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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Jan 18, 2018 17:37:54 GMT
Thoughts?
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Post by burnsidhe on Jan 18, 2018 17:56:45 GMT
No. He's a cheap knock-off imitation of Harbinger / Sovereign
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 18, 2018 18:16:17 GMT
He is synonym to blank paper.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 18, 2018 18:20:23 GMT
I would say he's a cheap knockoff of Harby/Sovereign/Saren and with a bit of Ultron mixed in there. But that's just me.
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Post by cypherj on Jan 18, 2018 20:48:11 GMT
He came across more as Harbinger to me. Especially the assuming direct control version.
But whoever designed the face should be slapped, the shape looked like a kid to me all game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 6:17:10 GMT
He came across more as Harbinger to me. Especially the assuming direct control version. But whoever designed the face should be slapped, the shape looked like a kid to me all game. More like a 12 year old humanized baboon. I was half expecting red buttcheeks. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 19, 2018 6:45:08 GMT
No. He's a cheap knock-off imitation of Harbinger / Sovereign The great irony though is that his motivation makes more sense than Harbinger/Sovereign’s. |
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 22, 2018 6:42:48 GMT
No, no, no.
He is an imitation of Kai Leng.
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Post by natetrace on Jan 22, 2018 12:43:22 GMT
I prefer him to Corypheus, I think, but an imitation of Saren? I don't see that. They tried to make Kai Leng Shepards rival but he wasn't, Saren was. The Archon is kinda like Harby but his interest in species is both curiosity and condescending, whereas Harby was just condescending since he knew about all the MW species already.
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Post by burnsidhe on Jan 27, 2018 2:30:46 GMT
His face is more like that of a marmoset or a capuchin. It's very difficult to take him seriously.
And that's the major theme of Mass Effect Andromeda. The entire game is very difficult to take seriously.
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Post by Beerfish on Jan 28, 2018 2:14:36 GMT
Tim became a cheap knock off of saren the end of , it was disgusting.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 28, 2018 6:13:26 GMT
Andromeda is a cheap imitation of Mass Effect 1
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Post by FluffyCannibal on Jan 28, 2018 21:19:08 GMT
Archon was the most disappointing character for me. One of the things I love about Mass Effect is that the bad guys aren't really bad guys, but good guys with good intentions who became corrupted without realising it. Then along came Archon The Totally Generic Villain. I really wish they would've at least given him a proper backstory.
But to answer the question: Yes. He's a poor man's Saren with a dash of Harby.
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Post by melbella on Jan 28, 2018 21:39:44 GMT
I don't think Saren or TIM were ever really good guys.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jan 28, 2018 21:42:14 GMT
Are main plots really BioWare's forte? It's never been their focus.
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Post by Arkhne on Jan 28, 2018 21:48:36 GMT
I don't think Saren or TIM were ever really good guys. Wasn't Saren idoctrinated by the time ME1 rolled around? It's a little harsh to judge someone purely on what they are AFTER being mind-controlled. TIM is a lot more debatable, IMHO, as Cerberus never had a particulary good record. |
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Post by FluffyCannibal on Jan 28, 2018 21:49:40 GMT
I don't think Saren or TIM were ever really good guys. A super-cop and a black ops soldier? They weren't exactly criminals...but anyway, maybe they weren't exactly good guys, but they had good intentions and genuinely wanted to help people. Yeah, they were pretty fucked up about it from the get-go - Saren's a raging racist for example - but they certainly weren't your average run of the mill generic villains. |
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Post by melbella on Jan 28, 2018 21:52:19 GMT
I don't think Saren or TIM were ever really good guys. Wasn't Saren idoctrinated by the time ME1 rolled around? It's a little harsh to judge someone purely on what they are AFTER being mind-controlled. TIM is a lot more debatable, IMHO, as Cerberus never had a particulary good record.
Not talking about game Saren but book Saren. The guy was a menace and lied about what happened on his mission with Anderson. Had nothing to do with indoctrination, just his hatred of humans.
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Post by FluffyCannibal on Jan 28, 2018 21:53:57 GMT
I don't think Saren or TIM were ever really good guys. Wasn't Saren idoctrinated by the time ME1 rolled around? It's a little harsh to judge someone purely on what they are AFTER being mind-controlled. TIM is a lot more debatable, IMHO, as Cerberus never had a particulary good record. TIM too; as I understand it, he was partially indoctrinated during his run in with Reaper tech back in the First Contact War, which is what led him to founding Cerberus. |
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Post by Arkhne on Jan 28, 2018 21:59:49 GMT
Wasn't Saren idoctrinated by the time ME1 rolled around? It's a little harsh to judge someone purely on what they are AFTER being mind-controlled. TIM is a lot more debatable, IMHO, as Cerberus never had a particulary good record.
Not talking about game Saren but book Saren. The guy was a menace and lied about what happened on his mission with Anderson. Had nothing to do with indoctrination, just his hatred of humans.
I'm not the sort to care for "companion novels" and other sorts of money-grabbing fluff, so I can't comment on extended universe stuff, only in-game experiences. However, I will say that racism doesn't make someone a villain, it makes them an arsehole, two entirely different things. |
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Post by melbella on Jan 28, 2018 22:04:56 GMT
The comparison I responded to wasn't "villain" vs "hero." It was bad guy vs good guy. Saren isn't and never was a good guy.
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Post by Arkhne on Jan 28, 2018 22:26:28 GMT
The comparison I responded to wasn't "villain" vs "hero." It was bad guy vs good guy. Saren isn't and never was a good guy. Sorry, my mistake for reading too much into it. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 29, 2018 2:15:00 GMT
I don't think Saren or TIM were ever really good guys. Especially Saren. One of the things ME1 established firmly and repeatedly was that even before all this, Saren was pretty much a dick that had a serious thing against humans. |
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