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Post by midnight tea on Jan 8, 2017 6:03:30 GMT
Shhhh.......logic is dead....Blanketfort is for the insane now So business as usual, ey? After all we ARE on a thread dedicated to a guy from a game released two years ago, desperately hunting for scraps of information...
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 8, 2017 6:07:35 GMT
Well, when you're talking about the earlier renditions of Solas and Sera, that's not really a matter of dispute. When it comes to Briala, this is the only place I've ever read anyone claim that Briala is meant to be white. ... So because a relatively small part of fandom (that you're obviously spending time around and don't go out of your bubble often, it seems) has accepted a headcanon that Briala is darker than how she was actually portrayed in the game means that somehow that argument is valid? And that's despite the author of the book working directly with the game and would likely intervene if she was meant to be darker, considering that Mr. Weekes is well known for making diverse characters, be it in DA or his personal novellas that actually feature a POC elf as a main character - and he actively describes her like that. I don'r recall him doing that to Briala. All in all, this particular case (because I'm not dismissing all attempts to diversify stories in varieties of manners; in fact I applaud them if they're done skillfully) is irrelevant, just like Briala's skin color is irrelevant to her plight as a distinct-looking, oppressed minority. Anything else just seems like a rampant defense of a headcanon, or a group of fictional people you seem to have strongly associated yourself with. It's more that people address the contrast between how she's written and described in TME, and how she appears in Inquisition (sans your standard condescension you reserve for me and everyone who disagrees with you). Again, you seem to be bringing up that time that Ghost Gal and I had the audacity to not share your opinion on Inquisition, which happened a long time ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 6:07:58 GMT
It is, considering Bioware made it very clear they don't agree with you. Since they have the final say, we know who's right when it comes to translating the passages in the book. Me and anyone who agrees with me. Time to get over your butthurt and suck it up, buttercup.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 8, 2017 6:10:02 GMT
(sans your standard condescension you reserve for me and everyone who disagrees with you).
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 8, 2017 6:10:41 GMT
I had this sudden wild idea (it may have been thought of by someone before but I'm too lazy to check by reading all the posts both here and in archive). The Dalish believe that Fen'Harel could walk equally safely among both sets of gods. We know now that would not be the case with the Creators and from what Felassan says in his story in Masked Empire, the Forgotten Ones were pretty angry with him as well. However, the Dalish also teach that somehow he managed to trick both sets of gods into his trap. That seems likely to be true. Then Cole says that the wolf chewed off his leg to escape the trap. I was reviewing how the Grey Warden Sashamiri was said to have entrapped Corypheus. She apparently used the corpse of Dumat and somehow her connection with his blood to create the spell that drew Corypheus on into the prison. I was also reminded that Flemeth comments about being in the amulet that "bodies are such limiting things" and questions why we think she can't be in two places at once. So what if the bait to entrap the Evanuris (both sets of gods) was Fen'Harel himself? So he is now split between the two realities. Then when he drops the Veil, the two "selfs" will be reunited and that is how he intends to deal with the Evanuris, taking Mythal in there with him. He says he would not have you see what he becomes: the monster that is necessary to destroy the Evanuris. So even if the Inquisitor/PC were to destroy Solas in this reality, he will not actually be dead but his spirit will be freed of his mortal shell, losing any semblance of identity with this world in the process and thus the Dread Wolf (currently trapped with the other Evanuris) will rule. Thus, persuading him not to go ahead with his plan really will "redeem" Solas from this fate. I can't recall the exact source, but I believe Dalish legend said that Fen'Harel tricked both the Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones into the Fade by telling both of them that he had secured a weapon they could use against the other side. I imagine said weapon was the Blight, but I obviously can't say for sure. Either way, I don't think it was the promise of Solas himself that lured them. While the Evanuris, and apparently the Forgotten Ones, all hated Fen'Harel, that doesn't mean they didn't see the potential of allying with him against the other. The enemy of my enemy, and all that. Besides, I don't think Dalish myth is straight up wrong, just... open to interpretation. I mean, what are the main thrusts of it? The Forgotten Ones existed, but we don't know a whole lot about them. That's true. The Evanuris existed, and also ruled over the people and brought them greatness. That's also true - it just leaves out the part where they were tyrants that enslaved the People and used them for their own power. Fen'Harel was once friends with both of them - we know that's true for the Evanuris, at least, since they went around slapping portraits of him in their temples. And Dalish myth says that Fen'Harel somehow tricked the Evanuris into the Fade and then put up the Veil to keep them there - and Trespasser confirmed all of that. The only part of Dalish myth that you could argue is totally false is the "Fen'Harel laughed madly about it for years, and then went on to antagonize the Dalish for kicks." But on the whole, Dalish myth has a good track record of being correct, it's just very bad at giving the whole dark and bloody story. It reads less like fairytales that people just made up and more like propaganda that survived the years - it accentuates the Evanuris good points, erases their flaws, and demonizes their enemies, but it generally refrains from making claims that wholly untrue. As such, I think its claim that Fen'Harel was somehow friends to both sets of gods is true, but perhaps simplified and idealized. Merrill provides that version of the story (regarding Fen'Harel talking about a weapon); she also makes reference to how the Dalish don't know who started the war between the Creators and the Forgotten Ones, and acknowledged that they were cognizant that their knowledge was incomplete (which I found interesting). The stories about the Creators do bring up their flaws - the story of Elgar'nan, for example, illustrates his rage needing to be soothed by Mythal (in order to prevent the loss of all creation after he wrestled the Sun), and even Merrill's prayer to Mythal (in Act III) highlights that she can be quite deadly if not shown respect. The Creators seemed more akin to some of the classical gods, rather than the more modern version of a perfect deity.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 6:11:05 GMT
*eyebrow waggle* Come with me, Vhenan! Forget Crestwood- To the Blanketfort!
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 8, 2017 6:35:54 GMT
... So because a relatively small part of fandom (that you're obviously spending time around and don't go out of your bubble often, it seems) has accepted a headcanon that Briala is darker than how she was actually portrayed in the game means that somehow that argument is valid? And that's despite the author of the book working directly with the game and would likely intervene if she was meant to be darker, considering that Mr. Weekes is well known for making diverse characters, be it in DA or his personal novellas that actually feature a POC elf as a main character - and he actively describes her like that. I don'r recall him doing that to Briala. All in all, this particular case (because I'm not dismissing all attempts to diversify stories in varieties of manners; in fact I applaud them if they're done skillfully) is irrelevant, just like Briala's skin color is irrelevant to her plight as a distinct-looking, oppressed minority. Anything else just seems like a rampant defense of a headcanon, or a group of fictional people you seem to have strongly associated yourself with. It's more that people address the contrast between how she's written and described in TME, and how she appears in Inquisition (sans your standard condescension you reserve for me and everyone who disagrees with you). Again, you seem to be bringing up that time that Ghost Gal and I had the audacity to not share your opinion on Inquisition, which happened a long time ago. Right... it's easier to accuse someone for being condescending, rather than actually address a simple point I was making Want to talk about condescension towards someone you disagree with? Look no further than what you're doing. I refuse to be like that though, hence I'm also not involving Ghost Gal into it, despite your insistent attempts at trying to name-drop her into all this - dunno why, maybe because you're all alone over here with your claims? We've had our shares of disagreements, Ghost and I, just like we've had our shares of agreements before you joined the forums on BSN Prime - thing is that that's no different that pretty much everyone that is present today and other longstanding Blanketforters. Yet somehow most of us manage to not make it a thing - we have heated moments in this thread or others and then it's back to normal business as usual. That you can't get over that someone disagreed with you (you're the one who keeps reminiscing about past disagreements, despite the fact that I've mostly focused on issue at hand) to a point that you remember all our past discussions and apparently keep some sort of grudge against me speaks way more about you than it does about me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 6:37:56 GMT
Throwing something out to wash out some of the bad taste of the last few pages before I'm off for the night:
Spirits! Thoughts on 'Demons' who are in the Fade simply being Spirits but they are what people would consider the 'darker' aspects of emotions/ideas? Perhaps the only true demons are the ones who are pulled through the Veil, don't have enough 'them', or are twisted against their purpose so they become abominations/true demons. I mean, even what we label as love has some dark facets to it. Not everything is solely 'good'/'light', there are 'evil'/'bad' and grey sides too.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 8, 2017 6:44:24 GMT
... I can actually imagine a scenario where Solas appears in such attire during the last battle with Inquisitor. Inky: "W... Why are you wearing THIS?" Solas: "I have assumed that if I appeared dressed like this it shall make you die from laughter." Inky: "Well, you weren't wrong! *proceeds to die from laughter*" (and thus the Dread Wolf has defeated mighty Inquisitor without ever laying a finger on them!)
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 8, 2017 6:54:29 GMT
It's more that people address the contrast between how she's written and described in TME, and how she appears in Inquisition (sans your standard condescension you reserve for me and everyone who disagrees with you). Again, you seem to be bringing up that time that Ghost Gal and I had the audacity to not share your opinion on Inquisition, which happened a long time ago. Right... it's easier to accuse someone for being condescending, rather than actually address a simple point I was making Want to talk about condescension towards someone you disagree with? Look no further than what you're doing. I refuse to be like that though, hence I'm also not involving Ghost Gal into it, despite your insistent attempts at trying to name-drop her into all this - dunno why, maybe because you're all alone over here with your claims? We've had our shares of disagreements, Ghost and I, just like we've had our shares of agreements before you joined the forums on BSN Prime - thing is that that's no different that pretty much everyone that is present today and other longstanding Blanketforters. Yet somehow most of us manage to not make it a thing - we have heated moments in this thread or others and then it's back to normal business as usual. That you can't get over that someone disagreed with you (you're the one who keeps reminiscing about past disagreements, despite the fact that I've mostly focused on issue at hand) to a point that you remember all our past discussions and apparently keep some sort of grudge against me speaks way more about you than it does about me. I already addressed that the schism is between her description in TME and how she appears in Inquisition. That's pretty much the crux of it. Specifically, I brought up Ghost Gal because the disagreement you referenced before was when Ghost Gal and I disagreed with you (in the post I quoted at the top of this page). I'm not sure that alienating people from the thread who disagree with you is meant to be a positive sign, though.
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Post by Rynnju on Jan 8, 2017 7:08:12 GMT
I haven't seen Blanketfort "drama" in such a long time. I left so long ago that the last drama I remember was the group of posters that decided they didn't like Solas so much anymore and Abelas love and passive aggressive Solas art was the new name of the game.
Good times?
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 8, 2017 7:09:08 GMT
Throwing something out to wash out some of the bad taste of the last few pages before I'm off for the night: Spirits! Thoughts on 'Demons' who are in the Fade simply being Spirits but they are what people would consider the 'darker' aspects of emotions/ideas? Perhaps the only true demons are the ones who are pulled through the Veil, don't have enough 'them', or are twisted against their purpose so they become abominations/true demons. I mean, even what we label as love has some dark facets to it. Not everything is solely 'good'/'light', there are 'evil'/'bad' and grey sides too. The thing that's confusing about this for me is that in DA:O, you can very clearly run into demons in the Fade. They haven't been corrupted by being pulled through the Fade. They seem to represent mortal character flaws. But I don't think it's this simple based on what Solas says in Inquisition. I would be guessing that it's still the Veil that interferes in between mortal's dreams and the Fade, that creates the expectations for demons and thus creates demons that haven't crossed over. So, we have: Spirits that aren't demons in the Fade who become demons because of their experience coming through the Veil and Demons in the Fade because of mortals expectations and flaws, twisted through the Veil as the expectations tweak the Fade Where that leaves room for Sloth, Pride, Greed, not sure. Obviously they exist, but they seem to be perverted results of how mortals view the Fade rather than pure or mere representations of mortal flaws... Solas gets rather worked up about it, but of course he never gives us a real clear picture of spirits and how they were affected by the elves or mortals before the Veil. We can only guess at the relationship by looking at the library, where a spirit is teaching elves about magic. We can only guess that it wasn't summoned or perverted against its will... or maybe it was summoned but in a really friendly spirit way that didn't corrupt their purpose?
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Post by procutemeister on Jan 8, 2017 7:15:51 GMT
IIRC, the Fade and its inhabitants can be somewhat influenced by the thoughts and feelings of the person who is there, like a person who is expecting demons to come at them in the Fade will encounter antagonistic spirits. (I think Justice in DA:A said this, but it's been a long time, I could be wrong.)
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 8, 2017 7:23:21 GMT
IIRC, the Fade and its inhabitants can be somewhat influenced by the thoughts and feelings of the person who is there, like a person who is expecting demons to come at them in the Fade will encounter antagonistic spirits. (I think Justice in DA:A said this, but it's been a long time, I could be wrong.) Perhaps, but it seems it is only superficial influence - depending on the mood or story needs of the writers? Not to disparage them but it's a bit inconsistent so far. For example, the Fear demon we run into that's powering the demon army of Cory-pants is not influenced by us except the appearance of its minions. Solas couldn't dismiss it, for example, with happy thoughts. Or The demon we run into in DA:O, the Pride demon, has also been existing as a Pride demon without our presence or expectations - it tries to trick us that it's something else and it's been trying to trick other mage candidates. So, the demons can exist independent of any outside influence, after they've been created or come into being and thus be there waiting for you no matter what you expect. At least it seems so.
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Post by lynroy on Jan 8, 2017 7:41:46 GMT
Wow, that takes me back. I apologize for throwing fuel on that fire. I did not mean for it to get out of hand. Have a Solas screen shot.
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Post by procutemeister on Jan 8, 2017 8:02:59 GMT
Yes, of course. (I remember the Abellan art from the old forums... ) I just got the GOTY edition of DAI and I'll probably be starting Trespasser soon. Wish me luck. Also I love slayerofkillabee's art, so: link
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 8, 2017 8:08:27 GMT
Yes, of course. (I remember the Abellan art from the old forums... ) I just got the GOTY edition of DAI and I'll probably be starting Trespasser soon. Wish me luck. Also I love slayerofkillabee's art, so: link
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 8, 2017 8:26:06 GMT
...That was 'drama' ? Huh, for me this is just some minor bickering soon to be drowned in the ever-flowing current of the thread Either way, I'm off to cure headache and actually get some goddamn sleep...
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Post by sugarquill on Jan 8, 2017 8:44:57 GMT
Hi Blanketfort, I am not interested in "getting involved" and prolonging what I'm sure has been a stressful evening for all of us, but I would simply like to add this. I realize that I am a relative newcomer, and I genuinely do not want any trouble or to join the circle of dead-horse-beating. I write this with full humility. That being said, as an artist, I feel that I cannot in good faith allow my art (which reflects me) to be posted on the Blanketfort any longer after this debacle. I really hate to do this, but I've been disappointed in the way this ordeal has been handled. While some arguments have been repeated over the past several pages and I cannot know this person any better than a fellow voice on the Internet, I stand with Lob on most all points he has defended. I really don't want to make a big deal or anything, just to let people know that my creative content will no longer be posted here. I will also ask not to be included in art posts. This really does sadden me as I am truly grateful to those I've met on the Blanketfort who have been absolute delights. However, I do spend most of my time on my Tumblr, where all of my art is posted. In the event that anyone still wants to see my Dragon Age art, feel free to shoot me a personal message asking for my Tumblr URL. Again, I don't want to add fuel to the fire and I am not "whining," I simply wish to notify people. Thank you to everyone who has offered brilliant speculation and art about our favorite Fade Nerd, and support to myself and other artists.
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