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Post by Phantom on Aug 5, 2023 20:06:35 GMT
Well Everyone should be able to be indoctrinated bye the Reaper either intentional or un-intentional. Well How would players deal with them being indoctrinated? Dealing with them would be easy. At least for me. A bullet in the head solves everything. I know that and A bullet in the head solves the Indoctrinated. Some players are attached to their favorite characters. As much as I love Shepard, I would happily do that if he became indoctrinated. It is a mercy killing.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 6, 2023 17:45:10 GMT
If Shepard is indoctrinated, I would add Garrus as well. Depending on the playthrough, he can be with Shepard for nearly the entire trilogy except the Arrival dlc. And nihilistic fanwank I entertain about 'Shepard was actually a nutso that was committing atrocities without realizing it, we were only playing the virtualized feverdream of being a hero when we definitely were not', includes 'Garrus was actually the most extreme Saren-ish vigilante that follows Shepard as an indoctrinated puppy'. A big jerk. I don't believe this stuff, mind you, but its my fanfiction I play with. Like a Star Trek mirror universe revealed to us, except its the actual real ME world when the blinders get taken off. A Benezeia-ish Liara. A subservient Vega grunt. Everyone dronelike moving into the big old London beam as a part of their minds living out the ME3 fantasy/nightmare that nonetheless protects them from what the rest of their mind is committing in the real world. You know - sci fi nightmare dystopia stuff! Like the Black Mirror episode with the soldiers thinking they're fighting invading aliens when really their tech was betraying their senses and they were only killing refuges. ("Men Against Fire") This is too dark for any Bioware game and it also implies the whole trilogy or ME3 was a big fat lie, so it'll never happen. But I like imagining the darkness and how a future protagonist would face a nutso Dark Shepard!
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 6, 2023 17:48:40 GMT
If ME5 went full-bore into Reapers and Shepard and Indoctrination-Theory-ish content and the like (to many people's dismay, I understand), it'd have to be a major victory of whoever is the protagonist, to find a way to overcome or reverse Indoctrination, to some extent or with some measure of hope for the future. That'd be part of the heroism that hero does.
I'm not saying we'll come anywhere close to this kind of story, I'm just saying that if the setting is moving on by addressing MET in a new light, part of the moving on would be finding a way to treat the threats of the old, so we can care more about the new, going forward. Even if it reduces some of that cosmic horror.
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Post by mtheillusive on Aug 6, 2023 20:52:29 GMT
I was thinking of Picard, who in the latest series is basically has his entire consciousness stored into a new body. Same memories, but everything else is new.
Shepard has the potential to join the Geth consensus in ME3, as well as having their mind constantly joined with Liara at different points of the trilogy.
If Shepard comes back, theres a strong chance we'd be getting RoboShep with all memories intact. Background would be optional: A)Shep destroyed Reapers and later died, with their consciousness transfered later... B)Shep controls Reapers, and regardless of what they do with them, they get a new body... or C)Shep chooses Synthesis, and as with the others, new body is eventually created with memories intact. Hell ya might be able to fit Refuse into this as well, if another way is found to stop the Reapers or if some other ish comes up that stops them (perhaps the dark energy aging stars issue?).
Also, most choices are easy to get around, just like they did in previous games, if they want to keep all previous choices but make a new canon:
1) Genophage not cured, but someone later cures it. Or Genophage cures, Wrex killed and new one deployed. Either way, easy get around.
2) Anything can happen post ME3 to the Quarian and or Geth survivors of the war, whether its a peaceful alliance, revenge from remaining Quarians or revenge from the Geth, or a peaceful alliance that leads to a schism. Or disease, or hackers, or natural disaster... Either way, depending on time, easy get around.
3) If that one thing that said Earth was severely messed up post ME3, regardless of enging color chosen, thats possibl too. Perhaps the Turains, Salarians or even the Asari secretly planted a bomb on the planet during the final battle (like Tuchanka), and it goes off and BOOM! Adios most of humanity lol
In short, Bioware is gonna do what Bioware is gonna do, endings be damned
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Post by t4rget on Aug 19, 2023 12:45:34 GMT
I was thinking of Picard, who in the latest series is basically has his entire consciousness stored into a new body. Same memories, but everything else is new. For me Shepard's arc is over. She/he is a legend now, a story told to children but many details have been lost in time. But definitely the game will continue to explore transhumanism. There is so much material to use in order to write a story. Just top of my hat: Centuries after the Reaper War and the events of the original trilogy, the Milky Way galaxy is still recovering from the aftermath. A tentative sense of unity has emerged among its inhabitants, but the scars of the past run deep. Amidst this backdrop, an unforeseen conflict arises as the Jaardan, an ancient race of advanced AIs, make their presence known. The Jaardan, having migrated to the Milky Way via wormholes, carry with them an internal struggle that dates back to their origins. The "Ascendant" AIs seek to resurrect the organic species they once exterminated, driven by a desire for redemption. On the other hand, the "Preservers" steadfastly oppose this notion, believing that recreating their creators would undo the lessons learned from their past actions.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 24, 2023 18:54:02 GMT
After reading the blog from Bioware about the layoffs, and reading posts saying the next DA game possibly being released in 2025, I will guess the next ME game will release, at the earliest, would be March 2028. I would even go as far to say March 2029.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Aug 24, 2023 18:58:49 GMT
2030/Never.
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Post by hulluliini on Aug 25, 2023 8:28:50 GMT
Well, perhaps it's for the best. Gives time for the general audience to forget about the recent messes and to grow up some, and given that it's going to be in MW, they need all the time they can get to make the plot work.
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Post by mtheillusive on Aug 28, 2023 4:59:44 GMT
I was thinking of Picard, who in the latest series is basically has his entire consciousness stored into a new body. Same memories, but everything else is new. For me Shepard's arc is over. She/he is a legend now, a story told to children but many details have been lost in time. But definitely the game will continue to explore transhumanism. There is so much material to use in order to write a story. Just top of my hat: Centuries after the Reaper War and the events of the original trilogy, the Milky Way galaxy is still recovering from the aftermath. A tentative sense of unity has emerged among its inhabitants, but the scars of the past run deep. Amidst this backdrop, an unforeseen conflict arises as the Jaardan, an ancient race of advanced AIs, make their presence known. The Jaardan, having migrated to the Milky Way via wormholes, carry with them an internal struggle that dates back to their origins. The "Ascendant" AIs seek to resurrect the organic species they once exterminated, driven by a desire for redemption. On the other hand, the "Preservers" steadfastly oppose this notion, believing that recreating their creators would undo the lessons learned from their past actions. Honestly, in most cases I prefer for it to be over as well. But some fans just won't stop moaning about it haha On an entirely different note, something BIG just hit me. Everyone talks about whether or not the Geth can be brought back in some form as they are AI.... Well what about the StarChild? IT IS AN AI. And best believe that, with the Destroy ending, either Cerberus, STG, the Leviathans or the Asari are going to try to bring it back in a form where they can control it, and thus the Reaper remains. That would also hold true for the Control ending, if they can come up with a signal to control Shepard (perhaps using Cerberus research and expanding upon it). Or Synthesis, if there is anyone left who wasn't transformed or is heavily against it. Or even Refuse, where they do find a way to make that Cerberus signal work on a mass scale. Basically, any and all endings could be canon, and with the idea of gaining control over the Starchild AI (or Shepard AI lol), all endings can easily lead to a similar path for a new story, regardless to whether Shepard is alive or not. Will it lead to the Council Wars? A race to fix and use remaining Reaper tech, including the Mass Relays? And what about things beyond the galaxy (eg Andromeda)?
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Post by themikefest on Sept 1, 2023 12:41:14 GMT
Well what about the StarChild? IT IS AN AI. And best believe that, with the Destroy ending, either Cerberus, STG, the Leviathans or the Asari are going to try to bring it back in a form where they can control it, and thus the Reaper remains. If it's destroyed, how would anyone know about it if Shepard is dead? Even with Shepard surviving, I wouldn't want my Shepard to tell anyone he/she talked with the one controlling the reapers taking the form of a child speaking with 3 voices. I would laugh at Shepard telling him/her to get some rest or maybe become a comedian. How would Cerberus be able to bring thing back? As far as the game tells us, they no longer exist after being dealt with on Cronos? What would the asari do? Probably the same nonsense they did with hiding the artifact they had. After the events of ME3, they have bigger concerns than worrying about bringing back thing. The salarians being as smart as they are, would want nothing to do with that knowing the possible outcome especially after what happened to some of their soldiers on Virmire. I wouldn't concern myself with Levi the loser. It knows we know where it lives. My biggest concern would be Hackett. At least for dumb dumb part 2. He knows the crucible has enough energy to destroy the reapers yet it ends up with the former human called Shepard, now dumb dumb part 2, controlling the reapers? What was said to get Hackett to believe that? I wouldn't be surprised if hackett has the crucible rebuilt to destroy the reapers. What would dumb dumb part 2 do? Since dumb dumb is still around with the green, no one will be able to get access to knowing anything about thing. What I'm concerned about green is dumb dumb. Does it still control the reapers with green? If so, does it have control over the organics? I ask because their dna was changed. Would there be anyone left to do that? They might after the reapers return to darkspace, but would the signal reach that far? Bringing back thing could lead to bad things. There are plenty of examples from the trilogy why it would be a bad. Here's what I could see happening. After the events of ME3, people will want answers to why this happened and what/could have been done to prevent it from happening. There will be some who will not be satisfied with whatever explanation/answer is given. Some very wealthy people start a movement to get back at their leaders for not doing anything. Eventually this group locates to an isolated area to plan their revenge. With some in the group being very intelligent, they're able to dismantle some of the reapers to use for weapons, ships and whatever else to strike back at their governments. You play as a character to investigate this and stop whatever before anything bad happens. My thought about the geth is they come back in ME4, but as the game moves forward, they start going back to what they were before the upload. By the end of the game, they return to pre-upload. Anyways. You remember the dialogue between Anderson and Tali in ME1? The same could happen to dumb dumb. As Shepard is shooting the tube, the player sees thing disappear. What if it uploaded itself to another location? Namely darkspace. Why I say that is because of what is learned in ME1. The Citadel is a mass relay used to bring in the reapers to start the harvest. To do that, another relay is used to get them into the galaxy. What if there's a space station near the relay in darkspace? There is no way to know if the red beam reached that far. Here's what I posted about that
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Post by Spectr61 on Sept 4, 2023 16:33:58 GMT
+10 (see above)
The one good thing from all the shitty ending choices, is that those primarily responsible, Hudson and Walters, are finally gone.
Good resume fodder that - "Writer and Director, Mass Effect 3 endings."
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Sept 26, 2023 15:39:38 GMT
So has any BioWare people been confirmed among us?
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Post by Phantom on Sept 26, 2023 15:56:49 GMT
So has any BioWare people been confirmed among us? nope it is for their protection. you should know how weird we truly are. So it is a smart move to protect their identities if they are members here.
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Post by Croatsky on Oct 24, 2023 11:27:56 GMT
So has any BioWare people been confirmed among us? You mean on the site?
Some used to post here on occasion, including Mike Gamble if I recall correctly.
But I don't think any of them posted anything since 2017, after MEA release.
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 1, 2023 14:03:35 GMT
Apparently, Jeff Grubb stated BioWare intends for the Next ME game to enter full production this year.
This lines up great with the upcoming N7 Day to be revealed if true, however, I can't find it when or where Jeff said that.
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 1, 2023 14:29:03 GMT
Okay, it appears Jeff said it back in September 2021.
So it's a rather old rumor and with the recent situation in BioWare, it does make it less likely that the NME will( or had already) enter full production this year. Albeit he said in 2023, so potential delays could have still stayed within the year. Either way, we'll find out one way or another in a week.
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Post by Sandetiger on Nov 1, 2023 14:30:40 GMT
Apparently, Jeff Grubb stated BioWare intends for the Next ME game to enter full production this year. This lines up great with the upcoming N7 Day to be revealed if true, however, I can't find it when or where Jeff said that. (waves hello from BlueSky) I can do you one better and pull the source for that, dated September 3rd 2021; it was back when he speculated that it was highly likely that they would be switching to UE, which we can reasonably infer means UE5. (As a side note, I do appreciate that Jeff calls it ME5 instead of defaulting to ME4 like so many. I still prefer MEME from the Michael Gamble tweet haha) In the livestreams he did in (gosh, was it September already?) following the BioWare layoffs, he did mention explicitly that people were being pulled off the MEME development team to work on DA:D, and I think I remember him saying that it would likely be delayed, but don't quote me on that until I pull the exact quote from him.
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 1, 2023 14:36:23 GMT
Apparently, Jeff Grubb stated BioWare intends for the Next ME game to enter full production this year. This lines up great with the upcoming N7 Day to be revealed if true, however, I can't find it when or where Jeff said that. (waves hello from BlueSky) I can do you one better and pull the source for that, dated September 3rd 2021; it was back when he speculated that it was highly likely that they would be switching to UE, which we can reasonably infer means UE5. (As a side note, I do appreciate that Jeff calls it ME5 instead of defaulting to ME4 like so many. I still prefer MEME from the Michael Gamble tweet haha) This is embarrassing form me.
I knew about these tweets for BW to be working on UE5, but I absolutely missed the full development starts in 2023 part.
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Post by Sandetiger on Nov 1, 2023 14:47:09 GMT
(waves hello from BlueSky) I can do you one better and pull the source for that, dated September 3rd 2021; it was back when he speculated that it was highly likely that they would be switching to UE, which we can reasonably infer means UE5. (As a side note, I do appreciate that Jeff calls it ME5 instead of defaulting to ME4 like so many. I still prefer MEME from the Michael Gamble tweet haha) This is embarrassing form me.
I knew about these tweets for BW to be working on UE5, but I absolutely missed the full development starts in 2023 part.
It happens to the best of us! A friend of mine and I were just reviewing our research for her presentation this weekend and found a new French translation of a document we were using that upended the entire segment that source was part of LOL Following up on the Jeff Grubb comments, they come from the August 24th 2023 stream for Giant Bomb: Game Mess Mornings: no time stamps because I am not gonna recheck where I pulled the quotes from two months after the fact lol-- 1/ Grubb: "How are they gonna do that with fewer people? Well, guess what? They’re bringing people in from the Mass Effect team. The Mass Effect team is being drained a little bit so that more people can come work on Dreadwolf, and that naturally means the next Mass Effect is getting pushed further down the line as well. So don’t expect that any time soon. Most people weren’t, but push it back even further in your heads, because the next Mass Effect is definitely being affected by this, it’s gonna come out later.” 2/ Other Guy: “These folks that [didn’t get laid off] are going to have to crunch for what might be like one and a half years [on Dreadwolf], right?” Grubb: “Yeah”. Other Guy: “Who knows, even after it comes out, if it’s going to be in a good state, or an instance where a publisher is like, we just need to get this out the door.” Grubb: “I mean that happened to Mass Effect: Andromeda, it happened with Anthem.” 3/ Grubb: “Exactly. And I’ve seen responses to that, to this, because Mike Gamble is in charge of the next Mass Effect. He was one of the leaders on Anthem and Mass Effect: Andromeda. And so people are like, now I’m not excited for the next Mass Effect. And it’s like, I don’t really think it was his fault. It was clearly the leadership above him pushing those games out before they were ready.” 4/ Grubb: “So, Dragon Age: Dreadwolf, maybe next year. Next Mass Effect, after that. EA has had some success with its singleplayer games recently. Dead Space did pretty well, I think both the Star Wars Jedi games did very well. They started working on Star Wars Jedi, the third one, immediately after the second one, because they were like - that was the thing, if Jedi Survivor does well, then we’ll do a third one. And they immediately started working on it because everyone internally was like, this did well. But if you look at EA as a whole, like, their financials do look a little bit grim, and it all goes back to Apex Legends over-stating, that, and the fact that for years now Battlefield has been lost in the woods. And so Apex Legends was already covering, it was like, we’re gonna make money for ourselves, and we’re gonna cover the missing money from Battlefield. They had already done the creative accounting there. 'Creative accounting’ might sound illegal, it wasn’t illegal, they were just like, leaving out Battlefield when they were talking to investors, and being like, look how good Apex Legends is doing, and saying don’t look at the man behind the curtain which was Battlefield just floundering. So that worked, that worked for a while, and now it’s, and now they have to - Apex Legends is covering for every freaking thing here, and it’s like, it no longer is, it’s on the decline, so that, live-service games continue to be a meal ticket and it kind of continues to be a little bit of an albatross, where, as goes these one or two big games these publishers have, so goes everything, and then the studios at the bottom - you know, BioWare, studio at the bottom of EA now, it feels like, you know, 250 employees, it’s kind’ve relatively smaller, it’s gonna pay the price, and here we are.”
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Post by hulluliini on Nov 2, 2023 9:34:44 GMT
I'm glad they pulled people from the ME team to work on Dreadwolf. Hasn't it been in development for a reaallly long time?
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 7, 2023 21:41:04 GMT
So it is enterally possible this is not a protagonist, but a villain for NME. Would make sense, Liara made humanity sound a bit mischievous in 2022 N7 Day encrypted audio log.
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Post by Silvery on Nov 8, 2023 0:59:39 GMT
So this info is all from r/MassEffect on Reddit that I put together here for everyone. Here is it the teaser code from the today together with the full teaser below: /////ACCESS CODE: EPSILON /////TIME UNTIL DECRYPTION COMPLETED /////ACCESS CODE ACCEPTED /////SECONDARY ENCRYPTION DETECTED /////VJBSVU-XXXX-XXXXXXXX /////ANDROMEDA DISTRESS SIGNAL DETECTED /////YEAR SENT: [REDACTED] /////AUDIO TRANSCRIPT: ALTHOUGH THEY SHOULD KNOW BY NOW NOT TO UNDERESTIMATE HUMAN [REDACTED] /////ACCESS CODE: OCULON-2819-DEFIANCE /////TIME UNTIL DECRYPTION COMPLETED /////ACCESS CODE ACCEPTED /////TERTIARY ENCRYPTION DETECTED /////CLASSIFIED: REVIEW BRIEFING MATERIALS ON OFFICIAL ALLIANCE COMMS CHANNELS /////ACCESS CODE: POST-NEBULA /////TIME UNTIL DECRYPTION COMPLETED /////ACCESS CODE ACCEPTED: POST-NEBULA /////WARNING /////SECURITY BREACH DETECTED /////CONTACT SYSTEMS ALLIANCE /////EPSILON-OCULON-NEBULA Some notes on the above and video: - Mass Effect was almost named "The Epsilon Effect" in early development. HOWEVER, the literal definition of Epsilon is the 5th letter in Greek Alphabet. - The final word of that dialogue, believed to be the word "defiance," is redacted in this transcription. The year the transmission is sent is also redacted. Note that this part was also the decrypted message from last year's teaser spoken by Liara. - Oculon was an early development name for the Citadel. - 2819 is when Ark Leusinia, Ark Natanus, and Ark Paarchero arrived in the Heleus Cluster. - Fans are reporting seeing what looks like a krogan at the beginning of the video. Mike Gamble (Project Director / Executive Producer on ME) has confirmed the footage is in-engine and that the art director for the new game is the same from the OT. Gamble then tweeted out this teaser image (you're going to want to zoom in on it):
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 8, 2023 1:07:18 GMT
So I got an idea that Liara is infiltrating this place in N7 armour, but she's not N7 just doing espionage stuff.
It really would be a massive troll tease in such case, especially so if we are coming back to play as Ryder again.
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Post by river82 on Nov 8, 2023 4:44:45 GMT
So I got an idea that Liara is infiltrating this place in N7 armour, but she's not N7 just doing espionage stuff. It really would be a massive troll tease in such case, especially so if we are coming back to play as Ryder again. Only if they want to alienate a non-significant portion of the fanbase and leave money on the table. May as well just start anew with a different char
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Nov 8, 2023 7:58:54 GMT
So I got an idea that Liara is infiltrating this place in N7 armour, but she's not N7 just doing espionage stuff. It really would be a massive troll tease in such case, especially so if we are coming back to play as Ryder again. The boots resembles liara's back from the first teaser. Also the first thing we see are the shoes. The same was on the first teaser with liara ont the snowy planet showing them and then her face like here but it's the opposite. We don't see a face. One pointed out that the transition goes like from liara to shepard to ryder and it's interesting and something that makes sense. Liara (boots and cloak that looks like her first teaser trailer look), Shepard (n7 stripes same as their suit and the sides of their helmet with the headpiece, without having the n7 symbol here), and Ryder (glass helmet). The helmet also kinda looks like a turian design if you look at the poster, it does that oval shape). It could be her since gamble teased that she has a third role but it could also be a new pc, assuming that they don't show the face. But again it's not entirely sure who they are and he made that on purpose again. The walking at the end looks very feminine but it could be either a man or woman. The moment the character takes out the gun reminds me the one with Ryder on the first teaser trailer taking the gun out and walking towards the camera. He's mixing things from everything we've seen so far. I do hope we get to play as ryder again, assuming that was them on the 2020 teaser but idk. A lot of things can change and Michael had said twice with the recent one being this new blog post that there's gonna be new characters, stories, and places. The teases so far gives more mw vibe than andromeda. They're gonna merge both galaxies for sure but anything else is still up in the air.
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