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Post by Catfishers on Sept 10, 2016 15:24:30 GMT
If Solas is not going through with his plans for all elves, but only ancient elves, then I don't like the implications. The epilogue of Trespasser showed that elves all over Thedas are rallying to his cause. Is he using them? I know he's capable of it and that some dialogue shows he has done it before. Do the elves know that they would die? Are they all ancient elves who have been living in disguise among Thedosians (which seems far-fetched)? Would he have lied to them or promised them something, or are the elves so angry with the rest of the world that they would be willing to sacrifice themselves for the return of 'their' culture? In short, I'm very curious what motivates these people. This is absolutely the one of the things that I am most curious about because I honestly don't know why people would help him if they weren't, as you said, either mislead or incredibly bitter with the rest of the world. Maybe he can help them, although from his dialogue it absolutely doesn't sound that way.
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 10, 2016 15:26:14 GMT
I bet we'll find out that it won't work at all, and that the world we're in now is something entirely different from what it used to be, thanks to the veil, and same for the elves we have now. That trying to combine the two worlds will just result in ending them both. Though, they did hint that this would happen and that magic would return to everyone, but that doesn't mean it will be stable and remain. While I wouldn't rule that out, I will say that I would be pissed if they made Solas wrong again. We'd never live it down
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Post by colonelkillabee on Sept 10, 2016 15:30:11 GMT
You already know there's gonna be something like that, lol. Maybe you can have a little fade baby with him... his name will be... Starchild. An abomination that he created to make abominations out of everyone, so that no one will be abominations. I'm not entirely certain what that last sentence means, but you get a like anyhow for the fade baby. Do you really think this is just all going to end up like ME3? I hope Weekes and Co. come up with something a little more original than that. Perhaps my hope is misplaced, but we shall see. Anyhow, screw green. I choose blue. Lavellan minds Solas for all time as his eternal spirit wife! He'll never be rid of the old ball and chain! [sinister cackle] Goodnight friends...the Fade beckons this silly one home. If everyone is an abomination then no one will be abominations! It'll be the new norm! It's genius!!! Seriously tho, I'm sure they'll at least be smart enough to not make it red green blue again. Whoever did that, I bet they thought it was so cool lol. Anyway I do think that this idea will be used for part of the ending or at least the plot.
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Post by colonelkillabee on Sept 10, 2016 15:37:49 GMT
I bet we'll find out that it won't work at all, and that the world we're in now is something entirely different from what it used to be, thanks to the veil, and same for the elves we have now. That trying to combine the two worlds will just result in ending them both. Though, they did hint that this would happen and that magic would return to everyone, but that doesn't mean it will be stable and remain. While I wouldn't rule that out, I will say that I would be pissed if they made Solas wrong again. We'd never live it down It'd be boring honestly if he were wrong. But their storytelling isn't the greatest, so that's what I'm expecting so I can hopefully be pleasantly surprised. I mean, I'm a human fan first, at least for Ferelden, so I'd like to root for this world, and that elves can make their place within it, but I do like the elves too, and especially Solas who I honestly relate to more than any other character to date. And despite liking this world, it'd be more exciting if the elven "God" not only had a plan to make things better for elves, but the plan could succeed. Much more drama, juicy juicy drama. Would probably spark a race war.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 10, 2016 15:38:22 GMT
But with theories like the one you posit here, I'm at a loss. His goal is to fix the mistake he made, because he feel duty-bound to do so - okay, but how does this achieve that? This WON'T bring them back, so it won't fix his mistake, so his entire course of action is futile. I'm not trying to go "No you're wrong," I just genuinely want to hear some expansion on it. What stops the modern Elves from being his people is because he thinks (and he's right in a way) that they are merely simulacra of what they should be. The magic that was an intrinsic part of them has been diminished by the Veil to the point where it lies dormant in the majority of modern Elves. By tearing down the Veil, that shackle and inhibitor will be removed and modern Elves will be restored to what they should be. I don't think that Solas intends to kill the modern Elves with what he's doing because that would defeat the point. He doesn't care about them as they currently are, but he does care what they will become when he succeeds. The question then is how he plans to keep them alive when the Veil is torn down? The Breach events and the Dark Future showed the destruction was the result of the Fade bleeding into Thedas, but the Fade seemed to be unaffected and nothing was pulled through save for things the Inquisitor brought via the Anchor. Being in either the Fade or a pocket dimension like the Crossroads or Vir Dirthara, could provide a lifeboat for the Elves to more safely ride out the storm. Solas states in Trespasser that his original plan was to use the Anchor to enter the Fade and bring down the Veil, so perhaps the Fade won't be as affected by the maelstrom of "raw chaos" from the collapse as Thedas will be? (Unless the other reason he was going to go to the Fade was to tap into the ambient magical energy to help power the rituals, since even with his Orb his own power has been drained during the millennia he slept? Now he's without the Orb, he perhaps needed to steal Mythal's power to try to get the power he needed, but it wasn't nearly enough?) Honestly? I am so totally betting that my crackpot theory might actually be right. This isn't just about modern elves. All "Inquisitor's" people will end for Solas's to return. Why? Because everyone will be just like they were. Everyone... will be elves. That includes humans, Qunari and possibly even dwarves. What will likely happen is that they'd forget their past identities (kinda like Cole when he becomes more spirit he sheds a lot of memory of the emotional burden that kept him tied to his form and to Thedas), which effectively means something akin of death. Maybe modern elves will be able to retain something of their past identities, given their relative similarity to how people were all those thousands of years before, but it's possible that they may as well be too far gone...
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 10, 2016 15:58:17 GMT
Hmph. Every time I try to posit the "Solas is going to restore the modern elves, not kill them" theory people just tell me I'm wrong and he's going to murder everyone. *Pout* But I guess that makes more sense. I suppose I was thinking about the theory under the assumption that the modern elves will not be saved, since that seems to be the assumption most people make. And in that scenario, he'd just be pointlessly carrying out duty to the benefit of nothing and no one. I am still convinced that Solas is only intending saving the few ancient elvhen who are still in existence. They may be up and moving around, like Abelas, or they may be waiting things out in uthenera, but it is these ancient elves who will benefit from his plan, whereas he expects the modern elves to die along with everyone else. The reason for thinking this is that he implies that Lavellan will die. "Enjoy the time you have left", said to a friend or "I will always remember you" to his love. Also if speaking to a non-elf Inquisitor, whom he dislikes and who killed Abelas and the Sentinals, he says: "After observing you strike down some of the last true elves left..." So he agrees with Abelas that Lavellan and all modern elves are not "true" elves, just "shadows wearing vallaslin". This is also the reason for his sense of urgency about carrying out his plan, because the Crossroads is breaking down and likely those in Uthenera are threatened with extinction, possibly through their link with their sustenance from the Fade weakening over time. Even so, I don't really understand what he means by the world burning in the fires of chaos. Does he simply mean there will be enormous strife during the transitional period or that the sudden injection of magic back into the world will destabilise it in some way? If the former, then some people may survive, particularly if they make sufficient preparation; if the latter then how does he intend preventing it affecting the "true" elves as well? See! See! Anyway, I don't think you can take low-approval Solas' opinions to be the same as high-approval Solas' opinions, since his world view in either state is very different. He might tell a disliked Inquisitor that the Sentinels were the last true elves - but that's because in those routes he doesn't see value in modern people. Something which he changes in high-approval routes. He might not agree with Abelas then. He probably doesn't.
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 10, 2016 16:05:17 GMT
Anyhow, screw green. I choose blue. Lavellan minds Solas for all time as his eternal spirit wife! He'll never be rid of the old ball and chain! [sinister cackle] Completely OT, but I will finally find out what blue, red and green means today! I'll be playing what I assume is the last part of Priority Earth, very excited It'd be boring honestly if he were wrong. But their storytelling isn't the greatest, so that's what I'm expecting so I can hopefully be pleasantly surprised. I mean, I'm a human fan first, at least for Ferelden, so I'd like to root for this world, and that elves can make their place within it, but I do like the elves too, and especially Solas who I honestly relate to more than any other character to date. And despite liking this world, it'd be more exciting if the elven "God" not only had a plan to make things better for elves, but the plan could succeed. Much more drama, juicy juicy drama. Would probably spark a race war. I'm always in the pan-species, "why can't we all get along" camp, lol. It would be nice to see elves restored without destroying the other races, definitely. And if the elves are restored, I can see a race war being the next big thing that replaces the mage-templar fight, which would be a refreshing change (as long as the fandom doesn't get ugly about race hostilities).
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Post by colonelkillabee on Sept 10, 2016 16:16:03 GMT
Anyhow, screw green. I choose blue. Lavellan minds Solas for all time as his eternal spirit wife! He'll never be rid of the old ball and chain! [sinister cackle] Completely OT, but I will finally find out what blue, red and green means today! I'll be playing what I assume is the last part of Priority Earth, very excited It'd be boring honestly if he were wrong. But their storytelling isn't the greatest, so that's what I'm expecting so I can hopefully be pleasantly surprised. I mean, I'm a human fan first, at least for Ferelden, so I'd like to root for this world, and that elves can make their place within it, but I do like the elves too, and especially Solas who I honestly relate to more than any other character to date. And despite liking this world, it'd be more exciting if the elven "God" not only had a plan to make things better for elves, but the plan could succeed. Much more drama, juicy juicy drama. Would probably spark a race war. I'm always in the pan-species, "why can't we all get along" camp, lol. It would be nice to see elves restored without destroying the other races, definitely. And if the elves are restored, I can see a race war being the next big thing that replaces the mage-templar fight, which would be a refreshing change (as long as the fandom doesn't get ugly about race hostilities). Oh you know it will, lol XD. If we're in Tevinter though, I'm playing an elf no question. That or I'll be the traitor human that gets some elven trim and decides to help them out against the Tevinter mage assholes. Yea, that sounds about right, regardless of location, lol. It's unfortunate but all the big powerhouses on the human side are douchebags. Templars and the Chantry, Chevaliers and Orlais in general. Tevinter, the lot of them. Ferelden is their only redeeming factor. And maybe Antiva.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Sept 10, 2016 16:18:33 GMT
Anyhow, screw green. I choose blue. Lavellan minds Solas for all time as his eternal spirit wife! He'll never be rid of the old ball and chain! [sinister cackle] Completely OT, but I will finally find out what blue, red and green means today! I'll be playing what I assume is the last part of Priority Earth, very excited Good luck! I'm still trying to process what happened there and I finished it 2 months ago. Solas makes it pretty clear that he doesn't consider the current elves as being any more 'people' than humans/dwarves etc (in the beginning anyways). I don't think his plan involves saving/restoring them, though that might be a side benefit. He's got his head stuck in the past, everything he is planning is for those elves. Still makes me wonder why the dalish & city elves would disappear to follow him though.
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Post by mechalynx on Sept 10, 2016 16:21:27 GMT
New here, so no idea if this has been mentioned before... What if, in the next game, the protagonist (hopefully the Inquisitor) could be super nice to Solas and his organisation. Like, no violence or antagonism at all. They'd know all about his secret bases and use the knowledge to send cakes and stuff. His people would be going: "WTF?! We're at war. Why are they sending sweets? How can we be angry with them now?!" They'd be completely crestfallen as to how to handle all the niceness, so in the end they'll launch an attack on the stronghold, only to be met with a welcome party when they arrive.
He'd probably throw a fit at the gates, because it'd seem like his opponent doesn't take him seriously. So they get him an assortment of beverages, because he doesn't like tea.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Sept 10, 2016 16:30:25 GMT
New here, so no idea if this has been mentioned before... What if, in the next game, the protagonist (hopefully the Inquisitor) could be super nice to Solas and his organisation. Like, no violence or antagonism at all. They'd know all about his secret bases and use the knowledge to send cakes and stuff. His people would be going: "WTF?! We're at war. Why are they sending sweets? How can we be angry with them now?!" They'd be completely crestfallen as to how to handle all the niceness, so in the end they'll launch an attack on the stronghold, only to be met with a welcome party when they arrive. He'd probably throw a fit at the gates, because it'd seem like his opponent doesn't take him seriously. So they get him an assortment of beverages, because he doesn't like tea. Winning over the Dreadwolf one frilly cake at a time. I like it. I doubt there would be many outside this thread that would though. Source: www.deviantart.com/art/Solas-Sketches-502002569
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Post by colonelkillabee on Sept 10, 2016 16:30:43 GMT
One thing you should all be prepared for is a lot of hypocrisy in the near future. I love my man Loghain. Even though I've killed him in literally every playthrough I've ever done. I was a Cousland, and a male. It's just not gonna end well for him, sorry, lol.
But even despite my roleplay making it impossible to let him live, I understood exactly why he took those extreme measures, and were I in his place, I'd do the exact same thing he did, though I'd have handled the aftermath of the king's death a bit differently to avoid civil war if at all possible. He's the second character I relate to the most in this series, and despite the terrible things he did, many fans give him a pass for fulfilling the old trope of soldier who knows more than his king but the king doesn't listen to him.
That's not gonna happen with Solas. Just because he's an elf, and most of the guys at least on these forums are human fans, and will root for them every time no matter what. Not to throw everyone under generalizations, but the chuckleheads that I know, the ones that go uber hard on the elf hate? They're not exactly the most sociable types to be around, and it seems to me like they just really enjoy being the ones that bully the outcast for once. I can't really explain why else they go so hard in shitting on mages and elves, like really go out of their way to do so, lol.
There's also the fact that soooo many female fans love the guy, lol. I think they're jealous XD.
Anyway, Solas is definitely as flawed as he is awesome, and I do get why some of them hate on him. He and my character certainly aren't on good terms right now. But others have almost an irrational level of hate associated with him, also likely because people don't like it when their character in a videogame loses. I said once before that I didn't think some Lavellan fans could handle their characters being treated the way they were by him because in a game where you are the star, you're not supposed to have bad things happen that you can't control. That goes for the non lavellan players as well, definitely.
So, expect Solas to be compared to Hitler and so on, KKK, all that, lol. People just can't handle strong independent badass assholes.
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Post by mechalynx on Sept 10, 2016 16:44:30 GMT
One thing you should all be prepared for is a lot of hypocrisy in the near future. I love my man Loghain. Even though I've killed him in literally every playthrough I've ever done. I was a Cousland, and a male. It's just not gonna end well for him, sorry, lol. ....... Trimmed down for size, as I haven't learned codes yet..... I think it is a testament to the quality of writing of the game that my opinion of Solas changes with every Inquisitor. My snarky Dalish mage is all about saving him and sees only the good and my Human devout Andrastian archer can see his point of view, but is getting slowly fed up with the poorly hidden racism. They'll both try to save him. I have yet to play Dwarf and Qunari, heard that he's quite condescending towards those Inquisitors, so it'll probably be much easier to set up a story where Solas will get dead if possible. I do hope for a dialogue choice where you can call him out on being everything he claims he isn't. He says the Evanuris, including himself aren't gods, but only a god would have the arrogance to tear down the world just because it doesn't suit their tastes.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Sept 10, 2016 16:54:28 GMT
One thing you should all be prepared for is a lot of hypocrisy in the near future. I love my man Loghain. Even though I've killed him in literally every playthrough I've ever done. I was a Cousland, and a male. It's just not gonna end well for him, sorry, lol. But even despite my roleplay making it impossible to let him live, I understood exactly why he took those extreme measures, and were I in his place, I'd do the exact same thing he did, though I'd have handled the aftermath of the king's death a bit differently to avoid civil war if at all possible. He's the second character I relate to the most in this series, and despite the terrible things he did, many fans give him a pass for fulfilling the old trope of soldier who knows more than his king but the king doesn't listen to him. That's not gonna happen with Solas. Just because he's an elf, and most of the guys at least on these forums are human fans, and will root for them every time no matter what. Not to throw everyone under generalizations, but the chuckleheads that I know, the ones that go uber hard on the elf hate? They're not exactly the most sociable types to be around, and it seems to me like they just really enjoy being the ones that bully the outcast for once. I can't really explain why else they go so hard in shitting on mages and elves, like really go out of their way to do so, lol. There's also the fact that soooo many female fans love the guy, lol. I think they're jealous XD. Anyway, Solas is definitely as flawed as he is awesome, and I do get why some of them hate on him. He and my character certainly aren't on good terms right now. But others have almost an irrational level of hate associated with him, also likely because people don't like it when their character in a videogame loses. I said once before that I didn't think some Lavellan fans could handle their characters being treated the way they were by him because in a game where you are the star, you're not supposed to have bad things happen that you can't control. That goes for the non lavellan players as well, definitely. So, expect Solas to be compared to Hitler and so on, KKK, all that, lol. People just can't handle strong independent badass assholes. I hope there are more options for Solas than *dies horribly*, but yeah...not expecting anything else. I can still hope though!
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Post by colonelkillabee on Sept 10, 2016 17:04:52 GMT
One thing you should all be prepared for is a lot of hypocrisy in the near future. I love my man Loghain. Even though I've killed him in literally every playthrough I've ever done. I was a Cousland, and a male. It's just not gonna end well for him, sorry, lol. ....... Trimmed down for size, as I haven't learned codes yet..... I think it is a testament to the quality of writing of the game that my opinion of Solas changes with every Inquisitor. My snarky Dalish mage is all about saving him and sees only the good and my Human devout Andrastian archer can see his point of view, but is getting slowly fed up with the poorly hidden racism. They'll both try to save him. I have yet to play Dwarf and Qunari, heard that he's quite condescending towards those Inquisitors, so it'll probably be much easier to set up a story where Solas will get dead if possible. I do hope for a dialog choice where you can call him out on being everything he claims he isn't. He says the Evanuris, including himself aren't gods, but only a god would have the arrogance to tear down the world just because it doesn't suit their tastes. Exactly right, referring to your last sentence. That hypocrisy is also incredibly epic, lol. He looked at the world, frowned and said fuck all this, I'm changing everything back. Anyway, I would also like the chance to have a debate with him, kinda like Shepard did with Saren. I just... hope it ends better than that did, lol.
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Post by Elessara on Sept 10, 2016 17:48:54 GMT
I think it is a testament to the quality of writing of the game that my opinion of Solas changes with every Inquisitor. My snarky Dalish mage is all about saving him and sees only the good and my Human devout Andrastian archer can see his point of view, but is getting slowly fed up with the poorly hidden racism. They'll both try to save him. I have yet to play Dwarf and Qunari, heard that he's quite condescending towards those Inquisitors, so it'll probably be much easier to set up a story where Solas will get dead if possible. I do hope for a dialog choice where you can call him out on being everything he claims he isn't. He says the Evanuris, including himself aren't gods, but only a god would have the arrogance to tear down the world just because it doesn't suit their tastes. Exactly right, referring to your last sentence. That hypocrisy is also incredibly epic, lol. He looked at the world, frowned and said fuck all this, I'm changing everything back. Anyway, I would also like the chance to have a debate with him, kinda like Shepard did with Saren. I just... hope it ends better than that did, lol. Speaking of boss battle debates ... I've been playing Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. I've never played Human Revolution but I hear it has the same thing ... anyway, certain situations can be won completely non-violently by having a debate. I think this sort of mechanic is fairly interesting although in Deus Ex you're not really paying attention to what the people are saying, you're paying attention to your social analysis augment that basically tells you which option to pick. It's actually pretty refreshing to NOT have to kill people. Not that I think we'll be able to just TALK Solas down. But it would be interesting.
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 10, 2016 18:09:43 GMT
Exactly right, referring to your last sentence. That hypocrisy is also incredibly epic, lol. He looked at the world, frowned and said fuck all this, I'm changing everything back. Anyway, I would also like the chance to have a debate with him, kinda like Shepard did with Saren. I just... hope it ends better than that did, lol. Speaking of boss battle debates ... I've been playing Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. I've never played Human Revolution but I hear it has the same thing ... anyway, certain situations can be won completely non-violently by having a debate. I think this sort of mechanic is fairly interesting although in Deus Ex you're not really paying attention to what the people are saying, you're paying attention to your social analysis augment that basically tells you which option to pick. It's actually pretty refreshing to NOT have to kill people. Not that I think we'll be able to just TALK Solas down. But it would be interesting. I haven't played Deus Ex, but that sounds fascinating. I don't see why we shouldn't be able to talk Solas down - depending on our actions in DAI, of course. If he respects the Inquisitor, he already starts to see our world as worthwhile, and it can't be such a leap for him to reconsider his decision. I think it could be in character for him too. Solas isn't impulsive (anymore), so it may take some challenging, persuasion and time, but he is above all a rational person, surely we should be able to debate this with him. Editing to add: Not that I think we should just persuade him, Solas decides to give up his plan of restoring the elves, and we all live happily ever after. After all we've been through, I know it's important that Solas perseveres with his plan. I just hope that DA4 somehow gives us an alternative to Solas' plan, that has a chance of working.
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Post by Solas on Sept 10, 2016 18:09:49 GMT
soals needs a slap tbh
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Post by mechalynx on Sept 10, 2016 18:17:36 GMT
Yup. Lavellan tried giving him a hug and more. Look what that got her.
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 10, 2016 19:00:27 GMT
One thing you should all be prepared for is a lot of hypocrisy in the near future. I love my man Loghain. Even though I've killed him in literally every playthrough I've ever done. I was a Cousland, and a male. It's just not gonna end well for him, sorry, lol. But even despite my roleplay making it impossible to let him live, I understood exactly why he took those extreme measures, and were I in his place, I'd do the exact same thing he did, though I'd have handled the aftermath of the king's death a bit differently to avoid civil war if at all possible. He's the second character I relate to the most in this series, and despite the terrible things he did, many fans give him a pass for fulfilling the old trope of soldier who knows more than his king but the king doesn't listen to him. That's not gonna happen with Solas. Just because he's an elf, and most of the guys at least on these forums are human fans, and will root for them every time no matter what. Not to throw everyone under generalizations, but the chuckleheads that I know, the ones that go uber hard on the elf hate? They're not exactly the most sociable types to be around, and it seems to me like they just really enjoy being the ones that bully the outcast for once. I can't really explain why else they go so hard in shitting on mages and elves, like really go out of their way to do so, lol. There's also the fact that soooo many female fans love the guy, lol. I think they're jealous XD. Anyway, Solas is definitely as flawed as he is awesome, and I do get why some of them hate on him. He and my character certainly aren't on good terms right now. But others have almost an irrational level of hate associated with him, also likely because people don't like it when their character in a videogame loses. I said once before that I didn't think some Lavellan fans could handle their characters being treated the way they were by him because in a game where you are the star, you're not supposed to have bad things happen that you can't control. That goes for the non lavellan players as well, definitely. So, expect Solas to be compared to Hitler and so on, KKK, all that, lol. People just can't handle strong independent badass assholes. Solas is a strong independent NPC who don't need no fanbase support. Anyway, I wonder if Solas will fall into the Morrigan camp of "A lot of people hated me at first but most of them seem to have come around over the years" or the Anders camp of "No everyone still hates you." But truth be told, I don't really care a whole lot about Solas haters. Some of them have sensible points. Some of them seem to make up shit to slander him with. But no one ever changed their mind because of an argument on the internet. If they come around, it's either because they had their own epiphany or because something in the text itself made them. Not much to be gained with starting debates there. What's important is that A ) Solas may have more haters than most companions, but he also has a sizable fanbase, one the writers are very much aware of, and B ) The head writer himself (And his editor, apparently) both seem to adore the character and aren't likely to mistreat or neglect him because "it's what the fans want." I don't think this will be the same case as it was with, say, Jacob, where he got side-lined because his reception was pretty mild and the writers assumed that no one really cared. And to be honest, that's all I really care about. Let the haters do whatever - so long as the story and character themselves don't suddenly bend to fit that mold, then I'm good. Exactly right, referring to your last sentence. That hypocrisy is also incredibly epic, lol. He looked at the world, frowned and said fuck all this, I'm changing everything back. Anyway, I would also like the chance to have a debate with him, kinda like Shepard did with Saren. I just... hope it ends better than that did, lol. Speaking of boss battle debates ... I've been playing Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. I've never played Human Revolution but I hear it has the same thing ... anyway, certain situations can be won completely non-violently by having a debate. I think this sort of mechanic is fairly interesting although in Deus Ex you're not really paying attention to what the people are saying, you're paying attention to your social analysis augment that basically tells you which option to pick. It's actually pretty refreshing to NOT have to kill people. Not that I think we'll be able to just TALK Solas down. But it would be interesting. I've played Human Revolution (Haven't got a chance to try out MD yet.) and yeah they have the same mechanic - flaws and all. It is an interesting idea, but when you play like me and dump all your praxis points into stealth augs, there isn't a social augmentation to check. So the battles basically became a case of me randomly guessing, which made both the victories and the losses feel inexplicable and unearned. The win scenario for the last battle is one I literally stumbled into on the first try. I figured it was just scripted for you to win, until i found out later it was supposed to be the hardest social debate in the game. But I've seen people put forth the idea that this was basically what Trespasser did. The final "battle" of the game wasn't with the Qunari, it was with Solas. He's simply more inclined to talk than to fight. It's a cute idea, but not one I really buy, since it assumes that having high-approval is the "win" condition, which sort of ignores the fact that getting low-approval with Solas could be the result of role-playing choices and not total failure. Still, I guess we can consider it a prototype if they decide to go in that direction. Dangerous words coming from someone with a Solas avatar.
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Post by Solas on Sept 10, 2016 19:15:35 GMT
Dangerous words coming from someone with a Solas avatar.[/quote] how did you see thru my mustache disguise ???? edit: the quote coding in this post.. dont look at me....
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Post by Amburu on Sept 10, 2016 19:17:51 GMT
Hello I've spent the whole day on this it's finally over :cries:
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Post by melbella on Sept 10, 2016 19:20:30 GMT
Not that I think we'll be able to just TALK Solas down. But it would be interesting. I don't think our character (either Inquisitor or someone new) will be able to change Solas' mind. However, I do think it's possible that circumstances will change to the point where whatever it is he thinks he's trying to accomplish by removing the veil will be rendered moot. For example, if his goal is to prevent Blight from destroying the world, it will have already been released and removing the veil now won't stop it. Or, he wants to keep the last two Old Gods safe underground but they will have already stirred and got the darkspawn horde in attack mode. Or, he's hoping to ambush the Evanuris while they're still weak but maybe they have already found a way to escape and have grown stronger. Whatever it is, I think he will realize he's too late and now there's no point to what he wants to do unless he really does just want to kill everyone. Which doesn't seem like a Solas-type of thing to do.
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Post by Solas on Sept 10, 2016 19:22:22 GMT
thats positively adorable amburu!
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