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Post by fylimar on Nov 4, 2024 12:00:00 GMT
Ok I just read, that depending on what you or the Inqui chooses, Varric can die? Would someone be so kind to spoil the endings for me? If there is a better place to ask the question,kindly direct me there. I just read here, that this might be linked to Solas? Nevermind, I found it out and now ( don't read, if you don't want to get spoiled, this is severe) I hate Solas with burning passion. I was neutral towards him before, but killing my favourite character and lying about it makes him instantly the worst in my book
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Post by ellanathehamster on Nov 4, 2024 16:14:57 GMT
Regarding Solas and Lavellan ending It's the execution I can't get behind, not that the only option for a happy ending is to join him in exile.
- How they mistranslated elven. She says "Banal nadas ar lath ma vhenan". Every word has appeared in the past games. Yet stead of "Nothing is inevitable, I love you my heart" they went with "There is no fate but the love we share". Which is worse. so much worse! As if she programs him that they must be together. And it's after learning the context of how Mythal exploited him and his affection for her. How he regrets not being able to deny her ("You will not be the first to sacrifice your morals for love"). Why on earth they kept it?
- He just seems resigned. He should have voiced his consent. His body language should have been different: he let her kiss him. Didn't even touch her as they disappeared to the Fade. This execution give me somewhat abusive/manipulative angle? Which is so not how their relationship went in DAI. If that is the angle Weekes went, with having Lavelan as an echo of Mythal and a chance for Solas to craft another narrative, then fuck it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 4, 2024 18:20:12 GMT
If that is the angle Weekes went, with having Lavelan as an echo of Mythal and a chance for Solas to craft another narrative, then fuck it. I suppose that is a possibility. After all, the one thing you can't do is kill him. On the willingly sacrifices himself without Lavellan being there ending, he says something about protecting the innocent in the future (I think). So, given the "secret" ending teases the Executors as the antagonists next game and he warned against them in Tevinter Nights, it is possible that he could speak to the next protagonist from the Fade to assist them. He'd probably do that however things ended with Rook because if Solas doesn't like someone he feels compelled to act against them. May be he is now the replacement Varric in the franchise. Incidentally, did anyone in world suggest that perhaps he was the "Maker" who spoke to Andraste? I know they commented how she got it wrong but that was about it really when it came to the main religion of Thedas. Since they pretty much admitted the Maker doesn't exist, Solas does make the ideal candidate for the one who spoke with Andraste, the other being one of Mythal's pieces. Obviously they would appear to have had different motives for wanting to attack the Imperium but I do not doubt that both wanted her to conquer Minrathous.
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Post by Iddy on Nov 4, 2024 22:30:45 GMT
I'm confused about one thing regarding the multiple endings: How is it that Rook going into the Fade with Solas is self-sacrifice, but Lavellan doing the same is "not so bad" and a happy ending?
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 5, 2024 4:33:04 GMT
Regarding Solas and Lavellan ending It's the execution I can't get behind, not that the only option for a happy ending is to join him in exile.
- How they mistranslated elven. She says "Banal nadas ar lath ma vhenan". Every word has appeared in the past games. Yet stead of "Nothing is inevitable, I love you my heart" they went with "There is no fate but the love we share". Which is worse. so much worse! As if she programs him that they must be together. And it's after learning the context of how Mythal exploited him and his affection for her. How he regrets not being able to deny her ("You will not be the first to sacrifice your morals for love"). Why on earth they kept it?
- He just seems resigned. He should have voiced his consent. His body language should have been different: he let her kiss him. Didn't even touch her as they disappeared to the Fade. This execution give me somewhat abusive/manipulative angle? Which is so not how their relationship went in DAI. If that is the angle Weekes went, with having Lavelan as an echo of Mythal and a chance for Solas to craft another narrative, then fuck it.
Hmm, I think you may be reading a little too much into it - I didn't read Inky's last gesture as manipulative, I've read it as supportive; I mean it's a very short scene. He's the one moving forward to [prepare departure and we only see her catching up to him (as she glances the last time at the team) and then they disappear.
I also didn't get anything manipulative from the way they 'translated' the elvhen language - which doesn't exist and we don't know all its rules, although I recall being said by writers that it's very context-dependent.
In fact, when Lavellan speaks it, she kneels and looks up at him - usually, in gesture/visual language that puts a level of inequality between those who face one another; not necessarily in malignant or submissive/dominant sense, but in that scene she is clearly a person who leaves the decision of how to proceed to him.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Nov 5, 2024 10:04:53 GMT
I'm confused about one thing regarding the multiple endings: How is it that Rook going into the Fade with Solas is self-sacrifice, but Lavellan doing the same is "not so bad" and a happy ending? Only in good ending Solas choses to atone and commits to sustain the veil, protect innocents (modern elves, dwarwe, humans and qunari included) and sooth the blight. He is essentially on the path of redemption.
In bad ending he is forced to keep the veil and does nothing (at least it's not states) to the blight, which is still present, even with all evanuris dead. Regarding Solas and Lavellan ending It's the execution I can't get behind, not that the only option for a happy ending is to join him in exile.
- How they mistranslated elven. She says "Banal nadas ar lath ma vhenan". Every word has appeared in the past games. Yet stead of "Nothing is inevitable, I love you my heart" they went with "There is no fate but the love we share". Which is worse. so much worse! As if she programs him that they must be together. And it's after learning the context of how Mythal exploited him and his affection for her. How he regrets not being able to deny her ("You will not be the first to sacrifice your morals for love"). Why on earth they kept it?
- He just seems resigned. He should have voiced his consent. His body language should have been different: he let her kiss him. Didn't even touch her as they disappeared to the Fade. This execution give me somewhat abusive/manipulative angle? Which is so not how their relationship went in DAI. If that is the angle Weekes went, with having Lavelan as an echo of Mythal and a chance for Solas to craft another narrative, then fuck it.
Hmm, I think you may be reading a little too much into it - I didn't read Inky's last gesture as manipulative, I've read it as supportive; I mean it's a very short scene. He's the one moving forward to [prepare departure and we only see her catching up to him (as she glances the last time at the team) and then they disappear.
I also didn't get anything manipulative from the way they 'translated' the elvhen language - which doesn't exist and we don't know all its rules, although I recall being said by writers that it's very context-dependent.
In fact, when Lavellan speaks it, she kneels and looks up at him - usually, in gesture/visual language that puts a level of inequality between those who face one another; not necessarily in malignant or submissive/dominant sense, but in that scene she is clearly a person who leaves the decision of how to proceed to him. I see your point. Perhaps my initial reaction is what you get when you can't affect Inquisitor words. Weekes provided more context on bluesky regarding Solas and romance in veilguar, which I'm grateful they did. It reaffirms importance of what they had with Lavellan and soother my previous worry: Question: Does he want to reunite? Is it a choice he makes himself? Lavellan is open and proactive during conversation, but he almost seems resigned. “There is no fate but our love” does he realise he can say no? Weekes: My intention was that after almost destroying the world, he does not feel he deserves love until he fixes what he did wrong (just like he couldn't move forward until he fixed the wrongs he did in Mythal's service). That's why the Inquisitor has to reach out to him.
Question: Was the nature of that solas/Mythal was more queerplatonic than romantic? And if Solas had to choose between Mythal and Lavellan, with whom might he consider sharing his life or save in the face of great danger? Weekes: Mythal is Solas's past. Horrible mistakes made with good intentions. Lavellan is the hopeful future Solas doesn't think he deserves until he fixes the world he broke. Sourse
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 5, 2024 11:59:23 GMT
Question: Was the nature of that solas/Mythal was more queerplatonic than romantic? Sorry but I've got to ask. What is queerplatonic? This is surely an oxymoron? Platonic relationships have been around forever, although I don't know when they started being described as such rather than Philia, which is basically a strong, devoted friendship that may or may not turn into something physical later, possibly also known as soul mates, although again this can be physical or non physical in nature. I'm old school. I was told I should never use the term queer with respect to gay people because it was insulting. Now it seems to have been embraced as the go to term for everything that is "different". So far as I'm concerned it is a matter of opinion the precise nature of Solas' relationship with Mythal but it was either sexual or platonic. There was nothing inherently queer about it.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Nov 5, 2024 12:44:26 GMT
Weekes provided more context on bluesky regarding Solas and romance in veilguar, which I'm grateful they did. Ah, This does help. I too was getting a sense of completely unenthused resignation from that scene. Like Solas didn't actually want the Inky there, he just didn't have the energy to object anymore. I'm glad this wasn't the case. Though I don't understand why he thinks he still owes Mythal anything. She was vile to him. He already gave her more than she ever deserved.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Nov 5, 2024 14:05:13 GMT
Question: Was the nature of that solas/Mythal was more queerplatonic than romantic? Sorry but I've got to ask. What is queerplatonic? This is surely an oxymoron? Platonic relationships have been around forever, although I don't know when they started being described as such rather than Philia, which is basically a strong, devoted friendship that may or may not turn into something physical later, possibly also known as soul mates, although again this can be physical or non physical in nature. I'm old school. I was told I should never use the term queer with respect to gay people because it was insulting. Now it seems to have been embraced as the go to term for everything that is "different". So far as I'm concerned it is a matter of opinion the precise nature of Solas' relationship with Mythal but it was either sexual or platonic. There was nothing inherently queer about it. Honestly, I don't know. OP used this word, but for me it's essentially a variation of platonic. google says this: "A queerplatonic relationship is a non-sexual, non-romantic partnership with an emotional strength that may be seen as beyond a friendship since it has the prioritization and commitment usually considered to be part of romantic relationships.Queerplatonic relationships do not fit the "traditional" models of friendships or sexual relationships"
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Post by ellanathehamster on Nov 5, 2024 14:20:03 GMT
Weekes provided more context on bluesky regarding Solas and romance in veilguar, which I'm grateful they did. Ah, This does help. I too was getting a sense of completely unenthused resignation from that scene. Like Solas didn't actually want the Inky there, he just didn't have the energy to object anymore. I'm glad this wasn't the case. Though I don't understand why he thinks he still owes Mythal anything. She was vile to him. He already gave her more than she ever deserved. Exactly! Happy Weekes clarified I think misinterpretation could have been avoided if they have either worded Inquisitor differently (instead of "We make this journey together, always" she could have said "Allow me to make this journey with you" or something less imperative than the original). Also the way Alix delivered the line "But you don't have to go alone" for me was a bit too authoritative? She used this tone a lot as Inquisitor. But Lavellan here speaks to her love, who is currently going through almost emotional breakdown. I wild like to have her say it more softly, and we know Alix can do it perfectly (every time I choose "Solas don't leave me, not now. I love you" it breaks both mine and Solas heart. Also in CC ne of lines to test the voice was "It can't end like this" and I SWEAR I thought it was pulled from interaction from romanced Solas because it was voiced so beautifully and sad ) Another way would be to add a shot at Solas face right after the kiss, maybe where he looks at her and smiles a bit or looks relieved? Something to further confirm his attitude. Because as it it this is how Lavellan looks at Solas after the kiss vs how he looks at her. Jut one extra second could have made interaction more clear. as for Mythal I think their relationship is very complex. There was love, betrayal (on both ends), regret, pain. They don't call each other the oldest friends for nothing. Solas feels regret and responsibility for a) not standing his ground and following through Mythal plans, even when it went against his morals. b )for asking Mythal to deal with other gods about their usage of the blight, which got her killed (even though he didn't wield the blade himself) c) for killing what remained of her after Inquisition
There is really a lot to unpack here
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 5, 2024 14:33:39 GMT
Sorry but I've got to ask. What is queerplatonic? This is surely an oxymoron? Platonic relationships have been around forever, although I don't know when they started being described as such rather than Philia, which is basically a strong, devoted friendship that may or may not turn into something physical later, possibly also known as soul mates, although again this can be physical or non physical in nature. I'm old school. I was told I should never use the term queer with respect to gay people because it was insulting. Now it seems to have been embraced as the go to term for everything that is "different". So far as I'm concerned it is a matter of opinion the precise nature of Solas' relationship with Mythal but it was either sexual or platonic. There was nothing inherently queer about it.
Honestly, I don't know. OP used this word, but for me it's essentially a variation of platonic. google says this: "A queerplatonic relationship is a non-sexual, non-romantic partnership with an emotional strength that may be seen as beyond a friendship since it has the prioritization and commitment usually considered to be part of romantic relationships.Queerplatonic relationships do not fit the "traditional" models of friendships or sexual relationships"
Thank you. I went off and did a Google search myself just to see. I came up with the same as you. It is stupid. What they are describing as Queerplatonic is just a regular platonic relationship in its traditional sense. There is nothing original about calling it queer, except presumably platonic means you are not part of the "community", so they add queer on the front of it and now you can say you are. It is daft, the "queer community" is being expanded so much that in the end practically everybody will be included in some way except for a small minority who are traditional in their outlook and don't want to be saddled with new terms for the sake of it.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Nov 5, 2024 16:31:25 GMT
how he looks at her. Jut one extra second could have made interaction more clear. It also does not help that any intended facial expressions here are really hard to see, covered in blood and gore as he is. The lighting is not doing any favors either. Seriously, the first order of business after all this had better be getting Solas a bath and a nap, cuz damn, that dragon fight was brutal. Guy is in some serious need of a little TLC.
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Post by Iddy on Nov 5, 2024 17:52:36 GMT
how he looks at her. Jut one extra second could have made interaction more clear. It also does not help that any intended facial expressions here are really hard to see, covered in blood and gore as he is. The lighting is not doing any favors either. Seriously, the first order of business after all this had better be getting Solas a bath and a nap, cuz damn, that dragon fight was brutal. Guy is in some serious need of a little TLC. I'm not sure Solas can do that in the Fade. Could he will a shower into existence?
Actually... what kinda life are they going to have in there? Did Lavellan just doom herself to spend all her life in a bleak prison?
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Nov 5, 2024 18:19:59 GMT
It also does not help that any intended facial expressions here are really hard to see, covered in blood and gore as he is. The lighting is not doing any favors either. Seriously, the first order of business after all this had better be getting Solas a bath and a nap, cuz damn, that dragon fight was brutal. Guy is in some serious need of a little TLC. I'm not sure Solas can do that in the Fade. Could he will a shower into existence?
Actually... what kinda life are they going to have in there? Did Lavellan just doom herself to spend all her life in a bleak prison? Well, I mean... he was able to manifest the entire town of Haven (and surrounding valley and mountain ranges and everything else) in exacting detail. And that was when he was still weak. I'm fairly certain a tub and some warm water is well within his capabilities. I don't believe they went back to the Evanuris prison, but just the raw fade.
Which would also mean they should start looking for a way to restore Lavellan's immortality fairly quickly, since mortals don't really do well bodily in the fade for extended periods. Hmm.
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Post by Amburu on Nov 5, 2024 19:22:18 GMT
HELLO MY DEAR PEOPLE Just checking in, but I'm still very much a resident here, so far I'm managing to avoid all spoilers, disregarding how concerning the title of this topic is at present 🤣💀
I'm here to send out a call for help !! My computer CANNOT run this game even on lowest graphics 😂 The unavoidable moment of obsolescence has arrived !! I'm looking for solavellan folks who are streaming or uploading their entire playthrough on any kind of platform ! In case of streams, I'm looking for one who is offering replays to avoid having to struggle against timezones... If you know such a channel or are this person I would highly appreciate if you could please tag or DM me with the information so I can get notified with it and hop onto everyone's train to ~experience~ whatever we're facing in DA4 together with the rest of us... 🗿
At the moment Ive only seen the prologue and couple quests (recruiting Lucanis) and this voice acting is already killing me aaaaaaaah THANKS EVERYONE ♥ See you hopefully very soon........ Hopefully without losing my entire mind on the way !!
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 5, 2024 22:04:05 GMT
Weekes provided more context on bluesky regarding Solas and romance in veilguar, which I'm grateful they did. Ah, This does help. I too was getting a sense of completely unenthused resignation from that scene. Like Solas didn't actually want the Inky there, he just didn't have the energy to object anymore. Did I watch a different scene ? I didn't get this impression. He's obviously physically and emotionally exhausted from everything that happened, including a tear-jerking farewell with Mythal, and *obviously* he doesn't want Lavellan to be there at first because it hurts him and he warns her that wherever he goes will be terrible/doesn't expect her to go, yet her willingness to follow him and the kiss prompts him to enthusiastically (for the state he's in) thank Rook for helping him see reason and get a chance to reunite with Lavellan. That's the only cutscene where he does it, unless I'm missing something from non-romanced redemption scene. Also, I gotta say that the epilogue image for Solavellan is cute as heck.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 5, 2024 22:35:00 GMT
On a less serious note: I know we've effectively made it canon that Solas has a sweet tooth based on the frilly cakes banter, but it's funny to see that tacitly confirmed in Veilguard, when we find a note (from Bellara, I think) assessing what's in Lighthouse's pantry after they get there, and finding little more than some long-term provisions like salted meat, but also several jars of honey
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