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Post by dayze on Sept 23, 2022 19:47:23 GMT
So thinking about Hybris and its connection the a sword used by Shartan, factoring in Shartan's similarity to Solas.....could Hybris be a splinter of Solas or the Dread Wolf?
Considering the sword basically was "the sword of faith", wonder about the connection between Spirits of Faith and Pride.
Though I remember Solas mentioning something at some point about a young elf that wondered into something far beyond him, perhaps the similarity is Solas and Shartan channeled the Dread Wolf and it was expressed differently in each of them.
I'm not surprised the Dalish don't help city elves, they either look at it as something they allow to be done to them.....after all the city elves could just move into the woods with them I suppose and avoid that specific aspect of trouble, didn't Solas claim to be from a village, presumably a village in the woods? Which I suppose adds a third category to the elvian peoples, City Elves, Dalish and Village Elves.
I mean if they do help the city elves, now they have just that more city people in general opposing them after they assimilate into the city culture as a whole.
Or perhaps they start being more open to them and city elves move in with them and vice-a-versa, city elves assimilate the odd immigrant from the Dalish and the Dalish start taking in the culture of the city....how long would it take until for all intents and purposes the Dalish no longer exist and they are just city elves living in the woods? A few generations....maybe less? Considering how big they are on at least trying to preserve their culture, that would go against everything they've tried to achieve in the last couple millenia and bring about their own genocide that so many others have worked at. The irony of peace/victory being their defeat I suppose.
That and people focusing their hatred on city elves could work as a distraction from them focusing on Dalish.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 24, 2022 8:34:36 GMT
I'm not surprised the Dalish don't help city elves, they either look at it as something they allow to be done to them.....after all the city elves could just move into the woods In DAO this is how it worked. The Dalish do not have sufficient numbers to go on the offensive against the humans in the cities. Briala was always unreasonable to expect this of them and Felassan, if he was at all honest about it, could have confirmed this. In DAO it seems widely known among the city elves that the Dalish are an option. However, it is not an easy life. Zevran tried it and preferred to return to his "gilded cage" with the Crows. The Dalish in DAO only regarded the city elves to be lost to them if they choose to remain in the cities because they had accepted subjugation over freedom, so in their eyes were not true elves. Hence: "we are the last of the elvhen and never again will we submit." The fact that the gods they worship had actually enslaved them in the past may be considered supremely ironic but not stupid on their part because they don't remember this. The aspects of the gods they do remember are in fact beneficial to keeping them alive, as Strife acknowledges in Tevinter Nights. I mean if they do help the city elves, now they have just that more city people in general opposing them after they assimilate into the city culture as a whole. An important aspect of the Dalish is their belief that they need to preserve their own culture as distinctive from the other races around them. I often wonder what would ultimately happen with Lavellan's clan if you do the War Table mission right and then end up on the city council of Wycombe. Would they gradually become just part of the human culture, albeit with more respect shown than previously, or would they help maintain a distinctive elven culture alongside that of the humans? Back in DAO the lore keeper of the Sabrae clan suggested that if they ever had a homeland once again, the city elves might be able to teach the Dalish how to co-exist with their humans neighbours. Given how badly the city elves tended to be treated in human cities, I think this might have been a tad optimistic, since what wisdom were the city elves going to impart? Nevertheless, it might point to Lavellan's clan being successful in co-existing by learning from the city elves, without losing their distinctive elven identity and culture. didn't Solas claim to be from a village, presumably a village in the woods? Wherever he claimed to be from, Leliana said it hadn't been occupied in years (possibly centuries). So, it is hard to know whether he was telling the truth or not. Did he just throw out some random name of a village, knowing that there was no one there who could contradict him, and having a suitable story ready should Leliana have bothered with checking him out sooner? Or was that actually a village in ancient times, so was where he originated, even if subsequently another settlement had grown up to replace the original elven one? We know that Tevinter built a lot of its cities on the top of elven ruins, so why not other settlements as well? Solas' main objection to the Dalish was twofold. Firstly, their devotion to his former enemies and secondly, their refusal to listen to him when he tried to impart his wisdom to them. In typical Solas fashion he didn't stop to consider how his presumption might have impacted on the Dalish considering he was trying to pass himself off as a simple elven apostate, in other words a city elf. On the whole there aren't a lot of village elves that aren't in some way under the auspices of the humans, so in that respect they would be little different from the city elves in terms of culture, including following the religion of the Orlesian Chantry. It was human missionaries trying to convert them from their faith in the elven gods that the Dalish specifically objected to back in the time of the Dales. Ameridan seemed to demonstrate that some Dalish had no problem in following both faiths but this was in the early days of the Chantry when Drakon clearly felt it expedient not to take a hard line with the elves in order to keep them on side, unlike his fellow humans where he wiped out all alteranative versions of the Andrastrian faith. However, by the time of the Exalted March on the Dales, despite what Cassandra maintains, the Chantry was adamant there was only one god, the Maker, any other gods were false and their adherents demon worshipers. That attitude continued into the Dragon Age. So, Solas rolling up and criticising their worship of the elven gods would simply have been seen by them as an attack by a city elf that had been indoctrinated by the Chantry. Furthermore, when asked for the source of his wisdom, Solas' go to response was that he "saw it in the Fade", through talking "with spirits". The Dalish are said to have an aversion for and prohibition on any magic involving spirits, probably because it did increase the risk of possession. So, saying the source of his wisdom was listening to spirits was never going to go down well with the Dalish and was likely the reason they chased him out of their camp. Solas, though, is so set in his own mind that he is in the right, that he could never admit to himself that the Dalish attitude was anything other than a rejection of him personally, with no appreciation of the mitigating reasons for why they don't instantly accept his assertions.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 24, 2022 9:05:47 GMT
So thinking about Hybris and its connection the a sword used by Shartan, factoring in Shartan's similarity to Solas.....could Hybris be a splinter of Solas or the Dread Wolf? Considering the sword basically was "the sword of faith", wonder about the connection between Spirits of Faith and Pride. It is not clear how Hubris came by Glandivalis. Shartan is said to have tried to rescue Andraste and been killed in the attempt, so presumably his sword would have been taken by someone in Tevinter. It is possible that later the sword was something they gave to Hubris as payment for a service that he performed for them. It is true that the meaning of Glandivalis would seem to be "blade of the faith" or possibly "blade of the believer", which is curious as it is an elven name and according to the version of the story in the Canticle of Shartan (which comes from Dalish oral tradition), the sword already had that name when Andraste gave it to Shartan and it had originally belonged to her mother. Her mother was Ciriane and likely from the the southern part of what became Orlais, including what was later gifted to the elves as the Dales. Did Andraaste know the sword was elven and that the elves had a prior claim on that land; hence promising it to Shartan? I would also point out that, again according to the Canticle of Shartan, when she gifted Glandivalis to Shartan, she did so with the words: "Take this my Champion and free our people forever". So, to my mind if the sword is a "blade of faith" it is the belief in freedom rather than simply the Maker. The Dalish belief that they will "never again submit" to anyone is in keeping with that task she assigned to Shartan and, by extension, his followers. When they fought against Orlais, it would have been perfectly in keeping with that injunction to preserve freedom in the face of tyranny, particularly as the Dalish regarded the empire of Orlais as "no better than Tevinter" against whom they had united with Andraste. It is also worth noting that Drakon claimed to have had a vision from the Maker in which Andraste named him "Blade of the Faith", which seemed to directly contradict her words in the Canticle of Shartan, when it was he who would be the Champion of Freedom for all time, wielding Glandivalis, the Blade of the Faith. As for any connection between Pride demons and Spirits of Faith, we only have Solas' word for the fact that Pride demons are just the result of a perversion of a good spirit. In any case, the implication was that Pride is simply the mirror of Wisdom and Desire the mirror of Purpose. If this is the case then presumably Despair demons are the opposite of Hope, the latter being the most powerful of benign spirits but extremely rare. As for the mirror of Faith, I suppose this would be Unbelief, Betrayal, Disloyalty, though none of these really seem to encapsulate the complete antithesis of Faith/Belief. If you were to ask one of the Evanuris, I dare say they would answer that the opposite of Faith is Fen'Harel. Considering that his alter ego is Solas/Pride, there is something to your idea of a connection between the spirits of Faith and Pride. Nevertheless, what Fen'Harel was particularly known for was his "dark wisdom", which would confirm the connection that Solas makes between Pride and Wisdom
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 24, 2022 13:57:21 GMT
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 24, 2022 15:02:58 GMT
Demons can be the corruption of more than one type of spirit, according to the writers. David Gaider stated that Faith also can corrupt into Pride To be honest, I think it is just a case of any spirit being corrupted into a demon. After all, what about those spirits that were twisted by being pulled through the breach? Faith can be corrupted by so many things that the resulting demon must surely depend on what caused the faith to fail. Then there is the perversion of faith that causes people to do terrible things to people who do not share it. I would imagine that when Drakon rode in a massacred those Andrastrians who did not share his version of the faith, there would have been a lot of demons of fear and despair created. On the other hand, those who remained steadfast in their beliefs to the end, might have inspired the creation of a powerful spirit of faith as a result. It would also be interesting to know exactly what the nature of spirits was before the creation of the Veil, when they could freely interact with the Waking World and so did not depend on the emotions of people beyond the Veil to experience life there. The few insights we get from Trespasser suggest that some of them at least still had similar attributes, for example the spirit of Wisdom that was instructing the elves in magic, but clearly there were others that were completely different, like the Lady of the Forest that we encounter in DAO.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 7, 2022 2:23:41 GMT
Funny how there are always little moments you don't notice, no matter how many times you watch something.
Today I did the WEWH quest and when Briala first met the Inquisitor, she said: "Inquisitor Lavellan. Slumming in the servants' quarters with the rest of your people, for once?". It is a rarely addressed point and I really appreciated it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 7, 2022 8:37:50 GMT
"Inquisitor Lavellan. Slumming in the servants' quarters with the rest of your people, for once?". It is a rarely addressed point and I really appreciated it. I never picked up on that, so good spot. I always thought it a bit much that Solas is only ever given the title of servant when introduced, but then wears that outlandish hat. It amused me to think how it must have scandalised the Orlesians when the pair of elves took to the dancefloor at the end (or did we only ever stay on the balcony?)
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Post by Iddy on Oct 7, 2022 12:24:20 GMT
"Inquisitor Lavellan. Slumming in the servants' quarters with the rest of your people, for once?". It is a rarely addressed point and I really appreciated it. I never picked up on that, so good spot. I always thought it a bit much that Solas is only ever given the title of servant when introduced, but then wears that outlandish hat. It amused me to think how it must have scandalised the Orlesians when the pair of elves took to the dancefloor at the end (or did we only ever stay on the balcony?) I'm more curious about his intention. Did he mean to taunt them or did he just want to look nice for the fancy party? As for the dance, I don't rightly remember it, but I believe that whenever the cutscene doesn't actually show the Inquisitor dancing, it is implied that they left to the ballroom.
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Post by Elessara on Oct 7, 2022 16:51:27 GMT
I never picked up on that, so good spot. I always thought it a bit much that Solas is only ever given the title of servant when introduced, but then wears that outlandish hat. It amused me to think how it must have scandalised the Orlesians when the pair of elves took to the dancefloor at the end (or did we only ever stay on the balcony?) I'm more curious about his intention. Did he mean to taunt them or did he just want to look nice for the fancy party? As for the dance, I don't rightly remember it, but I believe that whenever the cutscene doesn't actually show the Inquisitor dancing, it is implied that they left to the ballroom. I always have head slot items turned off so I'm not sure what hat you're talking about. However, you dance on the balcony and it does show the Inquisitor and Solas dancing. It never shows the couple heading to the ballroom though, just dancing on the balcony.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 7, 2022 17:54:10 GMT
I'm more curious about his intention. Did he mean to taunt them or did he just want to look nice for the fancy party? I think he was mocking the Orlesians in his own subtle way. No one else from our group had headwear, even Vivienne, but there is Solas, the servant, in his weird headgear that makes him stand out from the rest. Look at him in the second shot, slouching against a piece of the furniture, which is very much not how a servant would behave. So, I think he is definitely making a point because the Orlesians are famous for their fashion and, additionally, probably thinks it will annoy the hell out of Vivienne, as she just loves her headgear. I always have head slot items turned off so I'm not sure what hat you're talking about. Just for your appreciation: The first is the one from the game and I think the second one is a mod, although his head is tilted back so it is hard to tell.
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Post by Solas on Oct 10, 2022 22:38:11 GMT
new Dread Wolf t-shirt in the BioWare Gear Store: gear.bioware.com/products/dragon-age-dread-wolf-opa" THE DREAD WOLF RETURNSUnder the haunting cascade of a full moon, tucked away deep in the depths of darkness, he shall rise again. This OPA T-shirt reimagines the transformation of Solas through the lore of the werewolf. Made with 100% cotton jersey, this T-shirt features the brilliant print of a full moon in an eerie blue hue, with the silhouettes of Solas and the Dread Wolf. Balls of fire are added to the print, serving as an ominous reminder of the forthcoming fiery arrival. The OPA T-shirt is super soft to the touch and comes with a stretchy fabric that’ll offer the perfect fit for your casual outfits. Layer it with our printed hoodie or wear it solo and show off your inner dread wolf to the unsuspecting world around you."
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Post by xerrai on Oct 11, 2022 2:40:01 GMT
I'm more curious about his intention. Did he mean to taunt them or did he just want to look nice for the fancy party? I think he was mocking the Orlesians in his own subtle way. No one else from our group had headwear, even Vivienne, but there is Solas, the servant, in his weird headgear that makes him stand out from the rest. Look at him in the second shot, slouching against a piece of the furniture, which is very much not how a servant would behave. So, I think he is definitely making a point because the Orlesians are famous for their fashion and, additionally, probably thinks it will annoy the hell out of Vivienne, as she just loves her headgear. There also be a historic jib with it as well, if the comparison to the Helm of the Drasca was intentional. Which, on the one hand I think I am overthinking his choice in head gear but on the other hand...can you imagine a better helm for Solas than wearing a helmet that is (possibly) associated with a rebellion against Orlesian rule?
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Post by dayze on Oct 11, 2022 2:48:32 GMT
new Dread Wolf t-shirt in the BioWare Gear Store: gear.bioware.com/products/dragon-age-dread-wolf-opa" THE DREAD WOLF RETURNSUnder the haunting cascade of a full moon, tucked away deep in the depths of darkness, he shall rise again. This OPA T-shirt reimagines the transformation of Solas through the lore of the werewolf. Made with 100% cotton jersey, this T-shirt features the brilliant print of a full moon in an eerie blue hue, with the silhouettes of Solas and the Dread Wolf. Balls of fire are added to the print, serving as an ominous reminder of the forthcoming fiery arrival. The OPA T-shirt is super soft to the touch and comes with a stretchy fabric that’ll offer the perfect fit for your casual outfits. Layer it with our printed hoodie or wear it solo and show off your inner dread wolf to the unsuspecting world around you." Interesting; Solas "reimagined" through the lore of the werewolf?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 11, 2022 5:38:16 GMT
new Dread Wolf t-shirt in the BioWare Gear Store: gear.bioware.com/products/dragon-age-dread-wolf-opa" THE DREAD WOLF RETURNSUnder the haunting cascade of a full moon, tucked away deep in the depths of darkness, he shall rise again. This OPA T-shirt reimagines the transformation of Solas through the lore of the werewolf. Made with 100% cotton jersey, this T-shirt features the brilliant print of a full moon in an eerie blue hue, with the silhouettes of Solas and the Dread Wolf. Balls of fire are added to the print, serving as an ominous reminder of the forthcoming fiery arrival. The OPA T-shirt is super soft to the touch and comes with a stretchy fabric that’ll offer the perfect fit for your casual outfits. Layer it with our printed hoodie or wear it solo and show off your inner dread wolf to the unsuspecting world around you." Interesting; Solas "reimagined" through the lore of the werewolf? Pretty sure that’s just marketing speak since this shirt is coming out around Halloween.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 11, 2022 9:16:41 GMT
There also be a historic jib with it as well, if the comparison to the Helm of the Drasca was intentional. Which, on the one hand I think I am overthinking his choice in head gear but on the other hand...can you imagine a better helm for Solas than wearing a helmet that is (possibly) associated with a rebellion against Orlesian rule? Not just Orlesian rule but prior to that the ancient Tevinter Imperium as well, so really is the symbolic headgear of rebels against empires. Did the designers have this in mind when giving this headgear to Solas? Quite possibly because in that light he is making a political statement, particularly as he has been given the label of servant or rather it is likely that he took that title for himself so as to align himself with the underclass of Orlais rather than the oppressive nobles and organisations that keep them there. It would definitely be in character for him to do this even in his persona of simple apostate, let alone as the Dread Wolf.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 11, 2022 9:31:06 GMT
Interesting; Solas "reimagined" through the lore of the werewolf? Pretty sure that’s just marketing speak since this shirt is coming out around Halloween. It could be simply the Halloween theme but there is extensive lore concerning werewolves in Ferelden that isn't all negative. After all, their great hero, Hafter, was the son of a werewolf and then there was Dane who was required to spend time as a wolf in recompense from killing the white stag. I think the more negative associations seemed to begin around the time that the Chantry influence was spreading and replacing the old animist religion. Since the Alamarri also seem to have a connection in their folk tales and songs to the rebellion of Fen'Harel, the Emerald Knights adopted a practice of wolf guardians, and the south is full of statues that are likely of the Dread Wolf even if not attributed to him, the werewolf could originally have been some residual memory of Fen'Harel. After all, his alter ego in the Fade is a giant demon wolf.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 11, 2022 9:39:29 GMT
Balls of fire are added to the print, serving as an ominous reminder of the forthcoming fiery arrival. This is the bit that caught my eye in this. It hints at a fiery arrival by the Dread Wolf. I thought the fires of chaos would only occur if we failed to stop him, so what does this mean?
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Post by dayze on Oct 11, 2022 18:16:22 GMT
Interesting; Solas "reimagined" through the lore of the werewolf? Pretty sure that’s just marketing speak since this shirt is coming out around Halloween. It could be simply the Halloween theme but there is extensive lore concerning werewolves in Ferelden that isn't all negative. After all, their great hero, Hafter, was the son of a werewolf and then there was Dane who was required to spend time as a wolf in recompense from killing the white stage. I think the more negative associations seemed to begin around the time that the Chantry influence was spreading and replacing the old animist religion. Since the Alamarri also seem to have a connection in their folk tales and songs to the rebellion of Fen'Harel, the Emerald Knights adopted a practice of wolf guardians, and the south is full of statues that are likely of the Dread Wolf even if not attributed to him, the werewolf could originally have been some residual memory of Fen'Harel. After all, his alter ego in the Fade is a giant demon wolf. Interesting how the treatment of Were-Wolves and mages kind of intertwine. If I remember right there is something in the codex about someone returning to the woods to seek out the wolves again for protection and be chastised for having gone to the mabari instead of staying with the original wolves. Wolves could be some kind of reference to Were-Wolves and not just literally wolves here. Balls of Fire:The balls of fire like that really make me think that Solas bringing down the sun might be some kind of consistent meteor attack. It would also make sense for how it could be something to be relented from.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 11, 2022 20:18:12 GMT
Balls of Fire:The balls of fire like that really make me think that Solas bringing down the sun might be some kind of consistent meteor attack. I remembered subsequent to my post that a form of meteor attack is one of his specialist spells in DAI as a Rift Mage and is associated with the Breach, so presumably the fire raining down is coming from the Fade. However, don't forget this trailer from 2013. Lots of fire raining from the sky in that, which we never really saw in game. However, David Gaider did say we only got half the story in DAI.
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Post by dayze on Oct 13, 2022 23:11:25 GMT
Has it been mentioned here, that one of the theories is that the "Dread Wolf" is an anagram for "Fade World"?
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Post by Iddy on Oct 13, 2022 23:17:13 GMT
I was just thinking... letting Celene die is kind of a dirty business, isn't it? Not that she wouldn't deserve it, but that's basically supporting an assassination plot to help a political ally rise to power.
It may be justified, in a way, but it does push the Inquisitor into a more gray area in the morality compass.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Oct 13, 2022 23:55:12 GMT
I was just thinking... letting Celene die is kind of a dirty business, isn't it? Not that she wouldn't deserve it, but that's basically supporting an assassination plot to help a political ally rise to power. It may be justified, in a way, but it does push the Inquisitor into a more gray area in the morality compass. I don't think there was a good choice for leader of the Orlesian Empire. Celene is clever but a murderess of both Briala's parents and, indirectly, of many elves in Halamshiral. She will only do good as long as the good gives her an advantage in The Game. Gaspard is hamfisted and vindictive and resorts to violence to get what he wants and is a Chevalier, meaning he had to murder an elf in cold blood to earn his feather. I can't see him doing anything good for anyone other than the human nobles in the Empire. He would make life much harder for the non-humans and non-noble humans who have to live there. Briala would probably do a lot of good, but she also is a murderess. (Aside from the people she assassinated for Celene when they were together, she has also just assassinated the ambassadors at Halamshiral in order to give herself a political advantage against both Celene and Gaspard.) If you make her the power behind the throne with Gaspard as leader, I don't think that would last long. Gaspard would kill her once he got sick of being a puppet to an elf or once the human subjects get pissed off about the new freedoms Briala decrees for the elves. If you make her and Celene rule together, you have to reconcile Briala and Celene and that feels wrong. No human is going to let an elf rule Orlais, so no wonder that's not even an option. I ended up making all three of them rule together in the hope that an uneasy triumvirate might at least last for a little while and do some good, but even that wasn't a good choice, because you know you're putting three ruthless people in charge of the Empire.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 14, 2022 13:06:53 GMT
I ended up making all three of them rule together in the hope that an uneasy triumvirate might at least last for a little while and do some good, but even that wasn't a good choice, because you know you're putting three ruthless people in charge of the Empire. This was my initial choice the first time I played (once I had worked out how to get the requisite number of halla statues). Having read Masked Empire, I felt they deserved one another and at least it meant the truce being maintained until we had dealt with Corypheus. I don't know how much longer it would have lasted after the Inquisition was no longer in control of things. It also meant I had achieved our initial objective, which I seem to recall was to prevent Celene's assassination, not get embroiled in regime change. Whilst I liked the option of putting Briala on the throne, it sounded like a barking mad idea to me, and I couldn't see it lasting. So long as Orlais has the Game, it is always going to be a terrible place to live, no matter where you are on the social scale. The other advantage of keeping those three at each other's throats is that it takes the heat off Ferelden, allowing that nation more time to recover from the Blight and the Mage/Templar war on their doorstep. However, subsequent runs, when I felt I wanted to explore other options and have a little fun, I went with letting Celene die, because my male Lavellan thought it poetic justice for what she had done to the elves of Halamshiral, and then having Gaspard the puppet of Briala just put the icing on the cake. What did it matter if it didn't last so long as we capitalised on the situation whilst it did? I think Solas quietly approved as well, even if he didn't register straight away that helping "our people" meant the elves. That was so funny in hindsight; he let his mask slip for a minute. I was just disappointed I couldn't press him further on that one: "Huh, who did you think I meant?"
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Post by Iddy on Oct 14, 2022 14:15:45 GMT
I was just thinking... letting Celene die is kind of a dirty business, isn't it? Not that she wouldn't deserve it, but that's basically supporting an assassination plot to help a political ally rise to power. It may be justified, in a way, but it does push the Inquisitor into a more gray area in the morality compass. I don't think there was a good choice for leader of the Orlesian Empire. Celene is clever but a murderess of both Briala's parents and, indirectly, of many elves in Halamshiral. She will only do good as long as the good gives her an advantage in The Game. Gaspard is hamfisted and vindictive and resorts to violence to get what he wants and is a Chevalier, meaning he had to murder an elf in cold blood to earn his feather. I can't see him doing anything good for anyone other than the human nobles in the Empire. He would make life much harder for the non-humans and non-noble humans who have to live there. Briala would probably do a lot of good, but she also is a murderess. (Aside from the people she assassinated for Celene when they were together, she has also just assassinated the ambassadors at Halamshiral in order to give herself a political advantage against both Celene and Gaspard.) If you make her the power behind the throne with Gaspard as leader, I don't think that would last long. Gaspard would kill her once he got sick of being a puppet to an elf or once the human subjects get pissed off about the new freedoms Briala decrees for the elves. If you make her and Celene rule together, you have to reconcile Briala and Celene and that feels wrong. No human is going to let an elf rule Orlais, so no wonder that's not even an option. I ended up making all three of them rule together in the hope that an uneasy triumvirate might at least last for a little while and do some good, but even that wasn't a good choice, because you know you're putting three ruthless people in charge of the Empire. Yes, I suppose that would be the mature thing to do. Admittedly, putting Briala in power is an emotional choice that disregards what is viable and other crucial concerns. That said, an elven Inquisitor may be excused for making this choice, because realistically speaking, someone who had lived away from human society until not long ago can't suddenly become a genius of politics. Not even if they spend a lot of time reading, as I headcanon that my Lavellan did.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 14, 2022 14:20:12 GMT
I ended up making all three of them rule together in the hope that an uneasy triumvirate might at least last for a little while and do some good, but even that wasn't a good choice, because you know you're putting three ruthless people in charge of the Empire. This was my initial choice the first time I played (once I had worked out how to get the requisite number of halla statues). Having read Masked Empire, I felt they deserved one another and at least it meant the truce being maintained until we had dealt with Corypheus. I don't know how much longer it would have lasted after the Inquisition was no longer in control of things. It also meant I had achieved our initial objective, which I seem to recall was to prevent Celene's assassination, not get embroiled in regime change. Whilst I liked the option of putting Briala on the throne, it sounded like a barking mad idea to me, and I couldn't see it lasting. So long as Orlais has the Game, it is always going to be a terrible place to live, no matter where you are on the social scale. The other advantage of keeping those three at each other's throats is that it takes the heat off Ferelden, allowing that nation more time to recover from the Blight and the Mage/Templar war on their doorstep. However, subsequent runs, when I felt I wanted to explore other options and have a little fun, I went with letting Celene die, because my male Lavellan thought it poetic justice for what she had done to the elves of Halamshiral, and then having Gaspard the puppet of Briala just put the icing on the cake. What did it matter if it didn't last so long as we capitalised on the situation whilst it did? I think Solas quietly approved as well, even if he didn't register straight away that helping "our people" meant the elves. That was so funny in hindsight; he let his mask slip for a minute. I was just disappointed I couldn't press him further on that one: "Huh, who did you think I meant?" I think you do get to ask "Who are your people then?", though he naturally doesn't answer. As for an elven Inquisitor wanting to avenge Halamshiral, it might seem difficult to justify in-game because the purge of the alienage is treated as a secret. But it wasn't actually kept a secret in The Masked Empire, so I guess we're allowed to ignore this.
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