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Post by SwobyJ on Dec 13, 2020 22:39:13 GMT
I admit that I could end up totally incorrect with this, but for now I'm going to let myself get a little irked every time I see someone (no offence intended) saying this trailer proves it is 'post-Destroy'.
What about:
Destroy ---> Shepard 'dies', but is back, perhaps enjoys his time with others if highest EMS, but something extends his life a long time (or otherwise stasis) and he seems very strange, very not himself and isolated as he rushes off to destroy Reapers again. Some Reapers are back because the hardware was never utterly destroyed. Like with Geth, they're fully available to get rebuilt.
Control ---> 'Catalyst' exists, but centuries later, something breaks down, forcing a scattering of Reapers and 'Catalyst' Shepard to come back down to Earth. Liara smiles because seeing this entity (person?) destroy Reapers, including N7 on their armor as a nice connection to Legion, provides hope that this entity is closer to the Shepard she knew than one might assume.
Synthesis ---> Connection is made between synthetics and organics. But while the peace lasts (and in some form, it is forged from all endings; whether say Geth are 2.0 rebuilt, or Shepalyst enforces it), outside and some inside factors destabilize the very exploitable status of the galaxy anyway, so it breaks down, resulting in offscreen events that debilitate connections within the galaxy. A figure in Shepard form can return, of course he can, its literally shown in the EC slides with Kenji and Kasumi. It won't be the one we knew. Thus again, the smile from Liara as she is reassured she's on the right track if this figure is still this Shep-like.
Refuse ---> Same as Shep Dies ME2. Alternate canon that may never get followup, aka unimportant, other than a few tidbits that might inform us about a thing or two by exploring that option (like ME2 showing a bit more insidiousness of TIM).
All of this largely providing the start of the bigger plot, like Ferelden Mages/Templars did for DAI. It can both be true that Reapers (even potentially renamed and behaving differently) are quite present, while the big bad is something else. It won't be the exact same as the Geth 'demotion', of course, but of a similar designed nature in terms of follow-up games.
All ME3 endings had a dream of the future. Destroy was more material, but it didn't have a certainty that everything will stay rebuilt and fine. Control was more determined, but just because a new Catalyst says something will happen, doesn't mean it stays that way. Synthesis was creepily idealistic, but just accomplishing some of the goals of it doesn't mean that every concept of it is achieved immediately.
We get a mostly post-Destroy world, with post-Control aspects, and post-Synthesis concepts at play. The latter is especially if we get news that MEA is more involved, since Angaran technopathy and SAM units would certainly could come more into play. Stuff in the Milky Way will evolve, while - and this is a very RPG series thing and was just as recently done by CP2077 - a lot of it will devolve into easier-to-develop-for ruin, due to an offscreen event or phenomenon (Scourge?).
EDIT: If anyone is sick of the concept of Shepard returning, I get you. But the idea here is that its not Shepard, its the final ghost of him that we have a more engaging goodbye with, as the series scope gradually expands into other things - some of it potentially a movement on MEA concepts - over the course of the game. You can not like that as well, it just isn't the same as it just being Shepard. At earliest, he died at the Citadel. At latest, there could be inserted nods at living to some extent for years or more afterwards, but something clicking on, hijacking the body, and arguably no longer being the Shepard we knew. In any case of this idea, its quite literally Not Our Shepard but a vehicle to tell a story of what N7 will become, that MEA waffled too much with.
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Post by SwobyJ on Dec 13, 2020 22:50:23 GMT
That's a bit like saying in the real Star Wars, Darth Vader let Palpatine zap Luke to death instead of killing the Emperor, but it just didn't happen in the universe they showed everyone. It's still true though. ME3 created parallel universes, so they can pick whatever they want for a future game to tell a story. Or announce a parallel trilogy. Whatever. I never understood why people care so much that the next story has to incorporate their choices. That ended with ME3. At least when it comes to trilogy choices. They won't matter for the next story. That's the whole point for starting fresh. I always pick destroy, but that doesn't mean that BioWare can't chose to tell a story after control for example if they want and I would still be interested. You just have to be able to really see your new PC as a different person and accept Shepard in that case as a historical figure. You are not both in a game after the trilogy. It's not really that hard. The only way BioWare could get into trouble with my argumentation is, if they bring back Shepard as playable character. But I doubt, they'll do that. I definitely don't think Shepard is playable. Or it'd be shocking at this point. I think this game might act as one more story about the legend of The Shepard, but in the grand scheme, a more optional one than the trilogy was. And Commander Shepard's story is done. And players of this game won't have to play the trilogy at all to enjoy this enough (unlike the largely iffy marketing of ME3, and somewhat iffy in ME2). But I'm one of the ones that gets fixated on those final sentences of ME3, The Shepard vs Shepard/Commander Shepard, that kinda stuff. I'm not even sure that N7 scrap means Shepard, but I think compared to MEA mislead (Ryderdad and/or internal uncertainty about what the devs were even doing), its almost slap in face territory to show an aged Liara, standing on a Reaper, holding N7 gear, and for it not to mean Shepard in some at least vague capacity. I mean... I guess some other person could have stolen the armor and impersonating him? I... ugh god, no, it means Shepard to me until otherwise shown.
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Post by Hrulj on Dec 13, 2020 22:57:32 GMT
BioWare needs to bend over and bring Shepard back along with the old team. They need to flush andromeda down and never go back to it. Introducing a new cast and new main character is a sure fire way to certain failure.
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 14, 2020 3:53:29 GMT
BioWare needs to bend over and bring Shepard back along with the old team. They need to flush andromeda down and never go back to it. Introducing a new cast and new main character is a sure fire way to certain failure. LOL! tell everyone how you really feel cause I don't feel how you do, Shepard and crew (except Liara and grunt ) are long time dead so them coming back In my mind is not going to happen but with that said *shrug* who knows.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 14, 2020 9:30:08 GMT
BioWare needs to bend over and bring Shepard back along with the old team. They need to flush andromeda down and never go back to it. Introducing a new cast and new main character is a sure fire way to certain failure. BioWare needs to bend over and flush Shepard back along with the old feces of ME2 and ME3. They need to do more Andromeda and never go back to Shepard. Introducing a new cast and new main character is one way to go forward. Did I do it right?
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Post by DextroDNA on Dec 14, 2020 12:36:43 GMT
BioWare needs to bend over and bring Shepard back along with the old team. They need to flush andromeda down and never go back to it. Introducing a new cast and new main character is a sure fire way to certain failure. This is absolutely the dumbest thing I've ever read. I agree with fucking off Andromeda, but we don't need Shepard and the original crew back. Thankfully, that's obviously not going to happen.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 14, 2020 17:57:25 GMT
Even if they tell a story after one ending of ME3 it doesn't make it canon, it's just a story in one of the parallel universes created at the end of ME3. That's a bit like saying in the real Star Wars, Darth Vader let Palpatine zap Luke to death instead of killing the Emperor, but it just didn't happen in the universe they showed everyone. I don't follow. There aren't alternate versions of RotJ. What does "canon" mean in this context, beyond describing the things that the particular Shepard who existed in the ME5 timeline did?
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Post by themikefest on Dec 14, 2020 18:40:28 GMT
BioWare needs to bend over and bring Shepard back along with the old team. They need to flush andromeda down and never go back to it. Introducing a new cast and new main character is a sure fire way to certain failure. BioWare needs to bend over and flush Shepard back along with the old feces of ME2 and ME3. They need to do more Andromeda and never go back to Shepard. Introducing a new cast and new main character is one way to go forward. Did I do it right? Bioware needs to bend over and flush little Ryder back along with the feces of MEA. They need to do more Milky Way and never go back to little Ryder. Bringing back Shepard, crew, and squad is one way to move forward. Did I do that right?
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 14, 2020 21:22:35 GMT
I admit that I could end up totally incorrect with this, but for now I'm going to let myself get a little irked every time I see someone (no offence intended) saying this trailer proves it is 'post-Destroy'. What about: Destroy ---> Shepard 'dies', but is back, perhaps enjoys his time with others if highest EMS, but something extends his life a long time (or otherwise stasis) and he seems very strange, very not himself and isolated as he rushes off to destroy Reapers again. Some Reapers are back because the hardware was never utterly destroyed. Like with Geth, they're fully available to get rebuilt. Control ---> 'Catalyst' exists, but centuries later, something breaks down, forcing a scattering of Reapers and 'Catalyst' Shepard to come back down to Earth. Liara smiles because seeing this entity (person?) destroy Reapers, including N7 on their armor as a nice connection to Legion, provides hope that this entity is closer to the Shepard she knew than one might assume. Synthesis ---> Connection is made between synthetics and organics. But while the peace lasts (and in some form, it is forged from all endings; whether say Geth are 2.0 rebuilt, or Shepalyst enforces it), outside and some inside factors destabilize the very exploitable status of the galaxy anyway, so it breaks down, resulting in offscreen events that debilitate connections within the galaxy. A figure in Shepard form can return, of course he can, its literally shown in the EC slides with Kenji and Kasumi. It won't be the one we knew. Thus again, the smile from Liara as she is reassured she's on the right track if this figure is still this Shep-like. Refuse ---> Same as Shep Dies ME2. Alternate canon that may never get followup, aka unimportant, other than a few tidbits that might inform us about a thing or two by exploring that option (like ME2 showing a bit more insidiousness of TIM). All of this largely providing the start of the bigger plot, like Ferelden Mages/Templars did for DAI. It can both be true that Reapers (even potentially renamed and behaving differently) are quite present, while the big bad is something else. It won't be the exact same as the Geth 'demotion', of course, but of a similar designed nature in terms of follow-up games. All ME3 endings had a dream of the future. Destroy was more material, but it didn't have a certainty that everything will stay rebuilt and fine. Control was more determined, but just because a new Catalyst says something will happen, doesn't mean it stays that way. Synthesis was creepily idealistic, but just accomplishing some of the goals of it doesn't mean that every concept of it is achieved immediately. We get a mostly post-Destroy world, with post-Control aspects, and post-Synthesis concepts at play. The latter is especially if we get news that MEA is more involved, since Angaran technopathy and SAM units would certainly could come more into play. Stuff in the Milky Way will evolve, while - and this is a very RPG series thing and was just as recently done by CP2077 - a lot of it will devolve into easier-to-develop-for ruin, due to an offscreen event or phenomenon (Scourge?). EDIT: If anyone is sick of the concept of Shepard returning, I get you. But the idea here is that its not Shepard, its the final ghost of him that we have a more engaging goodbye with, as the series scope gradually expands into other things - some of it potentially a movement on MEA concepts - over the course of the game. You can not like that as well, it just isn't the same as it just being Shepard. At earliest, he died at the Citadel. At latest, there could be inserted nods at living to some extent for years or more afterwards, but something clicking on, hijacking the body, and arguably no longer being the Shepard we knew. In any case of this idea, its quite literally Not Our Shepard but a vehicle to tell a story of what N7 will become, that MEA waffled too much with. I agree with ya so no flaming here other than Leria and grunt who could still be alive Shep and crew are dust so for me if Bioware writers say nothing while they are setting up the story so what ending is used? who cares a bunch of dead reapers doesn't mean destroy hell as far as anyone knows like war of the worlds they died of a farting cold
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 15, 2020 11:31:55 GMT
That's a bit like saying in the real Star Wars, Darth Vader let Palpatine zap Luke to death instead of killing the Emperor, but it just didn't happen in the universe they showed everyone. I don't follow. There aren't alternate versions of RotJ. What does "canon" mean in this context, beyond describing the things that the particular Shepard who existed in the ME5 timeline did? Canon in this context means "truth of the story" essentially. If BioWare do a direct sequel to ME3 and make Destroy the ending in which that sequel takes place. Then as a result, that ending is the canon ending. Whichever EMS value they decide on as well. While all of the endings (even High EMS Destroy vs Low EMS Destroy) all have different slideshows of what happens afterwards. They would no longer be the "real" ending due to them not being coherent with leading into the next chapter to the story. Many people would like to argue that it is just BioWare extending the story in that "parallel universe" or that "version of how it ended," including me to an extent if they decide on a really low-EMS destroy. But ultimately what it means is if you want to have a coherent story from start to finish, you'd have to chose Destroy, which would make it canon. As much as I know I'm in the minority and even though I don't believe it will happen. I'd love to see another story about "The Shepard". So I'm personally hoping for a mid-ems destroy ending or just high enough where Shepard lives. (too high ems would cheapen the cost of the Reaper war). And then I'm hoping that instead of going down the "those other endings are okay if you want to choose them" path, they reveal it was all indoctrination in Shepard's brain and that you never left the control room with Anderson. Making Destroy the only real choice to break the indoctrination.
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Post by 10k on Dec 15, 2020 12:44:15 GMT
As much as I would love to see a return of Shepard. It's obvious they are using his likeness to get fans hyped, especially with the remaster arriving some time next year. The most I expect is returning to the milkyway galaxy, which is a major plus if correct. But otherwise I think the main protagonist will be a no name rookie, like we had in Andromeda.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 15, 2020 13:25:44 GMT
I think the main protagonist will be a no name rookie, like we had in Andromeda. I think so too. We'll see if Liara alone is enough to drive up sales, because I can't see ME fans getting hyped for that.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Dec 15, 2020 13:30:20 GMT
I think the main protagonist will be a no name rookie, like we had in Andromeda. I think so too. We'll see if Liara alone is enough to drive up sales, because I can't see ME fans getting hyped for that. Liara's presence in the next game alone means that some endings have been invalidated. And anytime a Mass Effect 3 ending gets invalidated I get Goosebumps. Not gonna lie, it's probably enough for me.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 15, 2020 13:38:40 GMT
I don’t agree that our protagonist will necessarily be a ‘rookie’. Although unless they’ll go with Ryder or Shepard, it’s obvious that we’d get a ‘no name’ protagonist. I don’t think the game will necessarily do bad without Shepard. It depends on the quality of the game...as well as how polished it’ll be. Maybe/probably Andromeda wouldn’t have become as popular as the trilogy (which was built on three games, anyway), but the criticism and sales were greatly affected by the state of the game.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 15, 2020 13:42:40 GMT
Also, I am a ME fan that, to this day, haven’t played Andromeda with the exception of the free trial. I’d be interested in a ME game with a new protagonist, if it’s well made and polished. I don’t think Shepard is needed for a ME game to be successful...although if they find a reasonable reason to bring back Shepard, I’m not against a new game with him. Or Ryder, for the matter. The actual quality of the game is what it’s more important to me (and the fact that it’s not an Anthem-based game), although it’s undeniable, at least to me, that hype around the teaser is for a great part due Liara’s presence and the assumption for many that Shep will be back.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 15, 2020 14:03:53 GMT
I'd be personally hoping for something more than Liara, for a second time, outside of the trilogy, to be honest. I mean, basically, their solution to Andromeda was "up the Liara content" for the next game. And if this fails, maybe we can hope for even more Liara in the next game. And if that fails, maybe we can get an entire game about Liara. And I get that Liara is popular and a lot of people liked her, she got like 30% of all romances, right? But there was more to ME than just Liara. Like the two laughing biotics in my avatar. Or a redheaded secretary/psychologist we had on board for all of 1 game, for my boy, Hanako Ikezawa. And Suvi, too.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 15, 2020 14:25:54 GMT
I don’t think Shepard is needed for a ME game to be successful...although if they find a reasonable reason to bring back Shepard, I’m not against a new game with him. It wouldn't be hard to have Shepard return for another game. Going by the teaser, it looks like Bioware chose red to be canon. Here's one way Shepard can return. I even posted a possible trailer Bioware could use. I'm no fan of Ryder, but if he/she were to return, it could be about him/her traveling to another cluster seeking help to deal with the kett. The kett remain a threat even though Meridian is in the hands of the Initiative.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 15, 2020 14:31:39 GMT
I'd be personally hoping for something more than Liara, for a second time, outside of the trilogy, to be honest. I mean, basically, their solution to Andromeda was "up the Liara content" for the next game. And if this fails, maybe we can hope for even more Liara in the next game. And if that fails, maybe we can get an entire game about Liara. And I get that Liara is popular and a lot of people liked her, she got like 30% of all romances, right? But there was more to ME than just Liara. Like the two laughing biotics in my avatar. Or a redheaded secretary/psychologist we had on board for all of 1 game, for my boy, Hanako Ikezawa . And Suvi, too. I do agree with that sentiment, and if Liara is the only thing they’d basically bring in from the trilogy, I’m going to criticize it. Especially if they’ll go through a canonize path, because there’s at least another character they could bring back from the trilogy, in the case of hundreds of years of passing. But it doesn’t mean the game will necessarily be bad or not feel like a ME game. Likewise, even if they’d bring back Shepard and crew, the game could be great, good, decent, bad or horrible. Their presence isn’t a guarantee of a good game. Now, we can discuss that, if the NME has basically only Liara in it from the trilogy, that the teaser clearly draw people to assume otherwise, especially with the N7 piece, but that’s another argument. I already said somewhere that if this is the case, the reaction won’t be pretty. I get the frustration about Liara, even if I like her as a character. I have quite a few characters that I liked more then her, one included in your avatar. I can also, though, understand why they used her to tease the game. She’s among the top recognizable characters in the franchise, as well as popular, and if they’re truly going the centuries forward route, the clear choice to place in this kind of teaser, since she’s more popular then Grunt. The teaser was clearly made with the intention of hyping up the trilogy fans, and even if they might not like Liara, her presence along the N7 piece was obviously going to excite people. I’m, willing to wait and see what the game will be about. I think it’s fair, and better then having overly optimistic views. Expecting the worst is also good to not be disappointed later on, but the teaser had nothing to make me fear the worst.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 15, 2020 14:34:21 GMT
I don’t think Shepard is needed for a ME game to be successful...although if they find a reasonable reason to bring back Shepard, I’m not against a new game with him. It wouldn't be hard to have Shepard return for another game. Going by the teaser, it looks like Bioware chose red to be canon. Here's one way Shepard can return. I even posted a possible trailer Bioware could use. I'm no fan of Ryder, but if he/she were to return, it could be about him/her traveling to another cluster seeking help to deal with the kett. The kett remain a threat even though Meridian is in the hands of the Initiative. The problem isn’t the (likely?) canonization. It’s the fact that Liara appears much older. I don’t think she’d appear that old in Shepard’s timeline. There are ways to make a story work for either former protagonists, true. I’m simply open to all possibilities, provided that they’re well written and worked on.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 15, 2020 15:06:17 GMT
Also, I am a ME fan that, to this day, haven’t played Andromeda with the exception of the free trial. I’d be interested in a ME game with a new protagonist, if it’s well made and polished. I don’t think Shepard is needed for a ME game to be successful...although if they find a reasonable reason to bring back Shepard, I’m not against a new game with him. Or Ryder, for the matter. The actual quality of the game is what it’s more important to me (and the fact that it’s not an Anthem-based game), although it’s undeniable, at least to me, that hype around the teaser is for a great part due Liara’s presence and the assumption for many that Shep will be back. I don't understand the point of introducing another character, when there is that much of a demand for either Shepard, especially Shepard, or Ryder. Like, they could go the DA route and introduce a new protagonist each time, but I don't think it's working out for them that well. The promise of Liara and possibly Shepard returning is doing wonders for ME. Look at the interest behind the DA teaser and the ME teaser. And it's true, there's nothing that the DA teaser could have shown that would have matched the hype. That's not a plus. It just goes to show that there is no hype going for this game/franchise. Which shows a problem with the approach Bioware gave to these games.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 15, 2020 15:11:02 GMT
It wouldn't be hard to have Shepard return for another game. Going by the teaser, it looks like Bioware chose red to be canon. Here's one way Shepard can return. I even posted a possible trailer Bioware could use. I'm no fan of Ryder, but if he/she were to return, it could be about him/her traveling to another cluster seeking help to deal with the kett. The kett remain a threat even though Meridian is in the hands of the Initiative. The problem isn’t the (likely?) canonization. It’s the fact that Liara appears much older. I don’t think she’d appear that old in Shepard’s timeline. There are ways to make a story work for either former protagonists, true. I’m simply open to all possibilities, provided that they’re well written and worked on. Appearing older doesn't mean she is. Besides it only shows part of her face just enough for the player to know it's her. Until her whole face is shown, I'm not going to worry about the looking older part.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 15, 2020 15:16:41 GMT
The problem isn’t the (likely?) canonization. It’s the fact that Liara appears much older. I don’t think she’d appear that old in Shepard’s timeline. There are ways to make a story work for either former protagonists, true. I’m simply open to all possibilities, provided that they’re well written and worked on. Appearing older doesn't mean she is. Besides it only shows part of her face just enough for the player to know it's her. Until her whole face is shown, I'm not going to worry about the looking older part. She was a young adult in MET, in the trailer she has grandma level wrinkles. She is way older, even Samara didn't have that level of wrinkles and she was almost 1000 years old.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 15, 2020 15:35:54 GMT
Also, I am a ME fan that, to this day, haven’t played Andromeda with the exception of the free trial. I’d be interested in a ME game with a new protagonist, if it’s well made and polished. I don’t think Shepard is needed for a ME game to be successful...although if they find a reasonable reason to bring back Shepard, I’m not against a new game with him. Or Ryder, for the matter. The actual quality of the game is what it’s more important to me (and the fact that it’s not an Anthem-based game), although it’s undeniable, at least to me, that hype around the teaser is for a great part due Liara’s presence and the assumption for many that Shep will be back. I don't understand the point of introducing another character, when there is that much of a demand for either Shepard, especially Shepard, or Ryder. Like, they could go the DA route and introduce a new protagonist each time, but I don't think it's working out for them that well. The promise of Liara and possibly Shepard returning is doing wonders for ME. Look at the interest behind the DA teaser and the ME teaser. And it's true, there's nothing that the DA teaser could have shown that would have matched the hype. That's not a plus. It just goes to show that there is no hype going for this game/franchise. Which shows a problem with the approach Bioware gave to these games. I don’t think the reason behind DA not doing well as much to do with a new protagonist and new characters (you can argue previous ones are better then new ones, but that’d a problem with the writing team, which, by this logic, could also ruin older ones). I do understand your opinion on new vs new protagonist and crew, and there are certainly merits with returning ones, expecially in regards of ME. All I’m saying is that a new protagonist or crew don’t mean the game will necessarily be bad or not feel like a ME game. Regardless of those, the main issue is the devs making a good, polished games. A game with Shep and old crew will still be bad and receive a bad reception if it’ll be released in a state as Andromeda was.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 15, 2020 15:47:28 GMT
Likewise, even if they’d bring back Shepard and crew, the game could be great, good, decent, bad or horrible. Their presence isn’t a guarantee of a good game. It's more than likely to be a mediocre game, regardless of who is in it. And that's OK. I find that all AAA games are just mediocre experiences. But some mediocre experiences have less going for them than others, depending on who is behind them, as a studio, or what would someone expect of them, as experiences. And admittedly people's expectations of a Bioware game, right now at least, aren't on par with CDPR, or Rockstar, or Respawn, or Treyarch etc. etc. Now, we can discuss that, if the NME has basically only Liara in it from the trilogy, that the teaser clearly draw people to assume otherwise, especially with the N7 piece, but that’s another argument. I already said somewhere that if this is the case, the reaction won’t be pretty. That's true. Because it would be heavily misleading. I get the frustration about Liara, even if I like her as a character. I have quite a few characters that I liked more then her, one included in your avatar. Yeah. I miss her terribly, too. Both of them, together, have such an amazing dynamic to bounce off each other that shelving them after just one game is so not funny, it's downright criminal. I want a buddy-cop type of adventure with the two of them. I can also, though, understand why they used her to tease the game. She’s among the top recognizable characters in the franchise, as well as popular, and if they’re truly going the centuries forward route, the clear choice to place in this kind of teaser, since she’s more popular then Grunt. But also, there's no reason to have Liara, other than her in-franchise "star power", which they already used once, in Andromeda. There are other people in Mass Effect, besides Liara. Like, I get the importance, but it's going to be 500-600 years since ME3. Somebody else could have arisen to do the job. The reason Liara is back, is to have Liara back and nobody else. The teaser was clearly made with the intention of hyping up the trilogy fans, and even if they might not like Liara, her presence along the N7 piece was obviously going to excite people. The trailer itself promises certain expectations. If it doesn't prove them right, then there's going to be a lot of complaints. But Bioware doesn't seem to care. Initial reaction was positive and, well, technically, they aren't lying. Liara is "clearly" depicted old in the trailer and Shepard is not there, so it was wrong of us to expect Shepard back. In spite of what the trailer may or may not have alluded to. So, you see, it's us, the toxic gamers fault, for ditching what Bioware wants to serve us. I’m, willing to wait and see what the game will be about. I think it’s fair, and better then having overly optimistic views. Expecting the worst is also good to not be disappointed later on, but the teaser had nothing to make me fear the worst. I don't fear the worst. I know what to expect, but I don't think Bioware are aware of what they've done. They've got a problem in their hands.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 15, 2020 16:15:55 GMT
I don’t think the reason behind DA not doing well as much to do with a new protagonist and new characters (you can argue previous ones are better then new ones, but that’d a problem with the writing team, which, by this logic, could also ruin older ones). I do understand your opinion on new vs new protagonist and crew, and there are certainly merits with returning ones, expecially in regards of ME. All I’m saying is that a new protagonist or crew don’t mean the game will necessarily be bad or not feel like a ME game. Regardless of those, the main issue is the devs making a good, polished games. A game with Shep and old crew will still be bad and receive a bad reception if it’ll be released in a state as Andromeda was. That's not what I'm arguing. You can make the best game in the world, that nobody cares to play. You need to give people a reason to play their games. Low interest translates to low sales, or low initial sales regardless of quality. And a publisher/developer depends on high initial sales. The longer a product remains on a shelf, the less revenue it produces for the publisher. I also understand that a decade ago, the name Bioware on a box, would have been enough to sell anything. Evidently, this isn't the case anymore. Market appeal is currently low for DA and ME only has so much market appeal, because of Liara's return and allusions to Shepard. And that's great for ME, but it also shows Bioware that people want this. Do you think that if they showed some nobody, the reaction would have been similar? Of course you don't, it's a rhetorical question.
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