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Post by traks on Dec 12, 2020 11:38:12 GMT
I think you're right in that there will be heat, especially if they don't handle it right (which EA don't have the greatest record of doing). However all that being said I've waited 7 years for that soul destroying ending to finally have some meaning. So I'll literally take "Sorry Shepard but I, Liara, poisoned your oatmeal before the last mission and everything you saw was a dream, ready to kill the Reapers now?" That's how desperate I am... SEVEN YEARS I've held onto this! 7 YEARS I get that. I just think it’d be best to not expect this to necessarily happen, as they’ve been vague for a reason. Anything is possible at this stage, although it seems that some form of canonization happened with the dead Reapers. The teaser could’ve worked regardless of their dead presence, or the destroyed relays. I don’t think EA will have much to do with the disappointment for the direction the franchise took, and that BioWare will reveal later on. Someone is definitely bound to be disappointed, as most of the fanbase/people interested want different things. The question is just about who, and how many. BioWare could deliver their best game ever, and someone would still be disappointed and angry for the kind of sequel the game is. Which is unfortunate, but inevitable. But what is the problem then? If they deliver their best game ever, that would be fantastic. Pleasing everyone isn't important. Delivering a good story and a great game is, or not?
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 12, 2020 11:45:17 GMT
Yea okay, EA's support of the game + it's overall game sales + it's metacritic score really backs your claim So you must think that 50 Shades of Grey is one of the best books of all time, right? Never read it. I don't read erotic novels. Nice Strawman argument though.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 12, 2020 11:51:39 GMT
So you must think that 50 Shades of Grey is one of the best books of all time, right? Never read it. I don't read erotic novels. Nice Strawman argument though. Not a straw man at all actually. You used money made and ratings to argue the value of a piece of entertainment, so I showed why that isn’t a good metric.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 11:52:09 GMT
I, too, am a great fan of the Disney Trilogy. Down with the old, in with the new. Only new good, all old bad.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 12, 2020 11:55:50 GMT
I get that. I just think it’d be best to not expect this to necessarily happen, as they’ve been vague for a reason. Anything is possible at this stage, although it seems that some form of canonization happened with the dead Reapers. The teaser could’ve worked regardless of their dead presence, or the destroyed relays. I don’t think EA will have much to do with the disappointment for the direction the franchise took, and that BioWare will reveal later on. Someone is definitely bound to be disappointed, as most of the fanbase/people interested want different things. The question is just about who, and how many. BioWare could deliver their best game ever, and someone would still be disappointed and angry for the kind of sequel the game is. Which is unfortunate, but inevitable. But what is the problem then? If they deliver their best game ever, that would be fantastic. Pleasing everyone isn't important. Delivering a good story and a great game is, or not? Because people are focused/invested a lot in the issue. Some people don’t want a MEA sequel and others don’t want a trilogy sequel. Or are interested in a specific kind of sequel. It’s an issue that would make then not interested in the game regardless of the quality (at least for some).
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Post by traks on Dec 12, 2020 12:00:44 GMT
But what is the problem then? If they deliver their best game ever, that would be fantastic. Pleasing everyone isn't important. Delivering a good story and a great game is, or not? Because people are focused/invested a lot in the issue. Some people don’t want a MEA sequel and others don’t want a trilogy sequel. Or are interested in a specific kind of sequel. It’s an issue that would make then not interested in the game regardless of the quality (at least for some). But that's Ok. You can't get everyone interested in your stories. When it comes to ME you could add 'unless you announce a parallel trilogy after ME3 and a sequel to MEA'.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 12, 2020 12:33:01 GMT
Never read it. I don't read erotic novels. Nice Strawman argument though. Not a straw man at all actually. You used money made and ratings to argue the value of a piece of entertainment, so I showed why that isn’t a good metric. No, you claimed that "many" people preferred Andromeda over MET. All I did was outline that the "many" statistics that I delivered do not agree with your point of view. To which you did nothing to offer up any statistics of your own and instead spoke about a completely non-related issue.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 12:51:59 GMT
Because people are focused/invested a lot in the issue. Some people don’t want a MEA sequel and others don’t want a trilogy sequel. Or are interested in a specific kind of sequel. It’s an issue that would make then not interested in the game regardless of the quality (at least for some). It's not just that. It has a lot to do with perception. Public perception of Bioware nowadays is just not good. Bioware IPs interest is at an all time low, according to google trends, and have missed an entire generation of customers with lackluster launches. At the mere mention of anything Andromeda, even people without a vested interest in the series, will dip out. While people here may like and be very vocal about ME:A, to say the game had no flaws, or that it did a better job than the trilogy is a disservice. Now, I've said it before and I'll say it again; we should get an Andromeda sequel. But now is not the right time. Now you need star power, you need fans back and you need to restore the relationship with the public. The public rejected Andromeda, but not the trilogy. Either way, [New PC] might achieve some things, but I doubt they'll do much.
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Post by mgsmsc on Dec 12, 2020 13:24:14 GMT
I think they are setting the bar too high with a return to the milky way. Actually, some of the issues with it tie in with one of MEAs issues - 'the more they tried to make it just like home, the more they made everybody miss it.' The name dropping and connections to the Milky Way in MEA never did it any favours for me and I don't think going back there will make Bioware or Mass Effect the way they were.
Andromeda has its faults but in it you have a ready made platform to continue developing which isn't all bad. In fact a sequel could greatly reinforce the first outing by making the choices of MEA much more relevant. Was this not the strength of the original trilogy? I'm not sure many people will just play ME1 and call it quits!
I understand that many people will not be enthusiastic about a MEA sequel but I see this as a positive. Hype plays its part in undermining things and lowering expectations may give a new game a little more breathing room. Ultimately though, whatever they do, the proof of the pie will be in the eating and I hope whatever they come up with is something I can enjoy.
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Post by mmoblitz on Dec 12, 2020 14:23:21 GMT
I wrote ME franchise off after MEA. This has my attention, but nothing more than that. If they put story and characters first with others things after then they might bring me back, but if it's anything like MEA, the Franchise is off my radar again. If I'm being honest, I don't think they can capture that Bioware Magic of old, again. DA will be a good litmus test on what to expect with ME going forward.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 14:33:55 GMT
Andromeda has its faults but in it you have a ready made platform to continue developing which isn't all bad. In fact a sequel could greatly reinforce the first outing by making the choices of MEA much more relevant. Was this not the strength of the original trilogy? I'm not sure many people will just play ME1 and call it quits! While this is absolutely true, you also need to take in mind perception. Perception is everything. Public's perception of Andromeda is low. Which is not as true for the trilogy. Low perception of Andromeda will lead to low starting sales, which is when most games make the bulk of their revenue. The longer a game remains on the shelves, the lower the revenue for the publisher. And EA already cut the life line of Andromeda once. That is not to say that Andromeda can't be done anymore, but audience perception needs to change and for 3 years now, going on four, it hasn't happened. You will need another factor to build it up first. Or else it may mean doom for ME and Bioware as a whole. Considering Bioware's current public perception, they are going to need to work on multiple levels to pull this off. Whether we like it or not, or believe it or not, you probably should, Bioware is very volatile right now. The blame lies on both EA and Bioware, as both have had a fair amount of failures in the things either side pushed for. One side is vying for less interference over the other, after meddling with their internal schedules caused mad crunch for years and the other is pinning for greater control, after the studio's string of misses. Regardless of how I feel about the trilogy, ME will need to move on, but regardless of how Andromeda fans feel, ME and Bioware first need to instill confidence in their brand again and franchises again. If the ME remaster, Anthem relaunch and DA4 all hit the right cords, then maybe ME:A2 has a chance, but that is the best of best case scenarios. While Bioware could operate with that in mind, it would be hugely irresponsible. You always plan for the worst and hope for the best.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 12, 2020 14:49:06 GMT
Because people are focused/invested a lot in the issue. Some people don’t want a MEA sequel and others don’t want a trilogy sequel. Or are interested in a specific kind of sequel. It’s an issue that would make then not interested in the game regardless of the quality (at least for some). It's not just that. It has a lot to do with perception. Public perception of Bioware nowadays is just not good. Bioware IPs interest is at an all time low, according to google trends, and have missed an entire generation of customers with lackluster launches. At the mere mention of anything Andromeda, even people without a vested interest in the series, will dip out. While people here may like and be very vocal about ME:A, to say the game had no flaws, or that it did a better job than the trilogy is a disservice. Now, I've said it before and I'll say it again; we should get an Andromeda sequel. But now is not the right time. Now you need star power, you need fans back and you need to restore the relationship with the public. The public rejected Andromeda, but not the trilogy. Either way, [New PC] might achieve some things, but I doubt they'll do much. If they did as you suggest, and it works as well as you project, they would never make a sequel to Andromeda but instead devote that to a sequel of this other game. So no, the time for a sequel to Andromeda is now or never.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 15:21:19 GMT
If they did as you suggest, and it works as well as you project, they would never make a sequel to Andromeda but instead devote that to a sequel of this other game. So no, the time for a sequel to Andromeda is now or never. Well, here's the thing. You'd need to move on from the Milky Way and Shepard's time line. And you'd already have the Andromeda fanbase in the meantime, who would be hungry and impatient for an Andromeda sequel. But you'd also have public opinion. And there would still be those that would say "oh gee whiz, I don't know", but this time the public would be on board. Bioware is back, the fans are happy, public perception is high, if there ever was a more opportune time to make an Andromeda 2, that would be the time. It ensure the highest chance of success and a future for the franchise. Do you care now about this new cast of nobodies that Bioware will introduce? I don't. Will the public? What for? What makes them better than any other cast of characters they didn't like before? Going for a new cast, yet again, is the positively worst choice I can think of. But Liara is back. Whoop-di-fucking-doo. To contrast, imagine this. After Anthem (yeesh) Bioware releases ME:A2. How receptive do you think the audience is? Not much, right? I mean, you'll love it, but you'd be likely to get a repeat of Andromeda; dropped on release with basic support for a few months, closure in related media. Not ideal, right? Currently, we have the remaster, which is a very bad idea if you ask me, then there's the Anthemr relaunch, which may be some time in 2021, late Q3/early Q4, but I'm seeing a delay to 3 year anniversary, in 2022. I don't know who will return to Anthem. It might work, it might not, I'm leaning towards not. But let's assume it gets positive reviews, it likely will. So even if that doesn't work, it give Bioware some points for effort, but too little too late. DA4 will get its release, as I expect late 2023, possible delay to 2024. Do you see it being the mind blowing success that will put Bioware back on the top? I don't. Hype for that trailer the other day ... died. Like, we talked about it, and by we I mean the internet, until the ME trailer landed. Nobody's talking about it. We're talking about it,barely, some tumblr people are (I just reminded you tumblr still exists) and the DA subreddit. DA4 will do OK ... that might generate some good will, though I doubt it and then there's ME:A2. I know you'll love it regardless, you can see it selling tens of millions of copies, making headlines in the meantime, but I don't. Do I see a Shepard ME doing those numbers? Honestly? No. I don't see any Bioware game making those numbers. But I do see a developer willing to go back and fix a long term issue, if they make a Shepard game, one that will go a long way with the community. I believe it will sell better than an Andromeda 2, but more importantly, I see doing wonders for Bioware's public perception. And that is more important. So that when Bioware does choose to make Andromeda 2, it will sell more than the last Shepard title. Because Bioware is about the gamer and Bioware is about you, the fan and they won't leave you behind. It's loyalty, it's trust and it's a commitment. Something that Bioware, as a brand, doesn't have today. I hope you understand my outlook.
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Post by mgsmsc on Dec 12, 2020 15:29:30 GMT
Andromeda has its faults but in it you have a ready made platform to continue developing which isn't all bad. In fact a sequel could greatly reinforce the first outing by making the choices of MEA much more relevant. Was this not the strength of the original trilogy? I'm not sure many people will just play ME1 and call it quits! While this is absolutely true, you also need to take in mind perception. Perception is everything. Public's perception of Andromeda is low. Which is not as true for the trilogy. Low perception of Andromeda will lead to low starting sales, which is when most games make the bulk of their revenue. The longer a game remains on the shelves, the lower the revenue for the publisher. And EA already cut the life line of Andromeda once. That is not to say that Andromeda can't be done anymore, but audience perception needs to change and for 3 years now, going on four, it hasn't happened. You will need another factor to build it up first. Or else it may mean doom for ME and Bioware as a whole. Considering Bioware's current public perception, they are going to need to work on multiple levels to pull this off. Whether we like it or not, or believe it or not, you probably should, Bioware is very volatile right now. The blame lies on both EA and Bioware, as both have had a fair amount of failures in the things either side pushed for. One side is vying for less interference over the other, after meddling with their internal schedules caused mad crunch for years and the other is pinning for greater control, after the studio's string of misses. Regardless of how I feel about the trilogy, ME will need to move on, but regardless of how Andromeda fans feel, ME and Bioware first need to instill confidence in their brand again and franchises again. If the ME remaster, Anthem relaunch and DA4 all hit the right cords, then maybe ME:A2 has a chance, but that is the best of best case scenarios. While Bioware could operate with that in mind, it would be hugely irresponsible. You always plan for the worst and hope for the best. I fully concede that your account is the much more likely of outcomes. As you say - launch day is where the money is made. The problem for me and them is that the way things are done currently around marketing and production has put them and others in this pickle. It remains to be seen if going the same route will give us a different and hopefully better outcome. I don't believe it will but l hope I'm wrong. "It's better to go down with your own vision than someone else's." If they are serious about changing their culture and the publics attitude to the finished product perhaps its worth considering alternative strategies or at the least choosing something that plays to their advantage in the production process rather than ease of marketing. I feel Andromeda does this somewhat better but the ME remaster would be useful for reigniting interest in that setting. Fingers crossed whatever they are doing works out for everyone concerned.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 12, 2020 16:08:00 GMT
Yea okay, EA's support of the game + it's overall game sales + it's metacritic score really backs your claim So you must think that 50 Shades of Grey is one of the best books of all time, right? IIRC 50 Shades didn't have a great critical response.
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Post by cloud9 on Dec 12, 2020 17:04:14 GMT
-Option 4: Reboot Create a 'spiritual successor' to the Mass Effect franchise which doesn't necessarily have to have Mass Effect in the title. BioWare should reclaim their place as the industry leader in storytelling. Redefine the concept of branching narrative paths, character-driven story telling and character-player relationships. The studio needs to re-balance it's focus on storytelling, de-prioritize exploration and combat. Drop multiplayer or have a separate studio for it. Let the story shape the environment not the other way around - drop open-world quest design and go back to unique ME2 style curated spaces that serve the narrative. Replace the outdated dialogue and combat wheel and renegade and paragon duality circa 2007-2012 with genuine innovation in game mechanics that advance the medium as a starting point. Skill trees imo should be replaced with tech upgrades for omni-tool or biotic-amp and look closer to a Civ6 technology tree than a ME3/A skill tree. Place depth where it needs to be i.e. squad and character progression rather than inventory management busy work and weapon customization. Don't rehash tired story elements and plot-lines that we've seen times many in either the Mass Effect series or elsewhere. Don't bring back the Reapers, we need new lore, factions and settings. MacGuffin plot devices should be ancillary to the narrative not drive the narrative. Anything that can only be done or explained by a SAM has no place in Mass Effect as that's fantasy space magic not sci-fi. Ground the series in hard-sci-fi and reality by all means but don't force audiences to do boring repetitive crap like mineral farming to pad the run-time. It doesn't make it more immersive it makes it less engaging. Let the player role-play as themselves for god sake... 'the Shepard' or the Ryder BioWare character formula feels so tired. We need significantly greater agency with regard to dialogue choices. Be bold, don't be afraid to make content (i.e. dialogue, quests) that the majority of players will never see. Embrace it as not all content can or necessarily should appeal to all audiences. Essentially, give the player the tools they need to define the experience that appeals to them rather than attempt to curate content for a target audience like a Naughty Dog or Rockstar. Finally, don't spend years and the majority of the budget chasing white elephants like procedural world generation at the expense of the core experience. Thank you!!!
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 12, 2020 20:45:17 GMT
Do you care now about this new cast of nobodies that Bioware will introduce? I don't. Will the public? What for? What makes them better than any other cast of characters they didn't like before? Going for a new cast, yet again, is the positively worst choice I can think of. But Liara is back. Whoop-di-fucking-doo. I won't care either if it's a new protagonist. Seriously, why throw all these characters from me:a and their stories that need much more development along with other stuff. It's gonna be way more easier for them to continue with the same cast, they will cut some development time while if they are new they'll start from zero, honestly it's stupid. I agree it's gonna be the worst. As for liara, whatever her role might be (big, small), i think they put her on the trailer to draw attention for people that had lost their interest.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 12, 2020 21:54:51 GMT
Do you care now about this new cast of nobodies that Bioware will introduce? I don't. Will the public? What for? What makes them better than any other cast of characters they didn't like before? Going for a new cast, yet again, is the positively worst choice I can think of. But Liara is back. Whoop-di-fucking-doo. I won't care either if it's a new protagonist. Seriously, why throw all these characters from me:a and their stories that need much more development along with other stuff. It's gonna be way more easier for them to continue with the same cast, they will cut some development time while if they are new they'll start from zero, honestly it's stupid. I agree it's gonna be the worst. As for liara, whatever her role might be (big, small), i think they put her on the trailer to draw attention for people that had lost their interest. I'd be fine with either Shepard or Ryder. At least I'd understand that both serve a purpose in delivering something to fans that got dropped. And yes, I know, Shepard for three games, but the third game ... do I even need to go over it again? It's what killed the franchise, it's why Andromeda doesn't have a future. If it were just "a bad game" with Andromeda, Bioware wouldn't have bat an eye, they'd have gone on as planned. One bad game doesn't mean you close up shop. Unfortunately, more than all the developer woes of Montreal, Andromeda paid for the ME3 endings. And Andromeda 2 right now will do no less than that, again. But at least you'd get a game. A "full" game, though I'd argue that experience isn't all that much, nowadays. Just look at Anthem/Avengers/Godfall/Wolfenstein:Youngblood/[Insert Live Service Game Name Here]. Other than Destiny 2/Division 2/Warframe, is there even a single other "good" live service out there? And which one of those looks like a ME or DA game?
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 12, 2020 21:55:23 GMT
It's not just that. It has a lot to do with perception. Public perception of Bioware nowadays is just not good. Bioware IPs interest is at an all time low, according to google trends, and have missed an entire generation of customers with lackluster launches. At the mere mention of anything Andromeda, even people without a vested interest in the series, will dip out. While people here may like and be very vocal about ME:A, to say the game had no flaws, or that it did a better job than the trilogy is a disservice. Now, I've said it before and I'll say it again; we should get an Andromeda sequel. But now is not the right time. Now you need star power, you need fans back and you need to restore the relationship with the public. The public rejected Andromeda, but not the trilogy. Either way, [New PC] might achieve some things, but I doubt they'll do much. If they did as you suggest, and it works as well as you project, they would never make a sequel to Andromeda but instead devote that to a sequel of this other game. So no, the time for a sequel to Andromeda is now or never. Except the same could have been said about a sequel to the original trilogy. And now here we are, presumably getting a sequel to the original trilogy instead of Andromeda. So I think anything is possible regarding this and what I'd personally like to see is this be a sequel to the original trilogy before doing a sequel to Andromeda. Then linking the two up in some inter-galactic threat.
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 12, 2020 22:36:52 GMT
If they did as you suggest, and it works as well as you project, they would never make a sequel to Andromeda but instead devote that to a sequel of this other game. So no, the time for a sequel to Andromeda is now or never. Except the same could have been said about a sequel to the original trilogy. And now here we are, presumably getting a sequel to the original trilogy instead of Andromeda. So I think anything is possible regarding this and what I'd personally like to see is this be a sequel to the original trilogy before doing a sequel to Andromeda. Then linking the two up in some inter-galactic threat. I see what your are saying but I believe on the opening quarter of the game will setup the link between the two that way regardless of choice in ME3 the MW will connect with Andromeda I.e. those that survived ME3 can hookup with those in Andromeda at least that is how I look at it *shrug* only the writers knows hehe and they are not talking
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 13, 2020 11:58:43 GMT
Except the same could have been said about a sequel to the original trilogy. And now here we are, presumably getting a sequel to the original trilogy instead of Andromeda. So I think anything is possible regarding this and what I'd personally like to see is this be a sequel to the original trilogy before doing a sequel to Andromeda. Then linking the two up in some inter-galactic threat. I see what your are saying but I believe on the opening quarter of the game will setup the link between the two that way regardless of choice in ME3 the MW will connect with Andromeda I.e. those that survived ME3 can hookup with those in Andromeda at least that is how I look at it *shrug* only the writers knows hehe and they are not talking Except the trailer shows Liara walking up the side of a dead Reaper and dusting off Shepard's plate. The only way that is possible is if Destroy is canon.
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Post by traks on Dec 13, 2020 12:02:55 GMT
I see what your are saying but I believe on the opening quarter of the game will setup the link between the two that way regardless of choice in ME3 the MW will connect with Andromeda I.e. those that survived ME3 can hookup with those in Andromeda at least that is how I look at it *shrug* only the writers knows hehe and they are not talking Except the trailer shows Liara walking up the side of a dead Reaper and dusting off Shepard's plate. The only way that is possible is if Destroy is canon. Even if they tell a story after one ending of ME3 it doesn't make it canon, it's just a story in one of the parallel universes created at the end of ME3.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 13, 2020 12:09:57 GMT
Except the trailer shows Liara walking up the side of a dead Reaper and dusting off Shepard's plate. The only way that is possible is if Destroy is canon. Even if they tell a story after one ending of ME3 it doesn't make it canon, it's just a story in one of the parallel universes created at the end of ME3. That's a bit like saying in the real Star Wars, Darth Vader let Palpatine zap Luke to death instead of killing the Emperor, but it just didn't happen in the universe they showed everyone.
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Post by traks on Dec 13, 2020 12:18:47 GMT
Even if they tell a story after one ending of ME3 it doesn't make it canon, it's just a story in one of the parallel universes created at the end of ME3. That's a bit like saying in the real Star Wars, Darth Vader let Palpatine zap Luke to death instead of killing the Emperor, but it just didn't happen in the universe they showed everyone. It's still true though. ME3 created parallel universes, so they can pick whatever they want for a future game to tell a story. Or announce a parallel trilogy. Whatever. I never understood why people care so much that the next story has to incorporate their choices. That ended with ME3. At least when it comes to trilogy choices. They won't matter for the next story. That's the whole point for starting fresh. I always pick destroy, but that doesn't mean that BioWare can't chose to tell a story after control for example if they want and I would still be interested. You just have to be able to really see your new PC as a different person and accept Shepard in that case as a historical figure. You are not both in a game after the trilogy. It's not really that hard. The only way BioWare could get into trouble with my argumentation is, if they bring back Shepard as playable character. But I doubt, they'll do that.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 13, 2020 12:30:24 GMT
That's a bit like saying in the real Star Wars, Darth Vader let Palpatine zap Luke to death instead of killing the Emperor, but it just didn't happen in the universe they showed everyone. It's still true though. ME3 created parallel universes, so they can pick whatever they want for a future game to tell a story. Or announce a parallel trilogy. Whatever. I never understood why people care so much that the next story has to incorporate their choices. That ended with ME3. At least when it comes to trilogy choices. They won't matter for the next story. That's the whole point for starting fresh. I always pick destroy, but that doesn't mean that BioWare can't chose to tell a story after control for example if they want and I would still be interested. You just have to be able to really see your new PC as a different person and accept Shepard in that case as a historical figure. You are not both in a game after the trilogy. It's not really that hard. The only way BioWare could get into trouble with my argumentation is, if they bring back Shepard as playable character. But I doubt, they'll do that. I really really enjoy that concept, that between BioWare and Dark Horse Comics they could explore alternate realities of world states after each of the different endings. Although synthesis would be pretty boring right? It's basically a utopian galaxy. Again, while I really do enjoy that concept, mass effect never even hinted at the existence of alternate realities or parallel universes like some sci-fi's do. Plus I would much prefer all the time and resources be devoted to giving us a more in depth lore-based core universe like Dark Horse Comics and BioWare did with the original trilogy, then to strip things bare in order to fan service everyone's favourite coloured ending.
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