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Post by midnight tea on Nov 4, 2016 11:19:06 GMT
Solas already caused too much damages across several ages and i have no reason to give to him the benefit of the doubt. His deception and treachery sealed his fate for me and from what i saw from the ending even Flemeth was disappointed when she acknowledged his reckless ambitions before to get killed by him. As for what it concern the prophecies of these false "guru"(Sandal,Urthemiel,Flemeth,Morrigan) because they are all false prophets to me i don't even listen to their nosense,I see no point as for why i should let these lunatics to decide the fate of the entire world because they have to fulfill their dream of: "OH! Magic has to come back all of It! in all it's might alongside the 7 tyrants of Arlathan" with the god of vegenace,that mad scientist of the mother of the Halla! The criminal Falon Din,the corrupted Andruil ecc.. For me the veil stay there and the Evanuris,Old gods,Titans and whatever locked in their cages and if Solas will try to remove it I will put him in a cage like the GW did with Corypheus. Oh, hello Secret Rare, I see you've found our thread. Anyway, while you're obviously entitled to your opinion on Solas, I keep being surprised how much of it is based on bizarre logic. Like... first you're talking about Flemeth being 'disappointed' with Solas and his 'reckless ambition', only to call her 'false guru' ("guru"? I don't think that word means what you think it means) and a lunatic? As usual, you're all over the place. Also - it's really bizarre for you to say that if anything threatens to destroy/change the world as it is, you'd just 'put them in a cage, like GW did to Corypheus'. Well... that really didn't work out for GW's in the long run, did it? Ultimately GW had turned out to be Corypheus' unwitting puppets after all, whose actions only helped Cory.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Nov 4, 2016 11:26:07 GMT
So, I noticed I'm apparently a God now... Can I join the Evanuris then? My first act of godly intervention is to guarantee at least one romance scene between the Inquisitor and Solas in DA4. Also, I plan on making bunnies the new rulers of Thedas and you all shall serve me and offer ritual sacrifices of carrots every day.
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Post by Elessara on Nov 4, 2016 11:33:50 GMT
So, I noticed I'm apparently a God now... Can I join the Evanuris then? My first act of godly intervention is to guarantee at least one romance scene between the Inquisitor and Solas in DA4. Also, I plan on making bunnies the new rulers of Thedas and you all shall serve me and offer ritual sacrifices of carrots every day. I look forward to serving my new bunny overlord.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 4, 2016 11:41:47 GMT
I'm confident that the Veil will fall, one way or the other. The hints have been dropping for years. Now, they're not even hints. It's a direct plot line. I suspect our PC, whoever that person proves to be when it happens, will get to influence the event in some fashion. It could be that we will decide whether or not it happens. It's impossible to predict, at this point. I honestly figured that the Lavellan-Solas story had run its course, but Laidlaws' and Weekes' taunts make me think that they intend some sort of nod, at the very least, toward the Solasmancers. Personally, I'd like my Lavellan to find Valta and get her to fashion a badass living-lyrium arm. Totally ridiculous, but I hate to see the character a retired amputee with Solas still out there scheming his schemes. If they're planning on further games in this series then I believe the Veil will either come down for everyone and we will have no way of stopping it or the Veil will remain up for everyone and we'll have no say in that either. I personally think we, as a player, will not get a choice in such a drastic, world altering decision *unless* the game where this happens is going to be the last game of the series. It would most likely be too difficult for the devs to create both worlds (with and without Veil) to account for all future games otherwise. I'm not so confident that the Veil will fall one way or the other but, like you, I would like to see it happen - just NOT in the way Solas anticipates. As you said before, finding a less destructive method would be awesome. I've also been thinking that instead of just ripping the Veil down all in one shot maybe having it fade (no pun intended) away slowly would be better. Personally I think that eventually Thedas will change on some fundamental level and it'd be a change that will be beyond player's choices - however, I'm not convinced that the change will necessarily be dependent on Veil dropping or not. I mean, let's be real: even the information that the Veil is an artificial construct and that the material world and Fade were one once has a propensity to change the world, by changing people's perceptions of it. It basically threatens all societal order, which itself is heavily based on flawed understanding of... well, everything. Pretty much all of modern Thedosian religions are undermined. Historical records are undermined. People's ignorance on matters of the world and how it works is becoming obvious. That in itself has a power to change the world, or at the very least destroying the current status quo. Now, I'm not necessarily sold on the idea that the only change that awaits Thedas is a major ideological change - personally I think there'd be more that's at stake here. But considering how we, as an audience - not just Thedosians - know little about Thedas, it's hard to predict what it is. ...Well, okay, the hints seem to suggest that what we're going to decide is the fate of magic in Thedas. But we don' know if the solution to it would be dropping the Veil. The change to the world may mean the change of the Veil itself, not necessarily its destruction. And here's where I think the ideological change may mean more than what it could mean in our world: the Veil, after all, is alluded to be a barrier that is more ideological, than it is physical. Changes to perception of the world may ultimately mean change the Veil - or the world - itself, especially given that in Thedas willpower is actually a real, palpable force. In other words... prepare for a clusterf**k
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Nov 4, 2016 11:42:58 GMT
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Post by Solas on Nov 4, 2016 12:55:04 GMT
So, I noticed I'm apparently a God now... Can I join the Evanuris then? yes my child, brb gonna get the elevation kit that post was a good read Element Zero
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Nov 4, 2016 13:15:43 GMT
So, I noticed I'm apparently a God now... Can I join the Evanuris then? yes my child, brb gonna get the elevation kit that post was a good read Element Zero That sounds oddly worrying coming from Solas...
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Post by NightSymphony on Nov 4, 2016 14:22:00 GMT
OMG I'm gonna have to fave all her artwork! *v* LOL..I totally did.... The first 5 pages of my favorites folder is full of her stuff.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 4, 2016 14:33:18 GMT
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Post by NightSymphony on Nov 4, 2016 14:34:11 GMT
So, I noticed I'm apparently a God now... Can I join the Evanuris then? My first act of godly intervention is to guarantee at least one romance scene between the Inquisitor and Solas in DA4. Also, I plan on making bunnies the new rulers of Thedas and you all shall serve me and offer ritual sacrifices of carrots every day. I look forward to serving my new bunny overlord.
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Post by Garnet on Nov 4, 2016 18:26:01 GMT
OMG I'm gonna have to fave all her artwork! *v* LOL..I totally did.... The first 5 pages of my favorites folder is full of her stuff. I didn't want to spam her inbox, so I only faved like 20 of them..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 20:11:59 GMT
I AM A GOD NOW! THE SHADOW GODDESS OF DARKNESS OF THE BSN PANTHEON! FEAR ME!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 20:31:51 GMT
I AM A GOD NOW! THE SHADOW GODDESS OF DARKNESS OF THE BSN PANTHEON! FEAR ME! Hey, well, I was a god before you...
Anyhow, I'm gonna try and redo my Solas romance... again... cause I can... and I'll even give Solas decent armour (as I can craft it anyhow; its not big deal he takes the crafted armor away at the end of the game; I can simply recreate it at a later date.)
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 4, 2016 21:04:10 GMT
The awkward time I've been anticipating approaches; the day when 80% of us have "God" under our screen name. How strange for newcomers. Maybe Proboards should've set the bar a bit higher?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 21:29:49 GMT
The awkward time I've been anticipating approaches; the day when 80% of us have "God" under our screen name. How strange for newcomers. Maybe Proboards should've set the bar a bit higher? Indeed, although I'd be one of those Gods that had that title before the big rush had there's though.
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Post by Elessara on Nov 4, 2016 21:38:07 GMT
The awkward time I've been anticipating approaches; the day when 80% of us have "God" under our screen name. How strange for newcomers. Maybe Proboards should've set the bar a bit higher? I don't know that I'll ever have that title ... I don't post all THAT much, although when DA4 gets announced I imagine my post count will rise more rapidly than it has been.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 4, 2016 21:45:56 GMT
The awkward time I've been anticipating approaches; the day when 80% of us have "God" under our screen name. How strange for newcomers. Maybe Proboards should've set the bar a bit higher? I don't know that I'll ever have that title ... I don't post all THAT much, although when DA4 gets announced I imagine my post count will rise more rapidly than it has been. My "Prime Post" total took years to accumulate, and a quarter of it came in the last 3 days of the old BSN. I returnee from a long hiatus in May, due to having more time available, before laying low in June and July, and returning just in time for July 31st. I've been around a lot lately because I've been playing DAI and I'm eagerly awaiting N7 Day. When I disappear for a while, I'm probably unwell. My health isn't great. That's pretty much always been the entirety of my "posting career". I come and go, based upon health and availability.
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Post by secretrare on Nov 4, 2016 21:51:18 GMT
Solas already caused too much damages across several ages and i have no reason to give to him the benefit of the doubt. His deception and treachery sealed his fate for me and from what i saw from the ending even Flemeth was disappointed when she acknowledged his reckless ambitions before to get killed by him. As for what it concern the prophecies of these false "guru"(Sandal,Urthemiel,Flemeth,Morrigan) because they are all false prophets to me i don't even listen to their nosense,I see no point as for why i should let these lunatics to decide the fate of the entire world because they have to fulfill their dream of: "OH! Magic has to come back all of It! in all it's might alongside the 7 tyrants of Arlathan" with the god of vegenace,that mad scientist of the mother of the Halla! The criminal Falon Din,the corrupted Andruil ecc.. For me the veil stay there and the Evanuris,Old gods,Titans and whatever locked in their cages and if Solas will try to remove it I will put him in a cage like the GW did with Corypheus. Oh, hello Secret Rare, I see you've found our thread. Anyway, while you're obviously entitled to your opinion on Solas, I keep being surprised how much of it is based on bizarre logic. Like... first you're talking about Flemeth being 'disappointed' with Solas and his 'reckless ambition', only to call her 'false guru' ("guru"? I don't think that word means what you think it means) and a lunatic? As usual, you're all over the place. Also - it's really bizarre for you to say that if anything threatens to destroy/change the world as it is, you'd just 'put them in a cage, like GW did to Corypheus'. Well... that really didn't work out for GW's in the long run, did it? Ultimately GW had turned out to be Corypheus' unwitting puppets after all, whose actions only helped Cory. There is nothing bizarre about my reasonings which are the same of plenty of others players ,the only thing that is bizarre is your usual attitude at wanting to trivialize the perspectives that are in total opposition to your reasonings. You do well also at jumping to conclusions while dismissing the context that leaded Corypheus to be released from his prison after a thousand of years despite such events occured in-screen in legacy. Because obviously Corypheus wasn't released by Hawke and Janeka right?After that all the seals of the prison were weakened and then totally removed by the champion and that nobody after Larius and Malcolm cared to reinforce them?Yes he escaped on his own...right...er no. and what he used to ask for help from the outside,the calling?As if Solas can even use that trick.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Nov 4, 2016 22:00:42 GMT
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Nov 5, 2016 1:40:32 GMT
*skips merrily into the thread* I missed Halloween on the thread! I hope everyone had great a one! I was sick! Yaaay! I really wish that there was an option to flirt with Solas, only for him to turn you down. Maybe they thought it would be problematic and make Solas seem really racist, despite there being very significant differences, physically and mentally between each race that should be considered. A dwarf's inability to dream for example might be a serious turn-off for Solas, which is why he might say no. I do wonder though what Solas thinks about being a father? In ancient Elvhenan there isn't a nagging reason to have children if you're an elf, you don't have to worry about having kids before you get too old. Maybe having children was an exceptionally special event, maybe even intensely controlled and regulated by the Evanuris. Me, too! It bugs me for story reasons. If I spin a unabashed flirt, I want him or her to flirt with everyone! Whatever BioWare's reasons for not putting in flirt options (my guess it was probably just too little a thing to put extra time and lines into), it takes away from my role-playing when only a female Lavellan can go flirt crazy with everyone. My dwarf has no filter abd my Trevelyan wants to see you squirm! Haha, on that note. What do you imagine Solas's reaction and rejection would look like? ************** We might have moved on from the racism discussion, but as I find the topic particularly interesting I am going to bring it up again! And I am on team Solas is racist! I'll start by saying I think because racist is such a bad word, it makes it harder to label someone you love or respect as such. Great grandpappy isn't a racist... he's just prejudiced... against every other race. When you think of a racist you probably imagine some hateful, nasty person with a too high opinion of him or herself, but racism, like sexism and other isms and obias, doesn't have to stem from hate or be intentionally hateful. I think Solas, for all his knowledge, is hugely ignorant when it comes to modern people and in turn his ignorance leads to racist views and behavior. He gives a speech about the Inquisitor being an exception to the rule in regards to their race and how their people behave. For Solas, the Dalish are ill-tempered and ignorant fools. Humans power hungry and arrogant. Qunari are barely civilized beasts. And I never saw his talk with a dwarf, but I imagine it's something like single-minded and stubborn. Having a preconceived idea of how a person is to act because of their race, is already pretty racist, but then we move on to his whole my people, your people thing. For my people to live, yours must die. I would say that's a fairly decent hint that Solas thinks his own people are better, or more deserving, than other people. Whatever his reasons or whatever tragic back story he might have, it wouldn't change the fact that Solas is willing to hurt, kill, or otherwise effect negatively a group of people he at one people openly saw as inhuman (you know what I mean), and now sees as acceptable losses, because he wants to create his better world for his people. So, he's not being hateful. He doesn't hate the other races, he has friends among them and people he respects, but Solas does have a somewhat backwards and racist view on people and the races of Thedas. But you know the great thing about Solas is that he's open to new ideas and we see him over the course of the game accepting new ways of thinking and people as they are. He's willing to learn and acknowledge he was mistaken. Unlike another elven companion of the Inquisitor, who I also call racist, I can see Solas changing his views.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 5, 2016 1:56:47 GMT
There is nothing bizarre about my reasonings which are the same of plenty of others players ,the only thing that is bizarre is your usual attitude at wanting to trivialize the perspectives that are in total opposition to your reasonings. ... Trying to spin it as if I dismiss your 'reasonings' outright simply because you don't like Solas, ey? Sadly, I think you have sentiments and 'reasonings' mixed up. While you may share similar sentiments to many 'other players', your 'reasonings' happen to stand out quite a bit from the crowd. And if I "trivialize" those 'reasonings' it's predominantly because - from my perspective at least - they lack either in substance or logic department. Sorry. Who's dismissing context here? Like, entirely? I mean, who decided to put wards that have eventually weakened and let Corypheus control entire Carta clan, which eventually prompted Wardens to act, but only after Carta went after Hawke? Grey Wardens. Who is Larius and Janeka? Grey Wardens. Who kept Corypheus's imprisonment or even existence a secret from even other Grey Wardens, eventually making it possible for them to become puppets for Corypheus in DAI? Oh, right, Grey Wardens. ... I mean, they've created the prison they ultimately couldn't maintain, going as far as having to hire Hawke's father to strengthen seals they must've known would eventually grow weak. So, no matter how you're trying to spin it, the truth of a matter is that Corypheus' imprisonment simply didn't work in the long run. So you're opting for a solution that is, at best, temporary, and proven to be critically flawed, be it either due to Wardens lack of knowledge on what exactly they're dealing with (despite centuries of being entirely dedicated to fighting the Blight...) or their secrecy. Not to even menton the fact that we have no clue if the same trick can be pulled in case of anyone else, much less Titans or Evanuris or whoever else is there... Not sure what you're trying to say here? I mean, if Corypheus managed to get help "from outside", that's even more of an evidence that the whole 'imprisonment' thing didn't work as intended.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 5, 2016 2:41:32 GMT
*skips merrily into the thread* I missed Halloween on the thread! I hope everyone had great a one! I was sick! Yaaay! I really wish that there was an option to flirt with Solas, only for him to turn you down. Maybe they thought it would be problematic and make Solas seem really racist, despite there being very significant differences, physically and mentally between each race that should be considered. A dwarf's inability to dream for example might be a serious turn-off for Solas, which is why he might say no. I do wonder though what Solas thinks about being a father? In ancient Elvhenan there isn't a nagging reason to have children if you're an elf, you don't have to worry about having kids before you get too old. Maybe having children was an exceptionally special event, maybe even intensely controlled and regulated by the Evanuris. Me, too! It bugs me for story reasons. If I spin a unabashed flirt, I want him or her to flirt with everyone! Whatever BioWare's reasons for not putting in flirt options (my guess it was probably just too little a thing to put extra time and lines into), it takes away from my role-playing when only a female Lavellan can go flirt crazy with everyone. My dwarf has no filter abd my Trevelyan wants to see you squirm! Haha, on that note. What do you imagine Solas's reaction and rejection would look like? ************** We might have moved on from the racism discussion, but as I find the topic particularly interesting I am going to bring it up again! And I am on team Solas is racist! I'll start by saying I think because racist is such a bad word, it makes it harder to label someone you love or respect as such. Great grandpappy isn't a racist... he's just prejudiced... against every other race. When you think of a racist you probably imagine some hateful, nasty person with a too high opinion of him or herself, but racism, like sexism and other isms and obias, doesn't have to stem from hate or be intentionally hateful. I think Solas, for all his knowledge, is hugely ignorant when it comes to modern people and in turn his ignorance leads to racist views and behavior. Let me start by saying that I keep being surprised (despite me being years online and discussing with people) that people from other side of the Atlantic Ocean tend to use word 'racism' pretty much as an umbrella term for pretty much all forms of prejudices pertaining someone's ethnicity or nationality. Well, okay, maybe I shouldn't say 'surprised' - I'm simply not used to it. That's not to say that where I live there are no issues with racism - people here can be shockingly racist, and recent wave of populism has brought pretty ugly things to the surface ; thing is that 'racism', from my point of view, is something more specific than just general prejudice. And while I'd say that Solas is, yes, prejudiced, I think we can safely rule out racism out of the pool. I mean, I' don't think I really have to say anything more than what @element Zero has already said, but the basis for Solas's prejudice is far more complex than just feeling of superiority or hatefulness towards 'other races'. I simply don't think 'racism' is applicable, even if by the simple fact that 'modern Thedosians'... are not a race per se. If anything, I guess the word that *could* apply to Solas may be 'misanthrope', but even then it's not like Solas doesn't give us ample reason to think that he's not motivated by feeling of superiority or hatred towards people per se. Actually, a lot of his assessments seem pertain strictly matters of culture Inquisitor was raised in, rather than race per se. He wonders whether Dalish RAISED a person with a 'spirit like Inky's' and whether he's mistaken about them (and even if Inquisitor says that their decisions are theirs, he still wonders whether the Dalish guided them in a good direction). His balcony description of Qunari is *entirely* based on criticism of their culture - as evidenced by banter between him and Iron Bull. There's no reason to think others are different. Heck, when sometimes Solas nags about humans, we can even hear Cass agreeing with him at times. I'd also like to point out that Solas saying that Inky is an exception to the rule is entirely removed from the matter of race - if he likes our Inkys, he says the same thing to every Quizy no matter of their race. It seems more a matter of Inquisitor being unique in a world where most people have their conscious connection to the Fade cut or diminished - a matter Solas has very strong opinions on... which is entirely unsurprising, considering he's the one responsible for it. Yes, but like it was mentioned, he has some preconceived ideas NOT because of someone's race. We also have no clue whatsoever what he means when he says 'your people' and 'my people' and considering how vague he is with the whole thing, I'd say that we should probably wait and see wat exactly he means - personally, I'm expecting a couple of surprises, at the very least . And no, I don't think that we have any sort of 'decent hint' to suggest that Solas's people are more deserving. Trespasser especially put a dent in such claims. Why? Because Solas keeps framing his deeds as ways to return people - and the world - what he thinks he robbed them of ("the Veil took everything from the elves - even themselves". "I woke in a world where the Veil has cut most people's conscious connection to the Fade. It was like walking in a land of Tranquil". "Still, there's some hope for restoration.") and not returning the world to the most deserving or anything. Now that's unfair to Sera. If Inquisitor helps her to grow, she has as much of a chance to change as others do. She demonstrated so very well in Trespasser. And eh... I'm not sure I'd be arguing that Solas views aren't problematic at the very least, but... backwards? Considering that he's the one who knows how the world works and how it was, better than most people in or out of the universe, I'd say that it's too early to make a claim like that. Not that I'm saying that I agree with Solas going forward with his plan to change the world or anything - it's just... its obvious that he knows something we don't yet. And it's something so big that he suppresses his compassionate urges and disassociates himself from modern Thedosians, even though it's obvious he doesn't really want to. Whatever it is, when it's out of the bag, I expect it to make many minds and hearts reel.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Nov 5, 2016 2:42:49 GMT
I'd love to hear some opinions and guesses and maybe answers, because I seem to rush last information all the time, to some questions I have.
So, modern ancient elves (is that an oxymoron?) age now as regular modern elves, right? It's only sleeping their sleeping beauty sleep that allows them to be around thousands of years after they lost their magic?
Why do some modern ancient elves such as Solas retain the ability to use magic? Or were those temple ones just swinging around regular weapons because they wanted to and not because they were unmagicked?
Do you think Solas has a lot of agents that are modern ancient elves? Similar maybe to how Abelas and posse stuck around Mythal's temple and remained faithful, Solas might have his own group of ancient faithfuls?
Are all modern ancient elves Dreamers or is that a special ability of Solas since he was a not-god?
Is it popular opinion that elves shaved their heads before going to sleeping beauty sleep?
Does Solas only know common from perusing the Fade or how likely would it have been for the ancient elves to know the language?
Do you think Flemythal is common knowledge among the modern ancient elves that haven't isolated themselves in jungle temples?
That's all for now!
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Post by Elessara on Nov 5, 2016 2:58:37 GMT
I'd love to hear some opinions and guesses and maybe answers, because I seem to rush last information all the time, to some questions I have. So, modern ancient elves (is that an oxymoron?) age now as regular modern elves, right? It's only sleeping their sleeping beauty sleep that allows them to be around thousands of years after they lost their magic? Why do some modern ancient elves such as Solas retain the ability to use magic? Or were those temple ones just swinging around regular weapons because they wanted to and not because they were unmagicked? Do you think Solas has a lot of agents that are modern ancient elves? Similar maybe to how Abelas and posse stuck around Mythal's temple and remained faithful, Solas might have his own group of ancient faithfuls? Are all modern ancient elves Dreamers or is that a special ability of Solas since he was a not-god? Is it popular opinion that elves shaved their heads before going to sleeping beauty sleep? Does Solas only know common from perusing the Fade or how likely would it have been for the ancient elves to know the language? Do you think Flemythal is common knowledge among the modern ancient elves that haven't isolated themselves in jungle temples? That's all for now! I'll take a stab at some of these. We don't know if ancient elves who survived to modern day Thedas still age or not. I'm not sure if anyone asked the writers but I imagine they'd say "spoilers" if they had been asked. I think it's entirely possible that many of Solas' agents are ancient elves who survived to modern times either because they retained enough of a connection to the Fade to remain ageless or because they entered uthenera. I don't think all ancient elves were Dreamers. Although all elves had magic it still seems that being a Dreamer was more of a special ability. It was probably more common among the ancient elves as it is apparently incredibly rare in modern Thedas. I don't have much in the way of evidence to back up this belief though, so take it with a grain of salt. I doubt the common language existed in ancient times or certainly not in the form it does in modern Thedas. Languages change over time naturally. Even the Tevinter language has changed significantly as Dorian will tell you when you talk to Frederick in the Western Approach. It's entirely likely that Solas knows common from the Fade and from his various agents. I'm not even sure Mythal as Flemeth was known to Abelas and the other sentinel elves. Abelas says that Mythal was slain if a god can even be slain, which to me indicates that he believes she may still be around in some form but he's not sure. I honestly believe that Mythal has been trying to keep a low profile over the centuries, for whatever reason.
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Post by ellawyn on Nov 5, 2016 3:10:19 GMT
The linked article is good because it might open individuals' minds to issues they'd never before considered. The author was absolutely projecting her real life issues into the game, though. She admittedly entered the game without an understanding of the setting's internal dynamics. She picked a Qunari, the setting's ultimate oppressors, and was suprised that she was distrusted. She interpreted the scorn as oppression rather than fear, because she was projecting her real life experiences into the game. Well, I think in the case of Tal-Vashoth, they're more of an oppressed group than an oppressor. Qun-sympathetic Tal-Vashoth might fall under the latter, but a Tal Vashoth in general might not agree with or want to spread the Qun. Even though the Qun itself poses a very real and tangible threat to modern Thedas, the Qunari themselves might not actually be, depending on their leanings. (And jeez, having a discussion about the Qunari is weirdly difficult since we don't have a word for "the horned giant people who live to the North," since technically Qunari is not quite correct.) I'd love to hear some opinions and guesses and maybe answers, because I seem to rush last information all the time, to some questions I have. So, modern ancient elves (is that an oxymoron?) age now as regular modern elves, right? It's only sleeping their sleeping beauty sleep that allows them to be around thousands of years after they lost their magic? Why do some modern ancient elves such as Solas retain the ability to use magic? Or were those temple ones just swinging around regular weapons because they wanted to and not because they were unmagicked? Do you think Solas has a lot of agents that are modern ancient elves? Similar maybe to how Abelas and posse stuck around Mythal's temple and remained faithful, Solas might have his own group of ancient faithfuls? Are all modern ancient elves Dreamers or is that a special ability of Solas since he was a not-god? Is it popular opinion that elves shaved their heads before going to sleeping beauty sleep? Does Solas only know common from perusing the Fade or how likely would it have been for the ancient elves to know the language? Do you think Flemythal is common knowledge among the modern ancient elves that haven't isolated themselves in jungle temples? That's all for now! As far as I know, there's no canon confirmation that modern ancient elven are deprived of their immortality. That's mostly conjecture on the part of fans - it's not impossible, certainly, but don't take it for granted. Given that the people in the ToM apparently have had children, and had those children have been awake long enough for them to mature (One of the codex entries from Abelas mentions that there are young ones who were born after the fall and do not realize what has been lost), I'd say that it's unlikely Solas or the Sentinels have lost their immortality. The Sentinels were probably not uniformly mages because it would've made for boring and lop-sided gameplay (Or the creation of entirely new classes to gel with their magic.) I don't think they've lost the ability, though. Similarly, I think all ancient elvhen were dreamers, or could at least learn how to become one much more easily. I don't think there's much information on the rest, and I have no real opinion on any of it. Except I don't think the remaining ancient elves have much contact with each other. They presumably live in small, isolated pockets, cut off from each other and the rest of the world. EDIT: That does beg a question though, how the hell did Abelas know how to speak Common? Did he chat up those errant Dalish clans he found before calling them shadows and spitting at their feet?
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