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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 3, 2024 17:27:16 GMT
Wow, that trailer certainly revealed a whole heap more. If you want to avoid spoilers I would advise not watching it. Suffice to say I am even more intrigued by what is in store for us. It's bittersweet, because it makes me want my inquisitor back even more. *sigh* I'll live.
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 3, 2024 17:32:07 GMT
I'm conflicted because I don't mind some spoilers but not all. Definitely do not want Solas spoilers, for example. I don't mind lore teaser spoilers.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 5, 2024 21:14:20 GMT
Fuck me. It's....really hot in here, you guys.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 8:36:36 GMT
There was something in the latest companion video on IGN where someone in game, I think, referred to the murals in the Lighthouse and what they might mean. So, it seems we don't just observe them but can discuss them with our companions.
I may need to watch that again to be certain.
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Post by MeadKnight on Sept 6, 2024 9:01:32 GMT
There was something in the latest companion video on IGN where someone in game, I think, referred to the murals in the Lighthouse and what they might mean. So, it seems we don't just observe them but can discuss them with our companions.
I may need to watch that again to be certain. Yes, it was Emmrich. "These murals aren't simply memories. They're what Solas wishes to forget." I'm definitely interested in taking a look at them. Also experiencing Solas' memories in the crossroads! Perhaps we come across murals in the crossroads that activate a flash back sequence 🤔
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Post by merane on Sept 6, 2024 10:07:54 GMT
There was something in the latest companion video on IGN where someone in game, I think, referred to the murals in the Lighthouse and what they might mean. So, it seems we don't just observe them but can discuss them with our companions.
I may need to watch that again to be certain. Yes, it was Emmrich. "These murals aren't simply memories. They're what Solas wishes to forget." I'm definitely interested in taking a look at them. Also experiencing Solas' memories in the crossroads! Perhaps we come across murals in the crossroads that activate a flash back sequence 🤔 They also said that we should learn more about the Elven gods and their motivations. The crossroads also became a refuge for spirits following the initiative of the caretaker who also helped Solas in his rebellion. I wonder why the spirits needed protection at that time. If we get some cutscenes, maybe a young Solas will have some hair .
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Post by Balsam Beige on Sept 6, 2024 10:24:16 GMT
In Trespasser, Lavellan "You are going to destroy this world?" Solas "Not happily." Lavellan "I'll have to stop you." Solas "I know you will try."
10 years later, Solas to Rook, "I was not destroying the World!"
Lavellan "What the f**k!"
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Post by colfoley on Sept 6, 2024 10:46:57 GMT
In Trespasser, Lavellan "You are going to destroy this world?" Solas "Not happily." Lavellan "I'll have to stop you." Solas "I know you will try."
10 years later, Solas to Rook, "I was not destroying the World!"
Lavellan "What the f**k!" If one believes the Elven God of Lies they kind of set themselves up for disappointment.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 6, 2024 10:58:39 GMT
In Trespasser, Lavellan "You are going to destroy this world?" Solas "Not happily." Lavellan "I'll have to stop you." Solas "I know you will try."
10 years later, Solas to Rook, "I was not destroying the World!"
Lavellan "What the f**k!" Ha! My Lavellan offered to help him! She never quite believed he meant to literally destroy the world.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 6, 2024 11:01:46 GMT
In Trespasser, Lavellan "You are going to destroy this world?" Solas "Not happily." Lavellan "I'll have to stop you." Solas "I know you will try."
10 years later, Solas to Rook, "I was not destroying the World!"
Lavellan "What the f**k!" Ha! My Lavellan offered to help him! She never quite believed he meant to literally destroy the world. Context for Kings I believe both him and the Inquisitor specifically mentioned this world at points in Tresspasser and not 'the' world. Semantics can be fun sometimes.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 11:04:21 GMT
In Trespasser, Lavellan "You are going to destroy this world?" Solas "Not happily." Lavellan "I'll have to stop you." Solas "I know you will try."
10 years later, Solas to Rook, "I was not destroying the World!"
Lavellan "What the f**k!" You see that is why my Lavellan had a quiet breakdown after Trespasser. Then she has had 8 years (the date is 9:52) with the Wolf haunting her dreams. I dare say she will have another one when she hears his latest claim. Either that or she will give him a right piece of her mind when she gets the chance. I haven't forgotten that he said we didn't do anything together that she didn't want to, thus not accepting any responsibility for deceiving her first time round in their relationship. Solas really messed with her head. I'm not about to let him do the same to Rook.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 6, 2024 13:49:23 GMT
Ha! My Lavellan offered to help him! She never quite believed he meant to literally destroy the world. Context for Kings I believe both him and the Inquisitor specifically mentioned this world at points in Tresspasser and not 'the' world. Semantics can be fun sometimes. That's what I've been saying all those years! He says "THIS world" same way he says he destroyed "the world of the elves" - so, basically, "the world as people know it" and not the destruction of virtually the whole of existence or something.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 14:09:22 GMT
Context for Kings I believe both him and the Inquisitor specifically mentioned this world at points in Tresspasser and not 'the' world. Semantics can be fun sometimes. That's what I've been saying all those years! He says "THIS world" same way he says he destroyed "the world of the elves" - so, basically, "the world as people know it" and not the destruction of virtually the whole of existence or something. I don't think anyone imagined he was blowing up the planet or anything like that. However, he implied heavily that whatever he was doing would likely result in their death. "Enjoy it while you can." Also, if it was anything like he intended doing with his orb then "As the world burned in the raw chaos, I would restore the world of the elves." However, you understood that, it didn't sound it was going to be much fun for the majority of inhabitants of Thedas. In fact it was probably going to be lethal. Also when talking with Charter in Tevinter Nights, he never bothered correcting her when she said they were trying to stop him because he told the Inquisitor he was going to destroy the world. In fact he admits he told them in a moment of weakness because they deserved to know so they could live a few years in peace "Before this world ended." It is just pedantic to excuse him on the basis he only meant the current state of the world as though it was no more than regime change and a harmless makeover. He fully expected that many people would die in the chaos that followed, even strong, capable individuals like the Inquisitor, let alone ordinary citizens. He didn't deny it to Varric, just said that everyone dies, so what difference did it make?
That is what Rook was trying to prevent and nothing they had been told or they heard of that final exchange seemed to contradict that view. I'm sorry but the disaster that followed is all down to Solas whatever he may try to maintain.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 6, 2024 15:35:48 GMT
That's what I've been saying all those years! He says "THIS world" same way he says he destroyed "the world of the elves" - so, basically, "the world as people know it" and not the destruction of virtually the whole of existence or something. I've argued with too many people over years confident that Solas basically threatens the entire world, and maybe - maybe - will spare the elves. No, he did not. That's just an interpretation of his words that part of fandom chooses to believe in, while more than just me argued over years that Soles - a guy whose words often have double, or triple meaning, or are very context-dependent - doesn't necessarily means literal death.
You yourself now bring up how things Solas says often have "enjoy it while you can", but even those statements don't carry the threat of death: just the end to things as people know it.
That doesn't mean that many people won't die or will not be threatened - we already saw what happened when he gently cut the Veil and the demons started raining on Thedas. But that is a different thing from basically killing everyone (save for maybe elves, or ancient elves). ...OK, so do you believe Solas will blow up the planet (and the remake it) or not?
Or does he mean something less literal, like the rain of demons we all saw in Veilguard already, or the total social and political (and possibly spiritual) upheaval that his actions would surely bring? Again, I have to ask, for the millionth time - why do many people who believe that Solas literally wants to destroy most of the world (or non-elven races) assume that people who argue that Solas' plans are subtler and not necessarily AS lethal must mean maybe only some semi-peaceful transition?
Of course there will be chaos, not only because Solas potentially wants to bring magic back to the world that mostly lost its touch with it, but because even the truth about the past and Solas' actions would mean the complete and utter upending of political and religious structures across the whole of continent.
Like, honestly... is that just too little of chaos for some? Because it sure feels like for some this is just not enough... Do people just WANT the threat of Solas to be apocalyptic (even though we already know - since Trespasser - that his actions were a result of trying to prevent the true chaos), otherwise the stakes are just too small to work hard on finding a better solution?? We already spoke of that multiple times - Solas never speaks of death in Tevinter Nights, in fact he speaks of saving this world. The only source of contention is that he says that elves may find that save world better, in contrast to other races.
Like, sorry, but this passage really shows how much effort Patrick Weekes invested in making Solas words basically a Rorschach test that is mostly reliant on how people choose to interpret them - because I'd point this excerpt as a prime example of Solas NOT intending to just wholesale getting rid of modern Thedas and modern Thedosians. As mentioned already - he also said he destroyed "the world of the elves", which basically equals to pushing back magic and destroying a civilization reliant on it. It SHOULD tell you something about what he means by "destroying this world and restoring the world of the elves", like IMO he can't be any more clearer than that. *sigh* I've explained my position so many times now, you basically have no excuse misinterpreting them so badly. Again, again, again - in what place, over so many years we've argued about the topic, anyone has argued that there will not be at least a threat of death for so many people resulting from this sudden transition?
Like honestly, at this point I have to call this what it is: a strawman argument. You're arguing a position nobody holds - surely not me, and at this point I'm just tired of correcting and explaining it. It's kinda funny you say this, considering we already know what actions of Rook bring. They may have thought they may have no choice - the consequences of their actions may be bad, but trying to stop the threat at hand is worth the risk.
...Kinda reminds me of someone - in fact, the devs made it extremely clear that actions of Rook are supposed to parallel the actions of Solas, who's doing all that he's doing because he's actually trying to prevent an actual apocalypse.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 16:03:38 GMT
...Kinda reminds me of someone - in fact, the devs made it extremely clear that actions of Rook are supposed to parallel the actions of Solas, who's doing all that he's doing because he's actually trying to prevent an actual apocalypse. There is a difference. Solas may not have anticipated the bad consquences of raising the Veil but he did have full information about the alternative to taking action would be. The Evanuris were hell bent on destroying their current world (again not total destruction but likely spreading red lyrium and the Blight), so it was very much a lesser of two evils.
Rook did not have all the facts through no fault of their own. They could only go by what Varric and others had told them. They all conveyed the idea that Solas was doing something very bad that would result in death and destruction. Solas had done nothing to correct their misconception. So, when Varric seemed unable to talk him down and the apocalypse seemed imminent (because how was Rook to know he was moving the gods when he was waving his magical blade?) they did what they thought they could to stop the ritual. It is not the same situation at all.
As for our future action against the gods. The situation is dire it is true so we will see what comes of that. Until such time as the choice is let the gods destroy everyone with the Blight or do X which might have unforeseen consequences, Rook's actions are not the same. If Solas chooses to see himself in Rook that is his affair. If he tries to convince Rook their situations are the same, I shall assume he is trying to manipulate me, particularly if his ultimate solution is to destroy the Veil.
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Post by jennica on Sept 6, 2024 16:09:22 GMT
...Kinda reminds me of someone - in fact, the devs made it extremely clear that actions of Rook are supposed to parallel the actions of Solas, who's doing all that he's doing because he's actually trying to prevent an actual apocalypse. Did Bioware actually say that? I thought they said Solas sees a lot of himself in Rook, which is not really the same thing.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 6, 2024 16:51:15 GMT
Fuck me. It's....really hot in here, you guys. OMG, my Rook is such a gonner. There is just no way. He's going to ruin her for anyone else, it's going to be hysterical.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 6, 2024 17:11:00 GMT
...Kinda reminds me of someone - in fact, the devs made it extremely clear that actions of Rook are supposed to parallel the actions of Solas, who's doing all that he's doing because he's actually trying to prevent an actual apocalypse. Did Bioware actually say that? I thought they said Solas sees a lot of himself in Rook, which is not really the same thing. ...Why do you think Solas seems a lot of himself in Rook in the first place?
It is, indeed, the same thing, and one devs intend to build their relationship on - Rook's and Solas' point of connection is being someone who sees a threat and acts to stop it, even if the solution has consequences, including dire ones (that they then have to work to mitigate).
Rook stopped Solas because they assumed that not doing something would imperil the world and many people living in it, even if they didn't fully understand what that would unleash, or decided that not doing anything would be even costlier. Solas did the same with Evanuris.
Even if the context of their actions wasn't exactly the same (the Evanuris do indeed appear to be the biggest threat to Thedas that's ever existed - and it has been characterized as such by either Epler or Busche), their mindset and actions parallel one another.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 6, 2024 17:13:00 GMT
Fuck me. It's....really hot in here, you guys. OMG, my Rook is such a gonner. There is just no way. He's going to ruin her for anyone else, it's going to be hysterical. ROFL, maybe they've retained the Inqusitor to be like "I mean, you can TECHNICALLY romance him, and romance Rook with someone else!"
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 17:18:51 GMT
...Why do you think Solas seems a lot of himself in Rook in the first place? I was rewatching the latest IGN companions trailer where the companions are chatting together round the table and I formed the impression that Davrin might be sympathetic to Solas' situation in the past.
They hinted that there could be tensions between the group, even if they are working to the common goal of save Thedas from the gods. Possibly whether we follow Solas' advice might be one of the sources of contention and how we ultimately deal with him.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 6, 2024 18:31:59 GMT
About Davrin I'm sympathetic to what happened to Solas in the past. Who wants to face a mini horde of Evanuris. Just one Ghil is enough to freak me out.
But it is the past, we weren't there. I want to falcon punch current Solas. I'm tired of cleaning up his mess AND getting lectured.
He knew damn well, he made everyone panicked at the end of Trespasser and the Inky and co would try to stop him. He got some nerve to be pissed now and to claim there was nothing to worry about.
This guy and my blood pressure don't go well together.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 6, 2024 18:48:18 GMT
I'm not sure how people feel about posting fanart, but there's been some beautiful Solavellan stuff on twitter:
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Post by merane on Sept 6, 2024 20:54:07 GMT
These fanarts are beautiful, especially the last two.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 7, 2024 7:32:52 GMT
I'm still trying to decide which world state I am going to start with but I definitely think at some point I will have to do the heartbreak run: Warden: City elf who romanced Leliana. Wrote to Inky to ask them to do what they could for her because of how badly Justinia's death had hit her but sadly it was already too late and she became horrible ruthless political manipulator as a result. Poor Tabris guy won't recognise her, although since I opposed her as Divine and she just retired to their coastal retreat together, perhaps he will be able to restore her to something like the woman he remembered. Hawke: Mage who romanced Fenris and nearly chose Anders (had second thoughts after he nearly killed Ella). Was still heartbroken by what Anders did and having to execute him. Then (according to the comic series) Fenris didn't return to her after her visit to Weisshaupt but stayed up in Tevinter bad mouthing her to his new friends before heading for Ferelden with them, not bothering to call in on her at Kirkwall on route. Then she was left as proxy Viscount by Varric, a thankless task. Cheers pal! Inquisitor: Female mage who romanced Solas. Enough said! Suffice to say she is still hopelessly devoted to the Wolf and is convinced she can save him from himself. I'm not holding my breath on it. So, who is most likely to break my Rook's heart? I certainly won't be asking Solas for relationship advice.
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Post by theascendent on Sept 7, 2024 9:32:23 GMT
I wonder if we can discover the source of Solas' power and take it for ourselves. The Elf PC I have in mind wants to destroy the Viel, but doesn't trust Solas and given his track record is convinced that he will only create more problems in the future, so he is secretly planning on usurping his power and then dispose of Solas once he outlives his usefulness.
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