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Post by Ravenfeeder on Nov 20, 2022 11:27:07 GMT
Something occurred to me whilst playing MEA. The observations of Andromeda were done using a Geth installation 'in deep space'. This means there were Geth outside of the Milky Way so even if Shepard hit 'Destroy' there could be enough left to be a faction in MENext.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 7:31:47 GMT
Something occurred to me whilst playing MEA. The observations of Andromeda were done using a Geth installation 'in deep space'. This means there were Geth outside of the Milky Way so even if Shepard hit 'Destroy' there could be enough left to be a faction in MENext. Is it possible that Legion would have "reached them" in time, provided you chose to let Legion "go" to the Geth? Not that I wouldn't be interested in communicating with a "more Alien" Geth... Thinking about it, I'm not sure if I would prefer Geth with or without Legion's influence. I love Legion as a character, but we didn't need Space Jesus and Robot Space Jesus in the same movie. So, I am conflicted. But I like this idea. Still prefer a retcon (StarBrat lied) but this isn't terrible because it fits lore.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 24, 2022 12:27:41 GMT
As I posted in the past. Did Legion know about the telescope? If so, why not mention that to Shepard? Or is the reason because the telescope never existed until plot demanded it to be there? I bring it up because, it would have made a nice side mission for Shepard to infiltrate the relay. It could be used to find out where the reapers are. Though it would be nearly impossible to find them. Or it could have been repurposed to use as a weapon against the reapers. Did the red wave damage the relay at all? If not, will it play a role in ME4?
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Post by hulluliini on Nov 25, 2022 9:44:28 GMT
As I posted in the past. Did Legion know about the telescope? If so, why not mention that to Shepard? Or is the reason because the telescope never existed until plot demanded it to be there? I bring it up because, it would have made a nice side mission for Shepard to infiltrate the relay. It could be used to find out where the reapers are. Though it would be nearly impossible to find them. Or it could have been repurposed to use as a weapon against the reapers. Did the red wave damage the relay at all? If not, will it play a role in ME4? Naturally he didn't mention it because it wasn't invented until BW started working on Andromeda. But thinking about it in-universe, why would Legion mention it to Shepard? We know he is capable of holding back information. Perhaps he didn't trust Shepard enough just yet (reasonable, given some Shepards go on to prevent him from uploading Reaper code). Or he just didn't think it was relevant.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 25, 2022 10:01:45 GMT
As I posted in the past. Did Legion know about the telescope? If so, why not mention that to Shepard? Or is the reason because the telescope never existed until plot demanded it to be there? I bring it up because, it would have made a nice side mission for Shepard to infiltrate the relay. It could be used to find out where the reapers are. Though it would be nearly impossible to find them. Or it could have been repurposed to use as a weapon against the reapers. Did the red wave damage the relay at all? If not, will it play a role in ME4? Naturally he didn't mention it because it wasn't invented until BW started working on Andromeda. But thinking about it in-universe, why would Legion mention it to Shepard? We know he is capable of holding back information. Perhaps he didn't trust Shepard enough just yet (reasonable, given some Shepards go on to prevent him from uploading Reaper code). Or he just didn't think it was relevant. Or he just told Shepard offscreen, similar to all other mentions of the Andromeda Initiative like from news, Liara, etc. But yeah, the reason it is never mentioned in the Shepard Trilogy is because it was thought up after those games came out.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 4, 2022 5:20:57 GMT
Maybe Spectre Force 10?... Doubtful...
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Post by garruscalibrator on Dec 7, 2022 18:32:08 GMT
Something I have had in my mind since the Will Continue poster was uploaded on N7 Day last year is that there might me an Angara head in the crater. I cut it out and apply an "Drawing Sketch" filter on it. That kind of filter makes the details get more visible. This is the result
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 12, 2022 10:23:16 GMT
Something I have had in my mind since the Will Continue poster was uploaded on N7 Day last year is that there might me an Angara head in the crater. I cut it out and apply an "Drawing Sketch" filter on it. That kind of filter makes the details get more visible. This is the result Interesting. There's also another one in the poster which is more visible.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 12, 2022 17:41:30 GMT
Something I have had in my mind since the Will Continue poster was uploaded on N7 Day last year is that there might me an Angara head in the crater. I cut it out and apply an "Drawing Sketch" filter on it. That kind of filter makes the details get more visible. Not a bad catch at all. I would like to add that aside from the obvious Geths we know are in the picture. Especially the two that have been found -also including the overarching one -which may actually be something different. I see two other things that may not actually be there but here they are anyway... First for a reiteration of the picture: It could be either a crashed Mass Relay. Or maybe a modified Mass Relay capable of an Andromeda Jump? The more aberrant thing since we are dealing with Mass Effect here is that it is representative of a wormhole... but to where? Just look at this MEA wormhole: Is there not a similarity there? Sure the image is darker but could that not just mean the wormhole is going a lot farther -through dark space even. Probably nothing to this though just speculation but that is the name of the thread. Please feel free to hate -I am used to it by now.
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Post by hulluliini on Dec 14, 2022 11:59:50 GMT
Considering the level of reaching required here, is there precedent of Bioware actually including hints this vague in any prior teaser art, for any of their games? Has anyone done a post-analysis on teaser posters after a game was released to determine what was an actual hint and what was speculation?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 15, 2022 19:17:23 GMT
Considering the level of reaching required here, is there precedent of Bioware actually including hints this vague in any prior teaser art, for any of their games? Has anyone done a post-analysis on teaser posters after a game was released to determine what was an actual hint and what was speculation? Ok... Time for me to heat this up. Aside from the multiple endings of ME3 that Casey said was true and people loathed him over it. Well guess what he was right. ME3 did have multiple endings. Wait... you do know ME3 has multiple endings right? No not just the primary color ones. You have to be technical about it though to see them. How? Well you have to include the companion endings as endings. Does that change the hurt the actual ending would give those who didn't have the EC and didn't like the way it did end originally -No. So maybe that statement from Hudson is one of the first precedent. Still I digress... social media -as much as I abhor it -has been an great equalizer -almost putting social network websites into mediocrity -we will hold the line nevertheless. Still if you can get the devs like say Michael Gamble actually talking to the fans directly. Though he seems to like to pull legs it seems -or is that Mr. Walters? Eh what do I care. I don't think they have out right lied yet? At least some grain of truth has been stated. Could it be hype? Sure. Could some be false? Maybe. Its speculation to know otherwise unless we gain telepathy and read the developers thoughts till its actually released. Thus to speculate gives us hope for the best but in retaliation we should plan for the worst.
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Post by hulluliini on Dec 16, 2022 8:10:22 GMT
Considering the level of reaching required here, is there precedent of Bioware actually including hints this vague in any prior teaser art, for any of their games? Has anyone done a post-analysis on teaser posters after a game was released to determine what was an actual hint and what was speculation? Ok... Time for me to heat this up. Aside from the multiple endings of ME3 that Casey said was true and people loathed him over it. Well guess what he was right. ME3 did have multiple endings. Wait... you do know ME3 has multiple endings right? No not just the primary color ones. You have to be technical about it though to see them. How? Well you have to include the companion endings as endings. Does that change the hurt the actual ending would give those who didn't have the EC and didn't like the way it did end originally -No. So maybe that statement from Hudson is one of the first precedent. Still I digress... social media -as much as I abhor it -has been an great equalizer -almost putting social network websites into mediocrity -we will hold the line nevertheless. Still if you can get the devs like say Michael Gamble actually talking to the fans directly. Though he seems to like to pull legs it seems -or is that Mr. Walters? Eh what do I care. I don't think they have out right lied yet? At least some grain of truth has been stated. Could it be hype? Sure. Could some be false? Maybe. Its speculation to know otherwise unless we gain telepathy and read the developers thoughts till its actually released. Thus to speculate gives us hope for the best but in retaliation we should plan for the worst. I'm not talking about them "lying" in interviews or on Twitter. I mean that it's very unlikely, IMO, that this poster here was intended to portray an Angara head. But I suppose it's within the realm of possibilities - so I'm wondering if we've had teaser art/stuff for the previous games where someone had a really wild theory - such as the angara head here - and it turned out to be an actual hint. But to your point about Casey, I think it's a bit disingenous to claim that there are multiple endings when many of those endings require incomplete playthroughs when we know that many fans want to play all the content a game has to offer.
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Post by mtheillusive on Dec 17, 2022 21:10:57 GMT
A standout clue via the SFX/Mudskipper ships...
They are NOT Alliance ships as far as we can tell. Nor similar to any known Turian or Asari ships. At least not from the era that we know of.
That means the ship/s are most likely separate from the military. So either explorers, mercs, black ops, Shadow Broker crew, or possibly Spectres (who have to get their own ish lol)
It's important because that means that unlike ME1, 2, and 3 (which to be honest is like Cal of Duty, COD Black Ops and COD World at War respectively haha), it may not be a traditional military story game (even if you are shooting things)
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 17, 2022 21:27:24 GMT
It's important because that means that unlike ME1, 2, and 3 (which to be honest is like Cal of Duty, COD Black Ops and COD World at War respectively haha), it may not be a traditional military story game (even if you are shooting things)Yes, please. Not another military/war soldier centered game! Also: More roleplaying, less shooting.
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 18, 2022 11:16:45 GMT
One of the big dissonances of MEA was the protagonist talking like a young inexperienced person in the dialogues and then killing things like battle hardened veteran during actual combat gameplay. If they play like soldiers make them talk like soldiers. If you don't want them to be soldiers don't make them play like soldiers. Just pick what you want the protagonist to be and then frigging stick to it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2022 18:21:53 GMT
One of the big dissonances of MEA was the protagonist talking like a young inexperienced person in the dialogues and then killing things like battle hardened veteran during actual combat gameplay. If they play like soldiers make them talk like soldiers. If you don't want them to be soldiers don't make them play like soldiers. Just pick what you want the protagonist to be and then frigging stick to it. Ding ding ding! Winner. Ryder is a very uneven/inconsistent/hard to reconcile character. For this reason, and is the heart of most people's real complaint about the character. If the key selling point of the game is fluid combat (what so many claim to love about MEA), don't make your protagonist go from zero to hero with scaled enemies everywhere. Start your protagonist like Shep started as a protagonist, or... make a weird dating sim?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 18, 2022 18:53:27 GMT
One of the big dissonances of MEA was the protagonist talking like a young inexperienced person in the dialogues and then killing things like battle hardened veteran during actual combat gameplay. If they play like soldiers make them talk like soldiers. If you don't want them to be soldiers don't make them play like soldiers. Just pick what you want the protagonist to be and then frigging stick to it. Oh please. I’ve seen so many soldiers who talk and act in ways that make Ryder look like an old sage in comparison.
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 18, 2022 21:39:30 GMT
One of the big dissonances of MEA was the protagonist talking like a young inexperienced person in the dialogues and then killing things like battle hardened veteran during actual combat gameplay. If they play like soldiers make them talk like soldiers. If you don't want them to be soldiers don't make them play like soldiers. Just pick what you want the protagonist to be and then frigging stick to it. Oh please. I’ve seen so many soldiers who talk and act in ways that make Ryder look like an old sage in comparison. Yes maybe, but that wasn't my point. At the core of MEA's story was the fact that the Ryders were inexperienced and were put into their father's footsteps suddenly and without much preparation. They weren't some elite soldiers masquerading as junior pathfinders. They were truly new to the job, but they still played like a bunch of bad ass N7s when the shooting started. That's the dissonance I was referring to.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 18, 2022 22:35:05 GMT
Oh please. I’ve seen so many soldiers who talk and act in ways that make Ryder look like an old sage in comparison. Yes maybe, but that wasn't my point. At the core of MEA's story was the fact that the Ryders were inexperienced and were put into their father's footsteps suddenly and without much preparation. They weren't some elite soldiers masquerading as junior pathfinders. They were truly new to the job, but they still played like a bunch of bad ass N7s when the shooting started. That's the dissonance I was referring to. And I’ve seen many best of the best soldiers still act in ways that make Ryder seem like a sage in comparison. As for fighting, it’s amazing how combat can bestow decades of prowess onto someone due to things like instinct, adrenaline, etc. We see this countless times throughout history not just in combat but any tense situation. Plus remember that a lot of it was thanks to SAM, with the ending showing Ryder’s growth since they no longer needed that boost to be the heroes they were.
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 18, 2022 23:24:03 GMT
Yes maybe, but that wasn't my point. At the core of MEA's story was the fact that the Ryders were inexperienced and were put into their father's footsteps suddenly and without much preparation. They weren't some elite soldiers masquerading as junior pathfinders. They were truly new to the job, but they still played like a bunch of bad ass N7s when the shooting started. That's the dissonance I was referring to. And I’ve seen many best of the best soldiers still act in ways that make Ryder seem like a sage in comparison. As for fighting, it’s amazing how combat can bestow decades of prowess onto someone due to things like instinct, adrenaline, etc. We see this countless times throughout history not just in combat but any tense situation. Plus remember that a lot of it was thanks to SAM, with the ending showing Ryder’s growth since they no longer needed that boost to be the heroes they were. Mhm, I'll concede the SAM argument. That's a good one. I haven't played in a while so I don't remember if SAM was just a voice in Ryder's head or could actively control Ryder's body. I do remember that SAM kinda reconfigured Ryder's skills so it's a good point. I was a soldier and I experienced adrenaline myself though. It doesn't really teach you anything about combat, it just suppresses pain for about an hour and lets you keep going as long as, shall we say, your body is still structurally sound enough to do so. But once it wears off you're in a world of hurt. And actual training and experience is very important for combat troops. Loss of veteran troops is a big problem for any fighting force because it takes so much time and effort to train capable soldiers. It's not easy to teach people to remain calm and keep doing the right things while a bunch of automatic weapons are chewing up the countryside around them. But all that said, I still had a hard time to get into Ryder's easy going ways. After all they were not just fighting a horde of angry aliens, they also knew they would never go back home and no one would ever come to support them. I would have been too terrified to sleep.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 19, 2022 2:14:09 GMT
ah yes, the sam voice thing. Without it, little Ryder would be trying to figure out which way is up. Ryder comes across as an incompetent wimp. Whatever he/she learned in the Alliance, and from their father, a former N7, went in one ear and out the other. I do agree there are folks who are/were in the military that acted goofy at times, but when it came to training, that goofiness went out the window. They also know they wouldn't put up with the crap that little Ryder allowed in MEA. Some have said Bioware could have Ryder mature, if they're in the next game. Perhaps, but for me to believe they have, a few things would have to change.
Would I want Ryder in my unit when I was in the military? No.
If anything, Ryder needs to be sent to the Qunari to be re-educated.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 19, 2022 7:32:55 GMT
ah yes, the sam voice thing. Without it, little Ryder would be trying to figure out which way is up. Ryder comes across as an incompetent wimp. Whatever he/she learned in the Alliance, and from their father, a former N7, went in one ear and out the other. I do agree there are folks who are/were in the military that acted goofy at times, but when it came to training, that goofiness went out the window. They also know they wouldn't put up with the crap that little Ryder allowed in MEA. Some have said Bioware could have Ryder mature, if they're in the next game. Perhaps, but for me to believe they have, a few things would have to change. Would I want Ryder in my unit when I was in the military? No. If anything, Ryder needs to be sent to the Qunari to be re-educated. Better yet let the Qunari skewer pesky Ryder and take their place. Sam the ham can stay locked in the Ryder corpse. We don't need no training wheels. There its already a better story.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 17:40:15 GMT
Yes maybe, but that wasn't my point. At the core of MEA's story was the fact that the Ryders were inexperienced and were put into their father's footsteps suddenly and without much preparation. They weren't some elite soldiers masquerading as junior pathfinders. They were truly new to the job, but they still played like a bunch of bad ass N7s when the shooting started. That's the dissonance I was referring to. And I’ve seen many best of the best soldiers still act in ways that make Ryder seem like a sage in comparison. As for fighting, it’s amazing how combat can bestow decades of prowess onto someone due to things like instinct, adrenaline, etc. We see this countless times throughout history not just in combat but any tense situation. Plus remember that a lot of it was thanks to SAM, with the ending showing Ryder’s growth since they no longer needed that boost to be the heroes they were. Ok. I am not calling you a liar, but can I get some receipts here? No soldier in any leadership role that I've known, trained, or competed against, was a chucklefuck. Also.... Who are these BotB soldiers? This post... It screams "bullshit." How are you associated with such people, unless you too are one of them? You very well could be. I need to see the connection here, otherwise this post is weird humblebrag material. Disclaimer - I am not a soldier, never have been. I have trained soldiers in CQC. I have never been around any "BotB" soldiers, but I have friends that were special forces. I have never been in an armed combat situation, and have never been around any soldiers in an armed combat situation. What I know is what I know, not the whole story. These are my receipts.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 19, 2022 19:30:56 GMT
And I’ve seen many best of the best soldiers still act in ways that make Ryder seem like a sage in comparison. As for fighting, it’s amazing how combat can bestow decades of prowess onto someone due to things like instinct, adrenaline, etc. We see this countless times throughout history not just in combat but any tense situation. Plus remember that a lot of it was thanks to SAM, with the ending showing Ryder’s growth since they no longer needed that boost to be the heroes they were. Ok. I am not calling you a liar, but can I get some receipts here? No soldier in any leadership role that I've known, trained, or competed against, was a chucklefuck. Also.... Who are these BotB soldiers? This post... It screams "bullshit." How are you associated with such people, unless you too are one of them? You very well could be. I need to see the connection here, otherwise this post is weird humblebrag material. Disclaimer - I am not a soldier, never have been. I have trained soldiers in CQC. I have never been around any "BotB" soldiers, but I have friends that were special forces. I have never been in an armed combat situation, and have never been around any soldiers in an armed combat situation. What I know is what I know, not the whole story. These are my receipts. Ryder isn’t a chucklefuck either, or at least none of the ones I or many others played, so your whole argument is invalid. As for receipts, I have family, friends of family, friends, coworkers, and classmates who were soldiers. From simply grunts to special forces. Many were much more chucklefucks as you put it than Ryder.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 19, 2022 19:55:01 GMT
'Knowing soldiers' isn't really a thing people do in New Zealand (unless you're a part of that ecosystem) but Ryder didn't appear to be all shits and giggles to me.
She was young, no doubt, and that played through in the dialogue, but she got angry/scared/sad - mostly at appropriate times.
I also know nothing about life in perilous situations (although I've heard people often use humour to help with it) but 'realism' isn't really relevant here. Space magic and FTL travel already took that ship sailing on the harbour. They've been out on that water since 2007.
The delivery of Ryder's lines made some of the things she said seem more lighthearted than they were intended, though, I think. Her voice was quite high pitched. Never played Scott, so can't comment on him, but I've got 160ish hours in MEA, so I think I've got a pretty decent handle on Sarah.
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