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Post by uirebhiril on Jan 31, 2017 6:32:51 GMT
I feel like we should officially twin with the jaal thread I still say so many of us being there is a bad omen. Be wary of where the Solasmancers roam, for pain and heartbreak follow like a cold shadow. *ominous wind sounds* If he starts asking us to activate ancient Angaran tech, RUN.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 7:04:03 GMT
I still say so many of us being there is a bad omen. Be wary of where the Solasmancers roam, for pain and heartbreak follow like a cold shadow. *ominous wind sounds* If he starts asking us to activate ancient Angaran tech, RUN. Well we do activate some things from what we saw in the trailer... oh no
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Post by close2myheart on Jan 31, 2017 9:01:37 GMT
Or maybe the Wolf we'll get will be dependant on what wolf we feed Do his quest, gain his trust and we'd get a FenHarel who realises that the people of 'this' time has the same rights to live and yes they're worth saving too, 'broken' as they are (based on his pov ) Though I do not see him changing his plans in restoring 'his People', I'd imagine he'll give more thought and try to chart another path to achieve his goals with lesser casualties. Be on bad terms with him and we'll get the darker side of FenHarel and gets to see why the Evanuris labeled him as 'bad news'. He'd be more ruthless and vicious and steamroll himself to victory. Edit: spelling
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 31, 2017 9:43:02 GMT
I still say so many of us being there is a bad omen. Be wary of where the Solasmancers roam, for pain and heartbreak follow like a cold shadow. *ominous wind sounds* If he starts asking us to activate ancient Angaran tech, RUN. Heyyyyy.... look who's here
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Post by Seven Zettabytes on Jan 31, 2017 14:26:05 GMT
I don't know if there's anything solid about this theory, it's my favourite (because it makes it easier to imagine a scenario where Solas is again on our side) and I supporte it every time someone mentions it , but I'm my case it's only a musing, based on not much else that DAI seems to highlight him above all the other evanuris (along with Mythal, for obvious reasons, and Andruil, I'd say that because of the blight). Also, I tend to think that the old gods and the evanuris are connected somehow and I can see Lusacan and Razikale being connected to Falon Din and Dirthamen. If on top of that someone who knows about lore has something more, I coud almost take it as a given that Falon' Din is the next villain Most mentions of Falon'Din must have gone over my head in my playthroughs. For me, it felt like there was a lot of particular focus on and new information about Andruil, so I imagined her to be the worst out of all of them. I checked on YouTube and I seem to have missed the entire story about Falon'Din being extremely bloodthirsty and power hungry. In the links that @dawnstone posted, there was a theory that Dirthamen was complicit in some things with Falon'Din, but Solas doesn't mention him in that particular story at all. He does say that the Evanuris went to Falon'Din to stop him... so presumably that includes Dirthamen. I wonder what happened between the two after that. Also, does Solas mention Sylaise and June at all? I hope that the lack of information doesn't mean they won't really be important, but that it means the opposite. June especially seems interesting because his mosaics look kind of dwarfy.
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Post by uirebhiril on Jan 31, 2017 14:36:02 GMT
If he starts asking us to activate ancient Angaran tech, RUN. Heyyyyy.... look who's here Andromeda hype, man. Couldn't help myself. But I couldn't sign up and NOT come by here. I've missed the place!
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Post by javeart on Jan 31, 2017 14:49:03 GMT
Most mentions of Falon'Din must have gone over my head in my playthroughs. For me, it felt like there was a lot of particular focus on and new information about Andruil, so I imagined her to be the worst out of all of them. I checked on YouTube and I seem to have missed the entire story about Falon'Din being extremely bloodthirsty and power hungry. In the links that @dawnstone posted, there was a theory that Dirthamen was complicit in some things with Falon'Din, but Solas doesn't mention him in that particular story at all. He does say that the Evanuris went to Falon'Din to stop him... so presumably that includes Dirthamen. I wonder what happened between the two after that. Also, does Solas mention Sylaise and June at all? I hope that the lack of information doesn't mean they won't really be important, but that it means the opposite. June especially seems interesting because his mosaics look kind of dwarfy. That's the thing, they talk very little of the rest of the evanuris in comparison, even Elgar'nan seems relatively unimportant. I'm expecting learning more from them, of course, and it's possible that they're trying to keep them more in the dark to keep their future appearance more of a surprise, but if I had to bet I'd say they're talking more about Falon'Din to give us an introduction because he's going to show up in DA4. As for Dirthamen, another lore-ignorant musing of mine , is that they were an abomnation, something like Anders/Justice, divinized as two different gods, and that would be why Solas didn't mention him... I don't know if it makes much sense but I like the idea edit: I meant to say, but I forgot that I'd bet on what we see in DAI making Falon'Din more likely to show in DA4 because to me it feels a little like what they did with Merril in DA2 telling us a little about Mythal in her altar and then about Fen'Harel with her stories
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Post by Seven Zettabytes on Jan 31, 2017 16:18:14 GMT
That's the thing, they talk very little of the rest of the evanuris in comparison, even Elgar'nan seems relatively unimportant. I'm expecting learning more from them, of course, and it's possible that they're trying to keep them more in the dark to keep their future appearance more of a surprise, but if I had to bet I'd say they're talking more about Falon'Din to give us an introduction because he's going to show up in DA4. Well, as long as half of them aren't dead because they'll turn out to be the old gods, I'll be happy with what we get. They've had such a buildup, it'd be disappointing for me if we didn't get to see all of them eventually. Falon'Din would be an interesting start, though. He sounds a bit like special foil for Solas with his ability to walk another realm. As for Dirthamen, another lore-ignorant musing of mine , is that they were an abomnation, something like Anders/Justice, divinized as two different gods, and that would be why Solas didn't mention him... I don't know if it makes much sense but I like the idea It does make sense, I don't think this is ignorant of lore at all. There's something special going on with those two.
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 31, 2017 18:28:29 GMT
My favourite DAO PC was my city elf Warden, Raven Tabris. She wasn't my first Warden. I played the Dalish origin first and then my Surana mage before I circled back to the last of the elf options. By then I knew it bit more about the DA world and what things might have influenced her outlook on life. I decided her mother had been one of the Night Elves who helped Maric and Loghain in the war against Orlais in the belief that it would result in a better world for the elves in Ferelden. I don't know if they have changed the lore since but at the time of DAO it was apparently an offence to harm someone in defence of an elf, which presumably accounted for why Duncan does nothing to stop Vaughan kidnapping the wedding party. Anyway, it seemed to her that Maric and Loghain had betrayed the elves who assisted them in not making things better for the city elves, so definitely anti-nobility if not actually anti-human at the start of the game. She wasn't exactly thrilled at having an arranged marriage but then after the poor guy got himself killed trying to rescue her, she had another reason to be resentful of the way elves are treated. She kept his ring so she wouldn't forget him. She was not Andrastrian and had no regard whatsoever for the Chantry but didn't really know much about the elven gods either. She believed in people sticking together against those who would oppress them and so was very loyal to her family and friends in the alienage. She was proud of being an elf, in the standing tall kind of way. So much of her character development came through being mellowed by her contact with other races. I thought the Night Elves were an interesting concept, and while they weren't explored more in Origins (there's some references to The Stolen Throne in the vanilla game, such as a mention of the elven bard Katriel), it does seem that they were betrayed despite their service to the kingdom. Like you, I also imagined my Surana Warden's mother was one of the Night Elves (I imagined her as a single mother raising a child on her own in the Denerim alienage, and with the release of Inquisition imagined she had been enslaved by Tevinter but was freed by Clan Lavellan before reaching the Imperium with other elven slaves). Thanks to what his clan achieved in Wycome and the generosity of Varric, he actually thought they might have a shot of making a better world for all the elves of Thedas and he'll keep on trying until it happens but Solas threatens that dream. I do wish the fate of Clan Lavellan was a decision added to the Dragon Age Keep. Otherwise, I fear the outcome will go the way of the Dalish Boon to streamline everything. Logically, the existence of an elven-led council in Wycome, along with Briala serving as Marquise of the Dales (and possibly the ramifications of a Dalish elf becoming Comte in Kirkwall), should impact the numbers of Fen'Harel's army (given that there are some logical alternatives to pursue). When the Dalish protagonist tries to persuade Solas that he's wrong (which I imagine won't be a short conversation, assuming there is one between the two), it would be nice to bring up that there is some progressive change happening right now because of their actions - Briala is making positive reforms for the elves in Orlais while Clan Lavellan and the Wycome elves are governing Wycome with a prosperous alliance with Kirkwall securing their position. Otherwise, if the reset button is pushed on Briala's elven reforms and Wycome's elven-led fate, we're not going to be in a position to say much in our favor. Still can't believe Bioware got away with that; a group of Elven soldiers who specialize in stealth and guerilla warfare specifically named Night Elves. Seriously, did no one tell Blizzard's legal team ?
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 31, 2017 18:34:59 GMT
Still can't believe Bioware got away with that; a group of Elven soldiers who specialize in stealth and guerilla warfare specifically named Night Elves. Seriously, did no one tell Blizzard's legal team ? I don't really think it falls under copyright violation - they'd have to be way more similar (in terms of culture or appearance) for Blizzard to make a claim. As it stands, so long as there are enough differences, everything is fine, copyright-wise.
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 31, 2017 18:39:33 GMT
Still can't believe Bioware got away with that; a group of Elven soldiers who specialize in stealth and guerilla warfare specifically named Night Elves. Seriously, did no one tell Blizzard's legal team ? I don't really think it falls under copyright violation - they'd have to be way more similar (in terms of culture or appearance) for Blizzard to make a claim. As it stands, so long as there are enough differences, everything is fine, copyright-wise. Perhaps, but you would think an industry veteran like David Gaider would have at least tried to come up with a more original name that doesn't make such obvious connection.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 31, 2017 21:15:17 GMT
I don't really think it falls under copyright violation - they'd have to be way more similar (in terms of culture or appearance) for Blizzard to make a claim. As it stands, so long as there are enough differences, everything is fine, copyright-wise. Perhaps, but you would think an industry veteran like David Gaider would have at least tried to come up with a more original name that doesn't make such obvious connection. You're saying it as if Dragon Age is not ripe with any references and easter eggs that pay tribute to things they like ... And even if it wasn't - the term "night elf" isn't less generic than an 'elf' (hence it's not enough to make a copyright claim). So that's like complaining that they were unoriginal enough to name their pointy-eared characters 'elves' and not... dunno... 'oompalas'. It's just silly. Dragon Age is built to be full of fantasy tropes and things people are familiar with when they think of "fantasy". And so long as their elves - or night elves - have their dose of original background and story and distinguish themselves from other fictional races using the same name I fail to see what's the problem.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 31, 2017 21:57:34 GMT
They probably thought "Night" elf was safer than "Dark" elf. The latter is too common and too much D&D. Besides you can hardly copyright the word "night". As you say, so long as the Thedas "Night Elves" weren't an exact copy of the Blizzard ones, then it is just a generic sort of name. It just seems a pity that they totally dropped the concept after the novel. So may be they were a bit worried about using the term in game as it was the same medium as the other was used in.
Still he could have called them the "Shadow Elves", or would that be copying from somewhere else?
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Post by lobselvith8 on Feb 1, 2017 2:28:25 GMT
Or maybe the Wolf we'll get will be dependant on what wolf we feed Do his quest, gain his trust and we'd get a FenHarel who realises that the people of 'this' time has the same rights to live and yes they're worth saving too, 'broken' as they are (based on his pov ) Though I do not see him changing his plans in restoring 'his People', I'd imagine he'll give more thought and try to chart another path to achieve his goals with lesser casualties. Be on bad terms with him and we'll get the darker side of FenHarel and gets to see why the Evanuris labeled him as 'bad news'. He'd be more ruthless and vicious and steamroll himself to victory. Hypothetically speaking, if our protagonist can persuade Fen'Harel to back down, I don't see why Solas doesn't use the artificial world of the Eluvians to give the elves a safe place to reside (as one possibility). If he possesses such power, he may be able to augment the realm itself (as it was an artificial construct of the ancient elves).
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Post by Solas on Feb 1, 2017 4:11:35 GMT
Sunny is still the hero the Solas thread deserves
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Post by CapricornSun on Feb 1, 2017 5:03:38 GMT
Sunny is still the hero the Solas thread deserves Awww thanks, threaddad!
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After reading the past few posts, I remembered something. There is someone who does make a pro dalish comment. In the war room, sometime after you recruited Loranil from Keeper Hawen's clan, Leliana and Cullen will have this exchange.
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Post by Julilla on Feb 1, 2017 18:33:26 GMT
I'm crying laughing!! That's just wrong, roflmao
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 1, 2017 20:10:01 GMT
Yes, good old Leliana does have some good things to say about the Dalish and of course she restores the Canticle of Shartan if you make her Divine. Then the scholars promptly start implying that Shartan was never a real figure at all and it was all based off an older tale about a trickster warrior who fought against tyrants. Now who could that have been?!! Still, it is clear that what is given with one hand, is taken back with the other. The great elven hero (Shartan) still isn't getting the credit he deserves.
As for Solas, I'm still of a mind that at some stage he was an arcane warrior. When talking about them he says "Mages who focussed on spirits or the Fade might sneer at their physicality but never doubted their honour." Now you might think Solas was one of those mages who focussed on spirits or the Fade, yet it is clear he does not sneer at them for he goes on to say. "They were the living embodiment of will made manifest, mind shaping the body into the perfect weapon."
He also says they were elite guardsmen, serving as bodyguards of champions of nobles. We know from Trespasser that both Elgar'nan and Falon'Din had champions who fought in a dual to decide an argument between them. So it seems likely the other gods had champions as well. So it seems to me that Solas was likely the Champion of Mythal. He also says to Blackwall that as a young elf he was hot bloodied and reckless, so that was probably during his more physical stage and the concentration on spirits and the Fade either went in tandem or came later. It might also explain why he felt "honour" bound to avenge her death.
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