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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 15, 2017 3:44:58 GMT
I honestly thought Kal Sharok Dwarves or Tevinter people always wearing black. Well, the Tevinters in Knight Errant wore mostly white armour, which was very similar to one of the designs in a page of fashions Mark Darrah tweeted months ago.  Note the lady in the middle of the second row. Salos? Is that a reference about that (ahem) leak? |
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Post by shinary on Oct 15, 2017 21:25:10 GMT
So, what do you think the chances are that we are going to see the Evanuris in the next game? I'm thinking that if he manages to remove the veil, maybe we have to do something about the Evanuris.
I just had a wicked idea - what if Andruil gets jealous of a Lavellan who romanced Solas (read the story about Andruil, Anaris and Fen'harel)? That could be a fun side plot. I'm thinking that Andruil kidnappes the Inquisitor (nomatter origin) and then there is extra content added if Lavellan is in a romance with Solas.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 15, 2017 22:03:13 GMT
So, what do you think the chances are that we are going to see the Evanuris in the next game? I'm thinking that if he manages to remove the veil, maybe we have to do something about the Evanuris. I just had a wicked idea - what if Andruil gets jealous of a Lavellan who romanced Solas (read the story about Andruil, Anaris and Fen'harel)? That could be a fun side plot. I'm thinking that Andruil kidnappes the Inquisitor (nomatter origin) and then there is extra content added if Lavellan is in a romance with Solas. You mean see as in - an active, perhaps even intractable presence, but not necessarily directly... or in person? We don't even know how much is left of Evanuris, or if perhaps they've had a more of an impact on the events than we know. Do they have anything to do with Old Gods, or any other mysterious beings? Were they whispering to mortals and influencing them, like demons? Really hard to tell. And as much as an interesting plot jealous Andruil could be, if she wasn't just jealous in a general sense (for whatever reason) of our friendship or attention of Fen'Harel, then jealous because of romantic feelings between Lavellan and Solas.... I don't think they'd create such extensive content for what ultimately was an additional romance. Even if we assume that with Weekes as a lead we won't be left with scraps, it'd probably be a thing that is too dependent on ultimately inconsequential side content. |
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Post by shinary on Oct 15, 2017 22:37:14 GMT
You mean see as in - an active, perhaps even intractable presence, but not necessarily directly... or in person? We don't even know how much is left of Evanuris, or if perhaps they've had a more of an impact on the events than we know. Do they have anything to do with Old Gods, or any other mysterious beings? Were they whispering to mortals and influencing them, like demons? Really hard to tell. And as much as an interesting plot jealous Andruil could be, if she wasn't just jealous in a general sense (for whatever reason) of our friendship or attention of Fen'Harel, then jealous because of romantic feelings between Lavellan and Solas.... I don't think they'd create such extensive content for what ultimately was an additional romance. Even if we assume that with Weekes as a lead we won't be left with scraps, it'd probably be a thing that is too dependent on ultimately inconsequential side content. I didn't mean it as being that extensive. Andruil could easily find out that Solas gave them Skyhold and helped them. And by that merely assuming that kidnapping the inquisitor would get his attention. The romance stuff would just be minor lines changed and such - nothing major. I don't expect it to happen, but I would find it fun. As for the Evanuris, they are there somewhere in a powerful form. Solas said that he merely locked them away as killing them would be difficult. That being said they might have weakened just as Solas and Mythal did. In theory, the protagonist could travel arround killing the evanuris one by one in order to get what ever remained of their power, so that they could match Solas' in the end. But that sounds more like a Zelda plot, than a Dragon age one. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 0:01:31 GMT
So, what do you think the chances are that we are going to see the Evanuris in the next game? I'm thinking that if he manages to remove the veil, maybe we have to do something about the Evanuris. I just had a wicked idea - what if Andruil gets jealous of a Lavellan who romanced Solas (read the story about Andruil, Anaris and Fen'harel)? That could be a fun side plot. I'm thinking that Andruil kidnappes the Inquisitor (nomatter origin) and then there is extra content added if Lavellan is in a romance with Solas. Well, Patrick Weekes recently joked on twitter about casting Michael Ironside to voice Falon'Din (low, gravelly voice). So its at least in the back of his mind. Going by the legends, I think there's a better chance of Ghilan'nain having had some sort of relationship with Solas, rather than Andruil. Though Solas does seem to respect Andruil more than Falon'din. |
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Post by shinary on Oct 16, 2017 1:45:03 GMT
Well, Patrick Weekes recently joked on twitter about casting Michael Ironside to voice Falon'Din (low, gravelly voice). So its at least in the back of his mind. Going by the legends, I think there's a better chance of Ghilan'nain having had some sort of relationship with Solas, rather than Andruil. Though Solas does seem to respect Andruil more than Falon'din. Perhaps, but I know of no other pantheon, who trapped him and wanted him as a sexslave as repayment for crossing her. |
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 16, 2017 1:50:08 GMT
Well, Patrick Weekes recently joked on twitter about casting Michael Ironside to voice Falon'Din (low, gravelly voice). So its at least in the back of his mind. Going by the legends, I think there's a better chance of Ghilan'nain having had some sort of relationship with Solas, rather than Andruil. Though Solas does seem to respect Andruil more than Falon'din. Perhaps, but I know of no other pantheon, who trapped him and wanted him as a sexslave as repayment for crossing her. To be fair, we don't really know how much of it was true, how much of it was metaphor and how much of it was Felassan just trolling everyone. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 1:50:28 GMT
Well, Patrick Weekes recently joked on twitter about casting Michael Ironside to voice Falon'Din (low, gravelly voice). So its at least in the back of his mind. Going by the legends, I think there's a better chance of Ghilan'nain having had some sort of relationship with Solas, rather than Andruil. Though Solas does seem to respect Andruil more than Falon'din. Perhaps, but I know of no other pantheon, who trapped him and wanted him as a sexslave as repayment for crossing her. I think it wasn't so much that she wanted him, rather that she wanted to make him suffer. Considering his stances on slavery and on consent, it is clear she wanted hurt him badly. |
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Post by morir_a_solas on Oct 16, 2017 4:27:14 GMT
Perhaps, but I know of no other pantheon, who trapped him and wanted him as a sexslave as repayment for crossing her. To be fair, we don't really know how much of it was true, how much of it was metaphor and how much of it was Felassan just trolling everyone. hopefully Felassan was just trolling, cause otherwise Solas has a lot of respect for some creepy and rapey ladie who tied him to a tree and sentenced him to serve a hundred years in her bed :s I agree it sounds like she was just trying to torture him and there was no consent or attraction involved cause otherwise why would he go into so much trouble to get out of 100 years of getting laid |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 4:37:59 GMT
To be fair, we don't really know how much of it was true, how much of it was metaphor and how much of it was Felassan just trolling everyone. hopefully Felassan was just trolling, cause otherwise Solas has a lot of respect for some creepy and rapey ladie who tied him to a tree and sentenced him to serve a hundred years in her bed :s I agree it sounds like she was just trying to torture him and there was no consent or attraction involved cause otherwise why would he go into so much trouble to get out of 100 years of getting laid She was only going to enslave him for a year and a day, not a 100 years (though to him it might have seemed that long XD). To be fair to Andruil, despite her cruel threat, she had what was at the time a legitimate complaint against Solas. By hunting the halla she could have meant he was stealing/recruiting from her slaves, hunting actual halla/livestock from her land, or if you want to interpret halla as The Halla - Ghilan'nain, aka her girlfriend, he might have been canoodling with Ghilly, and gotten caught (though that would beg the question why wasn't she mad at Ghilly?). Always thought that was a fun rabbit-hole.  |
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 16, 2017 10:16:12 GMT
You know I've always wondered about that passage with Ghilan'nain encouraging a follower of Dirthamen to "fly in the shape of the Divine". She was originally just a servant of Andruil who was "beloved" by her and so promoted to god status. Then Ghilan'nain encourages someone else to try for the same "honour". What if she did this because that person was really her lover and she wanted him with her. Now it could just be some random person, or one of the Forgotten Ones, but what if he were Solas and then punishment handed out by Elgar'nan was to serve Mythal? Then she later freed him (or did she) in order to better serve her agenda. If he was the follower of Dirthamen, was that the reason for the picture in the barn at Skyhold showing a bear (the sacred beast of Dirthamen) apparently hugging/hiding a white antlered figure (normally the sign of Ghilan'nain)? The Evanuris do say that Fen'Harel has many forms so he may not always have been seen as a wolf.
Clearly the equal status thing was eventually given because both Dalish legend saying they saw him as one of their own and his emphatic denial of godhood to his followers seem to confirm this. The Dalish say the Forgotten Ones also saw him as their ally. Gelduran seems to share similar sentiments to Solas. So Felassan's story has some degree of truth in it since Anaris accuses Fen'Harel of crimes against them and wants him dead, not just bound in service. As he points out, you can only really betray someone you have a connection with, so Felassan's story does seem to confirm that he was running around on a equal footing with both sets of gods at one point.
The story also seems to chime with the Dalish idea of him playing one set of gods off against the other and succeeding in fooling them both, whilst he chewed himself free. So may be it was more allegory of the final trickery that caused them all to be trapped by the Veil (being sent to sleep).
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 16, 2017 12:58:34 GMT
Question: In the self portrait of Solas the wolf persona is shown with 3 eyes. In the picture of him removing the vallaslin, his wolf headdress also has 3 eyes. So clearly this was a choice on his part. What do you think the significance of the number of eyes is?
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Oct 16, 2017 13:53:05 GMT
Question: In the self portrait of Solas the wolf persona is shown with 3 eyes. In the picture of him removing the vallaslin, his wolf headdress also has 3 eyes. So clearly this was a choice on his part. What do you think the significance of the number of eyes is? Pride demons have three eyes on each side of their head. Solas is named Pride. And he himself must see pride within, since at least one of those is apparently a self-portrait. |
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 16, 2017 14:11:31 GMT
Question: In the self portrait of Solas the wolf persona is shown with 3 eyes. In the picture of him removing the vallaslin, his wolf headdress also has 3 eyes. So clearly this was a choice on his part. What do you think the significance of the number of eyes is? I recall discussing it a while ago. Aside form all the connections with Pride Demon, the eyes have a strong symbolic meaning. |
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Post by morir_a_solas on Oct 17, 2017 4:34:10 GMT
hopefully Felassan was just trolling, cause otherwise Solas has a lot of respect for some creepy and rapey ladie who tied him to a tree and sentenced him to serve a hundred years in her bed :s I agree it sounds like she was just trying to torture him and there was no consent or attraction involved cause otherwise why would he go into so much trouble to get out of 100 years of getting laid She was only going to enslave him for a year and a day, not a 100 years (though to him it might have seemed that long XD). To be fair to Andruil, despite her cruel threat, she had what was at the time a legitimate complaint against Solas. By hunting the halla she could have meant he was stealing/recruiting from her slaves, hunting actual halla/livestock from her land, or if you want to interpret halla as The Halla - Ghilan'nain, aka her girlfriend, he might have been canoodling with Ghilly, and gotten caught (though that would beg the question why wasn't she mad at Ghilly?). Always thought that was a fun rabbit-hole. lol it’s been a while since I read TME I guess I thought it worse than it was, just remember thinking that such punishment seemed very exaggerated just for going hunting without checking with her first, but it never crossed my mind that the halla might be a metaphor for something else, that really is an interesting theory! |
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Post by close2myheart on Oct 17, 2017 5:29:46 GMT
Hi Blanketforter, have a question here, have any of you here seen spoilers/leaks/rumor on DA4?
... It's just that I want to ask something Solas related there and wanting to ask your opinion.
If no one has then, oh well.. I might just have to be patient a lot more longer, then
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 17, 2017 8:11:19 GMT
The eyes have a strong symbolic meaning in our world but there has been no indication that the 3rd eye has any symbolic significance in Thedas. So it may be that they were referencing the cultural significance of the 3rd eye IRL but that would mean it was just a design choice rather having any real meaning for Solas himself. So from an in-world perspective the nearest thing would be the fact that pride demons have 3 eyes on each side of their head and of course we only ever see one side of Fen'Harel.
Mind you, did pride demons exist in the world before the Veil? I thought Solas confirmed that the twisting of a spirit's nature into a demon is through the nature of the spirit being perverted. Normally the only way a spirit can interact with the world is by making contact with an emotion in a person on the other side of the Veil. Back in the pre-Veil world there was no barrier to spirits interacting with the world, so no need for them to feed off the emotions of people on the other side.
The other way is for the spirit to be forced into doing something against its nature. So his friend was a wisdom spirit forcibly summoned across the Veil and then ordered to kill. So presumably it would be this latter method that could have resulted in a pride demon in the pre-Veil world of the elves. Since he criticises Tevinter for misusing spirits in this way and they seem to have gained a lot of their knowledge from the ancient elves, were the Evanuris and their priesthood responsible for enslaving "our brethren of the air" as well as ordinary elves? Strangely enough we see no evidence of this visually but when Elgar'nan is banishing the Forbidden Ones he does mention how they "may be bound". Since they had shed form to flee back into the Fade, this would at least suggest that that the more powerful elves were capable of "binding" spirits but Elgar'nan's words seem to simply suggest that it is a way of imprisoning/restraining them from doing harm rather than actually commanding them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 17, 2017 8:19:54 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if a third eye has a similar symbolic meaning as it does here. After all Thedas shares many religious symbols with the real world, like most notably the Sun representing God or the highest deity. The meaning it has here certainly fits Solas.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 17, 2017 12:37:58 GMT
It may be that it has a similar meaning but I don't think we should assume that is the case simply because it goes with the character. That would still indicate a design choice on the part of the developers rather than actual lore relating to the setting.
Three eyes appear in the above image which I think is connected to the Warden Plot. You can see 3 eyes above the Black City and 3 eyes below. Three in itself also has great symbolic meaning IRL but I would be reticent to attach the same significance in Thedas.
However, we do have a codex concerning Visus, the Watchful Eye in the constellations of Thedas:
Known as "the Watchful Eye" in common parlance, this constellation had great significance to the ancient Alamarri and Cirianne peoples of southern Thedas. The story goes that the Lady of the Skies opened one eye so that the light from her gaze could lead her people safely from the Frostbacks. When Andraste's armies marched north from their ancestral lands to wage war upon Tevinter, they were guided by the Eye, and it became the Maker's gaze—not the Lady's— leading them to victory. The sword was added later; it is said that the star that marks the point of its blade only appeared in the night sky after Andraste's death. The early Inquisition took Visus as the symbol of their holy calling when they joined the Andrastian faith: the Eye representing both their search for maleficarum and the Maker's judgment upon their actions. When the Inquisition ended and became the Seekers of Truth and the Templar Order, the templars took the sword while the Seekers retained the eye.
This is the one concrete reference we have to the significance of an all seeing eye. Note that it was originally symbolic of the Lady of the Skies and then re-appropriated by Andraste's followers and later the Chantry as well to be symbolic of the Maker. Now I've long been of the opinion that the Lady of the Skies could be linked with Mythal. The Lady of the Skies is said to be watching over her people, protecting them, just as Mythal is said to have done. Mythal, like the Maker, is associated with judgement as well as protection. Mythal is also said to have been responsible for the development of cities in the empire of the elves. I suspect the great city of Arlathan was her creation. If this is in fact the same as the Golden City then the vacant throne would have been hers. The Lady of the Skies is also where the Alamarri believe the souls of the faithful go after death, just as the Andrastrian believe happens with the Maker. The odd thing is that if there wasn't this fixation on Andraste being the Maker's bride, then there really is no reason why the Maker couldn't be a woman. In fact there still isn't considering the Lady of the Skies took Tyrdda Brightaxe as her lover. Plus Mythal would still have been hanging out in the Fade in Andraste's time.
If this was the case, and the Lady of the Skies is linked to Mythal, then the 3rd eye on Solas' work could be indicative of Mythal. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 13:18:26 GMT
Hi Blanketforter, have a question here, have any of you here seen spoilers/leaks/rumor on DA4? ... It's just that I want to ask something Solas related there and wanting to ask your opinion. If no one has then, oh well.. I might just have to be patient a lot more longer, then Bioware has been completely mum about all things Dragon Age, other than releasing a few comics and broadly hinting that they are working on something for the "Dragon Age franchise". The soonest we will likely hear anything about it is after Anthem releases next spring, provided there are no delays. We're most likely looking at waiting until 2019 for the next game. |
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Post by Kymira on Oct 17, 2017 23:25:32 GMT
Hi Blanketforter, have a question here, have any of you here seen spoilers/leaks/rumor on DA4? ... It's just that I want to ask something Solas related there and wanting to ask your opinion. If no one has then, oh well.. I might just have to be patient a lot more longer, then Bioware has been completely mum about all things Dragon Age, other than releasing a few comics and broadly hinting that they are working on something for the "Dragon Age franchise". The soonest we will likely hear anything about it is after Anthem releases next spring, provided there are no delays. We're most likely looking at waiting until 2019 for the next game. Anthem is slated for Fall 2018 and not Spring, last I looked. EVEN MORE TIME TO WAIT. :srs: |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 23:32:10 GMT
Bioware has been completely mum about all things Dragon Age, other than releasing a few comics and broadly hinting that they are working on something for the "Dragon Age franchise". The soonest we will likely hear anything about it is after Anthem releases next spring, provided there are no delays. We're most likely looking at waiting until 2019 for the next game. Anthem is slated for Fall 2018 and not Spring, last I looked. EVEN MORE TIME TO WAIT.  Well, shit.  |
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Oct 17, 2017 23:39:37 GMT
Hey, maybe with the closure of EA's Visceral studio, they'll move a bunch of devs over to BioWare... No. Wait... They just shifted all the ME:A devs to not-BioWare a few months ago.  |
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 17, 2017 23:40:16 GMT
The eyes have a strong symbolic meaning in our world but there has been no indication that the 3rd eye has any symbolic significance in Thedas. Ummm.... but the eye on its own does? You just played as a leader of an organization that has an eye for its symbol   Not only that - it's a symbol of something called the Inquisition. Inquisition from being inquisitive, which is searching, seeking and ultimately seeing. Past Inquisition's successors are literally called Seekers of Truth. That is very much within the symbolism for the eye that we know and also something that - I'm sure of it - is yet another point of connection between Inquisitor and Solas. Something to keep in mind: while Thedas may not be close to our world per se, what with its magic and different history, it doesn't uses symbolism that is far away from ours. |
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