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Post by Moondreamer on Nov 22, 2016 19:38:34 GMT
*sighs* I am trying to write some sexy Solavellan at the moment, and yet angst keep interrupting the flow. I wanted to keep it bantery and light, damnit! but then, with the conversation we've been having this morning, I guess it's useless to hope for lighthearted lol. It's my fault. I'm writing a fan graphic novel of the entire series, and at first I was going to put a mage with Solas, but I've been leaning towards "secret mage dreamer" rogue. And I was thinking about her being a dreamer and Solas being a dreamer and then Solas and what he'll be doing next game, and then BAM... He could stop the Quiz anytime. It's kinda funny. Bad villains that don't stop the good guys out of stupidity and laziness when they still could. Then we have this complex sympathetic villain who won't kill the good guys when he easily could because of... Honor? But either way, it gives too many chances to the Good Guys. Definitely not your fault. I can't write those two without twisting myself in a pretzel of angst. Right now, my brain came up with this. Not sure if I should be proud of my brain, or bring it to the woodshed to be shot lol : “I can’t stop thinking about Inquisitor Ameridan and Telanna...” Ellana said after a long while.
“Oh?”
“They fought and died in this valley, and no one ever knew. Without them to advocate for it, Halamshiral withdrew all support to Orlais at the worse possible time. But, what if they had returned home and managed to convince their people to join King Drakon’s effort against the Blight?”
“They might not have,” Solas pointed out. “Many disagreed with them.”
She sighed. “Maybe. But what if they had? How different would the world be, today? Without our disregard for Orlais’ plight during the second Blight, there might never have been an exalted march of the Dales. Halamshiral might still exist today, and we... we...” Her voice trailed off and she shook her head sadly.
Things might have turned up different indeed for the elves of southern Thedas.
“Or Halamshiral might have been conquered regardless. The fall of civilizations rarely hinge on a single event or a single person.”
“Do you really think so?”
Silence was Solas’ only answer.
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Post by phoray on Nov 22, 2016 19:42:26 GMT
It's my fault. I'm writing a fan graphic novel of the entire series, and at first I was going to put a mage with Solas, but I've been leaning towards "secret mage dreamer" rogue. And I was thinking about her being a dreamer and Solas being a dreamer and then Solas and what he'll be doing next game, and then BAM... He could stop the Quiz anytime. It's kinda funny. Bad villains that don't stop the good guys out of stupidity and laziness when they still could. Then we have this complex sympathetic villain who won't kill the good guys when he easily could because of... Honor? But either way, it gives too many chances to the Good Guys. Definitely not your fault. I can't write those two without twisting myself in a pretzel of angst. Right now, my brain came up with this. Not sure if I should be proud of my brain, or bring it to the woodshed to be shot lol : “I can’t stop thinking about Inquisitor Ameridan and Telanna...” Ellana said after a long while.
“Oh?”
“They fought and died in this valley, and no one ever knew. Without them to advocate for it, Halamshiral withdrew all support to Orlais at the worse possible time. But, what if they had returned home and managed to convince their people to join King Drakon’s effort against the Blight?”
“They might not have,” Solas pointed out. “Many disagreed with them.”
She sighed. “Maybe. But what if they had? How different would the world be, today? Without our disregard for Orlais’ plight during the second Blight, there might never have been an exalted march of the Dales. Halamshiral might still exist today, and we... we...” Her voice trailed off and she shook her head sadly.
Things might have turned up different indeed for the elves of southern Thedas.
“Or Halamshiral might have been conquered regardless. The fall of civilizations rarely hinge on a single event or a single person.”
“Do you really think so?”
Silence was Solas’ only answer. Damn right he better stay silent after droppin that hypocritcal bomb. Excellent writing by the way!
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Post by Moondreamer on Nov 22, 2016 19:44:53 GMT
phoray Awww, thanks *blushes* Worse part about it is I was writing about Lavellan's feeling on Ameridan, ended up with Solas trying to confort her by saying it might not have mattered... then I gave Solas the worse side-eye ever. Solas, you're the fricking guy who feels responsible for the fall of his own civilization (and probably is). I can't even *facepalm* Then, I decided it was too good an irony to rewrite.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 22, 2016 21:05:32 GMT
The Leliana decision was what made me so wary about that "choice" at the end whether or not to tell Solas you were going to stop him. My first play through with female Lavellan, I felt that at that point she hadn't been with the organisation long enough to start throwing her weight around, plus she was inexperienced in how people conducted themselves outside the clans, so she stood back and observed how Leliana dealt with it. Then months later, when she was the official leader from whom Leliana ought to be taking orders, she tells her not to kill that sister and she goes ahead and does it anyway.
So I'll be very unhappy if something said by my male Lavellan in the heat of the moment will mean it will be impossible to talk Solas out of doing something the next time they meet. The fact was there was no way he was going to sit back, enjoy the peace while it lasted and let Solas destroy the world and he wanted Solas to know that. I feel if Solas truly respected the Inquisitor as he said he did, then he would understand that. So a Leliana type of response to a reasonable plea for Solas not to go ahead would for me be very disappointing.
As for Felassan, I think it is relevant to understanding what was going on there that Felassan took the decision to accept his fate because he didn't want to be shown up by Michel. He could have just gone on the run and avoided Solas for the rest of his life "but Ser Michel had held to his word, and Felassan could not stomach letting some headstrong boy show him up." Ser Michal had held to his Chevalier code of honour even though it could mean his death and certainly his disgrace. So maybe Felassan even had some debt of honour to Solas that made his betrayal even more significant. Maybe everyone in Solas' rebellion swore an oath to one another or to their cause in much the same way that the Chevaliers do and that is why Felassan, in failing to carry out his task faithfully, acknowledged that he deserved to die. He must have guessed that Solas would be able to take back the eluvians anyway eventually, yet he still refused to take them from Briala and argued for her to be given a chance to use them. It would seem that Solas gave her that chance, so may be that was his way of atoning for killing his friend. (Since Felassan is an ancient elf dreamer, it is possible that he isn't totally dead, just a "wisp of an ancient being" like Mythal was, waiting for the day he can be reborn).
There does seem to be some underlying commitment or compulsion that binds Solas to his cause and likely bound Felassan to it as well. Just as Abelas and his sentinels were bound to the duty of guarding the Well. Ultimately though, it was possible to release them from that duty, so hopefully the same will be true of Solas.
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Post by Moondreamer on Nov 23, 2016 0:00:41 GMT
Just finished reading Magekillers. Anyone else read it? Is it just me or was the whole thing strangely disjointed? Like we were getting background information on characters that will become important later. Could they be setting up some DA4 (or side game, like tactics) characters up? Maybe not companions, but other important character we'll be seeing more of.
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Post by phoray on Nov 23, 2016 0:16:15 GMT
Just finished reading Magekillers. Anyone else read it? Is it just me or was the whole thing strangely disjointed? Like we were getting background information on characters that will become important later. Could they be setting up some DA4 (or side game, like tactics) characters up? Maybe not companions, but other important character we'll be seeing more of. I haven't read it, but I did find and read a review recently that essentially described the same problem. It keeps focusing on what happened previously, so most of each comic is catching up on what they're doing right then. Constantly living in the past is confusing. I don't know why they would choose that narrative format. I'm waiting to read it until it's all done and released in hardback, to go along with the rest of my books.
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Post by Moondreamer on Nov 23, 2016 0:22:23 GMT
It's frankly not worth the money I paid for it. I was hoping to glean more information about the Inquisition, but there really isn't anything there. Their missions for the Inquisitions are given no details. Only thing we learn is that Charter has a lover and Calpernia and Marius (main male character from the comics) have a history. And... nothing else. As I said, it's like getting a glimpse of the background information for characters that might or might not become important later.
Maybe if we see Marius and Tessa in DA4 going back to see their beginning might be fun. Else, I'd say to save yourself the expense.
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Post by phoray on Nov 23, 2016 0:27:17 GMT
It's frankly not worth the money I paid for it. I was hoping to glean more information about the Inquisition, but there really isn't anything there. Their missions for the Inquisitions are given no details. Only thing we learn is that Charter has a lover and Calpernia and Marius (main male character from the comics) have a history. And... nothing else. As I said, it's like getting a glimpse of the background information for characters that might or might not become important later. Maybe if we see Marius and Tessa in DA4 going back to see their beginning might be fun. Else, I'd say to save yourself the expense. The reviewer said that they may e able to pull it out of it's hole in the last two comics. Because they've released 3/5 right? So, I'm hoping they tie it up awesome? I'll be sure to check reviews on amazon come the time it's all don.e
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Post by Moondreamer on Nov 23, 2016 0:32:23 GMT
It's frankly not worth the money I paid for it. I was hoping to glean more information about the Inquisition, but there really isn't anything there. Their missions for the Inquisitions are given no details. Only thing we learn is that Charter has a lover and Calpernia and Marius (main male character from the comics) have a history. And... nothing else. As I said, it's like getting a glimpse of the background information for characters that might or might not become important later. Maybe if we see Marius and Tessa in DA4 going back to see their beginning might be fun. Else, I'd say to save yourself the expense. The reviewer said that they may e able to pull it out of it's hole in the last two comics. Because they've released 3/5 right? So, I'm hoping they tie it up awesome? I'll be sure to check reviews on amazon come the time it's all don.e I think it's completed? The comics lasted until the last fight with Corypheus (they clear the way for the Inquisitor) and it sounded like it was done. It didn't really get any better frankly. I loved the bit I could see of the characters we were presented, but it was so anecdotic you couldn't really get invested in anyone. Maybe that's why I would like seeing them again. The comics was narrated by Tessa (familial relationship to Cassandra? She's a Forsythia from Nevarra that used to live close to the Grand Necropolis. They might know each other, although it's not mentionned) and I liked her humor, but it was pretty much the only character we got to know anything about. *sighs* I saw potential but it's really not very good
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Post by phoray on Nov 23, 2016 0:39:53 GMT
The reviewer said that they may e able to pull it out of it's hole in the last two comics. Because they've released 3/5 right? So, I'm hoping they tie it up awesome? I'll be sure to check reviews on amazon come the time it's all don.e I think it's completed? The comics lasted until the last fight with Corypheus (they clear the way for the Inquisitor) and it sounded like it was done. It didn't really get any better frankly. I loved the bit I could see of the characters we were presented, but it was so anecdotic you couldn't really get invested in anyone. Maybe that's why I would like seeing them again. The comics was narrated by Tessa (familial relationship to Cassandra? She's a Forsythia from Nevarra that used to live close to the Grand Necropolis. They might know each other, although it's not mentionned) and I liked her humor, but it was pretty much the only character we got to know anything about. *sighs* I saw potential but it's really not very good huh. maybe I'd read an old review. *checks out Amazon* I see you are correct in that it is complete. the critical reviews say what you're saying. Hmmmmm.... May buy it anyway. Does it show Tevinter at all? It also mentions Charter, who for the life of me, I can not remember at all from the game.
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Post by Moondreamer on Nov 23, 2016 0:46:30 GMT
I think it's completed? The comics lasted until the last fight with Corypheus (they clear the way for the Inquisitor) and it sounded like it was done. It didn't really get any better frankly. I loved the bit I could see of the characters we were presented, but it was so anecdotic you couldn't really get invested in anyone. Maybe that's why I would like seeing them again. The comics was narrated by Tessa (familial relationship to Cassandra? She's a Forsythia from Nevarra that used to live close to the Grand Necropolis. They might know each other, although it's not mentionned) and I liked her humor, but it was pretty much the only character we got to know anything about. *sighs* I saw potential but it's really not very good huh. maybe I'd read an old review. *checks out Amazon* I see you are correct in that it is complete. the critical reviews say what you're saying. Hmmmmm.... May buy it anyway. Does it show Tevinter at all? It also mentions Charter, who for the life of me, I can not remember at all from the game. It shows Tevinther a little bit, but really not much as they're there only in the first issue and it's a whirlwind. As for Charter, she's the elven right hand of Leliana. She's the one in Crestwood telling you about the missing scout after you conquer Caer Bronash. She's also there in Haven bantering with a guy near to the house where you woke. She might also be around in Trespasser, I can't remember. She's in the running for one of Fen'Harel's spies, mostly because she's a spy for the Inquisition already, and an elf. MageKiller Spoiler : The Comics shows her and Tessa as lovers.
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Post by melbella on Nov 23, 2016 2:18:31 GMT
Yes, Charter is in Trespasser also. She hangs out in the area with the storage chest and wardrobe.
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Post by lynroy on Nov 23, 2016 2:51:15 GMT
Sorry, back to the whole Solas killing Fel thing. In my eyes Fel did fight back against Solas in his own way. He refused to get the Eluvian pass phrase and told Solas to give Briala a chance. I see that betrayal as a small act of rebellion and Fel accepts his fate for it. Now, Solas hasn't gone through the experience of being with the Inquisition yet so still sees the people in Thedas as gremlins and is full speed ahead with his plans. It's only after being with the Inquisition among the gremlins he sees the world has value. He goes through some personal growth. Without that personal growth, Fel is killed with no preamble, no discussion. Just finished reading Magekillers. Anyone else read it? Is it just me or was the whole thing strangely disjointed? Like we were getting background information on characters that will become important later. Could they be setting up some DA4 (or side game, like tactics) characters up? Maybe not companions, but other important character we'll be seeing more of. Inquisitor clean up crew? Yeah. That's what they were. The first two issues were interesting because it covered new ground, but after that Marius and Tess just go to places Inquisition covered and it was far less interesting.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Nov 23, 2016 4:48:32 GMT
Cute BJD but I'd have to mod it! I find the brow way too heavy for my lovely Dread Wolf. And the nose needs to be reshaped, too. I'm not familiar with MoDoll but Doll in Mind used to do custom sculpts - they had to make things look somewhat different for the purposes of not infringing on someone else's IP, but they still looked more like the people/characters they were based on than this sculpt does! (I have a Doll in Mind custom sculpt of Death from the Sandman and had to mod her nose a bit, but otherwise I was really pleased with the results.)
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Post by Sifr on Nov 23, 2016 5:32:18 GMT
From Solas's perspective Felassan endangered his entire plan - and there's no way of telling if he wouldn't do much more if he jumped ship, like.... oh, I don't know - warned Briala and others that unknown danger is coming or guiding someone to some other artifacts Solas may have wanted or whatever else. Felassan knew too much. He had to die. Reminds me of the end of Watchmen. (Spoiler tagged for those who've not read it or seen the film); Rorschach grimly accepts that Dr Manhattan will be forced to kill him to ensure his silence, since he threatens to expose Veidt's plan to avert nuclear war and ensure world peace, by tricking all of humanity into uniting against an enemy that doesn't actually exist.
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Post by rowrow on Nov 23, 2016 6:18:10 GMT
Sorry, back to the whole Solas killing Fel thing. In my eyes Fel did fight back against Solas in his own way. He refused to get the Eluvian pass phrase and told Solas to give Briala a chance. I see that betrayal as a small act of rebellion and Fel accepts his fate for it. Now, Solas hasn't gone through the experience of being with the Inquisition yet so still sees the people in Thedas as gremlins and is full speed ahead with his plans. It's only after being with the Inquisition among the gremlins he sees the world has value. He goes through some personal growth. Without that personal growth, Fel is killed with no preamble, no discussion. Yeah, but Felassan was an ancient elf too, right? He was already a person to Solas. Being in the Inquisition might have changed Solas' mind on some issues, but I doubt it changed his basic personality. The compassion we see in him during the game must have already existed for him to have led all those ancient slave rebellions and whatnot. The thing about Felassan's death scene is that it calls into question what kind of leader Solas is, even to those he considers his own kind. That's why just killing him like that is so disturbing. It's behaviour right out of the Villain Handbook.
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Post by lovelykotori on Nov 23, 2016 8:22:25 GMT
Oh dear finally.. the DAI:GOTY for 15 Euro! XD GOT IT. Looking forward to play the games finally with mods
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Oh dear finally.. the DAI:GOTY for 15 Euro! XD GOT IT. Looking forward to play the games finally with mods 63% off for GOTY and 75% off for the standard/digital deluxe editions right now. Holy crap. *Flails because I already own it*
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Post by lynroy on Nov 23, 2016 8:50:32 GMT
Sorry, back to the whole Solas killing Fel thing. In my eyes Fel did fight back against Solas in his own way. He refused to get the Eluvian pass phrase and told Solas to give Briala a chance. I see that betrayal as a small act of rebellion and Fel accepts his fate for it. Now, Solas hasn't gone through the experience of being with the Inquisition yet so still sees the people in Thedas as gremlins and is full speed ahead with his plans. It's only after being with the Inquisition among the gremlins he sees the world has value. He goes through some personal growth. Without that personal growth, Fel is killed with no preamble, no discussion. Yeah, but Felassan was an ancient elf too, right? He was already a person to Solas. Being in the Inquisition might have changed Solas' mind on some issues, but I doubt it changed his basic personality. The compassion we see in him during the game must have already existed for him to have led all those ancient slave rebellions and whatnot. The thing about Felassan's death scene is that it calls into question what kind of leader Solas is, even to those he considers his own kind. That's why just killing him like that is so disturbing. It's behaviour right out of the Villain Handbook. My point was that it mattered not who Felassan was, what mattered was the betrayal and the reason for his betrayal. Being with the Inquisition doesn't change Solas' personality, it changes his perspective on modern Thedas. Before Inquisition, Solas is not going to listen to any discussion about giving Briala a chance. She is not a person nor is anyone else. After Inquisition, he sees Felassan had a point and these non people are people who deserve a chance. This change in perspective does not change his plans or that Fel would still be killed for betraying him.
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Post by rowrow on Nov 23, 2016 9:24:44 GMT
Yeah, but Felassan was an ancient elf too, right? He was already a person to Solas. Being in the Inquisition might have changed Solas' mind on some issues, but I doubt it changed his basic personality. The compassion we see in him during the game must have already existed for him to have led all those ancient slave rebellions and whatnot. The thing about Felassan's death scene is that it calls into question what kind of leader Solas is, even to those he considers his own kind. That's why just killing him like that is so disturbing. It's behaviour right out of the Villain Handbook. My point was that it mattered not who Felassan was, what mattered was the betrayal and the reason for his betrayal. Being with the Inquisition doesn't change Solas' personality, it changes his perspective on modern Thedas. Before Inquisition, Solas is not going to listen to any discussion about giving Briala a chance. She is not a person nor is anyone else. After Inquisition, he sees Felassan had a point and these non people are people who deserve a chance. This change in perspective does not change his plans or that Fel would still be killed for betraying him. 'She is not a person nor is anyone else' - does that include Felassan? Because regardless of how strongly Solas felt about the necessity of his plains, it was uncharacteristically brutal of him to kill Felassan without even giving him a chance to explain himself. We've only seen Solas behave that way to people who've hurt innocents, like the mages who bound Wisdom. Briala may not be a person, but presumably Felassan is, so why not even give him a chance to change Solas' mind? Doesn't it seem out of character for Solas to behave that way? Does it seem to you that the Solas we know would be so unwilling to listen to someone he trusts, and get so enraged over a disagreement with his orders, that he'd just kill him, no questions asked?
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Post by javeart on Nov 23, 2016 9:38:52 GMT
I end up re-reading the final pages of TME and, as Gervaise21 said, it wasn't, as I remembered it, that he didn't see the point of trying to hide, but that he felt compelled by de Michel actions to confront Solas. Still, I didn't get the "guilt" vibe. And as lynroy is saying, I find him kind of challenging. It looks more like he just knows what Solas it's going to do and he acknowledges that he doesn't have a chance in a fight against him. And thinking about it, I still feel like it must have been a cold decision from Solas side. The truth it's when he's giving advice to Sera about how to lead a secret organization, he does already sound kind of harsh (he did to me, at least). Also, for what Coles says, that "his friend had to die" and that he's sad about it, it seems to me it should be something more like that. I don't think he'd say he's sad about killing the mages that tortured his friend. I always thought that, while very be compassionated, Solas has a very cold side, like when he talks wth IB about killing as an mean to an end... That comment seems very cold to me... You can be a somewhat violent person like IB, enjoy the fighting, or despise you're enemies and think they got it coming, or see it like self-defense (or to defend someone who is unable to defend him/herself), that it's how I usually see it. But the means to an end perspective, sounds cold. Somehow the fact that he has always in mind that the people we kill has loved one and all, just makes it worse I think, that's what makes him the kind of person that would kill a friend if he has to, and not even necessarily because he's feeling betrayed. I got the same feeling playing Trespasser once with an Inquisitor that did'nt romance him, when she asked him to join him, and he told her something like "would you be willing to kill even your best friend?" not this words, but something like that, and I thought about it for a moment, and of course not, I wouldn't, because that seems awfully heartless to me. And again I thought, man, you can be truly cold . And maybe cold it's not even the word, not if it can be as meaning that he has no feelings, but as in he's really capable of putting them aside and do what he thinks it's the right thing to do. Maybe it's more accurate to say he's "cerebral" (I'm sorry, I'm sure there's a better word for that in english I can't come up with ) And I have to say, that because something in mi head it's clearly messed up , while I don't think it's exactly a virtue, for some reason I kind of like that side of his personality, in "I know it's wrong but I can't help to like it" kind of way even if I still hope he will see reason at some point
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Post by Moondreamer on Nov 23, 2016 13:00:41 GMT
I think midnight tea has it right there. The moment Felassan refused to hand out the passphrase to Solas, he had commited treason to their cause and couldn't be allowed to live. That refusal is only a small betrayal, but what would it lead to if Felassan was left alive? Felassan now believes Briala and her people should get their chance, which put him in an adversarial position toward Solas and his plans to bring down the veil. From refusing to comply with an order to actively working against Solas, there's only one step. As leader of a rebellion, we are given many hints of how ruthless Solas can act. He would not have let such a loose thread as Felassan live Did he kill in anger, or did he kill in cold calculation? Perhaps a bit of the two. That betrayal from someone he had known for millenia (at the very least. My headcanon is that they were more than that. Friends most probably) must have been a real blow to Solas, who doesn't trust many. Thus, the anger. The calculation comes from the fact that he felt he HAD to kill Felassan. He saw no other option, unless he found Felassan spilling his secrets to Briala (and others) at a later date.
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Post by lynroy on Nov 23, 2016 14:23:30 GMT
'She is not a person nor is anyone else' - does that include Felassan? No. I meant 'She is not a person nor is anyone else [ born in modern Thedas]'. Fel is one of Solas' people and I don't claim otherwise. Because regardless of how strongly Solas felt about the necessity of his plains, it was uncharacteristically brutal of him to kill Felassan without even giving him a chance to explain himself. We've only seen Solas behave that way to people who've hurt innocents, like the mages who bound Wisdom. Briala may not be a person, but presumably Felassan is, so why not even give him a chance to change Solas' mind? Doesn't it seem out of character for Solas to behave that way? Does it seem to you that the Solas we know would be so unwilling to listen to someone he trusts, and get so enraged over a disagreement with his orders, that he'd just kill him, no questions asked? Aha! This is why I brought up the Inquisition changing Solas's perspective on Modern Thedas in the first place. The following is how I see it and may not be how others see it. I don't think at all that it was uncharacteristic of him to cut down Fel--mid sentence no less--because it's the Solas without experiences gained in Inquisition. Without those experiences in the Inquisition, Solas is not changing his perspective. There is no discussion, no chance for Fel to explain himself. He is a liability and a loose end. It doesn't matter that Fel was a friend, one of his people. He willingly failed his task and sealed his fate. Solas can be a cold and cruel individual. I mean, the way he uses the anchor to cripple an Inquisitor that tries to attack him. It still makes me laugh. Fel did tell Solas to give Briala a chance. Solas, before Inquisition--before interacting and mingling with modern Thedosians--is not going to listen at all. Felassan saw what Solas did not at the time. The Solas we see in Inquisition is undergoing a change (not in personality), growing to understand that these modern Thedosians are people. "You show a wisdom I have not seen since...sincemydeepestjourneysintotheancientmemoriesofthefade. You are not what I expected." "We aren't even people to you?" "Not at first. You showed me that I was wrong...again." We see Solas go from 'these modern thedosians are not people' to possibly falling in love depending on your Inquisitor. That change is the difference between Solas that killed Fel and Solas at the end of Trespasser and why I see the murder being in character.
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Post by javeart on Nov 23, 2016 14:42:48 GMT
I think midnight tea has it right there. The moment Felassan refused to hand out the passphrase to Solas, he had commited treason to their cause and couldn't be allowed to live. That refusal is only a small betrayal, but what would it lead to if Felassan was left alive? Felassan now believes Briala and her people should get their chance, which put him in an adversarial position toward Solas and his plans to bring down the veil. From refusing to comply with an order to actively working against Solas, there's only one step. As leader of a rebellion, we are given many hints of how ruthless Solas can act. He would not have let such a loose thread as Felassan live Did he kill in anger, or did he kill in cold calculation? Perhaps a bit of the two. That betrayal from someone he had known for millenia (at the very least. My headcanon is that they were more than that. Friends most probably) must have been a real blow to Solas, who doesn't trust many. Thus, the anger. The calculation comes from the fact that he felt he HAD to kill Felassan. He saw no other option, unless he found Felassan spilling his secrets to Briala (and others) at a later date. I too think that he sees Felassan as a friend, Cole says as much, but that's the point that I find interesting: that he's not exatly cold, that he really cares for people and that he's actually a very compassionate person, and still e is capable of doing terrible things. He's not just the kind of bad guy who doesn''t give a fuck about anyone, and can do terrible things because he doesn't care., he does them even if he cares. It's nice when you tell him you never thought of him as someone who could do something like that and he says thank you. I thinks it's such a cool character, despite broking my Inquisitor's heart twice I don't know, just how I see him, anyway,
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