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Post by Croatsky on Nov 8, 2023 9:23:06 GMT
I'll actually withdraw my theory that it's Liara in N7 outfit, I was pointed out that boobs on this character are too flat to be Liara's.
Interesting observation by friend of mine, but it is accurate.
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Post by Antibaar on Nov 8, 2023 9:30:14 GMT
I also think is Liara, the body style is the same, and the helmet resembles asari head.
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Post by Gileadan on Nov 8, 2023 9:34:34 GMT
Liara's (or most asari's) head crest most likely wouldn't fit into a human helmet.
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Post by jclosed on Nov 8, 2023 9:47:25 GMT
I have only one hope. And that is that it's NOT that bloody Shepard again!!!! Really - I love these series through and through, but Shepard has run it's course. It's time for someone new and fresh. If they raise that Shepard again from the death, I simply drop these whole series. Raising Shepard again would turn Mass Effect into a terrible cheap horror zombie movie. And I hate zombie movies where the same bag of garbage comes back, again and again, and again... For all that's sacred. Please give us a new fresh untainted person. This is really a turning point for me. If a new person without a past that's repeating the same old, same old is given to us, I happily play the game. However - If that rusty, deteriorated, corroded and outdated undead character gets dugged out of the garbage bin AGAIN, I drop these series like a hot bug-infested stinky potato (to be clear - I don't hate the Shepard character. I only hate when that character is coming back again and again. I think it's a cheap trick). So - I guess this it the turning point. Will this be a new game to look forward to? Will it be something to forget as soon as possible?
Only time will tell...
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 8, 2023 9:52:01 GMT
Do you think there is a connection between the N7 helmet piece Liara finds in the 2020 teaser and this character? Doesn't seem like that piece fits the outfit but they also probably hadn't designed that 3 years ago.
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 8, 2023 10:08:21 GMT
Liara's (or most asari's) head crest most likely wouldn't fit into a human helmet. I think crest of this helmet is big enough, this isn't a small helmet.
But I'd rule out Liara due to my previously mentioned post.
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Post by Gileadan on Nov 8, 2023 10:19:08 GMT
Liara's (or most asari's) head crest most likely wouldn't fit into a human helmet. I think crest of this helmet is big enough, this isn't a small helmet.
But I'd rule out Liara due to my previously mentioned post.
It's a rather small and very round helmet, including its rear side where Liara's backward pointing crest would be. Unless asari head crests are inflatable there's no way any of them could wear that. But yeah, the entire body shape is not very Liara... looks a bit too tall and slender.
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Post by ssvtbilisi on Nov 8, 2023 10:22:27 GMT
There is a reptilian face in the boot.
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 8, 2023 10:30:23 GMT
There is a reptilian face in the boot.
I can see something for sure, but I can't say it's reptile face one way or the other.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Nov 8, 2023 13:27:55 GMT
I'll actually withdraw my theory that it's Liara in N7 outfit, I was pointed out that boobs on this character are too flat to be Liara's. Interesting observation by friend of mine, but it is accurate. Or her daughter or a drell. I think they did that on purpose. It could be her but it's still up in the air on who it might be. She's gonna have a third role and that teaser perfectly aligns with the previous one so that person being her makes it more possible
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Post by Iakus on Nov 8, 2023 17:14:43 GMT
I'll actually withdraw my theory that it's Liara in N7 outfit, I was pointed out that boobs on this character are too flat to be Liara's. Interesting observation by friend of mine, but it is accurate. Or her daughter or a drell. I think they did that on purpose. It could be her but it's still up in the air on who it might be. She's gonna have a third role and that teaser perfectly aligns with the previous one so that person being her makes it more possible My guess is it's the player character, and the figure is supposed to be androgynous in appearance (much like the Inquisitor in the DAI artwork)
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Post by jrpN7 on Nov 8, 2023 17:51:02 GMT
I'm not crazy hyped over the chances that Liara is playing a larger and larger role in this next game, but I would prefer working with her with a new character than playing as Ryder again or even seeing the Andromeda crew.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 8, 2023 20:35:08 GMT
I'm not crazy hyped over the chances that Liara is playing a larger and larger role in this next game, but I would prefer working with her with a new character than playing as Ryder again or even seeing the Andromeda crew. I don't agree. I prefer her not to be in the game unless they're bringing back Shepard for ME4. I do agree about little Ryder. Even though I have no interest in playing as Ryder, I would likely get the game once it's available at the $ store
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 8, 2023 20:43:23 GMT
So it is enterally possible this is not a protagonist, but a villain for NME. Would make sense, Liara made humanity sound a bit mischievous in 2022 N7 Day encrypted audio log. I like the thought that we're the mischievous ones and Liara is working with us but at a greater distance and suspicion than in the trilogy, at least initially. The helmet makes me pray for species selection! Human, Asari, Salarian, Turian, ..Quarian? - I look up their various helmets and it doesn't seem impossible? The Daft Punkyness may be just to provide a 'unispecies' figure and armor/helmet mode that works for everyone. The figure and movements could be male or female, just coded more female than ME3's still rather male default design and MEA's unisex. (Like its much more easy for us to imagine Liara than most male characters) Current position: -Figure is next protagonist, and they're open to species selection at least in a DAI if-we-get-the-dev-time way. -We're more covert operating than ever, slipping all over the place to uncover truths and be completely below board. That's the vibe I get from the initial reveal until now. -Alliance has grown into one of the biggest, if not the biggest presence in the galactic politics, economy, and military; instead of being only a rising major power brought into prominence with the Reaper War's arrival. N7 has since evolved into a potential Spectre-like role/sub-role, in itself. The Citadel may be stationed over Earth still. If we're this N7, I can imagine we're doing something very secretive like ME1-ME2, but for the sake of a now multi-species Alliance, not whatever Council or whatever may exist. Very much a mix of previous games. -Milky Way and Andromeda explorations, stories, and cultures combine. This may even happen offscreen before this game, or in a prologue with a time jump. I have doubts an in-game arc will bother with much of this unless its what the whole game will occupy itself with. The connection between galaxies might have been more of a cancelled MEA2 thing, but I'm bracing for the story to at least be told in a novel (and maybe early ME5 summary scenes instead of just the opening lines), perhaps a book from Ryder perspective in full or in part. -Shepard's story will be addressed, and not only in the smallest handwaves or even a basic bunch of conversations that reflect some past choices. There seems to be some emphasis on Shepard mattering to this plot beyond references, the Reapers perhaps mattering too, and the MET having results with consequences, whether predictable or surprising. I'm certain there won't be 3+ separate main stories or anything so insane, and the plot has to be a unified one like any Bioware game and most RPGs, but it is a little suspicious when the ME3 endings are referred to as 'galaxies' plural. Yes, I know the easy answer as to why (a reference to our various game states), but I'll let myself dabble into multiverse theories like one Youtuber I check into. This game certainly won't be the Reaper War again, but it still might qualify as a One More Story about Shepard - and Reapers inclusive? - and closes things off more obviously and without any Breath Scenes. I do not expect to play as them, while I still consider it possible for now. We can have a story that highly integrates some Shepard history or (whatever version of a) Shepard character, while recognizing that we made ME3 choices a while ago and that we're a decade later and going for something new enough as well. IMO. Presently, I have the sense that Bioware wants to be all things: a MET 'followup', a MEA 'sequel', and yet somehow an almost hard reboot of the setting. They'll sacrifice elements of the third in order to include the first two, but I imagine that at least some DLC or the next game after will operate more with the standard that the player cares most about ME5. I'm saying even if Shepard-something is in this game, we'll be as practically done as we can be, in a continuous setting, in the game after. -Unknown to me what time this specifically takes place in, and space and relative time is complicated, but narratively, I'm figuring this will be a sequel to both MET and MEA. Now whether its years, decades, or centuries past MET for the Milky Way denizens, and whether its years or decades past MEA for the Heleus Cluster... I don't know. But they're going forward, not backward. Maybe there will be flashback levels, or flashback involved levels, or outright time travel, but it seems the basic setup is as straight sequel as they can do. And probably informally considering MEA to be ME4. Easiest guess to me is a wormhole travel from decades-to-centuries (from ME3) in MW future, to years-to-decades (from MEA) in AN future. How? I don't know, I don't care. -In the little early art shown, is the Geth back, but with clothing? Are the Angarans hanging with Milky Wayers? Has Bioware completed their asspulls to make sure Quarians and Geth are still a thing in some form (with only exceptional in-game events to reflect our choices), no matter what? Anyway, if I had make this shorter: they're going full sequel, but recognizing and following up on ME3 and MEA in probably more ways than haters of these respective games/endings would like, its a new protagonist, truly possibly species selection, super covert-ops superspy stuff, Alliance is up to things whether good or bad, secrets relating to Shepard and Reapers may be relevant instead of decidedly finished already, both galaxies are involved and their stories will advance, decrypting the truth could be a major theme.
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Post by theblackbaron on Nov 8, 2023 22:45:01 GMT
I'm fine with a new protagonist. I'm even fine with a potential 600+ year time gap (though I still don't regard that as anything remotely near confirmed, considering I do not think the blurry figure in the poster so many think is an angaran is actually an angaran). I just hope to God the main thrust of this game isn't Gamble using Liara to drag us around and make us interact with the Andromeda galaxy and its denizens because he can't let it go that his game flopped.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 9, 2023 1:19:46 GMT
I don't think the N7 is Liara since there's no room for her cartilage crests in the helmet and her chest is too flat. I also don't think it's Shepard, although Shepard may show up at some point in the game. Just like Alec Ryder was Andromeda's N7, but not the protagonist, this could be an N7 who is not the protagonist.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 9, 2023 1:33:54 GMT
There is a reptilian face in the boot. When I saw the boot all I could think was "She shops at Tommy Hilfiger?"
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Post by colfoley on Nov 9, 2023 1:56:00 GMT
I'm fine with a new protagonist. I'm even fine with a potential 600+ year time gap (though I still don't regard that as anything remotely near confirmed, considering I do not think the blurry figure in the poster so many think is an angaran is actually an angaran). I just hope to God the main thrust of this game isn't Gamble using Liara to drag us around and make us interact with the Andromeda galaxy and its denizens because he can't let it go that his game flopped. Good writers and companies that make fiction for a living tend to double down on their universe and expand upon it even the bad decisions they have made and the controversial ones, given how often things like this tends to happen to. Good writers engage in proper continuity and build off of and learn from their mistakes and continue on with it and pick up plot threads, bad writers do retcons and time skips and ways of ignoring things. And while we can sit here all day and argue on just how much Andromeda bombed or not its also quite irrelevant given the game did have its fans, I'm one of them, Andromeda was my second favorite Mass Effect game. So there is already a lot of chagrin at the idea that we won't be getting a continuition of Ryder and Cos story (whom I also preferred over Shepard as a protagonist) and them not picking up with and trying to make something of the Kett storyline, or potentially other dangling plot threads like the Benefactor. Of course we will have to see just how much of Andromeda is picked up in future games but likeliehood of no Ryder in my mind means likliehood that much of the rest won't get picked up on. From there though the least they can do is acknowledge the galaxy and at least pick up and expand on the story somehow and a lot of juicy narrative questions could be asked about the state of the Milky Way in the wake of the Reaper war a lot more can be asked about Heleus in the wake of the Kett crisis or whatever the nature of the distress call is the Milky Way is answering. Has the Andromeda Coalition advanced and has achieved some measure of peace and prosperity next to the MW which is still realing from the Reaper war? This could provide an interesting contrast to see how the two cultures have developped. Or if in the wake of Andromeda did another catastrophe hit the Iniative which has leveled the playing field and both organizations are having to rebuild? I mean second time I've referenced it but it would be horrible to just ignore Androemda like the writers of Halo has mostly done. Halo 5 was panned. Halo 5 didn't do well. Halo 5 left a bad taste in people's mouths. But Halo 5 left off on a cliffhanger with a world ending threat and the UNSC Infinity fleeing from it. So what does Halo 6 do? A significant time skip, the Infinity is apparently and randomly destroyed, and the AI doomsday plot was resolved off screen just for them to introduce another mega world ending threat. And while there were bits I liked from Halo Infinity's campaign that I have seen this represents a huge piece of bad writing and a pretty huge retcon/ throwing the baby out with the bath water and from what I have gathered looking into it people agree with me as Halo Infinite also wasn't well recieved.
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Post by hulluliini on Nov 9, 2023 10:42:52 GMT
This character can't be just any species because they don't have double-jointed legs like quarians, turians, angara and salarians. Also can't be krogan, though this is not 100% certain.
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Post by traks on Nov 9, 2023 11:02:14 GMT
This character can't be just any species because they don't have double-jointed legs like quarians, turians, angara and salarians. Also can't be krogan, though this is not 100% certain. I don't think the Mass Effect team will go the multi-species protagonist route. They always like to tell their stories out of the "how far can humanity go"-perpective and I don't think that has changed with Mike Gamble at the helm (which I'm fine with BTW, because I personally can immerse more in a human character).
If the N7 is the new protagonist, it's also clearly a hint at a human, because it's an Alliance program. I know, that in Andromeda we didn't play THE N7 and only wore that armor in reference to the older Ryder, but I think in the Milky Way it's still a thing only active N7s wear.
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Post by ClarkKent on Nov 9, 2023 15:56:28 GMT
Connecting the galaxies to me displays a lack of conviction from the writers. It shows me that the writers do want to continue expanding Andromeda, but they lack the confidence in it so they'll have it ride the coattails of it's older, more successful brother.
I would be content if Bioware did genuinely stick to their guns and expand Andromeda - but this isn't it, and it's again just running from the problem.
Andromeda was created to run away from the endings. This game seems to have been created to run away from Andromeda(and the endings)
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 9, 2023 19:10:53 GMT
I'm fine with a new protagonist. I'm even fine with a potential 600+ year time gap (though I still don't regard that as anything remotely near confirmed, considering I do not think the blurry figure in the poster so many think is an angaran is actually an angaran). I just hope to God the main thrust of this game isn't Gamble using Liara to drag us around and make us interact with the Andromeda galaxy and its denizens because he can't let it go that his game flopped. I can be in the middle here.. New protag, sure. But if you're going to call back, then really call back. So far it sounds like they will. Centuries in future maybe? Okay, but that doesn't mean the history shouldn't matter. Liara involved? I can tolerate, but yeah I really hope she's not our ME3 Hackett for example. Get her out of my face most of the time, give her better reason to exist in the narrative than ever, and maybe I'll enjoy her more. Andromeda? I don't hate the place, I just think the excuses written for us to go there (the whole 'Milky Way is BORING, go to NEW HOTNESS' is STUPID) sucked, and the setting was more half baked than most of ME1, and it felt even worse as I tried to explore the worlds but found minimal engaging lore. Yeah, so, I don't want to go all around Andromeda. If this is a 'save Milky Way by doing 90% of game in Andromeda' my interest will plummet. If its indeed a weird 'galaxies are colliding or whatever and you'll traverse both of them' then I'm open to that.
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Post by Sandetiger on Nov 9, 2023 19:21:53 GMT
I'll actually withdraw my theory that it's Liara in N7 outfit, I was pointed out that boobs on this character are too flat to be Liara's. Interesting observation by friend of mine, but it is accurate. I wouldn't necessarily agree with this. We saw flat chest plates for armor for women in ME3 (N7 operative Lee Riley, for example) and in Mass Effect: Andromeda. So it's not outside the realm of possibility. Liara as an asari was also able to wear human helmets/armor in ME1. Whether or not that is just a gameplay mechanic that doesn't follow in the lore, is up to you.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 9, 2023 19:22:25 GMT
This character can't be just any species because they don't have double-jointed legs like quarians, turians, angara and salarians. Also can't be krogan, though this is not 100% certain. I don't think the Mass Effect team will go the multi-species protagonist route. They always like to tell their stories out of the "how far can humanity go"-perpective and I don't think that has changed with Mike Gamble at the helm (which I'm fine with BTW, because I personally can immerse more in a human character).
If the N7 is the new protagonist, it's also clearly a hint at a human, because it's an Alliance program. I know, that in Andromeda we didn't play THE N7 and only wore that armor in reference to the older Ryder, but I think in the Milky Way it's still a thing only active N7s wear.
Now, I don't expect multispecies at all, but: -The appearance does seem like the first time we've seen a look that could fit multispecies. I can imagine Human, Asari, but even less so Salarian and Turian. Or that the differences in animations don't need to be so drastic, and instead more like Male vs Female (Human) Shepard/Ryder. -There's an indication that we may be more into a 'synthetic-like' story which could supercede and/or absorb into it any species stories as less relevant. -(Personal theory) Mac Walters always seemed to be the biggest cheerleader of Humanity First ('but also lets be liberal about it but still humanity first grumble grumble'), and him being not so involved just automatically encouraged me into thoughts of less human focus than before, right or wrong, applicable to Mike Gamble and everyone else, or not. There's some signature ME2-MEA things that I can't help but wonder will deemphasize with Walters just... not being in the office. Could be entirely wrong. I don't think N7 means anything for species anymore. It did in ME1, obviously. It did enough in ME2, it'd have been shocking to see otherwise. ME3 has its peripheral (MP) understanding that aliens can take temp roles in 'N7' teams, but it also ended with the seat of the galaxy right over Earth. And mattering less so but still valid, MEA was a setting that could decide to do anything else about any concept of N7. Basically, its not even a slight stretch to me now that there could be a multispecies Alliance that includes non-humans in its N7 program. I'd outright expect Earth, unless it becomes ridiculously reactionary, to host and even integrate up to many millions of non-humans and that's going to involve integration into the military. Get into the idea of this being centuries and not decades past ME3... and yeah, it can be whatever. I have doubts we'll be dealing with a highly human centric Alliance. They WILL be predominantly human, and there may be splinters that are outright supremacist, but the feeling I got of the depiction of the Reaper War is that the Alliance is going to rebuild with not just assistance, but direct relationship and membership of people galaxy-wide, even if it takes years/decades to strongly institute, and there may still be light to very heavy holdouts.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 9, 2023 19:26:47 GMT
Connecting the galaxies to me displays a lack of conviction from the writers. It shows me that the writers do want to continue expanding Andromeda, but they lack the confidence in it so they'll have it ride the coattails of it's older, more successful brother. I would be content if Bioware did genuinely stick to their guns and expand Andromeda - but this isn't it, and it's again just running from the problem. Andromeda was created to run away from the endings. This game seems to have been created to run away from Andromeda(and the endings) They always do this to some extent. Dragon Age didn't want to deal with Ferelden scale choices, so off to Kirkwall. Inquisition didn't want to immerse in the significance of previous choices, so (mostly) off to Orlais or more distant parts of Ferelden. Its very possible that this game does bother to tackle the endings, but not in the most direct terms. Then the next game goes fully into Andromeda, but not as a direct Ryder sequel. I agree it reflects a lack of confidence, but I also don't think Bioware's often had the most confidence in anything. Closest might be the Shepard Trilogy concept, but even then, reports make it sound like they were on an unknown ride, flying by the seat of their pants, not on a multi-game project of knowing all the main beats, etc.
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