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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 4:59:11 GMT
What the hell has happened to the blanketfort, lol. "Dirt brown" would have been a rather poor way to describe someone's skin color if that were the case lol and since this is bioware... They went out of their way to add interracial human npcs with mixed children, and people of color in a game based on European cultures aside from in Rivain, so I'm inclined to believe if she was supposed to be black or brown, she would have been. I'm sorry we don't appreciate logic here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 5:04:08 GMT
To be fair, Hanako is replying to your direct argument that Solas, Sera, AND Briala were supposed to be PoC even though your basis of Solas being PoC was due to some CONCEPT sketches. Concepts change all the time, it's why they are called concepts. By that same token why aren't you rambling in circles about Solas being bald? How dare the developers ignore us hairies???!! Except Hanako didn't address my comment about the earlier depictions of Sera and Solas, so that doesn't seem to be the case. And, as I'm sure you're well aware, I gave the comment about the original depiction of Sera and Solas a single line before someone decided to take umbrage with it and pull 'identity politics'. So you're criticizing me for responding, yet you're defending someone because you wrongly think they're responding to something they clearly aren't. That seems rather hypocritical of you. No? Actually the discussion kicked off with a question of clarification on where you had received the idea that Briala was a PoC. You responded with your quotes from the book, hence this shenanigans. No one is really questioning or nay-saying the comments on Sera and Solas because they had already been discussed with the response of 'Concept'. I suppose you might have missed those? By providing direct quotes from TME it gave a sounding board for discussion that hadn't really been explored yet. So why wouldn't anyone pitch in? It's new fodder.
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Post by colonelkillabee on Jan 8, 2017 5:06:53 GMT
Does Capricorn Sun not come around to post art here anymore, because the thread from what I'm seeing could really use that.
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 8, 2017 5:07:16 GMT
Except Hanako didn't address my comment about the earlier depictions of Sera and Solas, so that doesn't seem to be the case. And, as I'm sure you're well aware, I gave the comment about the original depiction of Sera and Solas a single line before someone decided to take umbrage with it and pull 'identity politics'. So you're criticizing me for responding, yet you're defending someone because you wrongly think they're responding to something they clearly aren't. That seems rather hypocritical of you. No? Actually the discussion kicked off with a question of clarification on where you had received the idea that Briala was a PoC. You responded with your quotes from the book, hence this shenanigans. No one is really questioning or nay-saying the comments on Sera and Solas because they had already been discussed with the response of 'Concept'. I suppose you might have missed those? By providing direct quotes from TME it gave a sounding board for discussion that hadn't really been explored yet. So why wouldn't anyone pitch in? It's new fodder. You're forgetting about a certain someone bringing up 'identity politics' and claiming that MLK would be against diversity in entertainment. That happened beforehand.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 5:08:10 GMT
I'm sure she'll be here soon with her daily haul. XD
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 8, 2017 5:12:36 GMT
Does Capricorn Sun not come around to post art here anymore, because the thread from what I'm seeing could really use that. I actually miss Faerunner's posts, although I understand the incessant harassment from people (at the original BSN) lead to her leaving the community.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 8, 2017 5:12:48 GMT
No? Actually the discussion kicked off with a question of clarification on where you had received the idea that Briala was a PoC. You responded with your quotes from the book, hence this shenanigans. No one is really questioning or nay-saying the comments on Sera and Solas because they had already been discussed with the response of 'Concept'. I suppose you might have missed those? By providing direct quotes from TME it gave a sounding board for discussion that hadn't really been explored yet. So why wouldn't anyone pitch in? It's new fodder. You're forgetting about a certain someone bringing up 'identity politics' and claiming that MLK would be against diversity in entertainment. That happened beforehand. I'm fairly confident nobody here is really against diversity - what most people are confused about is forcing an issue where there really doesn't seem to be one...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 5:16:32 GMT
No? Actually the discussion kicked off with a question of clarification on where you had received the idea that Briala was a PoC. You responded with your quotes from the book, hence this shenanigans. No one is really questioning or nay-saying the comments on Sera and Solas because they had already been discussed with the response of 'Concept'. I suppose you might have missed those? By providing direct quotes from TME it gave a sounding board for discussion that hadn't really been explored yet. So why wouldn't anyone pitch in? It's new fodder. You're forgetting about a certain someone bringing up 'identity politics' and claiming that MLK would be against diversity in entertainment. That happened beforehand. Ah you are right, went back through and at the end of page 197 you made your initial post then Fen'Harel Faceman made his (are we treating him like Voldermort now? Can't say his name, Sorry Faceman its been spoken ). Still that didn't really spark the conversation that has been dragging on and literally going in circles. What created this discussion was for proof or a bit of information on where your opinion of Briala came from. After this it went off like wildfire.
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 8, 2017 5:16:45 GMT
You're forgetting about a certain someone bringing up 'identity politics' and claiming that MLK would be against diversity in entertainment. That happened beforehand. I'm fairly confident nobody here is really against diversity - what most people are confused about is forcing an issue where there really doesn't seem to be one... Considering that you and I have never agreed on anything (whether it's elves or what people actually posted a few hours ago), I'm fairly certain that you shouldn't be surprised that things aren't any different now.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 8, 2017 5:21:57 GMT
I'm fairly confident nobody here is really against diversity - what most people are confused about is forcing an issue where there really doesn't seem to be one... Considering that you and I have never agreed on anything (whether it's elves or what people actually posted a few hours ago), I'm fairly certain that you shouldn't be surprised that things aren't any different now. Ah, but it's not just me you're disagreeing with now, aren't you? You're talking with at least 4 or 5 people and from what I've seen, when it comes to specific argument that Bioware has actually whitewashed some of their characters, or actually meant that Briala is POC when they describe her as darskinned in a book, most people here so far seem to be as confused about it as I am.
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 8, 2017 5:26:32 GMT
You're forgetting about a certain someone bringing up 'identity politics' and claiming that MLK would be against diversity in entertainment. That happened beforehand. Ah you are right, went back through and at the end of page 197 you made your initial post then Fen'Harel Faceman made his (are we treating him like Voldermort now? Can't say his name, Sorry Faceman its been spoken ). Still that didn't really spark the conversation that has been dragging on and literally going in circles. What created this discussion was for proof or a bit of information on where your opinion of Briala came from. After this it went off like wildfire. By "[my] opinion" are you suggesting that the other people who have said Briala is a WoC don't exist? Like the artists who have depicted her as a WoC, and the modders who have made attempts to (in their own words) restore Briala to how she looked in TME, like the " Brown Briala" mod that provides the description: "My attempt and making Briala look closer to how she's described in TME plus how I've imagined her."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 5:26:52 GMT
I believe this solves everything....
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 8, 2017 5:31:31 GMT
Considering that you and I have never agreed on anything (whether it's elves or what people actually posted a few hours ago), I'm fairly certain that you shouldn't be surprised that things aren't any different now. Ah, but it's not just me you're disagreeing with now, aren't you? You're talking with at least 4 or 5 people and from what I've seen, when it comes to specific argument that Bioware has actually whitewashed some of their characters, or actually meant that Briala is POC when they describe her as darskinned in a book, most people here so far seem to be as confused about it as I am. Well, when you're talking about the earlier renditions of Solas and Sera, that's not really a matter of dispute. When it comes to Briala, this is the only place I've ever read anyone claim that Briala is meant to be white. Apparently, a myriad of players, artists, and modders read TME and didn't get the impression that Briala is really supposed to be white. I'm sure Faerunner regrets not being here to participate in this discussion since I know she agreed with you about as much as I did, as I know she also commented on Briala being a woman of color.
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You're forgetting about a certain someone bringing up 'identity politics' and claiming that MLK would be against diversity in entertainment. That happened beforehand. (are we treating him like Voldermort now? Can't say his name, Sorry Faceman its been spoken ). Nah, just kidding it's okay.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 5:43:39 GMT
By "[my] opinion" are you suggesting that the other people who have said Briala is a WoC don't exist? Like the artists who have depicted her as a WoC, and the modders who have made attempts to (in their own words) restore Briala to how she looked in TME, like the " Brown Briala" mod that provides the description: "My attempt and making Briala look closer to how she's described in TME plus how I've imagined her." I am posting to you, I am refuting you. You have made comments. Why would I question people who are not even in the conversation? Now if they did jump on in, then yes I would say the same thing. It is an opinion. Everyone is entitled to them even if they are mistaken. Am I saying yours, since you are the only one in this thread advocating, is possibly mistaken according to my own opinion. Yes. Based SOLELY off your direct quotes from TME in no way, shape or form, does it imply Briala is a PoC. I have refuted, others have refuted, and yet you will not budge on it regardless of how much logical argument is thrown at you. If you could have devised even a margin of the overwhelming evidence in response to your claim, I would have at least acquiesced and said 'alright, I see your argument and perhaps there is room for Briala to be as you say.'. That is not the case, and here is where I leave it. Also, people Mod because they want things to be a way that is pleasing to them. Of course those that share your view or find it more in tune with their preferences would Mod. Doesn't mean that people who Mod to make Solas more in keeping with his CONCEPT are wrong or that change a companion's sexual preference to suit their Inquisitor are wrong. They are simply doing it so they can enjoy the game more or add something new.
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Ah you are right, went back through and at the end of page 197 you made your initial post then Fen'Harel Faceman made his (are we treating him like Voldermort now? Can't say his name, Sorry Faceman its been spoken ). Still that didn't really spark the conversation that has been dragging on and literally going in circles. What created this discussion was for proof or a bit of information on where your opinion of Briala came from. After this it went off like wildfire. By "[my] opinion" are you suggesting that the other people who have said Briala is a WoC don't exist?
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Post by ellawyn on Jan 8, 2017 5:49:12 GMT
We're really arguing with Lob? Didn't we learn from the last Blanketfort? We ate up like ten pages in an argument about Dalish victimization that ultimately went nowhere. Does Capricorn Sun not come around to post art here anymore, because the thread from what I'm seeing could really use that. You popped your head in at a bad time. Mostly we just talk about Solas' pretty pretty face.
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 8, 2017 5:50:23 GMT
By "[my] opinion" are you suggesting that the other people who have said Briala is a WoC don't exist? Like the artists who have depicted her as a WoC, and the modders who have made attempts to (in their own words) restore Briala to how she looked in TME, like the " Brown Briala" mod that provides the description: "My attempt and making Briala look closer to how she's described in TME plus how I've imagined her." I am posting to you, I am refuting you. You have made comments. Why would I question people who are not even in the conversation? Now if they did jump on in, then yes I would say the same thing. It is an opinion. Everyone is entitled to them even if they are mistaken. Am I saying yours, since you are the only one in this thread advocating, is possibly mistaken according to my own opinion. Yes. Based SOLELY off your direct quotes from TME in no way, shape or form, does it imply Briala is a PoC. I have refuted, others have refuted, and yet you will not budge on it regardless of how much logical argument is thrown at you. If you could have devised even a margin of the overwhelming evidence in response to your claim, I would have at least acquiesced and said 'alright, I see your argument and perhaps there is room for Briala to be as you say.'. That is not the case, and here is where I leave it. Also, people Mod because they want things to be a way that is pleasing to them. Of course those that share your view or find it more in tune with their preferences would Mod. Doesn't mean that people who Mod to make Solas more in keeping with his CONCEPT are wrong or that change a companion's sexual preference to suit their Inquisitor are wrong. They are simply doing it so they can enjoy the game more or add something new. Lines that read that Briala isn't white, and contrast her skin tone to a white woman and white objects, don't imply that she's a woman of color? This discussion is, admittedly, ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 5:51:13 GMT
By "[my] opinion" are you suggesting that the other people who have said Briala is a WoC don't exist?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 5:55:24 GMT
We're really arguing with Lob? Didn't we learn from the last Blanketfort? We ate up like ten pages in an argument about Dalish victimization that ultimately went nowhere. Does Capricorn Sun not come around to post art here anymore, because the thread from what I'm seeing could really use that. You popped your head in at a bad time. Mostly we just talk about Solas' pretty pretty face.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 8, 2017 5:56:04 GMT
Ah, but it's not just me you're disagreeing with now, aren't you? You're talking with at least 4 or 5 people and from what I've seen, when it comes to specific argument that Bioware has actually whitewashed some of their characters, or actually meant that Briala is POC when they describe her as darskinned in a book, most people here so far seem to be as confused about it as I am. Well, when you're talking about the earlier renditions of Solas and Sera, that's not really a matter of dispute. When it comes to Briala, this is the only place I've ever read anyone claim that Briala is meant to be white. Of course they're a matter of dispute - you're basing your opinion on a few early concept arts DESPITE the fact, that a sheet with a few concept arts for Solas that people base his "younger" look actually contains multitude of skintones and hair colors (white ones as well), including roughly the look he eventually stuck with, and in fact more artworks where he's actually fairly pale. Talk about selective memory. ... So because a relatively small part of fandom (that you're obviously spending time around and don't go out of your bubble often, it seems) has accepted a headcanon that Briala is darker than how she was actually portrayed in the game means that somehow that argument is valid? And that's despite the author of the book working directly with the game and would likely intervene if she was meant to be darker, considering that Mr. Weekes is well known for making diverse characters, be it in DA or his personal novellas that actually feature a POC elf as a main character - and he actively describes her like that. I don'r recall him doing that to Briala. All in all, this particular case (because I'm not dismissing all attempts to diversify stories in varieties of manners; in fact I applaud them if they're done skillfully) is irrelevant, just like Briala's skin color is irrelevant to her plight as a distinct-looking, oppressed minority. Anything else just seems like a rampant defense of a headcanon, or a group of fictional people you seem to have strongly associated yourself with.
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 8, 2017 5:56:10 GMT
We're really arguing with Lob? Didn't we learn from the last Blanketfort? We ate up like ten pages in an argument about Dalish victimization that ultimately went nowhere. I recall that Ghost Gal and I disagreed with you about how Inquisition handled certain storylines and groups.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 5:57:07 GMT
I don't get it. Why are we arguing? I posted a picture. Briala is clearly brown in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 6:01:18 GMT
Shhhh.......logic is dead....Blanketfort is for the insane now
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 8, 2017 6:03:00 GMT
I am posting to you, I am refuting you. You have made comments. Why would I question people who are not even in the conversation? Now if they did jump on in, then yes I would say the same thing. It is an opinion. Everyone is entitled to them even if they are mistaken. Am I saying yours, since you are the only one in this thread advocating, is possibly mistaken according to my own opinion. Yes. Based SOLELY off your direct quotes from TME in no way, shape or form, does it imply Briala is a PoC. I have refuted, others have refuted, and yet you will not budge on it regardless of how much logical argument is thrown at you. If you could have devised even a margin of the overwhelming evidence in response to your claim, I would have at least acquiesced and said 'alright, I see your argument and perhaps there is room for Briala to be as you say.'. That is not the case, and here is where I leave it. Also, people Mod because they want things to be a way that is pleasing to them. Of course those that share your view or find it more in tune with their preferences would Mod. Doesn't mean that people who Mod to make Solas more in keeping with his CONCEPT are wrong or that change a companion's sexual preference to suit their Inquisitor are wrong. They are simply doing it so they can enjoy the game more or add something new. Lines that read that Briala isn't white, and contrast her skin tone to a white woman and white objects, don't imply that she's a woman of color? This discussion is, admittedly, ridiculous. It is, considering Bioware made it very clear they don't agree with you. Since they have the final say, we know who's right when it comes to translating the passages in the book. Me and anyone who agrees with me. Time to get over your butthurt and suck it up, buttercup.
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