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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 30, 2017 11:56:46 GMT
My Lavellan made all the right choices about Wycome until the very last one - she always advocated for peaceful resolutions so she asked Josephine's diplomats to try to work with the Free Marcher nobles. And that failed - she needed to take the more warlike action of having Cullen station troops there. So she had a tragic outcome but I'd want it to stay that way if anything about it gets imported into DA4. I'd be annoyed if the world state in DA4 defaulted to the happy ending because that wouldn't reflect what happened to my Lavellan. I can understand wanting your choice to be faithfully carried over (I had issues with the Magi Boon being rectonned because of its importance to my Surana Warden). If Clan Lavellan had perished, I don't think I would have had much motivation for my character to continue. When Merrill talks about the clan at one point with Sebastian, she explains how interactive they are with each other - how the Keepers teach children, preserve history, perform magic, and how any potential orphans and widows are taken care of by the clan. To have your own family just perish... I don't think I would've continued.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jan 30, 2017 13:35:53 GMT
I know the Lavellan clan can die from reading posts so when I made my first elfy female Inq recently, I cheated. I made sure the clan live by finding out what decisions should be made. No way am I going to have them die. * The mysterious figure at the last could be one of the Evanuris. Just guessing.
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Post by Auirel on Jan 30, 2017 14:29:21 GMT
I know the Lavellan clan can die from reading posts so when I made my first elfy female Inq recently, I cheated. I made sure the clan live by finding out what decisions should be made. No way am I going to have them die. * The mysterious figure at the last could be one of the Evanuris. Just guessing. The fate of Clan Lavellan is something I'm having trouble deciding on if they live or die, as well as who drinks from the Well of Sorrows. Although that one is...far more painstakingly difficult to decide and makes me extraordinarily nervous about what happens to Lavellan. Isn't there a prevalent theory that Falon'Din is going to be the antagonist for the next game? He seems like the type to be all hooded and mysterious.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jan 30, 2017 14:32:30 GMT
My Lavellan made all the right choices about Wycome until the very last one - she always advocated for peaceful resolutions so she asked Josephine's diplomats to try to work with the Free Marcher nobles. And that failed - she needed to take the more warlike action of having Cullen station troops there. So she had a tragic outcome but I'd want it to stay that way if anything about it gets imported into DA4. I'd be annoyed if the world state in DA4 defaulted to the happy ending because that wouldn't reflect what happened to my Lavellan. I can understand wanting your choice to be faithfully carried over (I had issues with the Magi Boon being rectonned because of its importance to my Surana Warden). If Clan Lavellan had perished, I don't think I would have had much motivation for my character to continue. When Merrill talks about the clan at one point with Sebastian, she explains how interactive they are with each other - how the Keepers teach children, preserve history, perform magic, and how any potential orphans and widows are taken care of by the clan. To have your own family just perish... I don't think I would've continued. Oh, she didn't shrug it off like it was nothing, trust me! She hates that her family died on her watch. But what's done is done. All she can do is pick up the pieces and move on. If anything it has made her more determined to find a better way to fix the ancient elves' mess than by killing off most of the people in the world. She has a lot of empathy for others; I guess that's why she and Cole got along so well. She knows the pain of losing everyone you know and love, and wouldn't wish it on anyone else. There is some hope, though, that not all of Clan Lavellan died. In playthroughs where the clan is lost but you're friends with Sera, you learn that there's a jenny in Wycome who witnessed the slaughter and who believes there are some survivors.
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Post by javeart on Jan 30, 2017 14:49:28 GMT
I was distracted with MEA when Darrah posted the picture, and I know there's tons of possibilities and sorry for being a little pesimistic here (I'm usually wrong though, so not that it really matters if I'm pessimistic or not ), but it totally seemed to me a first glimpse of a DA4's very sad Solas, alone, with the black robes and the dark, cloudy sky... I can almost see the title of the picture being "I walk the Din'anshiral"
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Post by Seven Zettabytes on Jan 30, 2017 14:49:42 GMT
Isn't there a prevalent theory that Falon'Din is going to be the antagonist for the next game? He seems like the type to be all hooded and mysterious. I've never heard that one before. Do you happen to have any links that explain the theory a little more?
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jan 30, 2017 14:52:30 GMT
I was distracted with MEA when Darrah posted the picture, and I know there's tons of posibilities and sorry for being a little pesimistic here (I'm usually wrong though, so not that it really matters if I'm pessimistic or not ), but it totally seemed to me a first glimpse of a DA4's very sad Solas, alone, with the black robes and the dark, cloudy sky... I can almost see the title of the picture being "I walk the Din'anshiral" I also thought it might be Solas.
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Post by javeart on Jan 30, 2017 15:09:05 GMT
I was distracted with MEA when Darrah posted the picture, and I know there's tons of posibilities and sorry for being a little pesimistic here (I'm usually wrong though, so not that it really matters if I'm pessimistic or not ), but it totally seemed to me a first glimpse of a DA4's very sad Solas, alone, with the black robes and the dark, cloudy sky... I can almost see the title of the picture being "I walk the Din'anshiral" I also thought it might be Solas. Yeh, I remember! I read it all late and didn't say anything but I agreed with you via like It's kind of depressing if that's actually Solas though, I rather he was not I like to picture him busy leading a secret rebel organization, not traveling alone through devastated lands under an ominous sky
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Post by javeart on Jan 30, 2017 15:18:10 GMT
Isn't there a prevalent theory that Falon'Din is going to be the antagonist for the next game? He seems like the type to be all hooded and mysterious. I've never heard that one before. Do you happen to have any links that explain the theory a little more? I don't know if there's anything solid about this theory, it's my favourite (because it makes it easier to imagine a scenario where Solas is again on our side) and I supporte it every time someone mentions it , but I'm my case it's only a musing, based on not much else that DAI seems to highlight him above all the other evanuris (along with Mythal, for obvious reasons, and Andruil, I'd say that because of the blight). Also, I tend to think that the old gods and the evanuris are connected somehow and I can see Lusacan and Razikale being connected to Falon Din and Dirthamen. If on top of that someone who knows about lore has something more, I coud almost take it as a given that Falon' Din is the next villain
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 15:58:22 GMT
I know the Lavellan clan can die from reading posts so when I made my first elfy female Inq recently, I cheated. I made sure the clan live by finding out what decisions should be made. No way am I going to have them die. * The mysterious figure at the last could be one of the Evanuris. Just guessing. The fate of Clan Lavellan is something I'm having trouble deciding on if they live or die, as well as who drinks from the Well of Sorrows. Although that one is...far more painstakingly difficult to decide and makes me extraordinarily nervous about what happens to Lavellan. Isn't there a prevalent theory that Falon'Din is going to be the antagonist for the next game? He seems like the type to be all hooded and mysterious. I'm not sure if it's a prevalent theory, but I saw a couple of interesting posts on tumblr by the-queen-of-thedas and wyrdsistersofthedas, postulating that Falon'Din might be making an appearance next: wyrdsistersofthedas.tumblr.com/post/156472433897/the-figure-in-blackwyrdsistersofthedas.tumblr.com/post/156470041972/more-signs-from-the-inside
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 30, 2017 16:03:46 GMT
I was distracted with MEA when Darrah posted the picture, and I know there's tons of posibilities and sorry for being a little pesimistic here (I'm usually wrong though, so not that it really matters if I'm pessimistic or not ), but it totally seemed to me a first glimpse of a DA4's very sad Solas, alone, with the black robes and the dark, cloudy sky... I can almost see the title of the picture being "I walk the Din'anshiral" Welp... you have to admit, that we, Blanketforters might be seeing Solas everywhere xD In fact, I'm pretty sure that if someone's designed a Rorschach test for us, most of black blots of ink would end up as something like that: "oh, that's a sad, bald elf!"
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Post by javeart on Jan 30, 2017 16:27:00 GMT
I was distracted with MEA when Darrah posted the picture, and I know there's tons of posibilities and sorry for being a little pesimistic here (I'm usually wrong though, so not that it really matters if I'm pessimistic or not ), but it totally seemed to me a first glimpse of a DA4's very sad Solas, alone, with the black robes and the dark, cloudy sky... I can almost see the title of the picture being "I walk the Din'anshiral" Welp... you have to admit, that we, Blanketforters might be seeing Solas everywhere xD In fact, I'm pretty sure that if someone's designed a Rorschach test for us, most of black blots of ink would end up as something like that: "oh, that's a sad, bald elf!" not that I can deny certain level of Solas obsession, but I don't think is that unreasonable thinking that a teaser showing us a bald elf could be Solas when Solas is expected to be a central rol in the future game wait till I start saying "that's Solas" when they show us a picture of a qunari with a sword But, yes, I know, I started by admitting there's ton of possibilities, I realize that
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 30, 2017 17:08:20 GMT
Welp... you have to admit, that we, Blanketforters might be seeing Solas everywhere xD In fact, I'm pretty sure that if someone's designed a Rorschach test for us, most of black blots of ink would end up as something like that: "oh, that's a sad, bald elf!" not that I can deny certain level of Solas obsession, but I don't think is that unreasonable thinking that a teaser showing us a bald elf could be Solas when Solas is expected to be a central rol in the future game wait till I start saying "that's Solas" when they show us a picture of a qunari with a sword But, yes, I know, I started by admitting there's ton of possibilities, I realize that Oh, I don't deny that it's reasonable to assume that the teaser is showing Solas... I just think that - knowing Bioware's penchant for soft trolling - it's also possible that they'd flood us with Solas-related tweets, only to show us something that doesn't actually feature him
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 30, 2017 20:18:49 GMT
I know the Lavellan clan can die from reading posts so when I made my first elfy female Inq recently, I cheated. I made sure the clan live by finding out what decisions should be made. No way am I going to have them die. * The mysterious figure at the last could be one of the Evanuris. Just guessing. The fate of Clan Lavellan is something I'm having trouble deciding on if they live or die, as well as who drinks from the Well of Sorrows. Although that one is...far more painstakingly difficult to decide and makes me extraordinarily nervous about what happens to Lavellan. I suppose it depends on the type of character you play as. My former First, Revas, drank from the Well. It's a risk, but the opportunity to unveil countless wonders and mysteries that have eluded the People for millennia? He felt that was worth any price. Solas disagreed, of course, but that was only natural. All in all, it's a matter of your character and what drives your protagonist forward. Would your character see the worth in taking such a risk?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 30, 2017 21:12:39 GMT
I still think the worst part about losing clan Lavellan is that nobody addresses it in the main game. Clearly the writers took this criticism on board because they did have Sera bring it up in Trespasser. From what I recall of my first run, I learned that all my family were dead, walked down the corridor and called on Josephine, who was winging about her family having to work hard with their bare hands (I didn't have much sympathy because at least they were still alive), then carried on to find Solas because I thought he would be a good shoulder to cry on but he dumped me, went to see Dorian as my BFF so I could cry on his shoulder and he told me he was thinking of going back to Tevinter. That was not a good day.
I still think it was mean of them for the Dalish personal war table mission to be the only personal one where you could lose your entire family if you didn't choose right. The stupid thing was that I didn't choose to use my Dalish assassins because I felt sure that would backfire, they would get caught and then all hell would let lose against my clan. Then checking the Wiki I discovered that was the one way in which I could have saved them. I knew I should have trusted to my own people. Didn't make that mistake again.
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Post by Solas on Jan 30, 2017 23:28:18 GMT
I feel like we should officially twin with the jaal thread
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 23:45:31 GMT
I feel like we should officially twin with the jaal thread I saw this coming
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jan 30, 2017 23:56:56 GMT
Heh, on my way home from work just now, my mind turned back to one of the recent discussions I've contributed to in the DA Twitter Thread: bsn.boards.net/post/246294/threadIf you go to the previous page in that thread there is at least one comment from someone who said they never did the Measuring the Veil quest and the Measure Veil Strength war table operation because they don't want to help Solas do anything since he's bent on world destruction. And a fair number of people seem to be concerned that by activating all those ancient elven artifacts, you're actually helping Solas with his plan to tear down the Veil. People seem to think that activating them actually weakens the Veil, in spite of numerous in-game comments (albeit from Solas) that the wards are strengthened and it should now be harder for tears to form in that area. Anyway, my stance on them is that, while Solas may 'lie' about the ancient elves having built them to strengthen the Veil (which is odd when you later learn that the Veil didn't exist in the ancient elven world) it was only because he had to explain it in a way that your Inquisitor could understand, without bringing the idea that there once was no Veil into the discussion. (Because this would obviously beg the question "And just how do you know that, Solas?" which could then make it hard for him to maintain his cover as a hobo apostate elf.) And, the thought I had on my way home was that, if they actually were used by the ancient elves to stabilize the Fade in a pre-Veil world so that they could build permanent structures, then you might actually be saving lives by activating the artifacts, since presumably, those places with activated orbs would remain stable even when the Veil comes down - so they could be safe harbours for people to survive that event, if it indeed happens. So, I kind of wonder whether those who distrust Solas might actually be making the situation worse by not activating the orbs. Only time will tell.
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Post by melbella on Jan 31, 2017 2:08:10 GMT
I feel like we should officially twin with the jaal thread
Is this about MEA? Could anything MEA related please be noted and put in spoilers? It's hard enough trying to avoid spoilers in the entire ME forum without having to also do so here (in DA forums) too. Thank you.
[if not about MEA then nevermind ]
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Post by Auirel on Jan 31, 2017 2:42:48 GMT
The fate of Clan Lavellan is something I'm having trouble deciding on if they live or die, as well as who drinks from the Well of Sorrows. Although that one is...far more painstakingly difficult to decide and makes me extraordinarily nervous about what happens to Lavellan. I suppose it depends on the type of character you play as. My former First, Revas, drank from the Well. It's a risk, but the opportunity to unveil countless wonders and mysteries that have eluded the People for millennia? He felt that was worth any price. Solas disagreed, of course, but that was only natural. All in all, it's a matter of your character and what drives your protagonist forward. Would your character see the worth in taking such a risk? I think her motivation is part of that, there is so much potential knowledge there, but I think its going to come down to pragmatism too. Neither she nor Solas trusted Morrigan, Solas won't drink, none of the other companions will drink, but someone must drink. She realises there isn't much time to debate it, what with Corypheus right behind them, so she accepts that her drinking it is the best choice. Also my Lavellan was a little pissed off when after you meet Mythal, Morrigan is all like, "Oh, now I am glad you drank from the Well, otherwise I would have been bound to my mother and that would have been terrible." It proves she thought she could gain the benefits of drinking the Well with zero cost, truly a glutton drooling at the site of a feast. Whereas my Lavellan understood the sacrifice, but did so anyway because there was little other choice.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jan 31, 2017 2:53:35 GMT
I think her motivation is part of that, there is so much potential knowledge there, but I think its going to come down to pragmatism too. Neither she nor Solas trusted Morrigan, Solas won't drink, none of the other companions will drink, but someone must drink. She realises there isn't much time to debate it, what with Corypheus right behind them, so she accepts that her drinking it is the best choice. That's why my Lavellan drank it, plus she thought elven lore was better off with an elf. She gave the Red Crossing notes to the Dalish too, not the Chantry. She also thought quite poorly of Morrigan's assertion that the knowledge would be wasted on her. Sure, my Lavellan was not a mage, but you don't have to be a mage to study magic, only to do it. And she had JUST explained to Morrigan that it's not just knowledge in the Well, but the collective will of the priests of Mythal (thank you, Arcane Knowledge perk!). So it was particularly arrogant of Morrigan to make that assertion, as far as she was concerned.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Jan 31, 2017 3:04:24 GMT
I think her motivation is part of that, there is so much potential knowledge there, but I think its going to come down to pragmatism too. Neither she nor Solas trusted Morrigan, Solas won't drink, none of the other companions will drink, but someone must drink. She realises there isn't much time to debate it, what with Corypheus right behind them, so she accepts that her drinking it is the best choice. That's why my Lavellan drank it, plus she thought elven lore was better off with an elf. She gave the Red Crossing notes to the Dalish too, not the Chantry. She also thought quite poorly of Morrigan's assertion that the knowledge would be wasted on her. Sure, my Lavellan was not a mage, but you don't have to be a mage to study magic, only to do it. And she had JUST explained to Morrigan that it's not just knowledge in the Well, but the collective will of the priests of Mythal (thank you, Arcane Knowledge perk!). So it was particularly arrogant of Morrigan to make that assertion, as far as she was concerned. Morrigan was horribly arrogant through that whole area. Fitting, I guess, given who her mother is. (Even if she didn't know the whole truth. Or did she? I was never clear on that.) I wish they hadn't screwed up and deleted part of Solas' dialogue there too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 3:52:54 GMT
Since we're on the topic, my Revas didn't drink from the well but came close too. She was ticked off by Morrigan's arrogance and ticked off by Abelas refusal to help the modern elves. When she came to that well she was like "Fuck you, if you'er not going to help the elves of this time then I will." The only thing that kept her from drinking was Solas, if you drink from the well he will tell you that he begged you not to, I headcanon that that actually happened. I also imagine that Revas realized that Solas was an ancient elf since Abalas acknowledged him as elven but not her. This realization short of brought her out of her anger to feel uncomfortable and uncertain about the situation. If it wasn't for that she would drink believing that Mythal was dead and that the well would not have that great of a hold on her. There were hidden factors at play that she took notice of and seeing her lover, who very likely knows more then he's been letting on destroyed her resolve. She was certainly smug about it later to Morrigan. Plus it kind of feels that either choice is very dalish thing to do. The dalish are keepers of the lost lore, but they also adhere to the attitude: "We are the last elven and never again shall we submit." I really wish there was scene where we got to see Solas desperately beg that would have been great.
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Post by Rynnju on Jan 31, 2017 6:01:28 GMT
I feel like we should officially twin with the jaal thread I still say so many of us being there is a bad omen. Be wary of where the Solasmancers roam, for pain and heartbreak follow like a cold shadow. *ominous wind sounds*
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