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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 24, 2016 20:59:08 GMT
I think that essentially Solas is a "glass half empty" type of person. He may not always have been that way but his experiences have jaded him. He expects that every powerful organisation will end in corruption. He (and Felassan) believes that once a group of people (or an individual) has power, they will not voluntarily relinquish it. Likely he also expects to be betrayed at some point by everyone.
You will notice that he is never surprised or disappointed by people who do what he thinks are acting in the way he expected. He says as much over Iron Bull and letting the Chargers die. He also says as much to an Inquisitor he dislikes, particularly if they punch him.
However, the Inquisitor can surprise him in a good way. He says as much when he talks to you in the balcony scene and he is so surprised at the discovery that I think his question as to whether the anchor has affected you in any way is a genuine one. He just didn't expect to find that character having been nurtured in a modern Thedosian. I notice how Solas approves of those little acts of kindness and compassion that you do at the beginning in the Hinterlands. I don't think it is simply because Solas is a kind person himself but that it is so unexpected that you would trouble yourself to bring blankets to refugees or place flowers on the grave for a villager. Players often complain that these menial tasks are beneath their character but I think that is the whole reason that Solas is impressed. It is the very fact that as someone who is already being proclaimed as the Maker's Chosen, you could let it go to your head and feel such tasks were beneath your dignity but you don't.
I like to think that I also surprise him in a good way when I disband the Inquisition. I think he expects you to go back and try to sort things out while clinging onto whatever power you can. It suits his purpose that you will be keeping the peace but you won't be the only one doing that. I don't think it occurs to him that you would willingly disband the organisation and relinquish every bit of power that you had, particularly considering you have also lost the anchor as well, so I'm hoping that is something that will give him pause for thought.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 24, 2016 21:09:43 GMT
I think that essentially Solas is a "glass half empty" type of person. He may not always have been that way but his experiences have jaded him. He expects that every powerful organisation will end in corruption. He (and Felassan) believes that once a group of people (or an individual) has power, they will not voluntarily relinquish it. Likely he also expects to be betrayed at some point by everyone. You will notice that he is never surprised or disappointed by people who do what he thinks are acting in the way he expected. He says as much over Iron Bull and letting the Chargers die. He also says as much to an Inquisitor he dislikes, particularly if they punch him. However, the Inquisitor can surprise him in a good way. He says as much when he talks to you in the balcony scene and he is so surprised at the discovery that I think his question as to whether the anchor has affected you in any way is a genuine one. He just didn't expect to find that character having been nurtured in a modern Thedosian. I notice how Solas approves of those little acts of kindness and compassion that you do at the beginning in the Hinterlands. I don't think it is simply because Solas is a kind person himself but that it is so unexpected that you would trouble yourself to bring blankets to refugees or place flowers on the grave for a villager. Players often complain that these menial tasks are beneath their character but I think that is the whole reason that Solas is impressed. It is the very fact that as someone who is already being proclaimed as the Maker's Chosen, you could let it go to your head and feel such tasks were beneath your dignity but you don't. I like to think that I also surprise him in a good way when I disband the Inquisition. I think he expects you to go back and try to sort things out while clinging onto whatever power you can. It suits his purpose that you will be keeping the peace but you won't be the only one doing that. I don't think it occurs to him that you would willingly disband the organisation and relinquish every bit of power that you had, particularly considering you have also lost the anchor as well, so I'm hoping that is something that will give him pause for thought. That's right - Solas is what he declares himself to be: he *is* grim and fatalistic. To a T. He pretty much always expects the worst, out of the world or everyone else, which includes his friends and loved ones (and not necessarily because of their inherent fault, but being put in a crappy situation or not knowing any better or else). In his view it is justified, because he's been let down so many times and is in such crappy position that he seems to be literally unable to hope and have faith that things will be alright. He's broken that way - the Inquisitor can bring some of that hope and faith back. This is also why Solas seems to be looking forward to be 'proven wrong' (again) - because proving him wrong means that the world is a better place than he currently thinks it is.
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Post by javeart on Nov 24, 2016 21:29:51 GMT
I think that essentially Solas is a "glass half empty" type of person. He may not always have been that way but his experiences have jaded him. He expects that every powerful organisation will end in corruption. He (and Felassan) believes that once a group of people (or an individual) has power, they will not voluntarily relinquish it. Likely he also expects to be betrayed at some point by everyone. You will notice that he is never surprised or disappointed by people who do what he thinks are acting in the way he expected. He says as much over Iron Bull and letting the Chargers die. He also says as much to an Inquisitor he dislikes, particularly if they punch him. However, the Inquisitor can surprise him in a good way. He says as much when he talks to you in the balcony scene and he is so surprised at the discovery that I think his question as to whether the anchor has affected you in any way is a genuine one. He just didn't expect to find that character having been nurtured in a modern Thedosian. I notice how Solas approves of those little acts of kindness and compassion that you do at the beginning in the Hinterlands. I don't think it is simply because Solas is a kind person himself but that it is so unexpected that you would trouble yourself to bring blankets to refugees or place flowers on the grave for a villager. Players often complain that these menial tasks are beneath their character but I think that is the whole reason that Solas is impressed. It is the very fact that as someone who is already being proclaimed as the Maker's Chosen, you could let it go to your head and feel such tasks were beneath your dignity but you don't. I like to think that I also surprise him in a good way when I disband the Inquisition. I think he expects you to go back and try to sort things out while clinging onto whatever power you can. It suits his purpose that you will be keeping the peace but you won't be the only one doing that. I don't think it occurs to him that you would willingly disband the organisation and relinquish every bit of power that you had, particularly considering you have also lost the anchor as well, so I'm hoping that is something that will give him pause for thought. I agree. Also, helping the refugees is one of the few of the (for me) boring side-quests I like to do to get power enough to go on with the main missions, and it's true that he always approve of that kind of things, and I'd always have said that he's just approving the kindness itself, but from now on I'm headcanoning that it's more about what you say, I like the idea
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Post by Sifr on Nov 25, 2016 6:23:12 GMT
I've tought about this too and, though obvioulsy I have nothing to support it, I think this could be the reason for the dissonance... and I think too that the "sad wolve" line was maybe the way Weekes saw to reconcile that first more "evil" Solas of TME with the one we see in Inquisition. Trespasser may have reconciled it somewhat, with the notion that Fen'Harel is not only his nom de guerre, but the mask he wears as the Dread Wolf. "I was Solas first. "Fen'Harel" came later... an insult I took as a badge of pride. The Dread Wolf inspired hope in my friends and fear in my enemies... not unlike "Inquisitor" I suppose. You also know the burden of a title that all but replaces your name."
This could be why Felassan was afraid. He knew that his refusal to give over the pass-phrase would mean that he'd be struck down as any other enemy of the Dread Wolf would. He may have been friends with Solas, but he feared Fen'Harel. I'm not trying to infer that Solas has a split personality however, merely that the adopted persona of Fen'Harel allows Solas to compartmentalise the necessary evils he must do to accomplish his goals, even though he might personally regret at having to do them.
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Post by forgetmenot on Nov 25, 2016 8:05:42 GMT
I've tought about this too and, though obvioulsy I have nothing to support it, I think this could be the reason for the dissonance... and I think too that the "sad wolve" line was maybe the way Weekes saw to reconcile that first more "evil" Solas of TME with the one we see in Inquisition. Trespasser may have reconciled it somewhat, with the notion that Fen'Harel is not only his nom de guerre, but the mask he wears as the Dread Wolf. "I was Solas first. "Fen'Harel" came later... an insult I took as a badge of pride. The Dread Wolf inspired hope in my friends and fear in my enemies... not unlike "Inquisitor" I suppose. You also know the burden of a title that all but replaces your name."
This could be why Felassan was afraid. He knew that his refusal to give over the pass-phrase would mean that he'd be struck down as any other enemy of the Dread Wolf would. He may have been friends with Solas, but he feared Fen'Harel. I'm not trying to infer that Solas has a split personality however, merely that the adopted persona of Fen'Harel allows Solas to compartmentalise the necessary evils he must do to accomplish his goals, even though he might personally regret at having to do them. I've been thinking the same thing but couldn't put it into words with it sounding like I thought Solas has a split personality coz its not that its like you said he compartmentalizes the ruthless things he does as Fen'Harel. He keeps them as separate as he possibly can but still it makes Solas the man sad at the things he has to do as Fen'Harel the leader. Like he said in one of his first dialogues, "posturing is necessary". He can't come across as soft as Fen'Harel. That's why he had to kill Fellasan. It was Fen'Harel that struck him down, not the Solas we've come to know. In his eyes, if he'd let him live he was basically saying that betraying him was OK.
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Post by javeart on Nov 25, 2016 8:37:38 GMT
I've tought about this too and, though obvioulsy I have nothing to support it, I think this could be the reason for the dissonance... and I think too that the "sad wolve" line was maybe the way Weekes saw to reconcile that first more "evil" Solas of TME with the one we see in Inquisition. Trespasser may have reconciled it somewhat, with the notion that Fen'Harel is not only his nom de guerre, but the mask he wears as the Dread Wolf. "I was Solas first. "Fen'Harel" came later... an insult I took as a badge of pride. The Dread Wolf inspired hope in my friends and fear in my enemies... not unlike "Inquisitor" I suppose. You also know the burden of a title that all but replaces your name."
This could be why Felassan was afraid. He knew that his refusal to give over the pass-phrase would mean that he'd be struck down as any other enemy of the Dread Wolf would. He may have been friends with Solas, but he feared Fen'Harel. I'm not trying to infer that Solas has a split personality however, merely that the adopted persona of Fen'Harel allows Solas to compartmentalise the necessary evils he must do to accomplish his goals, even though he might personally regret at having to do them. I like this too, it makes sense because we all fill different roles in our lifes, and sometimes some of them takes us (or we use them to move) in directions that seems hardly reconciliable, and I agree it doesn't mean a split personality at all. Also, after Trespasser I got the impression that after all he was in "war-mode" all the time, even if he didn't seem to, playing the "quiet elven mage" as IB puts it. Still, (I'm repeating myself a lot, forgive me ) I understand he's doing all of this becaue he thinks it's the right thing to do, and I guess overcoming his own feelings, can be seen a sign of strength and commitment with a cause, but even so... Just saying "guilt is a distraction", as he says to Blackwall, or "violence is a means to an end" as he says to IB, or the line about killing your best friend if necessary, even the way he breaks with Lavellan because he has to and those lines about turning your pain into a cutting edge and how an emotional entanglement would benefit neither of you (I don't remeber exactly how he says it) so, moving on, let's talk about Corypheus... I don't now, it might be that I'm a very emotional person, but I can help it, I find him kind of cold, and I did even before Trespasser, because of some banter and other things. And the same time, I think he's a really good guy, I might think he's cold but I dn't think he's ever being cruel, and I'm sure his intentions are the best. But the best friend line... that killed me. I'm thinking he knows so many things we still don't know, maybe doing what he's planning it's nothing but necessary in the end, maybe the blight would destroy the world otherwise or who knows what other dangers could still await us. But even so, you tell me I have to kill in cold blood someone I love or the world ends, and I'm telling you, the world ends right there, right then I just couldn't. So, I'm still seeing a dark side there, I can't help it. That I see him that way, doesn't mean I like the character any less though, I love his flaws, what I perceive as coldness, his arrogance, his pessimis... in an wierd way, flaws are part of what makes any character great, I don't know. Again, forgive me all for repeating myself this much I don't think I can explain my view on Solas any better, anyway, so I don't know exactly wthat I'm aiming for And I think people pointing out that there's some much we don't know about him is right, we still haven't seen a big part of the picture surely, so, we'll find out more in future games and books (hopefully) I have to say that, in any case, I love learning about all your different takes on his character and his new role as villain particularly since I have a vey long pt still very fresh and I'm thinking a little about all these things lately Also, suddenly it ocurred to me, that I don't know how they could reconcile a scenario where's Solas is killed and one where he's redeemed. Solas is not a character that you can just put aside and go on with other stories without having to worry about his impact. He seems to be the kind of guy who is going always going to be in the middle of every mess in the world, and he's very powerfull. Maybe there will be no confrontation with him until the very end (and I don't want to think that DA is going to have an end ever ) or maybe he will loose his power??? Otherwise, I'm afraid we might redeemed him, but might die just the same. I really not ready for his death If any of you have ideas about how we could get a happy ending, I'd love to hear them (I'd love it as in, please, tell me you have one )
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Post by forgetmenot on Nov 25, 2016 9:23:31 GMT
Trespasser may have reconciled it somewhat, with the notion that Fen'Harel is not only his nom de guerre, but the mask he wears as the Dread Wolf. "I was Solas first. "Fen'Harel" came later... an insult I took as a badge of pride. The Dread Wolf inspired hope in my friends and fear in my enemies... not unlike "Inquisitor" I suppose. You also know the burden of a title that all but replaces your name."
This could be why Felassan was afraid. He knew that his refusal to give over the pass-phrase would mean that he'd be struck down as any other enemy of the Dread Wolf would. He may have been friends with Solas, but he feared Fen'Harel. I'm not trying to infer that Solas has a split personality however, merely that the adopted persona of Fen'Harel allows Solas to compartmentalise the necessary evils he must do to accomplish his goals, even though he might personally regret at having to do them. I like this too, it makes sense because we all fill different roles in our lifes, and sometimes some of them takes us (or we use them to move) in directions that seems hardly reconciliable, and I agree it doesn't mean a split personality at all. Also, after Trespasser I got the impression that after all he was in "war-mode" all the time, even if he didn't seem to, playing the "quiet elven mage" as IB puts it. Still, (I'm repeating myself a lot, forgive me ) I understand he's doing all of this becaue he thinks it's the right thing to do, and I guess overcoming his own feelings, can be seen a sign of strength and commitment with a cause, but even so... Just saying "guilt is a distraction", as he says to Blackwall, or "violence is a means to an end" as he says to IB, or the line about killing your best friend if necessary, even the way he breaks with Lavellan because he has to and those lines about turning your pain into a cutting edge and how an emotional entanglement would benefit neither of you (I don't remeber exactly how he says it) so, moving on, let's talk about Corypheus... I don't now, it might be that I'm a very emotional person, but I can help it, I find him kind of cold, and I did even before Trespasser, because of some banter and other things. And the same time, I think he's a really good guy, I might think he's cold but I dn't think he's ever being cruel, and I'm sure his intentions are the best. But the best friend line... that killed me. I'm thinking he knows so many things we still don't know, maybe doing what he's planning it's nothing but necessary in the end, maybe the blight would destroy the world otherwise or who knows what other dangers could still await us. But even so, you tell me I have to kill in cold blood someone I love or the world ends, and I'm telling you, the world ends right there, right then I just couldn't. So, I'm still seeing a dark side there, I can't help it. That I see him that way, doesn't mean I like the character any less though, I love his flaws, what I perceive as coldness, his arrogance, his pessimis... in an wierd way, flaws are part of what makes any character great, I don't know. Again, forgive me all for repeating myself this much I don't think I can explain my view on Solas any better, anyway, so I don't know exactly wthat I'm aiming for And I think people pointing out that there's some much we don't know about him is right, we still haven't seen a big part of the picture surely, so, we'll find out more in future games and books (hopefully) I have to say that, in any case, I love learning about all your different takes on his character and his new role as villain particularly since I have a vey long pt still very fresh and I'm thinking a little about all these things lately Also, suddenly it ocurred to me, that I don't know how they could reconcile a scenario where's Solas is killed and one where he's redeemed. Solas is not a character that you can just put aside and go on with other stories without having to worry about his impact. He seems to be the kind of guy who is going always going to be in the middle of every mess in the world, and he's very powerfull. Maybe there will be no confrontation with him until the very end (and I don't want to think that DA is going to have an end ever ) or maybe he will loose his power??? Otherwise, I'm afraid we might redeemed him, but might die just the same. I really not ready for his death If any of you have ideas about how we could get a happy ending, I'd love to hear them (I'd love it as in, please, tell me you have one ) I'm terrified of him dying. I think it would break me (and yes I'm aware none of it is real haha). If he does have to die, I don't want him to die alone. If my Lavallen ever had to kill him, she wouldn't survive it herself. When I first did his romance, it was my 3rd playthrough so I knew who he was and I didn't like him before I saw the softer side of him due to the romance and can remember for the 1st half of the playthrough I was shocked at how much I was feeling for him and Lavallen. I kept trying to find things that would put a halt on the feels so when we entered the Fade after Adamant I thought aha! I'd completely forgotten what the fear gravestones said and thought that it would say something bad about him which would reignite my dislike for him and all would be right in the world again but it just said.. "Dying alone". I stared at the screen.. Hit me right in the vhenan. My plan didn't work. Now I'm stuck forever. I've come to the conclusion that the solavellan hell spiral is inescapable and will follow me around for the rest of my life. But its OK. I've accepted it. I just really hope we don't have to kill him at any point ever. Sorry. Went off on a tangent :whistles:
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Post by javeart on Nov 25, 2016 9:33:52 GMT
I'm terrified of him dying. I think it would break me (and yes I'm aware none of it is real haha). If he does have to die, I don't want him to die alone. If my Lavallen ever had to kill him, she wouldn't survive it herself. When I first did his romance, it was my 3rd playthrough so I knew who he was and I didn't like him before I saw the softer side of him due to the romance and can remember for the 1st half of the playthrough I was shocked at how much I was feeling for him and Lavallen. I kept trying to find things that would put a halt on the feels so when we entered the Fade after Adamant I thought aha! I'd completely forgotten what the fear gravestones said and thought that it would say something bad about him which would reignite my dislike for him and all would be right in the world again but it just said.. "Dying alone". I stared at the screen.. Hit me right in the vhenan. My plan didn't work. Now I'm stuck forever. I've come to the conclusion that the solavellan hell spiral is inescapable and will follow me around for the rest of my life. But its OK. I've accepted it. I just really hope we don't have to kill him at any point ever. Sorry. Went off on a tangent :whistles: I totally understand, this last time, when I finshed Trespasser, I was really thinking "fuck it, I'm not finishing DA4 if finishing it requieres klling him, I'm so not killing him" I remember we all solasmancers (or most of us, anyway) were at first just hoping for reconciliation, now I've lowered the bar so much, I just don't want him to die
And I have to say that, while I don't want to see all of Thedas' people dead, of course , the idea of a world without the veil sounds all kinds of cool if only there was another way!!
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Post by forgetmenot on Nov 25, 2016 14:51:34 GMT
I'm terrified of him dying. I think it would break me (and yes I'm aware none of it is real haha). If he does have to die, I don't want him to die alone. If my Lavallen ever had to kill him, she wouldn't survive it herself. When I first did his romance, it was my 3rd playthrough so I knew who he was and I didn't like him before I saw the softer side of him due to the romance and can remember for the 1st half of the playthrough I was shocked at how much I was feeling for him and Lavallen. I kept trying to find things that would put a halt on the feels so when we entered the Fade after Adamant I thought aha! I'd completely forgotten what the fear gravestones said and thought that it would say something bad about him which would reignite my dislike for him and all would be right in the world again but it just said.. "Dying alone". I stared at the screen.. Hit me right in the vhenan. My plan didn't work. Now I'm stuck forever. I've come to the conclusion that the solavellan hell spiral is inescapable and will follow me around for the rest of my life. But its OK. I've accepted it. I just really hope we don't have to kill him at any point ever. Sorry. Went off on a tangent :whistles: I totally understand, this last time, when I finshed Trespasser, I was really thinking "fuck it, I'm not finishing DA4 if finishing it requieres klling him, I'm so not killing him" I remember we all solasmancers (or most of us, anyway) were at first just hoping for reconciliation, now I've lowered the bar so much, I just don't want him to die
And I have to say that, while I don't want to see all of Thedas' people dead, of course , the idea of a world without the veil sounds all kinds of cool if only there was another way!!
Haha I won't finish it either! I'll turn it off just before and then make up my own ending in my head like "veil came down and nothing bad happened, everyone was happy and everything was magical and Solas and Lavellan got married and had lots of babies. The End." Haha
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Post by Moondreamer on Nov 25, 2016 15:15:24 GMT
Trespasser may have reconciled it somewhat, with the notion that Fen'Harel is not only his nom de guerre, but the mask he wears as the Dread Wolf. "I was Solas first. "Fen'Harel" came later... an insult I took as a badge of pride. The Dread Wolf inspired hope in my friends and fear in my enemies... not unlike "Inquisitor" I suppose. You also know the burden of a title that all but replaces your name."
This could be why Felassan was afraid. He knew that his refusal to give over the pass-phrase would mean that he'd be struck down as any other enemy of the Dread Wolf would. He may have been friends with Solas, but he feared Fen'Harel. I'm not trying to infer that Solas has a split personality however, merely that the adopted persona of Fen'Harel allows Solas to compartmentalise the necessary evils he must do to accomplish his goals, even though he might personally regret at having to do them. I like this too, it makes sense because we all fill different roles in our lifes, and sometimes some of them takes us (or we use them to move) in directions that seems hardly reconciliable, and I agree it doesn't mean a split personality at all. Also, after Trespasser I got the impression that after all he was in "war-mode" all the time, even if he didn't seem to, playing the "quiet elven mage" as IB puts it. Still, (I'm repeating myself a lot, forgive me ) I understand he's doing all of this becaue he thinks it's the right thing to do, and I guess overcoming his own feelings, can be seen a sign of strength and commitment with a cause, but even so... Just saying "guilt is a distraction", as he says to Blackwall, or "violence is a means to an end" as he says to IB, or the line about killing your best friend if necessary, even the way he breaks with Lavellan because he has to and those lines about turning your pain into a cutting edge and how an emotional entanglement would benefit neither of you (I don't remeber exactly how he says it) so, moving on, let's talk about Corypheus... I don't now, it might be that I'm a very emotional person, but I can help it, I find him kind of cold, and I did even before Trespasser, because of some banter and other things. And the same time, I think he's a really good guy, I might think he's cold but I dn't think he's ever being cruel, and I'm sure his intentions are the best. But the best friend line... that killed me. I'm thinking he knows so many things we still don't know, maybe doing what he's planning it's nothing but necessary in the end, maybe the blight would destroy the world otherwise or who knows what other dangers could still await us. But even so, you tell me I have to kill in cold blood someone I love or the world ends, and I'm telling you, the world ends right there, right then I just couldn't. So, I'm still seeing a dark side there, I can't help it. That I see him that way, doesn't mean I like the character any less though, I love his flaws, what I perceive as coldness, his arrogance, his pessimis... in an wierd way, flaws are part of what makes any character great, I don't know. Again, forgive me all for repeating myself this much I don't think I can explain my view on Solas any better, anyway, so I don't know exactly wthat I'm aiming for And I think people pointing out that there's some much we don't know about him is right, we still haven't seen a big part of the picture surely, so, we'll find out more in future games and books (hopefully) I have to say that, in any case, I love learning about all your different takes on his character and his new role as villain particularly since I have a vey long pt still very fresh and I'm thinking a little about all these things lately Also, suddenly it ocurred to me, that I don't know how they could reconcile a scenario where's Solas is killed and one where he's redeemed. Solas is not a character that you can just put aside and go on with other stories without having to worry about his impact. He seems to be the kind of guy who is going always going to be in the middle of every mess in the world, and he's very powerfull. Maybe there will be no confrontation with him until the very end (and I don't want to think that DA is going to have an end ever ) or maybe he will loose his power??? Otherwise, I'm afraid we might redeemed him, but might die just the same. I really not ready for his death If any of you have ideas about how we could get a happy ending, I'd love to hear them (I'd love it as in, please, tell me you have one ) There's defininitely something very cold and ruthless to Solas' personnality, even if we didn't get to see much of it in anything but dialogue in the main game. He might be a man who cares at heart, but he's played thi game long enough to be both pessimistic about people.s flaws and realistic in what needs to be done. The thoery is that he was a "guardian" of sort of Mythal, perhaps a general in her wars with the titan, then a rebellion leader. In those times, I'm sure he had to take decisions that led to the death of people, including people he might have liked. Heck, our Inquisitor is no different in that regard with the decisions we take all through the game. He has blood on his hand just like we have blood on ours. Felassan I think knew him well enough to surmise how he' react to what he would consider a betrayal. Understood it well enough to know there would be no arguing. He's probably seen Solas cut down traitors before (someone mentionned a hardened Leliana before and I agree about the similarities with Solas.)
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Post by Moondreamer on Nov 25, 2016 15:27:08 GMT
I totally understand, this last time, when I finshed Trespasser, I was really thinking "fuck it, I'm not finishing DA4 if finishing it requieres klling him, I'm so not killing him" I remember we all solasmancers (or most of us, anyway) were at first just hoping for reconciliation, now I've lowered the bar so much, I just don't want him to die
And I have to say that, while I don't want to see all of Thedas' people dead, of course , the idea of a world without the veil sounds all kinds of cool if only there was another way!!
Haha I won't finish it either! I'll turn it off just before and then make up my own ending in my head like "veil came down and nothing bad happened, everyone was happy and everything was magical and Solas and Lavellan got married and had lots of babies. The End." Haha Or perhaps we can be super optimistic and think that, whatever decision we make, Solas survives in the end. Wouldn't that piss off those who absolutely want to murder-knife him lol!
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Post by phoray on Nov 25, 2016 18:00:10 GMT
I read a fan idea that the veil won't come down all at once if you choose to redeem. So. Solas and Lavellan go into uthanara together and wake up in 1000 years to a world that gently had the veil dissolve and lead their people in the new world together. That only the sudden tear down would make it go boom.
Probably not what's going to happen, but it pleases me to think about it.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Nov 25, 2016 18:58:14 GMT
I read a fan idea that the veil won't come down all at once if you choose to redeem. So. Solas and Lavellan go into uthanara together and wake up in 1000 years to a world that gently had the veil dissolve and lead their people in the new world together. That only the sudden tear down would make it go boom. Probably not what's going to happen, but it pleases me to think about it. I really, really don't want that to be the happy ending or happiest ending for a Solas romance. My Lavellan would never do that. Waking up in an alien world with all the people that you cared about and that trusted you gone? No, thank you. That's exactly what happened to Solas, but for our Lavellan it's supposed to be positive because Solas says so? Oh, and he's there so that makes the loss of the people that raised you (if your clan is still alive), the people that fought for you and put their faith in you, and all the people you went out of your way to save, okay? My Lavellan loves Solas, but there's a line to be drawn for what you'll do for your lover and what you'll sacrifice for him and your love. She would be giving up everything for him.
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Post by phoray on Nov 25, 2016 19:18:47 GMT
I read a fan idea that the veil won't come down all at once if you choose to redeem. So. Solas and Lavellan go into uthanara together and wake up in 1000 years to a world that gently had the veil dissolve and lead their people in the new world together. That only the sudden tear down would make it go boom. Probably not what's going to happen, but it pleases me to think about it. I really, really don't want that to be the happy ending or happiest ending for a Solas romance. My Lavellan would never do that. Waking up in an alien world with all the people that you cared about and that trusted you gone? No, thank you. That's exactly what happened to Solas, but for our Lavellan it's supposed to be positive because Solas says so? Oh, and he's there so that makes the loss of the people that raised you (if your clan is still alive), the people that fought for you and put their faith in you, and all the people you went out of your way to save, okay? My Lavellan loves Solas, but there's a line to be drawn for what you'll do for your lover and what you'll sacrifice for him and your love. She would be giving up everything for him.
dgement 2.1: Additional Option for Solas LIs - Look, I'll admit I really like Solas as a character, so much so that the events between him and the Inquisitor are one of the major factors as to why I wrote this little project ... but the thing is I don't think he deserves a "happy" end (at least not without great sacrifice to achieve it). He is a criminal, responsible for the deaths and destruction of thousands, his own world, and would have repeated those mistakes again if given the chance. As such, as a rule of thumb, there is nothing he can do at this point to earn "happiness" for himself and within the restrictions of this I have decided his happiest endings should only be achieved by how much a Lavellan PC is willing to sacrifice of themselves for him to gain them. Solas' greatest fear is, after all, dying alone. There are two routes to this LI end: 1) (if you did not become an Abomination) Levallan returns to a state of uthenera with Solas and lives out the remainder of their mortal life alongside him in the world the two of them helped create. While they may have their life extended by the return of the Fade, I personally don't believe a Modern Elf directly transitioned into that veil-less environment can ever regain their true immortality (they don't get seem to regain it while physically within the Fade, so hence my assumption). The price of course is a Levallan PC would have to sacrifice their current life in Modern Thedas to live out their life with him (and everything that entails, including a family); And 2) (Abomination with Razikale) - They are now an Immortal and therefore will outlive their lives in the South regardless of their intentions and are now perfectly capable of standing alongside Solas for an eternity, once he regains his immortality after the Fade returns of course. However, the penalty is rather obvious. Their body and time are not simply theirs alone, they now are jointly shared by another ... one who the Inquisitor owes their allegiance. The contract with Razikale must be fulfilled and their eternal counterpart first and foremost demands her sibling's freedom. In essence, to have the chance to living an eternity with Solas the Lavellan PC has given up half of themselves and therefore half of their time.
-"Content"- Regardless of which option is chosen, once the decision is made both Parties (with Solas in tow if he is saved) leave the no longer frozen world of the Fade to warn their own of the changes soon to come, changes that they would have no choice but to prepare for. If Solas is judged and executed the Tevinter PC will shatter the initial Eluvian that brought them to High Arlathan on the way out, so that no one can trespass their again. If Solas remains alive the Gaess prevents him from breaking his word and returning to the Fade prematurely, thus he simply closes the Eluvian behind them. Following the groups return to the Ruins of Arlathan, the final Inquisitor PC scene plays out where they say their goodbyes and take their leave (provided they survived the battle with Solas): To make sure that Solas returns to uthenera and in some cases join him; To return to the South and their loved ones back home; or to vanish into myth for a time, bound to their deal with Razikale and obligated to fulfill their end of the bargain. Dorian LI's will also be given an option to finally be with Dorian permanently during this cut-scene. Leaving only temporarily to deal with a some unfinished business in the South, before they can finally once again to return to Tevinter and their LI. If a PC ends up with any of the finale options that prevent them from returning to the South (including their death) Scout Harding returns to the South alone to inform them of the fall of the Veil and if applicable take up the mantle of Inquisitor herself in the Inquisitor's stead.
In the spoiler is a quote from his thread bsn.boards.net/thread/905/dumb-ideas-transferred-dual-storyline?page=2I'm a huge fan I this Fan's work. Anyway. I bolded the relevant thought. I like storylines where happiness comes with a price.
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Post by javeart on Nov 25, 2016 19:28:12 GMT
I read a fan idea that the veil won't come down all at once if you choose to redeem. So. Solas and Lavellan go into uthanara together and wake up in 1000 years to a world that gently had the veil dissolve and lead their people in the new world together. That only the sudden tear down would make it go boom. Probably not what's going to happen, but it pleases me to think about it. I really, really don't want that to be the happy ending or happiest ending for a Solas romance. My Lavellan would never do that. Waking up in an alien world with all the people that you cared about and that trusted you gone? No, thank you. That's exactly what happened to Solas, but for our Lavellan it's supposed to be positive because Solas says so? Oh, and he's there so that makes the loss of the people that raised you (if your clan is still alive), the people that fought for you and put their faith in you, and all the people you went out of your way to save, okay? My Lavellan loves Solas, but there's a line to be drawn for what you'll do for your lover and what you'll sacrifice for him and your love. She would be giving up everything for him. (I think) I know what you mean and I agree, surely it's not going to happen anything like that... Very personal choice in any case But for me it would be very tempting, because I would really like to know that world... I mean, I'm ready to go to Andromeda, and probably it's not going to end up being that much different from the MW at least this sounds like something really different and worth seeing
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Nov 25, 2016 19:29:48 GMT
I really, really don't want that to be the happy ending or happiest ending for a Solas romance. My Lavellan would never do that. Waking up in an alien world with all the people that you cared about and that trusted you gone? No, thank you. That's exactly what happened to Solas, but for our Lavellan it's supposed to be positive because Solas says so? Oh, and he's there so that makes the loss of the people that raised you (if your clan is still alive), the people that fought for you and put their faith in you, and all the people you went out of your way to save, okay? My Lavellan loves Solas, but there's a line to be drawn for what you'll do for your lover and what you'll sacrifice for him and your love. She would be giving up everything for him.
dgement 2.1: Additional Option for Solas LIs - Look, I'll admit I really like Solas as a character, so much so that the events between him and the Inquisitor are one of the major factors as to why I wrote this little project ... but the thing is I don't think he deserves a "happy" end (at least not without great sacrifice to achieve it). He is a criminal, responsible for the deaths and destruction of thousands, his own world, and would have repeated those mistakes again if given the chance. As such, as a rule of thumb, there is nothing he can do at this point to earn "happiness" for himself and within the restrictions of this I have decided his happiest endings should only be achieved by how much a Lavellan PC is willing to sacrifice of themselves for him to gain them. Solas' greatest fear is, after all, dying alone. There are two routes to this LI end: 1) (if you did not become an Abomination) Levallan returns to a state of uthenera with Solas and lives out the remainder of their mortal life alongside him in the world the two of them helped create. While they may have their life extended by the return of the Fade, I personally don't believe a Modern Elf directly transitioned into that veil-less environment can ever regain their true immortality (they don't get seem to regain it while physically within the Fade, so hence my assumption). The price of course is a Levallan PC would have to sacrifice their current life in Modern Thedas to live out their life with him (and everything that entails, including a family); And 2) (Abomination with Razikale) - They are now an Immortal and therefore will outlive their lives in the South regardless of their intentions and are now perfectly capable of standing alongside Solas for an eternity, once he regains his immortality after the Fade returns of course. However, the penalty is rather obvious. Their body and time are not simply theirs alone, they now are jointly shared by another ... one who the Inquisitor owes their allegiance. The contract with Razikale must be fulfilled and their eternal counterpart first and foremost demands her sibling's freedom. In essence, to have the chance to living an eternity with Solas the Lavellan PC has given up half of themselves and therefore half of their time.
-"Content"- Regardless of which option is chosen, once the decision is made both Parties (with Solas in tow if he is saved) leave the no longer frozen world of the Fade to warn their own of the changes soon to come, changes that they would have no choice but to prepare for. If Solas is judged and executed the Tevinter PC will shatter the initial Eluvian that brought them to High Arlathan on the way out, so that no one can trespass their again. If Solas remains alive the Gaess prevents him from breaking his word and returning to the Fade prematurely, thus he simply closes the Eluvian behind them. Following the groups return to the Ruins of Arlathan, the final Inquisitor PC scene plays out where they say their goodbyes and take their leave (provided they survived the battle with Solas): To make sure that Solas returns to uthenera and in some cases join him; To return to the South and their loved ones back home; or to vanish into myth for a time, bound to their deal with Razikale and obligated to fulfill their end of the bargain. Dorian LI's will also be given an option to finally be with Dorian permanently during this cut-scene. Leaving only temporarily to deal with a some unfinished business in the South, before they can finally once again to return to Tevinter and their LI. If a PC ends up with any of the finale options that prevent them from returning to the South (including their death) Scout Harding returns to the South alone to inform them of the fall of the Veil and if applicable take up the mantle of Inquisitor herself in the Inquisitor's stead.
In the spoiler is a quote from his thread bsn.boards.net/thread/905/dumb-ideas-transferred-dual-storyline?page=2I'm a huge fan I this Fan's work. Anyway. I bolded the relevant thought. I like storylines where happiness comes with a price. I do too. The happiness you achieve at the end feels well earned and is then sweeter, but how is that a happy ending? It is for Solas. He betrayed her trust and love for him at one point, he tried to work against her and gave up on their love for a time, yet he's the one that gets the girl while she gets him, but has to lose everything else. He put his plans before their love and gets happiness with her anyway, but if she puts him above all else she loses all the rest of what makes her happy. That would be so awful. If my Lavellan did make that choice (she wouldn't though) there would always be a part of her that was bitter for what she gave up for him whilst he gave up nothing for her.
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Post by phoray on Nov 25, 2016 19:38:24 GMT
dgement 2.1: Additional Option for Solas LIs - Look, I'll admit I really like Solas as a character, so much so that the events between him and the Inquisitor are one of the major factors as to why I wrote this little project ... but the thing is I don't think he deserves a "happy" end (at least not without great sacrifice to achieve it). He is a criminal, responsible for the deaths and destruction of thousands, his own world, and would have repeated those mistakes again if given the chance. As such, as a rule of thumb, there is nothing he can do at this point to earn "happiness" for himself and within the restrictions of this I have decided his happiest endings should only be achieved by how much a Lavellan PC is willing to sacrifice of themselves for him to gain them. Solas' greatest fear is, after all, dying alone. There are two routes to this LI end: 1) (if you did not become an Abomination) Levallan returns to a state of uthenera with Solas and lives out the remainder of their mortal life alongside him in the world the two of them helped create. While they may have their life extended by the return of the Fade, I personally don't believe a Modern Elf directly transitioned into that veil-less environment can ever regain their true immortality (they don't get seem to regain it while physically within the Fade, so hence my assumption). The price of course is a Levallan PC would have to sacrifice their current life in Modern Thedas to live out their life with him (and everything that entails, including a family); And 2) (Abomination with Razikale) - They are now an Immortal and therefore will outlive their lives in the South regardless of their intentions and are now perfectly capable of standing alongside Solas for an eternity, once he regains his immortality after the Fade returns of course. However, the penalty is rather obvious. Their body and time are not simply theirs alone, they now are jointly shared by another ... one who the Inquisitor owes their allegiance. The contract with Razikale must be fulfilled and their eternal counterpart first and foremost demands her sibling's freedom. In essence, to have the chance to living an eternity with Solas the Lavellan PC has given up half of themselves and therefore half of their time.
-"Content"- Regardless of which option is chosen, once the decision is made both Parties (with Solas in tow if he is saved) leave the no longer frozen world of the Fade to warn their own of the changes soon to come, changes that they would have no choice but to prepare for. If Solas is judged and executed the Tevinter PC will shatter the initial Eluvian that brought them to High Arlathan on the way out, so that no one can trespass their again. If Solas remains alive the Gaess prevents him from breaking his word and returning to the Fade prematurely, thus he simply closes the Eluvian behind them. Following the groups return to the Ruins of Arlathan, the final Inquisitor PC scene plays out where they say their goodbyes and take their leave (provided they survived the battle with Solas): To make sure that Solas returns to uthenera and in some cases join him; To return to the South and their loved ones back home; or to vanish into myth for a time, bound to their deal with Razikale and obligated to fulfill their end of the bargain. Dorian LI's will also be given an option to finally be with Dorian permanently during this cut-scene. Leaving only temporarily to deal with a some unfinished business in the South, before they can finally once again to return to Tevinter and their LI. If a PC ends up with any of the finale options that prevent them from returning to the South (including their death) Scout Harding returns to the South alone to inform them of the fall of the Veil and if applicable take up the mantle of Inquisitor herself in the Inquisitor's stead.
In the spoiler is a quote from his thread bsn.boards.net/thread/905/dumb-ideas-transferred-dual-storyline?page=2I'm a huge fan I this Fan's work. Anyway. I bolded the relevant thought. I like storylines where happiness comes with a price. I do too. The happiness you achieve at the end feels well earned and is then sweeter, but how is that a happy ending? It is for Solas. He betrayed her trust and love for him at one point, he tried to work against her and gave up on their love for a time, yet he's the one that gets the girl while she gets him, but has to lose everything else. He put his plans before their love and gets happiness with her anyway, but if she puts him above all else she loses all the rest of what makes her happy. That would be so awful. If my Lavellan did make that choice (she wouldn't though) there would always be a part of hr that was butter for what she gave up for him whilst he gave up nothing for her. He gave up on the world he wanted in the now. That's pretty big for him. You could argue in this story that he would have lost it anyway to his likely execution. But if he remains alive, he would try again. Without some sort of promise. And that is the promise to go to sleep. Lavellan could join him. She doesn't have to. I get that your Lavellan wouldn't do it though. But some people's Lavellan were like let's help Solas kill the world cuz they loved him so much. They might be disappointed with this outcome because they think the veil should crash own and kill them all. I'm a large fan if it nonetheless. The Solasmance I have planned is an older woman widow with two kids grown who's tired of the life she's lived so far but ultimately devoted to the elves. I kind get a...at he end of the Lord of the rings when the two hobbits retire from middle earth with the elves. My Lavellan is done. She's done her duty. She's helped save the world twice. Her daughter is married to Cullen. She's ready to let go and move to a different world with Solas, even if the different world is actually a different time. On Twitter recently, a dev said Weekes likes bittersweet whereas Harder liked BITTER. As Solas mancers, we gotta admit that some level of cost will come with NOT killing Solas.
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Post by javeart on Nov 25, 2016 19:47:25 GMT
I have to say that the fact that we're actually discussing what it's the price of not kiling Solas makes me happy, so much optimism, I hope it passes on to me I really think he's dying, and that "redeem" is going to mean letting him sacrifice himself to undo the damage he's done, or something like taht (and I'm almost settling for that). Remember: they added the romance to make his story sadder and I still see very difficult to reconcile both scenarios (if DA it's to go on after that, of course)
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Nov 25, 2016 19:58:26 GMT
I do too. The happiness you achieve at the end feels well earned and is then sweeter, but how is that a happy ending? It is for Solas. He betrayed her trust and love for him at one point, he tried to work against her and gave up on their love for a time, yet he's the one that gets the girl while she gets him, but has to lose everything else. He put his plans before their love and gets happiness with her anyway, but if she puts him above all else she loses all the rest of what makes her happy. That would be so awful. If my Lavellan did make that choice (she wouldn't though) there would always be a part of hr that was butter for what she gave up for him whilst he gave up nothing for her. He gave up on the world he wanted in the now. That's pretty big for him. You could argue in this story that he would have lost it anyway to his likely execution. But if he remains alive, he would try again. Without some sort of promise. And that is the promise to go to sleep. Lavellan could join him. She doesn't have to. I get that your Lavellan wouldn't do it though. But some people's Lavellan were like let's help Solas kill the world cuz they loved him so much. They might be disappointed with this outcome because they think the veil should crash own and kill them all. I'm a large fan if it nonetheless. The Solasmance I have planned is an older woman widow with two kids grown who's tired of the life she's lived so far but ultimately devoted to the elves. I kind get a...at he end of the Lord of the rings when the two hobbits retire from middle earth with the elves. My Lavellan is done. She's done her duty. She's helped save the world twice. Her daughter is married to Cullen. She's ready to let go and move to a different world with Solas, even if the different world is actually a different time. On Twitter recently, a dev said Weekes likes bittersweet whereas Harder liked BITTER. As Solas mancers, we gotta admit that some level of cost will come with NOT killing Solas. I know some people chose that option... but just because people do choose it doesn't mean it's right. People choose to kill the Chargers too. Those options are nice jerk or fanatic play through choices, but are they actually reasonable choices? For me, obviously not Your character sounds interesting, but isn't that a selfish choice in regards to her loved ones? Sure, they can manage on their own without your Lavellan*, but so can Solas. Why is the love she has for him, even after all that he's done, prioritized over the love she has for her children and her friends? *That's if they can manage without her. I'm contrast to LotR, Middle Earth was finally stable and at peace when they all made the decision to leave. Thedas is going to begin an irreversible change, one that could cause suffering for the people in Thedas (change usually does) and your character will leave them to it. There will people who will continue to fight the change, people who will look to use it for their own gain, and ones that have trouble adapting. Her loved ones will have to go through that alone from no fault of their own, while Solas being alone would be because of his choices. And it isn't as if Lavellan would be leaving her world for a Heaven analogy like LotR. The thousand years later world would have the same issues that ancient Thedas had, wouldn't it? She'd be giving up one world (that she knows and was raised in) and its problems, but also her loved ones, for another new world and its problems and just Solas.
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Post by forgetmenot on Nov 25, 2016 20:02:10 GMT
Tbh I don't think there will be a happy ending for Solas no matter how much I wish it were otherwise. He's done too much and seen too much. I don't think he would even allow himself the possibility of happiness because he probably doesn't think he deserves it. Ugh. I just want to cuddle him. I've never wanted to cuddle a villain before in any game, film or book. He's so bloody well written.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Nov 25, 2016 20:06:55 GMT
I have to say that the fact that we're actually discussing what it's the price of not kiling Solas makes me happy, so much optimism, I hope it passes on to me I really think he's dying, and that "redeem" is going to mean letting him sacrifice himself to undo the damage he's done, or something like taht (and I'm almost settling for that). Remember: they added the romance to make his story sadder and I still see very difficult to reconcile both scenarios (if DA it's to go on after that, of course) Oh, I'm not very optimistic. I'd like a happily ever after, but I think we'll get bittersweet with an extra helping of bitter. I agree that the most likely "best" ending for a Solas romance will be that he sacrifices himself to save the world, most likely from some greater threat (the Evanuris, The Old Gods, the Forgotten Ones, etc) that he might have inadvertently helped release. Maybe he survives, but then decides to take all the ancient elves to some distant lands and then has to say goodbye to Lavellan that way (or she could have the option to go, doing exactly what I'm debating against with Phoray )
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Nov 25, 2016 20:23:25 GMT
Tbh I don't think there will be a happy ending for Solas no matter how much I wish it were otherwise. He's done too much and seen too much. I don't think he would even allow himself the possibility of happiness because he probably doesn't think he deserves it. Ugh. I just want to cuddle him. I've never wanted to cuddle a villain before in any game, film or book. He's so bloody well written. Oh, I've had many a villain crush, giving in to the tired old stereotype that women like the bad boys. It's not because they're "bad" though. I like clever, confident (even arrogant and smug), and charismatic characters. And when they're wrapped in a sexy man package what else am I to do then pout as their schemes are ruined by our hero(s)? If I go waaay back and think about it... Sesshomaru from Inuyasha and the Green Ranger from Mighty Morphing Power Rangers were probably my first villain crushes
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Post by javeart on Nov 25, 2016 20:27:13 GMT
Oh, I'm not very optimistic. I'd like a happily ever after, but I think we'll get bittersweet with an extra helping of bitter. I agree that the most likely "best" ending for a Solas romance will be that he sacrifices himself to save the world, most likely from some greater threat (the Evanuris, The Old Gods, the Forgotten Ones, etc) that he might have inadvertently helped release. Maybe he survives, but then decides to take all the ancient elves to some distant lands and then has to say goodbye to Lavellan that way (or she could have the option to go, doing exactly what I'm debating against with Phoray ) Those distant lands are going to have some fun then, hopefully they're uninhibited, I can only imagine how well they're all going to get along for the rest of their immortal lifes So not so much optimism after all we'll always have skyhold, I guess
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Nov 25, 2016 20:36:35 GMT
Oh, I'm not very optimistic. I'd like a happily ever after, but I think we'll get bittersweet with an extra helping of bitter. I agree that the most likely "best" ending for a Solas romance will be that he sacrifices himself to save the world, most likely from some greater threat (the Evanuris, The Old Gods, the Forgotten Ones, etc) that he might have inadvertently helped release. Maybe he survives, but then decides to take all the ancient elves to some distant lands and then has to say goodbye to Lavellan that way (or she could have the option to go, doing exactly what I'm debating against with Phoray ) Those distant lands are going to have some fun then, hopefully they're uninhibited, I can only imagine how well they're all going to get along for the rest of their immortal lifes So not so much optimism after all we'll always have skyhold, I guess Not if you disbanded the Inquisition! Then the Chantry probably gets it, or maybe Ferelden and Orlais will fight over it! Won't that be nice! I know, I'm awful
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Post by phoray on Nov 25, 2016 20:44:39 GMT
He gave up on the world he wanted in the now. That's pretty big for him. You could argue in this story that he would have lost it anyway to his likely execution. But if he remains alive, he would try again. Without some sort of promise. And that is the promise to go to sleep. Lavellan could join him. She doesn't have to. I get that your Lavellan wouldn't do it though. But some people's Lavellan were like let's help Solas kill the world cuz they loved him so much. They might be disappointed with this outcome because they think the veil should crash own and kill them all. I'm a large fan if it nonetheless. The Solasmance I have planned is an older woman widow with two kids grown who's tired of the life she's lived so far but ultimately devoted to the elves. I kind get a...at he end of the Lord of the rings when the two hobbits retire from middle earth with the elves. My Lavellan is done. She's done her duty. She's helped save the world twice. Her daughter is married to Cullen. She's ready to let go and move to a different world with Solas, even if the different world is actually a different time. On Twitter recently, a dev said Weekes likes bittersweet whereas Harder liked BITTER. As Solas mancers, we gotta admit that some level of cost will come with NOT killing Solas. I know some people chose that option... but just because people do choose it doesn't mean it's right. People choose to kill the Chargers too. Those options are nice jerk or fanatic play through choices, but are they actually reasonable choices? For me, obviously not Your character sounds interesting, but isn't that a selfish choice in regards to her loved ones? Sure, they can manage on their own without your Lavellan*, but so can Solas. Why is the love she has for him, even after all that he's done, prioritized over the love she has for her children and her friends? *That's if they can manage without her. I'm contrast to LotR, Middle Earth was finally stable and at peace when they all made the decision to leave. Thedas is going to begin an irreversible change, one that could cause suffering for the people in Thedas (change usually does) and your character will leave them to it. There will people who will continue to fight the change, people who will look to use it for their own gain, and ones that have trouble adapting. Her loved ones will have to go through that alone from no fault of their own, while Solas being alone would be because of his choices. And it isn't as if Lavellan would be leaving her world for a Heaven analogy like LotR. The thousand years later world would have the same issues that ancient Thedas had, wouldn't it? She'd be giving up one world (that she knows and was raised in) and its problems, but also her loved ones, for another new world and its problems and just Solas. I would cone down the quotes but I'm on a phone and it gets messy to try. In my imaginary not quite canon world, My Solas mance Lavellan wasn't the Inquisitor. Her daughter was. But daughter and mothered handled the duties together. Even if I ignore my inner head story. And actually make her the Quiz it still works out about the same. Thedas has a lot of heros. My Warden is looking for the Cure. My Hawke is killing slavers with Fenris. Dorian has been inspired to better his homeland, Sera is bettering it in her own way, same for every character, reallyin DAI. Fate or chance dictated the glow in your hand be there and you've dealt with it. To believe that The Inquisitor MUST be present to help guide the new Thedas is a bit too much the same sin as Solas has. HE MUST be the one to fix Thedas, and look how much trouble that thought has caused. My Lavellan trusts her daughter; in my not quite canon world, she watched her daughter lead and make hard choices and she will be an excellent Keeper for the clan no doubts. Her oldest, a hunter, is already settled with a mate and a little one on the way. I'm not old myself, but a lot of being older with grandchildren seems to be about a slower life where you're like... Background. But not actively required, although definitely enjoyed. My Lavellan has earned her retirement from the sort of life she's been living, her kids are settled. She's ready for a new beginning. A parent is not a belonging that grown children must have access to. And don't knock NEW problems. The same problems over ad over can be more exhausting and depressing than new ones. In a way, this ending is very much like death, but she trusts those she left behind to handle what's coming as she looks optimistically forward to a future with Solas. And why for Solas? Because even though she loved her husband an he died an she was sad, the way she feels when she's with Solas is passionate blinding light soul mate connection. She's never felt this way an life has been muted by comparison since they were apart. Or mre like. She was asleep her whole life. And then Solas. An now she knows what feeling truly alive feels like. She doesn't want to go back to sleeping. I am of the opinion that love is mostly a selfish emotion although it can be selfless at the same time. I obviously have become quite attached o this Fan's writing, as I've planned my Dorian romance and Solasmance around it
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