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Post by uirebhiril on Jun 6, 2017 23:51:36 GMT
Solas sort of made it clear at the start that he's not comfortable hanging around, but will do so until the Breach is sealed and the overall situation resolved. Being reluctant to get involved in a romance was understandable since he might one day want to leave, and wouldn't want to hurt Lavellan or have the romantic entanglements causing issues. Poor lad, he just couldn't help himself in the end... I was just thinking though, a lot of us are saying it would be crap for anyone but the Inquisitor to handle Solas, so how can they possibly give us a new protagonist. But... what if there is no dealing with Solas? Like, he's a big part of the next game by doing things or giving info, but he's not the actual bad guy and thus won't be the one we face? On the one hand, it would be a relief to not see him destroy himself or others, but on the other... no real resolution.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 7, 2017 0:31:59 GMT
Solas sort of made it clear at the start that he's not comfortable hanging around, but will do so until the Breach is sealed and the overall situation resolved. Being reluctant to get involved in a romance was understandable since he might one day want to leave, and wouldn't want to hurt Lavellan or have the romantic entanglements causing issues. Poor lad, he just couldn't help himself in the end... Well, then there are those pesky trust issue, the need to distance himself from the world he may yet destroy, the fact that this particular world is alien to him, that he is 'the other' either as an ancient being OR Fade nerd, the more than likely possibility that Inky will not survive the whole ordeal, and so on... there are quite a few issues I'd be very surprised if there'd be no dealing with Solas - just like they appear to be setting the battle (however literal or metaphorical it is) to be between Solas and Inky, they do appear to be setting Solas to act as either an antagonist or some sort of obstacle, and making quite big deal out of it (given the ending for Trespasser and us NOT dealing with Solas at the end of it). I mean, the Inquisitor can say that they have to 'save world... again' and 'finding people Solas doesn't know (in Tevinter)' - and so far there's no other context for it than whatever Solas is cooking down there. If anything, I think that the current intention of the devs is quite clear... how that vision changes when their plans become reality remains to be seen, but unlike after DA2 (which ultimately didn't really change the course of the overarching story), DA4 doesn't appear to be in any sort of jeopardy and therefore the need to re-adjust their course.
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Post by uirebhiril on Jun 7, 2017 1:17:10 GMT
Solas sort of made it clear at the start that he's not comfortable hanging around, but will do so until the Breach is sealed and the overall situation resolved. Being reluctant to get involved in a romance was understandable since he might one day want to leave, and wouldn't want to hurt Lavellan or have the romantic entanglements causing issues. Poor lad, he just couldn't help himself in the end... Well, then there are those pesky trust issue, the need to distance himself from the world he may yet destroy, the fact that this particular world is alien to him, that he is 'the other' either as an ancient being OR Fade nerd, the more than likely possibility that Inky will not survive the whole ordeal, and so on... there are quite a few issues Well, yeah, but the question was phrased as before we learned about who Solas really is. Why would this plain ol' apostate hobo be so reluctant to get involved? We only learned why after the fact. And interacting with Solas is certainly likely, but by dealing with, I mean fighting him or facing him as the final boss kind of thing. He could be setting things up as a grand master manipulator playing chess with all these pawns to prepare them to stand against something Very Bad, so we'd hit endgame and find out the real danger is not him but someone/something else entirely. That would be one way I can make sense of not playing as the Inquisitor in the next game, because the background a character has with him becomes irrelevant. I'd still want to interact with him as the Inquisitor at some point. Even if it is just a Hawke cameo, as long as we have full control.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 7, 2017 1:41:16 GMT
Well, then there are those pesky trust issue, the need to distance himself from the world he may yet destroy, the fact that this particular world is alien to him, that he is 'the other' either as an ancient being OR Fade nerd, the more than likely possibility that Inky will not survive the whole ordeal, and so on... there are quite a few issues Well, yeah, but the question was phrased as before we learned about who Solas really is. Why would this plain ol' apostate hobo be so reluctant to get involved? We only learned why after the fact. Well, aside from the whole possibility he'd need to destroy the world, all the other reasons apply even if Solas wasn't the ancient elvhen would-be god Nothing stops them from making Solas as the final boss kind of thing (for DA4 or DA5) AND grand master manipulator that sets things up and prepares his pawns to stand against something Very Bad. Especially if he indeed becomes whatever he doesn't want Lavellan to see him becoming or doesn't remember who he is, as per suggestion in one of Cole's comments. But to be honest... there are so many paths the story could take it's hard to predict where they are going to take it; some confrontation with Solas however seems imminent, even if it isn't a literal boss fight.
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Post by uirebhiril on Jun 7, 2017 1:50:04 GMT
Right, right, but unless I really parsed the question wrong, it was why did we think Solas was reluctant to start a romance with Lavellan before we learned he was Fen'harel. The romance specific scenes we get with him make him obviously uncertain about it, and we do not know why until the credits roll. So if you've just done the balcony scene for the first time, unspoiled, what was your belief on why he wanted to back away instead. That was the question I answered. It's pretty obvious why Fen'Harel might not want to do the whole romance thing, sure. As for the rest, it is speculation on how it could sensibly be a new protag when the Inquisitor has a history with Solas, and having a rando endgame him would be crap. An obvious answer is that we are not going to face and fight Solas, so that line of thought is moot. Doesn't mean it's what will happen, but we're years out, and this thread has always been good for speculation.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 7, 2017 2:27:58 GMT
Right, right, but unless I really parsed the question wrong, it was why did we think Solas was reluctant to start a romance with Lavellan before we learned he was Fen'harel. The romance specific scenes we get with him make him obviously uncertain about it, and we do not know why until the credits roll. So if you've just done the balcony scene for the first time, unspoiled, what was your belief on why he wanted to back away instead. That was the question I answered. It's pretty obvious why Fen'Harel might not want to do the whole romance thing, sure. Well, like I said, most of reasons I mentioned apply to Solas the Hobo Apostate, not just Fen'Harel - like Morrigan, he's 'the other', distancing himself from the world he either doesn't accept or understand (and that world doesn't accept or understands him back), he keeps prattling about how he doesn't trust anybody or how friends can betray you (so even if Inky doesn't know that the betrayal likely happened millenia ago, they can still guess that there must've been someone that hurt him and he's not over it) and the possibility of Inky dying somewhere along the way would likely be even more of a concern for apostate hobo who seemingly managed to control the Anchor through random chance ;P I'm more than happy to speculate, as do many folks here - that's the reason I keep hanging around the thread till today Still, the multitude of possibilities of where DA4 could go just leaves me a bit frustrated, precisely because it's so hard to guess what they're going to hit us with. Still, if we're narrowing it down to speculating about new protag and in what scenario it'd make sense - well, there are a few possibilities here to. Such as: new rando will basically get to know Solas through proxy. Inquisitor for example. I actually think it'd be interesting - what if PC gets to know how Solas was through what Inquisitor thinks of Solas? Then they'd make a conclusion about Fen'Harel according to Inky's relationship with them? I realize this is probably too complicated to pull out, but maaaaybe not impossible? Plus, such thing would fit the whole idea that the world of Thedas is experienced very subjectively, at least on a level of PC's in-game experience and viewpoint. Maybe we'd regain control over Inky while they're reminiscing about the past or what they have to say about their former comrade, and that later will shape choices we'd be presented while we switch to new PC? But yeah, anyhow - any scenario that makes sense in my book, involves Inquisitor's involvement in one way or another.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 7, 2017 19:34:30 GMT
It is a while back now but from what I remember I thought the reason for his reluctance was that once we'd dealt with Corypheus he was planning on heading off out into the wilds again. I seem to recall he mentions how he is not confident that everything won't go back to the old status quo once it is over and he is an apostate when all is said and done.
Plus he tells us in the beginning that his encounters with the Dalish up to now have not been very positive, so he probably feels he won't be welcome in clan Lavellan either, even if he admits that they seem rather more enlightened than those he has met before. In the balcony scene, when he is specifically asking about the affect the anchor has had on you, he says that he is impressed with you and that it has made him question if he has misjudged the Dalish, it is clear he seems to be struggling with his own prejudices. So I could put his reluctance down to him feeling that he doesn't want to burden me with his presence when it might impact badly on my relationship with my own family.
To be honest I always felt there was probably something tragic in his past and that is what chiefly lay behind his reluctance to get involved romantically. As it turned out, that was perfectly true, if not quite the tragedy I had in mind.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 8, 2017 4:38:20 GMT
Before the Fen'harel reveal, why did you think Solas kept pushing Lavellan away? At first, I honed in on his reaction to the fade!Haven kiss scene where he says "It isn't right, not even here." and, while it seemed unlikely from what I knew of his character at the time, I thought perhaps he was involved with someone else already. Even crossed my mind it was a spirit, possibly. I eventually dismissed that when I saw the breakup scene cus it just didn't make sense as a reason for his hesitation anymore, especially given his response to the "Whatever you need, Solas, we can find together." dialogue choice. I was already thinking by that point, cus of the Temple of Mythal, that he was perhaps an ancient elf (and even a follower of Fen'Harel) so I strongly suspected that "I'm secretly an ancient elf, but I must hide it." was his hang up by then. Turned out, I was sorta right, at least. lol
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Post by Moondreamer on Jun 8, 2017 12:37:14 GMT
*Waves shyly" It's been forever since I visited this haven, and I kinda missed it. I admit though that I just need to take a break sometimes, or all the spculation makes me wish the future was there already so I could put my greedy little hands on DA4. Speaking of, I just realized E3 was this weekend and EA has a simultaneous event as in years past. What's your thought about getting a first tidbit of DA4, same as we got a first clue about andromeda once upon a time. Yay? Nay?
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Post by Moondreamer on Jun 8, 2017 12:45:11 GMT
A couple people I know on another forum (me and one other person ) are trying to will a teaser trailer into existence this weekend. My fingers are crossed. Other folks seem to think "Project Dylan" will get press before DA4 though. Is that their new IP? I haven't kept in the loop about it. and if it's anything like our first look at Andromeda, we'll get a super uninformative 30 second trailer But even that would make me really really happy at this point. The wait has been killing me for the last 2+ year (urgh, is Inquisition almost 3 years old already?)
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 8, 2017 12:46:01 GMT
*Waves shyly" It's been forever since I visited this haven, and I kinda missed it. I admit though that I just need to take a break sometimes, or all the spculation makes me wish the future was there already so I could put my greedy little hands on DA4. Speaking of, I just realized E3 was this weekend and EA has a simultaneous event as in years past. What's your thought about getting a first tidbit of DA4, same as we got a first clue about andromeda once upon a time. Yay? Nay? I'd say nay - if there are going to be reveals (aside from potential MEA DLC) it'll most likely be Bioware's new IP. Plus, either Mike Laidlaw or Mark Darrah has recently tweeted that while Bioware will have its presence on E3, neither Mike nor Mark will be there and we should form our conclusions based on that.
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Post by Moondreamer on Jun 8, 2017 12:46:52 GMT
*Waves shyly" It's been forever since I visited this haven, and I kinda missed it. I admit though that I just need to take a break sometimes, or all the spculation makes me wish the future was there already so I could put my greedy little hands on DA4. Speaking of, I just realized E3 was this weekend and EA has a simultaneous event as in years past. What's your thought about getting a first tidbit of DA4, same as we got a first clue about andromeda once upon a time. Yay? Nay? I'd say nay - if there are going to be reveals (aside from potential MEA DLC) it'll most likely be Bioware's new IP. Plus, either Mike Laidlaw or Mark Darrah has recently tweeted that while Bioware wull have its presence on E3, neither Mike nor Mark will be there and we should form our conclusions based on that. Well, that's disappointing
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 8, 2017 13:28:35 GMT
Is that their new IP? I haven't kept in the loop about it. and if it's anything like our first look at Andromeda, we'll get a super uninformative 30 second trailer But even that would make me really really happy at this point. The wait has been killing me for the last 2+ year (urgh, is Inquisition almost 3 years old already?) "Dylan" has evidently been "delayed," so I hope they have decide to develop Dragon Age first. In case you are interested, here is an article about Dylan's delay: www.gamespot.com/articles/mass-effect-dragon-age-devs-new-ip-delayed/1100-6449915/We don't know how much it's been delayed - all we know is that it's going to be 'delayed' past 2018 fiscal year's end. It ends with March'18, which is when new IP was supposed to be released. So it could've been delayed just for a few months or more. I'd say that the answer depends more on just how many MEA devs have been transferred to work on DA4. All we know that a few weeks ago they went on a hiring spree and all signs on heaven and earth point to DA team growing and the project chugging along.
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Post by Moondreamer on Jun 8, 2017 13:54:59 GMT
We don't know how much it's been delayed - all we know is that it's going to be 'delayed' past 2018 fiscal year's end. It ends with March'18, which is when new IP was supposed to be released. So it could've been delayed just for a few months or more. I'd say that the answer depends more on just how many MEA devs have been transferred to work on DA4. All we know that a few weeks ago they went on a hiring spree and all signs on heaven and earth point to DA team growing and the project chugging along. I follow Patrick on twitter and there's definitely been good signs that they're deep into the writing pit. I just wish we could get a few nuggets on information about it. It's been so long it seems like.
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Post by ninjanightngale on Jun 8, 2017 18:13:31 GMT
So is this thread the one where I cry because I was an idiot and ran a Solavellan playthrough? I loved the lore--the elves are my favorite--but this one kind of stung.
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Post by ninjanightngale on Jun 8, 2017 18:17:41 GMT
Before the Fen'harel reveal, why did you think Solas kept pushing Lavellan away? At first, I honed in on his reaction to the fade!Haven kiss scene where he says "It isn't right, not even here." and, while it seemed unlikely from what I knew of his character at the time, I thought perhaps he was involved with someone else already. Even crossed my mind it was a spirit, possibly. I eventually dismissed that when I saw the breakup scene cus it just didn't make sense as a reason for his hesitation anymore, especially given his response to the "Whatever you need, Solas, we can find together." dialogue choice. I was already thinking by that point, cus of the Temple of Mythal, that he was perhaps an ancient elf (and even a follower of Fen'Harel) so I strongly suspected that "I'm secretly an ancient elf, but I must hide it." was his hang up by then. Turned out, I was sorta right, at least. lol I guess I just thought that it was all duty related when he said 'it isn't right,' being the Inquisitor and all. Then again, I'm always 'who cares? FEELS.' Well, that's what I get for going with the feels
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 8, 2017 18:23:59 GMT
So is this thread the one where I cry because I was an idiot and ran a Solavellan playthrough? I loved the lore--the elves are my favorite--but this one kind of stung. We are all here healing our collective trauma
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Post by ninjanightngale on Jun 8, 2017 18:40:21 GMT
So is this thread the one where I cry because I was an idiot and ran a Solavellan playthrough? I loved the lore--the elves are my favorite--but this one kind of stung. We are all here healing our collective trauma Thank God, because I seriously need a hug and my husband just DOESNT GET IT
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jun 8, 2017 18:54:44 GMT
From what I read on his Twitter he has been in the office on and off since after Trespasser. They have certainly been up to something. I follow quite a few of the DA team members on Twitter and I certainly believe they are working on it. However, I doubt they'll get the green light to announce it publically any time soon. Maybe at E3 2018 they'll be able to tell us what they're up to. ☺
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 8, 2017 19:13:16 GMT
You know when Solas was showing reluctance with the relationship I always had in the back of my mind that possibly he would have to sacrifice himself in the end in order to close the Breach and that was the pain he wanted to spare me. So when he broke up with me, I thought I was on the right track because he said how he didn't want to distract me from the job at hand and he had been talking as though he was leaving, even though he also promised that all would be made clear after it was over. Of course if he had sacrificed himself that would have made sense. I had this sort of vision of him walking into the Fade and then closing the Breach from the other side.
Now the odd thing is that this could still happen. In a way he is sacrificing himself to bring about the world he wants for his people and he has talked about taking the path of death, so in the end Solas shutting himself in the Fade could happen but not necessarily to restore the world of the elves.
I just keep remembering Mordin Solus who was so adamant that the action he had taken with the genophage had been the right one in ME2 and yet by ME3 had come to see the whole thing differently, provided of course that Shepard had acted in a particular way, so he was prepared to sacrifice himself to put things right. His whole storyline was really emotional for me and you couldn't even be in a romance with him.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 8, 2017 19:15:41 GMT
From what I read on his Twitter he has been in the office on and off since after Trespasser. They have certainly been up to something. I follow quite a few of the DA team members on Twitter and I certainly believe they are working on it. However, I doubt they'll get the green light to announce it publically any time soon. Maybe at E3 2018 they'll be able to tell us what they're up to. ☺ Oh gawd, I hope that prior to 2018 E3 we'll get so much more than a few hints and a short comic series T_T
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Post by ninjanightngale on Jun 8, 2017 22:08:16 GMT
I am nursing my wounds by reading fanfic in which Solavellan remains a thing #sad #hopelessromantic #thisiswhathappenswhenthefamilyleavesmealone
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 8, 2017 22:35:48 GMT
At first, I honed in on his reaction to the fade!Haven kiss scene where he says "It isn't right, not even here." and, while it seemed unlikely from what I knew of his character at the time, I thought perhaps he was involved with someone else already. Even crossed my mind it was a spirit, possibly. I eventually dismissed that when I saw the breakup scene cus it just didn't make sense as a reason for his hesitation anymore, especially given his response to the "Whatever you need, Solas, we can find together." dialogue choice. I was already thinking by that point, cus of the Temple of Mythal, that he was perhaps an ancient elf (and even a follower of Fen'Harel) so I strongly suspected that "I'm secretly an ancient elf, but I must hide it." was his hang up by then. Turned out, I was sorta right, at least. lol I guess I just thought that it was all duty related when he said 'it isn't right,' being the Inquisitor and all. Then again, I'm always 'who cares? FEELS.' Well, that's what I get for going with the feels I can see how you might have gotten that impression. I can't really articulate why my assumption was that he might already be in a relationship and that was why it was wrong, instead of it being something else. I suppose maybe it was b/c we still knew so little about his (supposed) past? Or maybe it was b/c it was clear to me that Lavellan was the one initiating it and Solas seemed to be holding himself back, while still obviously being into her once he let himself give in? His manner (and his, ahem, enthusiasm) struck me as something out of a romance story. Like, the kind where a character attempts to deny passions b/c they have stumbling blocks (like social station) or prior obligations (like being betrothed or whatever), but they've found themselves undeniably drawn to this new person and they just can't help themselves. ....I read a lot into that scene. lol But yeah, you and I both assumed that it all meant he had *something* holding him back. My guess was just a little more tropey. lol You know when Solas was showing reluctance with the relationship I always had in the back of my mind that possibly he would have to sacrifice himself in the end in order to close the Breach and that was the pain he wanted to spare me. So when he broke up with me, I thought I was on the right track because he said how he didn't want to distract me from the job at hand and he had been talking as though he was leaving, even though he also promised that all would be made clear after it was over. Of course if he had sacrificed himself that would have made sense. I had this sort of vision of him walking into the Fade and then closing the Breach from the other side. Now the odd thing is that this could still happen. In a way he is sacrificing himself to bring about the world he wants for his people and he has talked about taking the path of death, so in the end Solas shutting himself in the Fade could happen but not necessarily to restore the world of the elves. I just keep remembering Mordin Solus who was so adamant that the action he had taken with the genophage had been the right one in ME2 and yet by ME3 had come to see the whole thing differently, provided of course that Shepard had acted in a particular way, so he was prepared to sacrifice himself to put things right. His whole storyline was really emotional for me and you couldn't even be in a romance with him. I really hope you're wrong (or at least that you are right but it isn't that ONLY way things can go where Solas has changed his mind), but still a good post and an interesting thought. I think I personally just never got the vibe of him looking forward with trepidation. It always seemed to me that his hang up had to do with some current circumstance he wasn't telling me about or, after the breakup scene, some personal demon. But I can see where you could have gotten your idea, too.
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Post by ninjanightngale on Jun 8, 2017 22:50:32 GMT
I guess I just thought that it was all duty related when he said 'it isn't right,' being the Inquisitor and all. Then again, I'm always 'who cares? FEELS.' Well, that's what I get for going with the feels I can see how you might have gotten that impression. I can't really articulate why my assumption was that he might already be in a relationship and that was why it was wrong, instead of it being something else. I suppose maybe it was b/c we still knew so little about his (supposed) past? Or maybe it was b/c it was clear to me that Lavellan was the one initiating it and Solas seemed to be holding himself back, while still obviously being into her once he let himself give in? His manner (and his, ahem, enthusiasm) struck me as something out of a romance story. Like, the kind where a character attempts to deny passions b/c they have stumbling blocks (like social station) or prior obligations (like being betrothed or whatever), but they've found themselves undeniably drawn to this new person and they just can't help themselves. ....I read a lot into that scene. lol But yeah, you and I both assumed that it all meant he had *something* holding him back. My guess was just a little more tropey. lol You know when Solas was showing reluctance with the relationship I always had in the back of my mind that possibly he would have to sacrifice himself in the end in order to close the Breach and that was the pain he wanted to spare me. So when he broke up with me, I thought I was on the right track because he said how he didn't want to distract me from the job at hand and he had been talking as though he was leaving, even though he also promised that all would be made clear after it was over. Of course if he had sacrificed himself that would have made sense. I had this sort of vision of him walking into the Fade and then closing the Breach from the other side. Now the odd thing is that this could still happen. In a way he is sacrificing himself to bring about the world he wants for his people and he has talked about taking the path of death, so in the end Solas shutting himself in the Fade could happen but not necessarily to restore the world of the elves. I just keep remembering Mordin Solus who was so adamant that the action he had taken with the genophage had been the right one in ME2 and yet by ME3 had come to see the whole thing differently, provided of course that Shepard had acted in a particular way, so he was prepared to sacrifice himself to put things right. His whole storyline was really emotional for me and you couldn't even be in a romance with him. I really hope you're wrong (or at least that you are right but it isn't that ONLY way things can go where Solas has changed his mind), but still a good post and an interesting thought. I think I personally just never got the vibe of him looking forward with trepidation. It always seemed to me that his hang up had to do with some current circumstance he wasn't telling me about or, after the breakup scene, some personal demon. But I can see where you could have gotten your idea, too. Social station was exactly what I was thinking. Honestly, had I known how he would end the relationship, I probably would have just gone ahead and romanced Cullen--he's nice, sweet, and SAFE. Then again, I'd have missed all the sweet lore that came with this story arc. I do hope that BioWare at least gives some good closure for this, because it's obvious this story isn't over yet.
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Post by Theneras on Jun 8, 2017 23:31:15 GMT
I am nursing my wounds by reading fanfic in which Solavellan remains a thing #sad #hopelessromantic #thisiswhathappenswhenthefamilyleavesmealone The Fan Fic muse welcomes you. The blood sacrifice of your broken heart will fuel many chapters. Your tears will be not be forgotten.
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