The Blanketfort (crying and throwing up) - The Official Solas Thread [Spoilers]

The many flavours of Lavellan
And all of them delicious

Would be funny if Solas diplaces FalonDin so he could up lift Lavellan instead just because it sounds better: Lavellan Lethanavir.. XD

.. If he offers that, even my IQ loyal to the Inquisition will have a hard time deciding XD.

So, I'm on a phone and how do I put that 'spoiler' thingy here? Finally got my girl's back story (somewhat) right, want to post but don't want to overwhelm the thread with a wall o' text XD

I'm not really into the idea of a world dominated by elves (ancient or modern), I just want a world where they're not discriminated and where their culture is respected, so I'm not sure I support what Solas wants to do, because I'm not sure what Solas is really trying to do in this regard, to begin with. I can't help thinking that whatever he's doing, he's doing it for the spirits, not "real" people. And in any case, I'd rather find out that whatever he's doing, he's doing it because it's the only way to save the world in the long run, because of the true nature of the bligh or something like that, than just out of guilt for screwing things up for his "people".

That said, a world without the veil I'd love that. My ideal course of action would be force Solas to stop and think about another way to do that, one where no one dies. I still think that it's wrong to make such a big decision on your own, of course, but if that was possible I'd totally give into temption, because magic everywhere!! The chance of still getting him into bed would be just an enjoyable side benefit .

edit: btw, what do you think Solas really want and why he's doing it? Just bringing the world of Arlathan back or there's more to it? Guilt, fear of dying alone, or something else?

You're probably right and I have to say that I get how powerful guilt can be, if anything and it usually makes a character more likeable for me, not less. I'd even say that I like that kind of tragic stories. Apparently there's a lot of hate against Blackwall because of what he's done, which is terrible, but I really pity him and I kind of like the story. My problem with him is that I don't like the character, with or without a dark past. I think it's a good man now, but I don't find him interesting. 

So, back to Solas, if he's driven purely by guilt, I'd understand it, and I'd think that it makes for a sad but definitely beatiful story. On the other hand, if he had an ulterior and more reasonable motive, he wouldn't be a vilain, and I think that's my first priority for his story  ( 1) not doing anything evil, 2) not dying 3) If possible, living happy for ever with lavellan ). And, in any case, I have to say that Solas was the guy who said:  "I would be concerned if you forgot your past, but that seems unlikely. Beyond that, guilt is a distraction. One we can ill afford" And I've already said that, personally, I don't see him much like a person driven mainly by emotions...

Not that contradictory words and actions are uncommon anyway  and I imagine that even someone like him can sometimes act irrationally

Not the Dread Wolf rocking out?

If he tears down the veil, and the Evanuris are freed.... Not only will all the elves he saved from prior slavery be re enslaved, so will all the dwarves and humans of Thedas, surely. Unless the tearing down of the Veil reignites a lot of magic all over the place, Thedas is very weak in the magical department compared to what it once was.

yikes, and the elf hate will be through the roof once it's all over. Nothing like the equivalent of a batch of Elven Magisters trying to enslave all of Thedas to get that racial hate way up there.

I still wonder if Solas is going to be the actual villain in DA4.  I hope for some plot twist that makes it so that bringing down the veil HAS to be done, because (insert plot reasons here).  I do think that there is a lot more to him wanting to take down the veil than just restoring his people.  As you said, the time crunch he seems to be laboring under doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  He woke up and immediately started working to bring the veil down.  I'll actually be disappointed if there isn't something more happening.

Ah yes, fanfiction.  World where Solas didn't dump my Inky and they are living HEA. 

Though I'm still not letting go the hope that he has a better reason , all this make sense to me, except that I don't see why the power he took from Mythal would be only a temporary boost. I'm not saying is not, I'm just curious about where the idea come from

I think there is a definite sense of urgency here, which is why he didn't want to hang around too long when he woke up and so needed to unlock the orb straight away. If you have the right combination of attributes (elf and mage, or possibly rift mage) when you go to the Crossroads with Morrigan your PC can sense that it is breaking down. Because the Crossroads were an in-between world rather than straddling the material world/Fade as the main structures were, this might account for why it wasn't immediately destroyed by the raising of the Veil. However, it still relied on the Fade to maintain it and without its full power, it will gradually decay over time. This may be true of other places too. In Masked Empire it would seem that many of those in uthenera were in pocket planes rather than Thedas. Again they could be slowly dying through the diminished returns of mana coming from the Fade. Abelas says how each time they awake there are less of the sentinels. I don't think this is just because they have been killed in fighting. I think that could be because more and more of them are dying in uthenera through the Fade no longer being able to sustain them. Solas may well know this and so needs to act if he is going to "save" his people.

The alternative explanation for the urgency is the emergence of red lyrium on the surface. Previously it was locked away in the Deep Roads and safely contained away from anything it could grow on. Now it is out there and can take its sustenance from anything living, even the small creatures of the soil. That would seem like a growing cancer on the world. Factor in the effect it has on people and how it can be misused and you have a very big problem. May be the only way he sees to counteract this is to drown the world in magic. Effectively everyone is doomed either way but at least if he takes the action then there is some hope for the future. If he leaves the world as it is then there is none.

May it is a combination of both these reasons. In which case proving him wrong would entail showing that his people can survive without lowering the Veil, which is already possible since they just have to accept mortality and live as other races do, and then finding a cure/solution for the Blight/red lyrium, which would be a rather useful aim regardless of Solas' involvement.

I got that line about the decaying of the crossroads even though my Lavellan is a rogue. I think you just need to have the perk related to arcane knowledge. But, it alwasy seemed to me that this decay is very slow. It's been over a thousand years now and it's still standing, although Morrigan does say it will eventually cease to be. So, yes, there is urgency in preserving what remains, but it doesn't seen THAT urgent to me that a few more years could be fatal. Same for those in uthenera.

The red lyrium on the other hand is a more urgent problem, and one hell of a plot thread to drop (since we never hear about it again in Trespasser). We see how quickly it can grow in the main game, and defeated Corypheus isn't going to change what has already happened. I was surprised that nothing was said about how to take care of the problem and I hope it's not simply forgotten in DA4. Now I could definitely see Solas hurrying because of that, but at the same time I don't see how tearing down the veil would help with red lyrium.

There's no real evidence to say that the power he took from Mythal is temporary, was only spitballing ideas for why he might be in a hurry?

Could be that also he's concerned about the Blight, Red Lyrium and the Grey Wardens. He repeatedly rails against the Wardens for being reckless and short-sighted, thinking they alone can outsmart something as dangerous as the Blight and turn it into a weapon. He says with this such certainty it almost seems to suggest he's encountered it before, which would predate the Magisters Sidereal entering the Golden City.

If it originates from the Void as some have speculated (making it the madness that Andruil found there), it could be that the Ancient Elves alone hold the key to returning it back there, where it wouldn't pose a danger to anyone else?

Ah, ok, I thought it might me about some tidbit of lore I didn't know

I usually think it's more about the blight, yes, I've read some people ideas about it and it makes sense to me, considering all the things you mention 

edit: there's also the fact that it would give some consistency to the series, since DA started with the bligt, it makes sense, from a narrative point of view, if the blight is somehow central to the story still in the end. That's actually another reason why I tend to believe that the Bligth could be involved in this other apparently unrelated big plot point