because it might open individuals' minds to issues they'd never before considered. The author was absolutely projecting her real life issues into the game, though. She admittedly entered the game without an understanding of the setting's internal dynamics. She picked a Qunari, the setting's ultimate oppressors, and was suprised that she was distrusted. She interpreted the scorn as oppression rather than fear, because she was projecting her real life experiences into the game. She did the same in jumping to conclusions about Solas' motivations without knowing anything about him. She almost automatically disliked him because he reminded her of her real life experiences with racists. I'm not knocking her for projecting. It would likely be hard not to do so on an initial playthrough. If she were a friend of mine, I'd encourage her to replay the game with a better understanding of the characters and setting. I'd like to see if she could separate herself from her initial hate of Solas and the other supposed racists in the game and see them as they truly are. I had to learn to like Sera as she is on subsequent playthroughs. I'd be curious to see if the author could do the same.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Nov 4, 2016 1:24:05 GMT
*snip* Ultimately, the Veil doesn't belong. It's the artificial construct of one mage, Solas, and it has greatly diminished the world and all who live on "both sides". I completely understand why he wants to remove his creation; I just want him to find the least devastating way possible. Knowing what we know of him, he probably already has accounted for this. His morose outlook wasn't all that promising, I guess. He probably could benefit from having more eyes on the issue, more input from gifted mages, even if he is the expert on the Veil. Who the hell would help with this, though? Questions for DA4, perhaps? My intelligent and inquisitive Lavellan rogue would help, for one! At least, if you mean "who the hell would help find the least devastating way possible of removing the Veil." She'd be all over that. Sadly, I doubt she'll get the chance in DA4.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Nov 4, 2016 2:36:18 GMT
*snip* Ultimately, the Veil doesn't belong. It's the artificial construct of one mage, Solas, and it has greatly diminished the world and all who live on "both sides". I completely understand why he wants to remove his creation; I just want him to find the least devastating way possible. Knowing what we know of him, he probably already has accounted for this. His morose outlook wasn't all that promising, I guess. He probably could benefit from having more eyes on the issue, more input from gifted mages, even if he is the expert on the Veil. Who the hell would help with this, though? Questions for DA4, perhaps? My intelligent and inquisitive Lavellan rogue would help, for one! At least, if you mean "who the hell would help find the least devastating way possible of removing the Veil." She'd be all over that. Sadly, I doubt she'll get the chance in DA4. Maybe that will be an option we get to take in the coming game(s), trying to find a way to make the veil dropping less destructive (while still trying to find him, of course). Yeah...I doubt our Lavellans are going to get the closure we want. We can always hope though. (And if hope fails there is always fanfic)
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Nov 4, 2016 2:46:52 GMT
*snip* (And if hope fails there is always fanfic) Yup... slowly chipping away at mine, in which my intelligent and inquisitive Lavellan rogue will help Solas find a less destructive way to remove the Veil.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 4, 2016 4:37:52 GMT
My intelligent and inquisitive Lavellan rogue would help, for one! At least, if you mean "who the hell would help find the least devastating way possible of removing the Veil." She'd be all over that. Sadly, I doubt she'll get the chance in DA4. Maybe that will be an option we get to take in the coming game(s), trying to find a way to make the veil dropping less destructive (while still trying to find him, of course). Yeah...I doubt our Lavellans are going to get the closure we want. We can always hope though. (And if hope fails there is always fanfic) I'm confident that the Veil will fall, one way or the other. The hints have been dropping for years. Now, they're not even hints. It's a direct plot line. I suspect our PC, whoever that person proves to be when it happens, will get to influence the event in some fashion. It could be that we will decide whether or not it happens. It's impossible to predict, at this point. I honestly figured that the Lavellan-Solas story had run its course, but Laidlaws' and Weekes' taunts make me think that they intend some sort of nod, at the very least, toward the Solasmancers. Personally, I'd like my Lavellan to find Valta and get her to fashion a badass living-lyrium arm. Totally ridiculous, but I hate to see the character a retired amputee with Solas still out there scheming his schemes.
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Post by lovelykotori on Nov 4, 2016 9:49:39 GMT
I saw that yesterday and I was really happy about that on DA I can organize my favs better. tumblr is sometimes a real mess. XD
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Post by secretrare on Nov 4, 2016 10:44:17 GMT
Solas already caused too much damages across several ages and i have no reason to give to him the benefit of the doubt. His deception and treachery sealed his fate for me and from what i saw from the ending even Flemeth was disappointed when she acknowledged his reckless ambitions before to get killed by him.
As for what it concern the prophecies of these false "guru"(Sandal,Urthemiel,Flemeth,Morrigan) because they are all false prophets to me i don't even listen to their nosense,I see no point as for why i should let these lunatics to decide the fate of the entire world because they have to fulfill their dream of: "OH! Magic has to come back all of It! in all it's might alongside the 7 tyrants of Arlathan" with the god of vegenace,that mad scientist of the mother of the Halla! The criminal Falon Din,the corrupted Andruil ecc..
For me the veil stay there and the Evanuris,Old gods,Titans and whatever locked in their cages and if Solas will try to remove it I will put him in a cage like the GW did with Corypheus.
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Post by CapricornSun on Nov 4, 2016 11:06:04 GMT
OMG I'm gonna have to fave all her artwork! *v*
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Post by Elessara on Nov 4, 2016 11:11:51 GMT
Maybe that will be an option we get to take in the coming game(s), trying to find a way to make the veil dropping less destructive (while still trying to find him, of course). Yeah...I doubt our Lavellans are going to get the closure we want. We can always hope though. (And if hope fails there is always fanfic) I'm confident that the Veil will fall, one way or the other. The hints have been dropping for years. Now, they're not even hints. It's a direct plot line. I suspect our PC, whoever that person proves to be when it happens, will get to influence the event in some fashion. It could be that we will decide whether or not it happens. It's impossible to predict, at this point. I honestly figured that the Lavellan-Solas story had run its course, but Laidlaws' and Weekes' taunts make me think that they intend some sort of nod, at the very least, toward the Solasmancers. Personally, I'd like my Lavellan to find Valta and get her to fashion a badass living-lyrium arm. Totally ridiculous, but I hate to see the character a retired amputee with Solas still out there scheming his schemes. If they're planning on further games in this series then I believe the Veil will either come down for everyone and we will have no way of stopping it or the Veil will remain up for everyone and we'll have no say in that either. I personally think we, as a player, will not get a choice in such a drastic, world altering decision *unless* the game where this happens is going to be the last game of the series. It would most likely be too difficult for the devs to create both worlds (with and without Veil) to account for all future games otherwise. I'm not so confident that the Veil will fall one way or the other but, like you, I would like to see it happen - just NOT in the way Solas anticipates. As you said before, finding a less destructive method would be awesome. I've also been thinking that instead of just ripping the Veil down all in one shot maybe having it fade (no pun intended) away slowly would be better.
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