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Post by Serza on Sept 19, 2020 8:56:03 GMT
Well, unfortunately, one way or the bloody other, for the both of you, you sort of missed the addendum to the rules from December 2019.
You may piss off now.
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Post by river82 on Sept 19, 2020 8:58:15 GMT
Well, unfortunately, one way or the bloody other, for the both of you, you sort of missed the addendum to the rules from December 2019. You may piss off now. And if you had pointed it out politely like a civil member of society one or both of us may have said "sure, my bad, this topic is intricately linked with politics and we may have forgotten ourselves. My bad, mods please delete this." But I don't take kindly to death threats anywhere. So you can fuck off and I will stay as long as the mods dictate.
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Post by Serza on Sept 19, 2020 8:59:16 GMT
Well, unfortunately, one way or the bloody other, for the both of you, you sort of missed the addendum to the rules from December 2019. You may piss off now. And if you had pointed it out politely like a civil member of society one or both of us may have said "sure, my bad, this topic is intricately linked with politics and we may have forgotten ourselves. My bad, mods please delete this." But I don't take kindly to death threats anywhere. So you can fuck off and I will stay as long as the mods dictate.
Neither do I.
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Post by river82 on Sept 19, 2020 9:00:07 GMT
And if you had pointed it out politely like a civil member of society one or both of us may have said "sure, my bad, this topic is intricately linked with politics and we may have forgotten ourselves. My bad, mods please delete this." But I don't take kindly to death threats anywhere. So you can fuck off and I will stay as long as the mods dictate.
Neither do I.
Then you and I have a problem and we will have a long time on the forum to aggravate each other, boy
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Post by ahglock on Sept 19, 2020 21:44:42 GMT
There's an interesting tidbit in this video - Lianna had spoken to Mike Gamble some time back and they were at least toying with the idea of returning to Shepard's timeline for the next major ME release. Not Shepard himself, but something set during that timeline. I don't see the point. You can't move forward, you won't undo the damage and nobody will ultimately care for these characters, let alone the plot. No matter the steaks, it all ends in ME3. It's a zero tension and zero interest recipe. You're better off sticking to Andromeda. And yet people seem to like red dead redemption 2 and that suffers form similar flaws.
Hell give me a story of a private investigator on omega, he drives a fast red ship, has a mustache and two war buddy friends, he lives rent free in a estate that he provides security for but is constantly hassled by a short older major domo with a accent.
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Post by natetrace on Sept 19, 2020 22:50:49 GMT
I think this could be interesting, depending on how they do it. If this is what they do since it sounds like they just were considering this idea, I should say.
No matter what I still say a batarian and Volus squadmate are desperately needed! I will always push my vanguard volus who can fly and nova and has die written in blood in his armor.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 19, 2020 23:06:22 GMT
I don't see the point. You can't move forward, you won't undo the damage and nobody will ultimately care for these characters, let alone the plot. No matter the steaks, it all ends in ME3. It's a zero tension and zero interest recipe. You're better off sticking to Andromeda. And yet people seem to like red dead redemption 2 and that suffers form similar flaws.
Hell give me a story of a private investigator on omega, he drives a fast red ship, has a mustache and two war buddy friends, he lives rent free in a estate that he provides security for but is constantly hassled by a short older major domo with a accent. I've even heard some mixed words about Read Dead Redemption 2, which I can't verify, since I haven't played the game myself yet, but we're equating Rockstar with the talent behind Mass Effect Andromeda and Anthem. Bioware needs an easy title. One that is money in the bank and people will love it, to earn them back some good will. And I will propose again a sequel with Shepard and co. which will be an insta-pull for the gaming community. Even if it's just mediocre, people will go nuts about it. Guaranteed.
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Post by ahglock on Sept 19, 2020 23:19:23 GMT
And yet people seem to like red dead redemption 2 and that suffers form similar flaws.
Hell give me a story of a private investigator on omega, he drives a fast red ship, has a mustache and two war buddy friends, he lives rent free in a estate that he provides security for but is constantly hassled by a short older major domo with a accent. I've even heard some mixed words about Read Dead Redemption 2, which I can't verify, since I haven't played the game myself yet, but we're equating Rockstar with the talent behind Mass Effect Andromeda and Anthem. Bioware needs an easy title. One that is money in the bank and people will love it, to earn them back some good will. And I will propose again a sequel with Shepard and co. which will be an insta-pull for the gaming community. Even if it's just mediocre, people will go nuts about it. Guaranteed. I don't disagree with that.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 20, 2020 21:33:18 GMT
They'll go nuts about it right until they hear how Bio's going to handle save imports and continuity. Then they'll go nuts in a different way.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 20, 2020 21:43:38 GMT
They'll go nuts about it right until they hear how Bio's going to handle save imports and continuity. Then they'll go nuts in a different way. Most people just make the choices that allow for the most people to survive and if they fail at that, they regret letting anyone die, that they couldn't save. Nobody likes the distinction between Destroy/Synthesis/Control and even so, players overwhelmingly chose Destroy. You can make a game that gives players a fun time, in spite of the concessions asked. Not that Bioware will make that. You know what the reason is that people continuously ask Bioware what the "canon" ending is? Because they want Bioware to pick one. It's a hint. Bioware can choose to take it. Not to mention the huge conversation this will spark in the community and how that will be enough to reinvigorate some interest in the franchise. To be honest, I don't trust Bioware with anything, at this point. I don't trust that even making this decision, they won't fuck it up. But least of all, I don't trust Bioware with my money. They don't deserve it, they've not earned it.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 20, 2020 21:44:46 GMT
And I will propose again a sequel with Shepard and co. which will be an insta-pull for the gaming community. Even if it's just mediocre, people will go nuts about it. Guaranteed. A sequel with Shepard returning? excellent. Here's an idea for that to happen, and here's an idea that can be used for a trailer.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 20, 2020 21:47:07 GMT
A sequel with Shepard returning? excellent. Here's an idea for that to happen, and here's an idea that can be used for a trailer. No problems with me. Bioware, hire this man.
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Post by souljahbill14 on Sept 22, 2020 22:50:15 GMT
Hard pass
Shep doesn’t live in all endings and that doesn’t account for other galactic changing choices made during ME3.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 22, 2020 22:56:10 GMT
Hard pass Shep doesn’t live in all endings and that doesn’t account for other galactic changing choices made during ME3. If it sells the games and keeps people employed, it's all that matters. Like I've said before, Project Lazarus 2.0. Everyone is back and alive, again.
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Post by souljahbill14 on Sept 23, 2020 0:01:44 GMT
Hard pass Shep doesn’t live in all endings and that doesn’t account for other galactic changing choices made during ME3. If it sells the games and keeps people employed, it's all that matters. Like I've said before, Project Lazarus 2.0. Everyone is back and alive, again. 1) I hate Project Lazarus 1.0. I definitely don’t want 2.0. 2) Making a game post-war is a recipe for disaster. If it has Shep and crew, the expectations will be high and making a story akin to fanfic to “pay the bills” will only lead to more disappointment. They’d be better off doing a series reset than trying to build a cohesive story post-war.
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Post by Phantom on Sept 23, 2020 2:12:47 GMT
If it sells the games and keeps people employed, it's all that matters. Like I've said before, Project Lazarus 2.0. Everyone is back and alive, again. 1) I hate Project Lazarus 1.0. I definitely don’t want 2.0. 2) Making a game post-war is a recipe for disaster. If it has Shep and crew, the expectations will be high and making a story akin to fanfic to “pay the bills” will only lead to more disappointment. They’d be better off doing a series reset than trying to build a cohesive story post-war. Post Reaper War game will only be bad if it is poorly written. And Same with ME:A2 will be bad if it is poorly written....
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 23, 2020 2:19:11 GMT
If it sells the games and keeps people employed, it's all that matters. Like I've said before, Project Lazarus 2.0. Everyone is back and alive, again. 1) I hate Project Lazarus 1.0. I definitely don’t want 2.0. 2) Making a game post-war is a recipe for disaster. If it has Shep and crew, the expectations will be high and making a story akin to fanfic “to pay the bills” will only lead to more disappointment. They’d be better off doing a series reset than trying to build a cohesive story post-war. Also, what's the point of bringing them back? We had a team(s) whose job was the save the galaxy. They did. Can't top that. The rest is kind of boring. Time to go home and relax. Let the up and comers have their adventures with kicking the asses of batarians and mercs. Maybe expanding the borders of Council space. Helping those "Wild West" colonies who would never make it with the economic downturn the galaxy has just gone through (consequence of the war). Kicking the shit out of anyone who goes near Mindoir. That's just if ME has to continue in the MW. People can be employed making other games rather than remasters or remakes. I once saw this video from The Onion where an immigrant said she couldn't understand American culture because we constantly rebooted our TV and movies. Quit the reboots and do something new. Maybe even better. Make the next great game series that will have people clamoring for more eight years later. That's the way to success, at least as I see things.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 23, 2020 7:42:18 GMT
Let the up and comers have their adventures Nobody liked the up and comers. And I get the "it's unfair, the others had a whole trilogy" argument, nobody's going to be lenient on them. Sometimes, the concessions made aren't worth the end result. You need to hit it off from the first minute, or you've already lost your audience.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 23, 2020 10:39:12 GMT
I think the franchise is kinda done. Andromeda didn't quite hit the spot. To franchise it they should have never plan it as a trilogy and holocaust finale with characters players attach to so much.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 23, 2020 12:29:02 GMT
I think the franchise is kinda done. Andromeda didn't quite hit the spot. To franchise it they should have never plan it as a trilogy and holocaust finale with characters players attach to so much. The problem is two fold. You can definitely introduce new characters and have people absolutely love them, all of them. It is very difficult. It is extremely difficult. I wasn't that optimistic for the ME2 crew, for example, after ME1, but it won me over. Then, DA2 did the same thing and while it worked for some, the simultaneous changes to the gameplay and the recent change of cast of ME simply wore me down. And Bioware's insistence to do so for each subsequent title, made it even more difficult to develop bonds with the characters, because their expendable nature became all too transparent. And I'm not saying that Bioware is in the wrong for trying, but they severily overestimated my capacity to constantly develop new bonds with characters. And maybe it's just me, but I think it is true for a lot of people. I don't think I know of anyone who just changes their familial cycle in regular intervals, from the top down. So you're bound to get some kick back and the more you do it, the more likely you are that more people will follow. And maybe making these self contained games with radically different outcomes work to attract new people, with each new game, as a new jumping point, but is it greater than the jump off rate? That is probably dependent on the success of each new iteration and, honestly, with characters, that's a gamble. Honestly, I think that Bioware just tried to change things up too often and forced their customers to form these bonds with each new crew. I don't fault them for trying, but after a while, people will have a hard time following. That familiarity that sequels supposedly provide, just isn't there with these games. And that goes wholly for these games, from narrative to gameplay.
tl;dr I'm not a robot. I can't be told to like something and instantly like it, because it's the new shit.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 23, 2020 12:51:54 GMT
I hate Project Lazarus 1.0. I definitely don’t want 2.0. That is entirely your right. Making a game post-war is a recipe for disaster I disagree. I think there is plenty to look forward to and a time for trouble with great potential for adventure. If it has Shep and crew, the expectations will be high and making a story akin to fanfic to “pay the bills” will only lead to more disappointment To many people, Andromeda was a story akin to fanfic, so I don't know. They’d be better off doing a series reset than trying to build a cohesive story post-war I'd argue they'd be better off shelving the franchise entirely, but that's not what we're getting.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 23, 2020 14:11:15 GMT
There's an interesting tidbit in this video - Lianna had spoken to Mike Gamble some time back and said they were at least toying with the idea of returning to Shepard's timeline for the next major ME release. Not Shepard himself, but something set during that time. I thoroughly dislike the idea of doubling back to a concurrent timeline of another character, especially Shepard’s. Whatever that story is, it’s going to be hamstrung by the continuity of the Shepard story. It makes me wonder if they’d just pull a Rogue One and have this unknown, unsung hero and all of his/her friends die so that they’re tucked neatly under the rug and the original trilogy is unaffected. Another thing is that ending, the dark cloud that’ll just hang over all of it. I wouldn’t look forward to the inevitable little nods and hints of the impending reaper invasion that BioWare would undoubtedly sprinkle about the story, all the while our characters are just shrugging their shoulders because no one else ever knows about it until it’s too late. I guess I just hate jumping backward in time in these sorts of stories. If the writers can’t be bothered to create a path moving forward, I’d rather it just die and we move on to something else.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 23, 2020 14:21:54 GMT
Let the up and comers have their adventures Nobody liked the up and comers. And I get the "it's unfair, the others had a whole trilogy" argument, nobody's going to be lenient on them. Sometimes, the concessions made aren't worth the end result. You need to hit it off from the first minute, or you've already lost your audience. They didn't like those up and comers. We can have a military protag with mixed allies, like in the MET. FYI, I think MEA did have people early on. Then they lost them with the graphics issues and Ryder's lack of backbone. In any case, I'm personally not interested in the further adventures of Shepard. I just can't imagine a worthwhile storyline that can top the MET.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 23, 2020 14:30:51 GMT
I thoroughly dislike the idea of doubling back to a concurrent timeline of another character, especially Shepard’s. Whatever that story is, it’s going to be hamstrung by the continuity of the Shepard story. It makes me wonder if they’d just pull a Rogue One and have this unknown, unsung hero and all of his/her friends die so that they’re tucked neatly under the rug and the original trilogy is unaffected. Another thing is that ending, the dark cloud that’ll just hang over all of it. I wouldn’t look forward to the inevitable little nods and hints of the impending reaper invasion that BioWare would undoubtedly sprinkle about the story, all the while our characters are just shrugging their shoulders because no one else ever knows about it until it’s too late. Agreed. It's something I don't think anyone cares about. Like the last time Bioware asked the fanbase and while the plan was originally for a prequel, they got feedback overwhelmingly for a sequel. It's not that it won't sell, but it's going to have a hard time to garner interest from players. Like I said, it won't save ME. I guess I just hate jumping backward in time in these sorts of stories. If the writers can’t be bothered to create a path moving forward, I’d rather it just die and we move on to something else. It's not that you can't do it, but ME doesn't have a big enough history, that involves humans, to set a backdrop for an interesting prequel and the things that are taking place are limited as to the events that can occur in said timeframe. Again, it isn't impossible to pull it off, but I question the viability of such an endeavor. As you said, it'd be best to move on from ME entirely, at this point.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 23, 2020 14:37:51 GMT
I just can't imagine a worthwhile storyline that can top the MET. I don't think we'd have to. ME2 showed us that even a smaller scale force, with more insidious goals, granted, could work and make for a more personal story, at the same time, being character focused and with well received characters. I don't see a MEA crew equivalent reaching those heights, at least in public perception, to carry such a game. I don't see similar engagement, to this day, for the MEA crew, to rival the MET cast, in the slightest. Again, not impossible to achieve it, but I seriously doubt the likelihood of that.
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