The Blanketfort (crying and throwing up) - The Official Solas Thread [Spoilers]

They would be the next Fenris and Anders. 

She isn't exactly Mythal, though; she's a remnant of who she once was merged with a human. I don't disagree that, out of respect for Mythal, he might not harm her outright. However, I'd imagine that Morrigan, if romanced, would be with The Warden and their child, especially given her exchange with Asha'bellanar about the importance of being a mother to her son.

In an ideal world, Merrill (as the Dalish character who has fought so hard for Dalish and Andrastian elves alike) would receive the 'divinity' of Mythal that she passed through the Eluvian and would play a role in the elven storyline.

But that doesn't make Asha'bellanar the same as Mythal any more than Anders and Justice joining because of their mutual desire to help mages against a system they mutually felt was unjust makes them the same person.



Given that Morrigan isn't interested in "the gift", I see Merrill as an alternative who could provide us with a positive elven perspective in a story that features some inherently villainous elven characters (like the Evanuris, and arguably Fen'Harel given his plan to destroy all of known civilization). Hence, why I see it as an ideal situation, and why I would view it as a good thing.



I never said Asha'bellanar cared, I said Merrill cared. Therefore, I see Merrill gaining the 'divinity' of Mythal as a good outcome considering she would actually try and help the elven people.

On the subject of Solas' feelings towards Mythal they are certainly very mixed. Look at what he says to an Inquisitor who drank from the Well:

"You are Mythal's creature now. Everything you do, whether you know it or not, will be for her. You have given up a part of yourself."

It is why I wonder exactly what happened in the epilogue and if it is at that point that Solas surrenders a part of himself to gain the power he needs to accomplish his objectives, or whether he was speaking from experience and he knows he has always been bound in some way to the will of Mythal.

Her overarching goal, if we take Flemythal at her word, is revenge. A reckoning. The only ones Mythal would likely want revenge against are the other Evanuris.

If that's why she ultimately lent her power to Solas, then is Solas' plan guaranteed to release the Evanuris so Mythal can wreak her vengeance? Does her remnant have something to do with Solas' vague "plan" regarding the Evanuris if his plan succeeds?

We have no clue what his or Mythal's real relation to Andruil was. Also, I specifically said in a not trying to end the world scenario, not right now as things are. Though if we go by those dev notes, he's willing to pass on Mythal's godhood for her, presumably to Morrigan.

Well, we can't forget that she's not just talking 'reckoning' for herself - she actually sounded angrier when she explained that 'the world was betrayed!' as well.

Hence I'm not convinced that her revenge will be as... straightforward as some might imagine it is. 

Plus, what better revenge against a-holes who either wanted the world subjugated or done with than to ensure that it thrives?

(I can also imagine, after all is done, Flemythal just chilling on some paradise island with margarita in one hand and being all like 'ha-haaa.... now who's sitting here and having a happy retirement while you suckers are suffering in endless abyss with all your plans foiled ?')

I just wonder about that speech of Solas to an Inquisitor who drinks from the Well. It is so emphatic about the results of what they have done that it does sound like he is speaking from experience, even if only observation of others bound to the will of Mythal. Then in the epilogue he seems to take something from Flemeth, whether it is the spirit of Mythal or just a part of her power, that sort of thing usually comes at a price. The only reason why he is not being controlled by Mythal is because at the present their goals are the same.

Think back to Anders/Justice. Most of the time there seems no conflict of purpose but Justice gets really angry with Hawke if they are trying to talk Anders out of doing whatever he has planned. At the end, whilst Anders maintains it was all done of his own freewill, you do wonder how much influence Justice was exercising over him. As Solas says "everything you do, whether you know it or not" will be for the entity that you have bound yourself to.

So regardless of how it appears, Solas is no longer entirely a free agent and according to the speech he gave the Inquisitor, he is entirely aware of that fact.

Taking something from Flemeth =/= Solas is now bound to her.

I really don't understand the reasoning of people who think that because Solas took something from Flemeth at the end it means that it's 90-100% certain that he's given back part of himself or is being bound the same way the Well binds people to her and is now under her control.

First - this wasn't Well Of Sorrows (a specific artifact that holds certain powers AND has a power to bind a person to specific entity), nor we know nothing of Solas ever using Well Of Sorrows on himself. The fact that he's against it doesn't have to be based on personal experience (of that sort), but either knowledge what it does or just principle - just like him greatly disliking and opposing making mages Tranquil or the Qun is.

Second - Solas is not your regular Joe Schmoe, even in Elvenhan standards. Temporarily or not, he WAS/is one of Evanuris at one point. So he either has power or knowledge to rival and oppose them, including Mythal. And while shenanigans that led to creation of the Veil and his long sleep might have weakened him, he's still not your regular mortal, but a powerful Dreamer and possibly the only Evanuris that lives till today fairly unscathed (unlike Mythal).

Third - we see Flemeth taking something (even entire soul) from OGB Kieran and I hear not a mention of a price or possibility that Flemeth is bound to OGB now.

Fourth - even if there's a price to pay, nowhere it is said or even implied that the price is the same Inquisitor/Morrigan pays at the Well Of Sorrows. Especially that people have dug out the dev notes, and we know that - at least in initial draft, though we know nothing of that part changing - Flemeth lends Solas has power on the condition that her divinity is passed to Morrigan, and not that he's back to serve her or something.




Apples and oranges. You can't compare Justice/Anders to Solas/Mythal, or even Inquisitor/Morrigan/Mythal - plainly because what happened between Solas and Flemythal is NOT what happened with Inky/Morrigan at the Well Of Sorrows, nor what happened between Anders and Justice in any way resembles what happened in Well Of Sorrows, or in post-credit scene - we know that the merger between Anders and Justice wasn't going well, that both were vying for dominance and that Justice was single-minded about certain things, while we also know of existence of abominations that are simply not like that: Wynne or the Avvar mage from JOH comes to mind; heck, perhaps even all of the Seekers.

Obviously it's not a rule that beings how bind themselves to other entities do their bidding, knowingly or not - that one so far seems to apply ONLY to those who have gone through the rite of the Well... and you just apply it to everything for no reason other than surface similarities.



No - it does not. That's just an assumption that posits that the ONLY reason why Solas is sad about the fate of (liked) Inquisitor who drank from the Well is that he's in identical position.

But that's just fallacious - if the only reason why Solas is shown to be knowledgeable or empathetic is his personal experience, then we'd have to assume that at one point he had to be Tranquilized or spent time with the Qun, or locked in the Circle! After all, he hates those things with a passion and made observations about them that are quite correct.

....But we both know that this is a bizarre logical leap to make - hence it's bizarre to assume that just because he knows what Well Of Sorrows does means that he ever went through the rite OR that whatever Mythal does has the same effect on him, given both his knowledge and power.

Didn't mean to suggest that the Anchor was meant to be on someone's left hand (Corypheus tried to transfer it to his right, after all), but that Solas was looking at his own left hand because he was thinking of the Inquisitor at the moment.

If he'd had the Anchor from the beginning, not only could he avoid all the mess he ran into during DAI, but his plan to tear down the Veil would have been a doddle. Instead of his flawless victory, he ended up with his Anchor permanently glued to someone else, his Orb stolen and subsequently smashed, one of his Spirit friends being killed by foolish mages, being forced to "kill" another friend because he needed their power... and he potentially may have gotten his heart broken.

Can imagine he'd be a bit reflective and a bit of a big sad wolf in that moment, right before meeting the Inquisitor again.

Although I do like the idea that the Evanuris all pantomime their actions while no-one's around. Who doesn't think that Flemeth's "Well, well... what do we have here?" line during her dramatic entrances probably don't work half the time, because she emerges from her hiding spot only to find no-one's around or she's delivering it to a squirrel?

Making it my new headcanon that the Elven Gods all had the tendency to be somewhat dramatic. Makes it even more perfect to compare them to the similarly theatrical Goa'uld from Stargate, as some of us did a few pages back;



Seriously... who talks like that?

Her comments about non-Dalish Inquisitor being a 'a herald indeed, shouting to heavens' aren't exactly dismissive either. So it's not like she makes exception to praise the elf, even if she offers different dialogue for them. It's just that the Dalish Inquisitor is the only one who could even have an inkling what she might be talking about.

It's the same with...

Asha'Bellanar was just one of her many monikers - one that only the Dalish have really known.

The others knew her as Flemeth or Witch Of The Wild and yes - she is also known to answer and assist those who ask for her help, even if most were kept away by her infamy and fear of magic.

So it's a little odd to frame it as if she only answered and helped the Dalish - in fact, she seems to have as much of a mixed reputation among the Dalish as she has among other people who know her under a different name.