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Post by griffith82 on Oct 13, 2018 22:15:07 GMT
Most of the milky way is unexplored, they could set it far in the future and have plenty to create a new game. Ditch andromeda and go back to the milky way That's never been the issue. The problem always comes down to the multiple endings of ME3. Which one makes it to ME5? We all have our opinions but why should one be chosen over the others? I've had the suggestion that not all of the MW is near mass relays and that would have been the perfect ME4 (skip going to Andromeda but use the same cast and general storyline set in the MW). Then, I suppose over time if need be, they could return to MW proper - assuming you didn't choose Red/Low EMS and therefore offered the "scorched Earth" ending. (Or Refuse, which is even worse.) I don't want any cannon ending. I want Andromeda finished. |
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Post by Ascend on Oct 14, 2018 2:12:55 GMT
Spoiler: 'we' lose. We are annihilated by the Reapers, because they are too strong. ME3 is just loss upon loss, with the only upside being preparations for the next cycle and hints at the Andromeda project. God, I'd love that. We already got that ending. It's called refuse. |
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 14, 2018 11:13:50 GMT
Spoiler: 'we' lose. We are annihilated by the Reapers, because they are too strong. ME3 is just loss upon loss, with the only upside being preparations for the next cycle and hints at the Andromeda project. God, I'd love that. We already got that ending. It's called refuse. And imo that's the worst ending possible. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 14, 2018 19:24:12 GMT
We already got that ending. It's called refuse. And imo that's the worst ending possible. I did propose the AI return to a decimated MW (1200 years after leaving) and rebuild everything that was lost. We know the Tempest can go very far since it was used in a cluster more massive than any seen in the MW. Agreed that refuse is the worst ending but it could play off MEA in this way. Heck, the Protheans managed to go into hiding for 50,000 years. What's a millennia or so? |
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Post by themikefest on Oct 14, 2018 20:10:29 GMT
Is refuse the worst ending? Or is the green stuff the worst?  A refuse ending could have Shepard be the main character for ME4. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 22:01:01 GMT
Is refuse the worst ending? Or is the green stuff the worst? A refuse ending could have Shepard be the main character for ME4. Only if ME4 consists of watching Shepard get harvested in the seconds following his/her refusal... shortest game ever. |
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Post by Phantom on Oct 14, 2018 22:27:10 GMT
what if we have a new Character and watch Shepard die, see a War between Leviathan vs Reaper. and this character is an unsung hero and picking up where Shepard left off. Thus stopping Leviathan and Reapers.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 15, 2018 0:30:25 GMT
Is refuse the worst ending? Or is the green stuff the worst? A refuse ending could have Shepard be the main character for ME4. Only if ME4 consists of watching Shepard get harvested in the seconds following his/her refusal... shortest game ever. So you would enjoy seeing your Shepard being harvested? I guess you don't think much of your Shepard. |
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 15, 2018 0:59:33 GMT
Only if ME4 consists of watching Shepard get harvested in the seconds following his/her refusal... dshortest game ever. So you would enjoy seeing your Shepard being harvested? I guess you don't think much of your Shepard. Shepard is dead I'm tired of this back and forth. |
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Post by themikefest on Oct 15, 2018 2:25:10 GMT
So you would enjoy seeing your Shepard being harvested? I guess you don't think much of your Shepard. Shepard is dead I'm tired of this back and forth. If Shepard is dead, why doesn't the character put up his/her nameplate during the memorial scene with ems being at/above 3100? |
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Post by natetrace on Oct 15, 2018 3:07:59 GMT
We can't have a fourth Mass Effect with Shepard. Remember Alien: Resurrection? Shepard will end up making love to a Reaper.
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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 15, 2018 4:22:55 GMT
We can't have a fourth Mass Effect with Shepard. Remember Alien: Resurrection? Shepard will end up making love to a Reaper. That's the Control ending. |
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 15, 2018 11:27:12 GMT
Shepard is dead I'm tired of this back and forth. If Shepard is dead, why doesn't the character put up his/her nameplate during the memorial scene with ems being at/above 3100? That's only in high EMS destroy. Its been confirmed that the breath scene was just an Easter egg. Also that's refusal to believe your love is dead. It happens. |
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 15, 2018 11:33:08 GMT
We can't have a fourth Mass Effect with Shepard. Remember Alien: Resurrection? Shepard will end up making love to a Reaper. Lol. Its not that bad a movie I actually like it but some of it is cringe worthy. Directors cut is better. |
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Post by themikefest on Oct 15, 2018 11:50:56 GMT
If Shepard is dead, why doesn't the character put up his/her nameplate during the memorial scene with ems being at/above 3100? That's only in high EMS destroy. Its been confirmed that the breath scene was just an Easter egg. Also that's refusal to believe your love is dead. It happens. So now you admit Shepard survives. There's even a file name saying Shepard survived. If you want to continue saying Shepard is dead, your Shepard, that's fine, but don't say he/she is dead if destroy is chosen and ems is high enough |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 12:55:11 GMT
Only if ME4 consists of watching Shepard get harvested in the seconds following his/her refusal... shortest game ever. So you would enjoy seeing your Shepard being harvested? I guess you don't think much of your Shepard. Where does my post indicate that I would enjoy such a game? Basically, my post points out that what happens after Shepard refuses was clearly indicated within the ending of ME3 (every bit as much as the "green" ending). Everyone gets harvested, including Shepard. Refusal is the "Shepard is a failure" type ending. In refusing to act, he/she is basically admitting defeat and surrendering the fate of the galaxy to the reapers. Green is better for Shepard because at least he/she dies with everyone left behind living happily ever after in Utopian peaceful coexistence. Regardless of your scruples about how such a happy state was forced upon the population of the ME Universe, the reality is that they themselves are blissfully ignorant of it having been forced upon them. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:32:56 GMT
That's only in high EMS destroy. Its been confirmed that the breath scene was just an Easter egg. Also that's refusal to believe your love is dead. It happens. So now you admit Shepard survives. There's even a file name saying Shepard survived. If you want to continue saying Shepard is dead, your Shepard, that's fine, but don't say he/she is dead if destroy is chosen and ems is high enough Regardless, Shepard eventually dies. Ryder returns 1268 years after the end of the Reaper war after having returned to cryo for the journey back... finding a galaxy that has been further changed from however Shepard left it by another, currently unknown, event. The player finds references in data logs and such that describes whatever the player decided at the end of ME3. The forward story, with now a more mature, more Shepard-like Ryder, continues in whatever direction the writers of the new game can possibly imagine. No canon ending pissing off anyone who didn't choose that ending and endless possibilities for a new story and a great game going forward. Everybody wins. |
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Post by themikefest on Oct 15, 2018 13:39:27 GMT
So you would enjoy seeing your Shepard being harvested? I guess you don't think much of your Shepard. Where does my post indicate that I would enjoy such a game? Basically, my post points out that what happens after Shepard refuses was clearly indicated within the ending of ME3 (every bit as much as the "green" ending). Everyone gets harvested, including Shepard. Refusal is the "Shepard is a failure" type ending. In refusing to act, he/she is basically admitting defeat and surrendering the fate of the galaxy to the reapers. Green is better for Shepard because at least he/she dies with everyone left behind living happily ever after in Utopian peaceful coexistence. Regardless of your scruples about how such a happy state was forced upon the population of the ME Universe, the reality is that they themselves are blissfully ignorant of it having been forced upon them. You implied you would like the game since you're the one who brought that up. Would you really spend $60 for a game that lasts for a short time only to see your Shepard being harvested?
I know refusal is Commander dumba** being...well..dumb.
The green crap may be better for your Shepard, but it isn't for mine. Destroy will always be the choice for my Shepard
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Post by themikefest on Oct 15, 2018 13:44:18 GMT
So now you admit Shepard survives. There's even a file name saying Shepard survived. If you want to continue saying Shepard is dead, your Shepard, that's fine, but don't say he/she is dead if destroy is chosen and ems is high enough Regardless, Shepard eventually dies. Ryder returns 1268 years after the end of the Reaper war after having returned to cryo for the journey back... finding a galaxy that has been further changed from however Shepard left it by another, currently unknown, event. The player finds references in data logs and such that describes whatever the player decided at the end of ME3. The forward story, with now a more mature, more Shepard-like Ryder, continues in whatever direction the writers of the new game can possibly imagine. No canon ending pissing off anyone who didn't choose that ending and endless possibilities for a new story and a great game going forward. Everybody wins. Yes Shepard would be long dead after that amount of time.
Why would I want Ryder to return to the Milky Way?
Who is everybody wins thing that you speak of? Or is it you win because that's what you want?
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Post by souljahbill14 on Oct 15, 2018 15:22:43 GMT
As I’ve said many times before, there’s nothing that can be done in the Milky Way that can’t also be done in Andromeda except a direct sequel to ME3. And there’s more to the ME3 ending than just what color beam you set off. The fate of entire species were determined before the beam and that has to be factored in as well. These aren’t minor variables like when doing an inconsequential side mission and that’s not an easy thing to just magic wand away. Some people will have no Quarians. Some will have no Geth. Some will have both. Some will have a few Krogan. Some will have a lot. Some will have Rachni. Others won’t. That’s a tough spot to start “Reaper aftermath” story.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 16:43:08 GMT
Where does my post indicate that I would enjoy such a game? Basically, my post points out that what happens after Shepard refuses was clearly indicated within the ending of ME3 (every bit as much as the "green" ending). Everyone gets harvested, including Shepard. Refusal is the "Shepard is a failure" type ending. In refusing to act, he/she is basically admitting defeat and surrendering the fate of the galaxy to the reapers. Green is better for Shepard because at least he/she dies with everyone left behind living happily ever after in Utopian peaceful coexistence. Regardless of your scruples about how such a happy state was forced upon the population of the ME Universe, the reality is that they themselves are blissfully ignorant of it having been forced upon them. You implied you would like the game since you're the one who brought that up. Would you really spend $60 for a game that lasts for a short time only to see your Shepard being harvested?
I know refusal is Commander dumba** being...well..dumb.
The green crap may be better for you Shepard, but it isn't for mine. Destroy will always be the choice for my Shepard
You're the one reading that implication into my post... failing to recognize the hint of sarcasm I intentionally put into it... shortest game ever!
I also never said that green was better "for my Shepard." My Shepard's dead... no ending is better or worse for him. Green is better base on which to build in intriguing plot for a new story... a utopia that isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 16:46:08 GMT
As I’ve said many times before, there’s nothing that can be done in the Milky Way that can’t also be done in Andromeda except a direct sequel to ME3. And there’s more to the ME3 ending than just what color beam you set off. The fate of entire species were determined before the beam and that has to be factored in as well. These aren’t minor variables like when doing an inconsequential side mission and that’s not an easy thing to just magic wand away. Some people will have no Quarians. Some will have no Geth. Some will have both. Some will have a few Krogan. Some will have a lot. Some will have Rachni. Others won’t. That’s a tough spot to start “Reaper aftermath” story. I agree... but it's the only option Bioware left themselves for continuing in the Milky Way the moment they gave players the option to choose from three (actually 4) endings to that Trilogy. Any selection of a canon "magically wands away" any other choice... and regardless of whichever one you favor or the majority favors or even Bioware favors... there are players out there who favored something else... who ended that game believing they had a choice. Declaring a canon breaks that trust. Going back to the Milky Way and making the game give an adaptive "history" of what happened through datapads that change depending on what the player selected in ME3 at least does some some "lip service" to every choice that could be made... as opposed to completely invalidating 3 out of the 4 possible choices.
Staying in Andromeda is also an option... but then that ignores fans who are particularly attached to the Milky Way as a location... just as much as abandoning Ryder ignores the fans who have become attached to Ryder as a character (and we do exist... I'm one).
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 15, 2018 17:05:44 GMT
That's only in high EMS destroy. Its been confirmed that the breath scene was just an Easter egg. Also that's refusal to believe your love is dead. It happens. So now you admit Shepard survives. There's even a file name saying Shepard survived. If you want to continue saying Shepard is dead, your Shepard, that's fine, but don't say he/she is dead if destroy is chosen and ems is high enough He/she survives for you and even me. Problem is I don't just pick one ending nor do I have one Shepard. He/she is different every time and I'm not alone in that, nor am I alone in wanting more Andromeda. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 17:08:19 GMT
Regardless, Shepard eventually dies. Ryder returns 1268 years after the end of the Reaper war after having returned to cryo for the journey back... finding a galaxy that has been further changed from however Shepard left it by another, currently unknown, event. The player finds references in data logs and such that describes whatever the player decided at the end of ME3. The forward story, with now a more mature, more Shepard-like Ryder, continues in whatever direction the writers of the new game can possibly imagine. No canon ending pissing off anyone who didn't choose that ending and endless possibilities for a new story and a great game going forward. Everybody wins. Yes Shepard would be long dead after that amount of time.
Why would I want Ryder to return to the Milky Way?
Who is everybody wins thing that you speak of? Or is it you win because that's what you want?
Read my post above this one. Everyone wins because there's no outright losers. Declaring a canon creates outright losers. Abandoning Andromeda and Ryder completely creates outright losers. The way I'm suggesting IS a compromise... everyone gives up a little of their ideal ME5 and no fans give up absolutely everything. You're so focused on what you want... you're not even acknowledging that some people might indeed like Ryder enough to see him/her continue as a protag in this series. You're so focused on bringing your actual Shepard back into the game that you won't even acknowledge that Ryder could mature into a very Shepard-like character. You want everyone else who doesn't agree with your take on ME3 to give up everything just to bring your Shepard back to life.
Also, for the record... my ideal ME5 takes place in Andromeda with Ryder continuing on as the PC and us learning more about the Benefactor, the Jardaan, and the Kett... along with exploring a multitude of new worlds in a galaxy far, far away. "Second star on the right, straight on till morning."
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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 15, 2018 17:40:17 GMT
If Shepard is dead, why doesn't the character put up his/her nameplate during the memorial scene with ems being at/above 3100? That's only in high EMS destroy. Its been confirmed that the breath scene was just an Easter egg. Also that's refusal to believe your love is dead. It happens. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.960000000000036px; height: 4.599999999999994px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_24780770" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="4.599999999999994"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 4.6px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_89640440" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="4.599999999999994"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 4.6px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 169px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_41533079" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="4.599999999999994"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 4.6px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: 169px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_80817929" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="4.599999999999994"></iframe>
Relevant quote: "You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together." - BioWare’s Tully Ackland on the game’s official forums
So, no, it's not an Easter egg. Shepard actually survives high EMS Destroy.
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