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Post by Clyde on Jan 23, 2018 4:53:32 GMT
You spelled explosive ammo wrong.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jan 23, 2018 5:03:12 GMT
Pfhhh ... Epeen post. I demand a Thunderdome, your GI / Venom vs me missile glitching. On BronzeIdk if I ever posted the story of my first and only time missile glitching: it was on Bronze of course, and I couldn't even missile glitch right. I forget who was there, I think it was Xan and Firerider and maybe ark, but we were doing Rio Collectors on Bronze (because lol), and I switched to Destroyer and tried to missile glitch (to annoy Xan, obviously). I got the glitch, but I didn't know you had to toggle DM to refill ammo, so I ran out of ammo, and thus out of missiles, on like w2, and so all I could do the rest of the match was run around throwing grenades. I finished last, on Bronze, as a missile glitcher.
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Post by max on Jan 23, 2018 18:19:20 GMT
Pfhhh ... Epeen post. I demand a Thunderdome, your GI / Venom vs me missile glitching. On BronzeIdk if I ever posted the story of my first and only time missile glitching: it was on Bronze of course, and I couldn't even missile glitch right. I forget who was there, I think it was Xan and Firerider and maybe ark, but we were doing Rio Collectors on Bronze (because lol), and I switched to Destroyer and tried to missile glitch (to annoy Xan, obviously). I got the glitch, but I didn't know you had to toggle DM to refill ammo, so I ran out of ammo, and thus out of missiles, on like w2, and so all I could do the rest of the match was run around throwing grenades. I finished last, on Bronze, as a missile glitcher. I was one of the people in that match. I think it was you, me, Xan and Ark. As we are obviously only going to run platinum in that lineup of killers, I thought you were joking when you changed the set up to Bronze Rio and equipped an MG set up. So OFC I equipped a typical platinum set up as I assumed you were going to change back. Then the match started and I realized it really was bronze. And there I was with a L20 SI with a Harrier X and AP IV .. in bronze. Yeah, you were missile glitching (cool on bronze, not so much on the higher difficulties), however it's not even like my TTK in bronze on that set up was much worse than yours lol
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Post by q5tyhj on Jan 23, 2018 22:30:03 GMT
Idk if I ever posted the story of my first and only time missile glitching: it was on Bronze of course, and I couldn't even missile glitch right. I forget who was there, I think it was Xan and Firerider and maybe ark, but we were doing Rio Collectors on Bronze (because lol), and I switched to Destroyer and tried to missile glitch (to annoy Xan, obviously). I got the glitch, but I didn't know you had to toggle DM to refill ammo, so I ran out of ammo, and thus out of missiles, on like w2, and so all I could do the rest of the match was run around throwing grenades. I finished last, on Bronze, as a missile glitcher. I was one of the people in that match. I think it was you, me, Xan and Ark. As we are obviously only going to run platinum in that lineup of killers, I thought you were joking when you changed the set up to Bronze Rio and equipped an MG set up. So OFC I equipped a typical platinum set up as I assumed you were going to change back. Then the match started and I realized it really was bronze. And there I was with a L20 SI with a Harrier X and AP IV .. in bronze. Yeah, you were missile glitching (cool on bronze, not so much on the higher difficulties), however it's not even like my TTK in bronze on that set up was much worse than yours lol Haha ok yeah that sounds right
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Post by XCPTNL on Jan 26, 2018 15:15:04 GMT
I don't use disruptor ammo on anything. Sits there maxed out at 255 and has as much value to me as explosive rounds and cryo. Disruptor ammo in my opinion should actually just have been what Phasic round are nowadays: a way to negate/remove shieldgate on enemies.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 26, 2018 17:18:01 GMT
I don't use disruptor ammo on anything. Sits there maxed out at 255 and has as much value to me as explosive rounds and cryo. Disruptor ammo in my opinion should actually just have been what Phasic round are nowadays: a way to negate/remove shieldgate on enemies. L2DA problem spotted
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Post by XCPTNL on Jan 26, 2018 17:29:52 GMT
Possibly yes. There is just no use for it compared to AP, Warp, Incendiary or Phasic on the weapons and kits I use. So enlighten me: in what scenario makes DA kill the enemy faster than with the other ammo types I just mentioned?
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Post by Arkhne on Jan 26, 2018 17:34:38 GMT
Possibly yes. There is just no use for it compared to AP, Warp, Incendiary or Phasic on the weapons and kits I use. So enlighten me: in what scenario makes DA kill the enemy faster than with the other ammo types I just mentioned? Tech Bursts vs Cerberus or Geth. Yes, Phasics do more damage to a SINGLE target, but Tech Bursts damage (and stagger) multiple targets. Also, as already mentioned, they're also an _aggression enabler_ by bringing additional CC to the equation, it allows players that aren't zomg1337 to play more aggressively.
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Post by XCPTNL on Jan 26, 2018 18:30:42 GMT
Tech Bursts vs Cerberus or Geth. Yes, Phasics do more damage to a SINGLE target, but Tech Bursts damage (and stagger) multiple targets. I never found Tech Bursts particularly useful compared to Fire Explosion or Biotic Boom Boom or... well just shooting and killing the damn enemy instead of fooling around. I guess it's a matter of playstyle which is why I said I don't find DA useful for the weapons and kits I play.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 26, 2018 20:02:30 GMT
TB are not a matter of playstyle, they deal twice the damage to shield and have twice the radius too. But as we dont see them nor hear them, feels like they suck. Arkhne sums it well, but better try it for yourself. Take the TSOL mantis on hydra gold cerb for a solo, with any of your ammo, and then proceed with DA and concussive shot reload hide. difference is quite enormous. Same for plat solos, where DA rocks for stopping banshees, make phantoms hide, staggers, and yeah TB prime. First too are best done with Phasics, but then phasics is shitty vs armor, whereas DA still primes for TBursting mooks to death besides big armor pools.
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Post by XCPTNL on Jan 26, 2018 20:21:26 GMT
Well I guess by playstyle I mean the combination of kits and weapons I use. That's why I don't want to be misunderstood: I don't necessarily mean that DA sucks or anything, just that I personally have no use for it. Then again I only play like 8-10 kits and don't really enjoy the rest (anymore) and I use a Javelin, Black Widow, Crusader, Claymore or Wraith. I just like to point, shoot and kill and not mess around with fancy combos and such that much. It can be fun at times with a team when powers work well together and I look out for it more (priming or detonating) but usually I have not much intention to explode my own combos and for me personally powers are just the icing on the cake that support the shooting mechanics of the game. Would probably be a completely different story if I was leaning more on powers and combinations than on putting out damage with weapons and going by the "preferrably one shot, one kill" motto. That's what I mean with playstyle in this case.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Jan 26, 2018 21:04:59 GMT
then try a single shot weapon with DA and concussive shot reload hide. It wont hurt your shooting cycle, and it will keep rushing units to bay. Javelin weight might make CS CD a bit long but one every 2 shots still worse it
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Post by Arkhne on Jan 26, 2018 21:23:18 GMT
then try a single shot weapon with DA and concussive shot reload hide. It wont hurt your shooting cycle, and it will keep rushing units to bay. Javelin weight might make CS CD a bit long but one every 2 shots still worse it Widow Juggernaut was one of my earliest sniping setups, using Siege Pulse in much the same way. It was very strong, and the Juggernaut's height is actually an advantage in sniping.
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Post by Deerber on Jan 27, 2018 15:29:06 GMT
Possibly yes. There is just no use for it compared to AP, Warp, Incendiary or Phasic on the weapons and kits I use. So enlighten me: in what scenario makes DA kill the enemy faster than with the other ammo types I just mentioned? Slayer, for example, benefits enormously by using disruptor ammo. Equip a talon and go to town with your *insert name (that I don't recall anymore, rip my brain) of ability that drains your shield and does AoE damage*. It's even superior to incendiary ammo against armor (much superior, actually). Except vs reapers because of mothafucking swarmers and that nasty bug...
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Post by Arkhne on Jan 27, 2018 16:34:27 GMT
Possibly yes. There is just no use for it compared to AP, Warp, Incendiary or Phasic on the weapons and kits I use. So enlighten me: in what scenario makes DA kill the enemy faster than with the other ammo types I just mentioned? Slayer, for example, benefits enormously by using disruptor ammo. Equip a talon and go to town with your *insert name (that I don't recall anymore, rip my brain) of ability that drains your shield and does AoE damage*. It's even superior to incendiary ammo against armor (much superior, actually). Except vs reapers because of mothafucking swarmers and that nasty bug... Phase Disruptor. And I believe you're refering to Incendiary Ammo's 4s cooldown on repriming the same target that Disruptor Ammo doesn't have. Disruptor Ammo is perfectly reliable for priming, prime, and prime again, endless explosions if you have a detonator that can keep up.
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Post by Deerber on Jan 27, 2018 18:28:40 GMT
Slayer, for example, benefits enormously by using disruptor ammo. Equip a talon and go to town with your *insert name (that I don't recall anymore, rip my brain) of ability that drains your shield and does AoE damage*. It's even superior to incendiary ammo against armor (much superior, actually). Except vs reapers because of mothafucking swarmers and that nasty bug... Phase Disruptor. And I believe you're refering to Incendiary Ammo's 4s cooldown on repriming the same target that Disruptor Ammo doesn't have. Disruptor Ammo is perfectly reliable for priming, prime, and prime again, endless explosions if you have a detonator that can keep up. Precisely If memory serves, you can have 5 PDs in a charge cycle. Most likely you'll have 3-4. Since a FE does twice the damage of a TB on armor, you end up doing from 1.5X to 2X the damage with TBs.
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Post by Arkhne on Jan 27, 2018 18:46:59 GMT
Phase Disruptor. And I believe you're refering to Incendiary Ammo's 4s cooldown on repriming the same target that Disruptor Ammo doesn't have. Disruptor Ammo is perfectly reliable for priming, prime, and prime again, endless explosions if you have a detonator that can keep up. Precisely If memory serves, you can have 5 PDs in a charge cycle. Most likely you'll have 3-4. Since a FE does twice the damage of a TB on armor, you end up doing from 1.5X to 2X the damage with TBs. When tanking on Gold/Plat, it's most common to get 3 PDs per charge cycle (4 tends to cause shields to be broken by the enemies, which is painful). (I say "tanking" because a Tech Bursting Slayer can hold off entire spawn-groups once you get a nice rythmn going on some stairs somewhere, the Tech Bursts essentially take the mooks out of the equation, and bosses are not very threatening to a Slayer on Stairs).
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Jan 27, 2018 20:56:54 GMT
Tech Bursts works fine vs shielded enemies, but lose heavily to pure armor. Brutes, Ravagers, Scions and stripped down bosses die much slower than with FE's. So the time you gain by Tech bursting mooks is the time you lose by fighting bosses. If you use rockets to kill the bosses in speedruns, TB's might be a bit more useful, but overall I'd take FE's any day on U/U/G or U/U/P
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Post by Deerber on Jan 27, 2018 21:06:22 GMT
Tech Bursts works fine vs shielded enemies, but lose heavily to pure armor. Brutes, Ravagers, Scions and stripped down bosses die much slower than with FE's. So the time you gain by Tech bursting mooks is the time you lose by fighting bosses. If you use rockets to kill the bosses in speedruns, TB's might be a bit more useful, but overall I'd take FE's any day on U/U/G or U/U/P If you're playing as a Slayer, TBs are better than FEs vs armor. Not against rippaz tho, because lolswarmerbug
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jan 28, 2018 12:28:02 GMT
I hardly know 'er! Plus, it has been about a year since I did that. That's a long time.
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Post by XCPTNL on Jan 28, 2018 15:04:08 GMT
Tech Bursts works fine vs shielded enemies, but lose heavily to pure armor. Brutes, Ravagers, Scions and stripped down bosses die much slower than with FE's. So the time you gain by Tech bursting mooks is the time you lose by fighting bosses. If you use rockets to kill the bosses in speedruns, TB's might be a bit more useful, but overall I'd take FE's any day on U/U/G or U/U/P If you're playing as a Slayer, TBs are better than FEs vs armor. Not against rippaz tho, because lolswarmerbug Claymore to the face or some "ferrofluid, magnetically drawn into the firing chamber and expelled at lethal speeds" (ME Wiki) works even better in my opinion. But anyways... thanks to all you guys who gave explanations about the use(fulness) of DA even though I personally have no use for it with the kits I play regularly.
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Post by Deerber on Jan 28, 2018 19:19:11 GMT
If you're playing as a Slayer, TBs are better than FEs vs armor. Not against rippaz tho, because lolswarmerbug Claymore to the face or some "ferrofluid, magnetically drawn into the firing chamber and expelled at lethal speeds" (ME Wiki) works even better in my opinion. But anyways... thanks to all you guys who gave explanations about the use(fulness) of DA even though I personally have no use for it with the kits I play regularly. Ain't nothing that works as good as a good ol' "Muahahaha, HEADSHOTTTT!!!" from a Claymore
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 1, 2018 3:52:59 GMT
I don't use disruptor ammo on anything. Sits there maxed out at 255 and has as much value to me as explosive rounds and cryo. Disruptor ammo in my opinion should actually just have been what Phasic round are nowadays: a way to negate/remove shieldgate on enemies. I use Cryo on my Salarian Engineer. It makes Incinerate more powerful, makes you a Tech Whore (you now command the powers of Fire, Ice, and Electricity), and most importantly, it causes Melee Puggernauts to drop whatever they are currently grabbing. It's also useful CC on groups of Cannibals, and unshielded Collector Troopers. You'll even get a Cryo Explosion if you Incinerate after they hard freeze. And finally, since it provides Armor Weakening, which doesn't play well with Armor Piercing, you get a free mod slot where your Piercing Mod once was. On SMGs and ARs, this means a damage barrel instead. On Shotguns and Sniper Rifles, it means a lighter load, as you'll use the plain barrel instead of the combo barrel. On Pistols, it means a clip extension or power amplifier. I better log in sometime and check how many I have left!
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 19, 2018 14:50:18 GMT
I don't use disruptor ammo on anything. Sits there maxed out at 255 and has as much value to me as explosive rounds and cryo. Disruptor ammo in my opinion should actually just have been what Phasic round are nowadays: a way to negate/remove shieldgate on enemies. I use Cryo on my Salarian Engineer. It makes Incinerate more powerful, makes you a Tech Whore (you now command the powers of Fire, Ice, and Electricity), and most importantly, it causes Melee Puggernauts to drop whatever they are currently grabbing. It's also useful CC on groups of Cannibals, and unshielded Collector Troopers. You'll even get a Cryo Explosion if you Incinerate after they hard freeze. And finally, since it provides Armor Weakening, which doesn't play well with Armor Piercing, you get a free mod slot where your Piercing Mod once was. On SMGs and ARs, this means a damage barrel instead. On Shotguns and Sniper Rifles, it means a lighter load, as you'll use the plain barrel instead of the combo barrel. On Pistols, it means a clip extension or power amplifier. I better log in sometime and check how many I have left! Miss you SalMasRac
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 3, 2018 14:43:25 GMT
I gotta fix my left click mouse button then I might actually play some ME3.
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