The Blanketfort (crying and throwing up) - The Official Solas Thread [Spoilers]

If they're not going to bother to import the world state from the Keep, I don't see them bothering to even add Veilguard to it, much less have us manually update the world state.  They may retain the Keep for awhile yet but after Veilguard?  They may not see the point.

Yeah. Sometimes I do wonder if people are getting the wrong impressions from some of the things I am saying but the long and the short of it is that his plan is still pretty horrible. So it does come down to a few different factors for me. 

1. Solas's plan, whatever his personal morality, is pretty horrible and will result in a lot of casualties. 

2. Solas's plan must be stopped, no matter his personal reasons for it. 

3. Solas has a lot of intelligence and recognizes the flaws in his plan and keeps on wanting someone to offer him an alternative. Instead of doing so, the Inquisition and the people arrayed against him seem bound and determined to try and stop his plan no matter what. 

4. Solas's motivation is fairly sympathetic in trying to do what he is doing. 

5. Accorrding to him the Evanuris would have resulted in complete catatrophe. Also according to him seems Thedas is on roughly the same path right now. While the details may be cagey there is certainly enough behind the scenes lore to suggest he is right. Thedas is headed for being a wasteland if the current situation persists much longer.

6. Solas is an extremly powerful being, at least as much as a dozen mages.  

All that being said it sets up a situation where we have to stop him. But redeaming him is every bit as much a solution as putting him down. And given the above I think its a practical one, given that unless somethign does happen to even the power scales we're not going to be able to stop him martially, and given his intelligence levels then he should be open to reason as long as someone approaches him with a better plan of saving the world and saving his people. Now the trick is whatever he wants to do still might end up being worse then the alternative and may leave each of us one choice. But again, for me, the point is to stop him, not just to kill him for the sake of killing him.
I don't think they skipped a game but the more I am wondering how much they have moved things around. On his YouTube game Mark Darrah has talked about a 'three game' plan was the first idea for DA 4. Then low and behold they have been advertising that the beginning of this game feels like the ending of another one. Its quite easy to imagine that this could have been a cliff hanger at the end of part 1. Just that they are also incorporating the Solas plot into it now and moving things around. Just a theory mind you.

It will be fascinating to see how they would handle it but I'm not ready to entirely give up on the idea of a 'stealth war' yet. Now the BTS trailer from about 2020 certainly gave us the idea that would be a main part of the game's story progression, trying to focus on the real problems, which the rest of society was ignoring, which knowing BioWare would likely involve solving those problems before. However this was before the reboot of the reboot into a SP game again so things might've changed...but there is also not a lot of stuff that specifically has said that it would change. But I do see two possibilities from this. 

Either again this was kind of the big plan for them with their sequence fo games building up on one threat or another and the private war was going to become a public war, we're just now stepping onto the scene now. 

Or will the Evanuris and Solas be weakened from the initial ritual and from 'just waking up after thousands of years.' This would still make them very powerful antagonists with the potential to cause all sorts of problems but they might just be content to move in the shadows. Leaving our team to investgate any anomoly which could be them in the regions we will be going to, as well as embroiling ourselves in local politics. So, a shadow war. 

I'm sorry, but a change of the "world order" and the struggle that comes with regaining the connection to magic ARE very soft consequences when compared to the aftermath which the shadow Inquisition wants to stop from happening. Why? Because there is no death or destruction in such things.

So no, you can't gaslight me and say that I imagined anything here. It is fine to finally concede that at least the demons are a problem, but the damage you're usually willing to admit that comes from Solas' plans is laughable.

Considering that he only acknowledges ancient elves as true elven people, there is no exaggeration when he says that creating the Veil "destroyed their world", which involved many kinds of damage including physical.

Back to Sandal's line, what I meant was that only those still alive after the ritual could possibly be included among "everyone".

Regarding the stance adopted by the new party, I was referencing this dialogue.

"Rook: If Solas tears down the Veil, doesn't that destroy everything?

Harding: Solas always talked about how beautiful the ancient world was.

Varric: That world existed before the Veil and he wants to bring it back".(No debate or disagreement from either of them on Rook's remark)

No, no, I understand. There is no need to answer questions you're uncomfortable with.

To be quite honest, I don't believe we're necessarily dealing with full extinction. What I do maintain is that lifting the Veil, in and of itself, is drastic enough to unleash destruction and a considerable death toll.

That is just not true though, The changing of the current world order given everything that is going to happen, especially when a bunch of people who are very afraid of magic get access to it, is going to be ctastrophic on the world stage with a lot of people dead. Kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't sort of deal. 

Varric and Harding and Rook's perspective is obviously skewed there. However Solas meant things they clearly believe its going to result in the end of the world and what not so they are clearly going to try and do everything to stop it without trying to think of the hows or the whys. This is really summed up in the end of the demo we got because both Solas and Varric advance some really horrible arguments against each other. Its obvious that Solas does not want to go through with it and is really hoping Varric does have a better plan, and given logical flaws in his argument he is just left to parrot trite catch alls, but then Varric does not have an actual alternative either so all he is left to do is parrot trite catch alls. 

Thing is we have a lot of context at this point from historical input both before and after the Veil, current events, and then now seeing the actual ritual itself that proves that it won't result in extinction for any one of the people's within Thedas. So he was either speaking metaphorically, was trying to do something to get our butts in high gear, or he genuinely believed it himself but then later on his other words in Tevinter Nights and now the game indicates if he ever did he now believes it won't.

All I'm saying is, the current party is clearly expecting another kind of catastrophe.

In The Missing, scout Harding says "If we don't stop him, there is no guarantee anyone will be alive".
readcomicsonline.ru/comic/dragon-age-the-missing-2023/1/13

And until new info comes up, I'll be pretty much running with the version adopted by the heroes of the story.

It's Mark Darrah-approved, alright?  

In any case - I don't think anyone wants more chaos in an already chaotic setting (unless it's a solution for, um... nastier kind of chaos?). But we're only months away from finding out where exactly all of this is going.

Now, if you excuse me, I'm now focusing on my own ritual.

Each BSN member sacrifices their left pinkies.

Sorry but I'm a touch typist and the left pinkie covers A which is an important letter, also frequently used with regard to movement on the PC. When are they going to release details of what the system requirements are for the new game? Need that so I can buy what I need and be all set up ready to play it.

Our scaly overlords continue to mete out fair and equal justice, I see. As it should be. All hail!

I wonder... Solas' paintings are quite stylized, so I have serious doubts whether they'd go through all the trouble of creating some sort of image that'd adjust to whatever we picked in CC...

Buuuuuuuut.... how "bad" would it be if, in a world-state he was romanced, he's had some sort of mural depicting Lavellan?

Or at least, dunno, there'd be a mention of a sketch of stick-figures in his memoir where they both hold hands and are encircled by a heart