The Blanketfort (crying and throwing up) - The Official Solas Thread [Spoilers]

Hey I was thinking about something, as we keep going back to "there's no way quizzy's story is tied up at all !!"
Well. WHAT IF it is tied up, as in, the inquisition is kinda over, you don't have your mark anymore, you're not inquisitor anymore, no more of this
But that wouldn't have to mean the char is done for

Team optimism™ yes ? xD

Welcome sugarquill ! Art team high five, yo
Your last thing is adorable I see we had the same idea, attempt to lure teh wolf with cakes in teh fade LOL
Let's send a letter to bioware to make it canon, that's what the People want

I WANT THIS
I try not to project to much as we don't know anything yet but how cool would it be to play a tev elf slave and hear people speak about the DW™ in whispers all around you omg
If I could get confident enough in my da knowledge and creativity I would SO fanfic this
*gets excited ovre nothing in her corner LOL*

Hah it's not Solas but I drew a Cole with a rabbit yesterday and Cole is like a mascot here so I thought it'd be ok i'm sorry if not

Those definitions show why I don't like the use of the word "redeem"/"redemption".
1) Act of redeeming or atoning for a fault or mistake - I can't do that for him, he can only do that himself.
2) Deliverance/rescue - probably the closest you can get to being the one redeeming (actually it is still linked to the religious idea of redemption)
3) Theology: Deliverance from sin/salvation - the Inquisitor is not god.
4) Atonement for guilt - Again I can't do that for Solas since I am not god.
5/6/7) All the original meaning of redeem, as with a pawnbroker, making a payment to recover something from someone - which is where the original theology of redemption sprang from.

You see the problem with the word is that it implies judgement on his actions and that I am able to wipe out his past mistakes through some act of my own. If I stop him from taking future action, I will not have redeemed him, simply convinced him that he shouldn't proceed with his plan. For him to be "redeemed" I would have to believe that I am saving him from something more than a "tragic mistake" and that I have convinced him that his plan was morally indefensible, so he would never be tempted to take similar action in the future. In order to do that I would have to convert him to the idea of the dichotomy of good/evil, which he has made clear he does not. He defended his action on the principle of survival of one group of individuals over another and that his past actions were a "mistake" that needs to be corrected.

In any case, there is still the problem of a new PC being limited by the decision reached by the Inquisitor at the end of Trespasser. If they are not going to be bound by this, what was the point of having us make a decision at all? It was odd that we were being asked to make such a black and white decision about Solas, when we were not in a position to do anything to bring it about at that moment in time. If some future dialogue with the new PC is going to be based wholly on this decision in the Keep, then I think that would be wrong. I've already explained further up the forum that having had several months to reflect on events and conversations, my PC feels rather less murderous to Solas than before. He'd like another opportunity to talk with him but if the new PC had Solas at his mercy, then my Inquisitor would not wish them to kill him just because of those words he spoke back in Trespasser. Also I would feel rather aggrieved if Solas' ability to trust my new PC was based on the attitude of the Inquisitor in Trespasser.

My personal view was that my priority was obviously saving the world. Whatever personal feelings I might have on the matter were irrelevant to the fate of millions of sentient beings and the natural world they lived in. That said, if I could save the world without killing Solas I would. So I both intended to stop him and if possible "save him from himself". If new information is discovered, that will also impact on the way I wish to deal with it. However, a new PC will not have had the opportunity to get to know Solas like the Inquisitor did, so they are not going to be bothered about "redeeming" him in the way his predecessor might be. Whatever decision is taken in the new game, I don't want it to be based off something that happened at the end of the old one, without any opportunity by the Inquisitor for making a new appraisal of the situation.

The thing about the Keep and its wording, is that there has always been some rather strange choices in verbiage. I remember remarking in reports during the beta, about some of those. Unfortunately, I can't recall off the top of my head, the ones I expressed questions of.

I guess, I just don't take too much stock, in their choice of words. They also will need to post options carefully, since they don't want to accidently reveal potentially new stuff to come (i.e. content for the next game/book/comic, etc...).

Just my .02, nothing more.

**And I am still pro-dual protag's for the next game, but hold to no expectations.

I honestly don't understand the decision to change the wording. The Inquisitor says "save our friend from himself" not "redeem our friend".

Although, perhaps from a developer standpoint, it is a choice-based narrative. His redemption would in fact have to be due to the player's actions, rather than his own, because the player's actions are what force the choices he makes. As he is a videogame character he can never just put down his toys, say he's sorry and walk away; he will either take branch A or branch B, or if all conditions are met, secret branch C.

Oh my goodness, I'm flattered. Threaddad temporarily changed the name of the thread!

They used Frostbite for DAI, so I don't think this will be an issue?  He should look the same, if perhaps a bit older depending on how much time passes and if he's actually feeling the Quickening.  

ETA: Unless he comes back actually as the Dread Wolf, I suppose.

"Hello, you remember me? I handsomer now."


"What? Tongue is blue? Is because I really good at fade-tongue now. REALLY good."

I wouldn't be surprised if they worked on their assets specifically so they could be re-used in DA4 (other games will likely use some as well, and later DA devs will use those created for other games), nor I expect much of style change now - some details, maybe colors, shaders, better animations, motions, facial expressions or body gestures or hair, more body types and heights... but the base for it? All done. And I don't recall where I've read it, but apparently converting stuff form DAO/DA2 was one of things that took them a lot of time. Now that it's done so now, they can just stick to refining stuff.

That makes sense. I think I must have had some minor episode of amnesia since I actually forgot that DAI was on frostbite already.

Phew, that makes me much less worried! I just had this horrible scene in my head of a bald Nicholas Cage saying 'vhenan' in a sad voice.

I don't think they could allow too many years to pass because Solas seemed to have a degree of urgency about what he was doing. Otherwise why didn't he simply wait a few decades before trying to activate his orb? The old magic is failing and he needs to drop the Veil to salvage what remains. Also, I assume that out of uthenera Solas will start aging normally too, plus all those other ancient elves that he has roused.

No, I'm pretty sure he will be working as quickly as he can to acquire a new source of power to further his plans. That is why we are heading to Tevinter because that is where it is going to be found. That is likely how the new PC will be involved. They will be trying to get to the power source first before Solas

Probably won't. Dorian's probably going to be the returning companion, and he won't be much use if he's dead... Well, I mean, he's the necromancer which means he's the only companion that can still be useful when he's dead but I don't think they can draw their powers out like that.

Doesn't stop them from killing the Inquisitor in the prologue/off screen though. 

That being said, I don't think Solas has the Quickening to contend with, because neither Abelas or Felassan seemed to be suffering from it. And Felassan was running around for - what, twenty years? - while Abelas' people had enough time between sleeps to get busy, birth babies, and have those babies grow up old enough for Abelas to resent them from not understanding what was lost. Since neither of them seemed very mortal, I don't think Solas suddenly is either.

Maybe something else is snapping at his heels, or maybe he rushed the job with the Orb because it'd be millenia before he was strong enough to open it (If he's ever able to naturally recover to that point at all.) and the fact that magic appears to be dying out would make it difficult to find a being of Corypheus' power again.

Jeez... I'm still not sure what to make of the blood magic theory. I do believe Solas would sink that low if he believed he truly had to (And I don't think the "Solas doesn't know blood magic/doesn't like using it" defense has much weight, since Solas is demonstrably self-sacrificing, and besides, seems to believe this plan will end very poorly for him any way.), but at the same time the writers are going to have a hell of job for redeeming him for a lot of people if they push him that far.  It also somewhat contradicts the idea that elves are supposed populate this new world.