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Post by Phantom on Sept 3, 2019 3:16:25 GMT
Sooo..... You don't want to know how Crazy Shepard got those scars? Or why the PC is so serious? I'm saying I wouldn't like to fight against a villain based on Shepard... with 3 backstories out of the gate varying from ruthless gang member to Mama's boy war hero. If they're going to set up a complex villain, I'd rather they start fresh and with a character whose only proper diagnosis can be multiple personality disorder. Outside of Novelty factor, The backlash of having a Player Character going villain or NPC without Player control will always be high.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 3, 2019 3:16:55 GMT
That would be a dream, not an illusion. Or a hallucination. But yeah, you could do that. That about sums up IT. Shows how dumb it is.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Sept 3, 2019 3:24:23 GMT
Sooo..... You don't want to know how Crazy Shepard got those scars? Or why the PC is so serious? I'm saying I wouldn't like to fight against a villain based on Shepard... with 3 + 3 permutations of backstories out of the gate varying from ruthless gang member to Mama's boy/girl war hero. If they're going to set up a complex villain, I'd rather they start fresh and with a character whose only proper diagnosis can be multiple personality disorder. You don't have to use those backstory's of Sheps, you could do something totally new.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 3:30:50 GMT
I'm saying I wouldn't like to fight against a villain based on Shepard... with 3 + 3 permutations of backstories out of the gate varying from ruthless gang member to Mama's boy/girl war hero. If they're going to set up a complex villain, I'd rather they start fresh and with a character whose only proper diagnosis can be multiple personality disorder. You don't have to use those backstory's of Sheps, you could do something totally new. So, you actually want to fight a totally new villain character who is only just named Shepard. Why bother? I'd rather fight Scarlet Overkill... the coolest villain ever.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Sept 3, 2019 3:34:31 GMT
You don't have to use those backstory's of Sheps, you could do something totally new. So, you actually want to fight a totally new villain character who is only just named Shepard. Why bother? I'd rather fight Scarlet Overkill... the coolest villain ever. I would love kick that Turian Councilor in the ass while wearing a suit of Terminator armour. But sadly, that'll never happen...
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Post by themikefest on Sept 3, 2019 11:30:31 GMT
You don't have to use those backstory's of Sheps, you could do something totally new. So, you actually want to fight a totally new villain character who is only just named Shepard. Why bother? I'd rather fight Scarlet Overkill... the coolest villain ever. For me, the coolest villain is Joker. All the guy wants to do is put a smile on everyone's face.
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Post by Ascend on Sept 3, 2019 12:39:28 GMT
That would be a dream, not an illusion. Or a hallucination. But yeah, you could do that. That would be even better xD The whole rest of ME1, ME2 and ME3 were a vision that the beacon gave Shepard. In the new Mass Effect, Shepard wakes up, realizing everything was a vision from the beacon. Boom. Mass Effect reboot.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 3, 2019 13:10:58 GMT
That would be even better xD The whole rest of ME1, ME2 and ME3 were a vision that the beacon gave Shepard. In the new Mass Effect, Shepard wakes up, realizing everything was a vision from the beacon. Boom. Mass Effect reboot. So, I had a question. If they remake the trilogy, would you be down that idea? That the original games where just a prophetic vision of things to come and now Shepard gets to go through them for real with forward knowledge and now he gets little prompts through the games to ensure that the end results of previous choices are better, which he might fail at and come out with the same result as before, or succeed and end up with vastly different endings to what we got. How much liberty would Shepard get with the timeline? How much would he alter it? Would he risk upsetting it too much out of fear of it becoming too unpredictable? Would he speed up events? Would he still choose to die, in order to assemble the team of specialists he ended up amassing in ME2 and have those specialists help and influence in the war effort in ME3? Interesting prospect, I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 13:58:58 GMT
So, you actually want to fight a totally new villain character who is only just named Shepard. Why bother? I'd rather fight Scarlet Overkill... the coolest villain ever. For me, the coolest villain is Joker. All the guy wants to do is put a smile on everyone's face. Well, my post was meant to be taken as a joke, so I'm sure both Joker and The Joker would approve... Joker especially since Scarlet has a smoking red rocket dress with curves that go on for days.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 3, 2019 14:35:17 GMT
Jeff Moreau a villain? Now that's a joke. Joker from Batman is the true villain.
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Post by Ascend on Sept 3, 2019 19:14:14 GMT
That would be even better xD The whole rest of ME1, ME2 and ME3 were a vision that the beacon gave Shepard. In the new Mass Effect, Shepard wakes up, realizing everything was a vision from the beacon. Boom. Mass Effect reboot. So, I had a question. If they remake the trilogy, would you be down that idea? That the original games where just a prophetic vision of things to come and now Shepard gets to go through them for real with forward knowledge and now he gets little prompts through the games to ensure that the end results of previous choices are better, which he might fail at and come out with the same result as before, or succeed and end up with vastly different endings to what we got. How much liberty would Shepard get with the timeline? How much would he alter it? Would he risk upsetting it too much out of fear of it becoming too unpredictable? Would he speed up events? Would he still choose to die, in order to assemble the team of specialists he ended up amassing in ME2 and have those specialists help and influence in the war effort in ME3? Interesting prospect, I believe. I'd be up for it, and honestly, at this point it seems to be the best way to remake the trilogy, still have everything intact and yet able to change. Graphics, gameplay mechanics, powers, all can be upgraded to modern times with little issue. The outcomes of certain events can slightly change, especially if you have the ability to inform everyone around you what is going to happen, and they see things play out exactly as you explained it. The council might even believe you this time. It can also bring in interesting concepts... Can you punish someone before they do something, even though you know they will? A Renegade might, while the Paragon might prefer to alter the circumstances hoping the person's choice changes. Considering Shepard would know what happens at the beginning of ME2, he might be able to avoid his own death completely. Those two additional years can be one (or even multiple) game(s), starting with the Crucible extremely early for example. It would be a completely different sequence of events. The only thing I'm worried about is BioWare's capability to match (let alone surpass) what the original trilogy was. They are not at their best right now... And honestly, I don't have enough faith to trust that they can pull it off like they need to.
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Post by SwobyJ on Sept 4, 2019 1:56:36 GMT
KOTOR/SWTOR/TOR - Austin, low resource, and while it is technicallyyyy doing an expansion shortly, support for the title seems to be always on thin ice. Could they keep it going through 2020, 2021, and so on? I think so. Will it be a massive drain on Bioware/EA? I don't think it has been for a while. I'm not sure if Onslaught (SWTOR 6.0) will be the last version update or not, but more than any previous version, it appears like it could stand with being so, though with occasional patches for years. I wouldn't worry about Austin and SWTOR interfering with the other IPs, and since there's zero word of interest in Bioware Star Wars games since, I wouldn't expect word to begin until at least years from now. Perhaps they're keeping the game alive in case of the future TOR films? Or they're keeping the game alive to keep a gaming presence around until an eventual TOR new game? In any case, it doesn't matter yet.
Jade Empire - Nearly dead IP but I suppose we shouldn't count it 100% out.
Dragon Age - So far we are obviously getting a new fourth main title game and it'll probably come 2020 (optimistically) or 2021 (pessimistically/realistically?). It could end up having no content expansions, or about a year of it as per 'usual', or its a successful setup to go on further... 2 years? 3 years? Whatever, we got the early 2020s for DA basically confirmed, but it doesn't mean it needs to take up all of Edmonton's resources after release.
Anthem - Womp womp. Seems all development of Anthem has went to Austin where teams have to divvy up resources with SWTOR, the former game having more urgent need but the latter being the longer running profit generator. While some would love a FFXIV:ARR style redo, or a more quickly made apology-sequel sooner than later, I think we're just in for Austin doing whatever they can (whether small updates or so-far secretive major ones) and Edmonton is done with it for at least a long time.
So yes, there's room from my armchair view for Edmonton to make a Mass Effect game. They won't be making Dragon Age soon enough, Jade Empire is not happening, there's silence about new Star Wars, Anthem is covered by Austin for any time being, so unless an Anthem 2 is urgently wanted, or a new IP emerges, why not do Mass Effect again? Okay okay, there's reasons, but I'd say there's fewer reasons that have to do with timeline and exclusive development resources.
Edmonton: Anthem --> DA4 --> ME? (--> other/A2? --> DA? --> etc) Austin: Anthem/SWTOR ongoing support, backup otherwise, potential new titles (so far unlikely)
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 4, 2019 12:16:46 GMT
The outcomes of certain events can slightly change, especially if you have the ability to inform everyone around you what is going to happen, and they see things play out exactly as you explained it. The council might even believe you this time. It can also bring in interesting concepts... Can you punish someone before they do something, even though you know they will? A Renegade might, while the Paragon might prefer to alter the circumstances hoping the person's choice changes. Yeah and it'd be a great way to figure out all the things that you could do. Maybe save both Ash and Kaidan? Or stop the galaxy from adopting Thermal Clips? Imagine Shepard waking up on the Lazarus Project station and going "This gun doesn't have a thermal clip" and Miranda going "A thermal clip? Those were inferior designs, compared to heatsinks and never saw mass adoption." That'd be fun. Considering Shepard would know what happens at the beginning of ME2, he might be able to avoid his own death completely. Those two additional years can be one (or even multiple) game(s), starting with the Crucible extremely early for example. It would be a completely different sequence of events. The thing is, would you risk it? That would trigger a huge shift in the timeline. None of the new ME2 squadmates would be recruited and that includes Mordin. So that automatically screws up the sequence of events regarding Malon's research data and the basis for recruiting the Krogan in ME3, regardless if you chose to cure the genophage or not. Also, no recruiting Legion, therefore no Legion or Geth VI to take his place in the effort to end the war between Geth and Quarians. You might find other ways to do those things, or you may not. It's a risk, but you know, you can always reload. I wonder, would you still try to recruit the same ME2 team? Would you then perhaps try to speed the events up by recruiting them earlier? What if you romanced Thane or *cough*Jacob*cough*. Would you try to make these romances work differently? Or just go "you're dead and you're a cheater" and flip them off.
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Post by Ascend on Sept 4, 2019 13:04:59 GMT
The thing is, would you risk it? That would trigger a huge shift in the timeline. None of the new ME2 squadmates would be recruited and that includes Mordin. So that automatically screws up the sequence of events regarding Malon's research data and the basis for recruiting the Krogan in ME3, regardless if you chose to cure the genophage or not. Also, no recruiting Legion, therefore no Legion or Geth VI to take his place in the effort to end the war between Geth and Quarians. You might find other ways to do those things, or you may not. It's a risk, but you know, you can always reload. I wonder, would you still try to recruit the same ME2 team? Would you then perhaps try to speed the events up by recruiting them earlier? What if you romanced Thane or *cough*Jacob*cough*. Would you try to make these romances work differently? Or just go "you're dead and you're a cheater" and flip them off. Yeah, I think I would... None of the ME2 crew would be recruited in the same way, but that doesn't mean you can't contact them or have them be useful. The most important part is that we most likely wouldn't get the Normandy SR2... Unless we can convince TIM to build it even when Shepard's alive xD Maelon's data is not THAT important. Even if you destroyed it, the only real difference in practice is whether Eve survives or not. It doesn't have a real effect on the genophage cure itself. And if we can approach Mordin 2 years earlier, he might even be able to work it out without having to sacrifice so many Krogan. The war between the Geth and Quarians can end in many different ways. I wouldn't mind seeing a completely different take. The possibilities are endless.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 4, 2019 13:19:19 GMT
What if the Alliance, yeah right, were able to steal the plans from Cerberus for building the SR2? Of course how would the Alliance know? Maybe have the Shadow Broker give information to the Alliance because he doesn't want Cerberus to out do him? Don't know.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 4, 2019 13:38:53 GMT
The possibilities are endless. That would be an incredibly ambitious project. I am not so sure whether I trust Bioware to pull it off. I would definitely put some barriers to the ME2 squadmates you could recruit in that case. Like, anyone Cerberus related, including Jack, would be off limits, or Jack could be recruitable, but perhaps you wouldn't be able to do her loyalty mission, since you don't have the intel on Pragia and therefore would end up dead regardless of what you did. Kelly, Miranda and Jacob would have no business to side with you. Ken and Gabby as well. And Rupert Gardner.
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Post by natetrace on Sept 4, 2019 14:14:38 GMT
All these dream sequence comments...did I stumble onto the Bob Newhart show forum?
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 4, 2019 14:55:47 GMT
It's not like we have anything better to do.
Why can't Shepard and Legion meet up, exactly? Legion was trying to contact Shepard, and did. This could happen anywhere.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 4, 2019 15:06:40 GMT
Why can't Shepard and Legion meet up, exactly? Legion was trying to contact Shepard, and did. This could happen anywhere. Or maybe he'd get shot on sight. But that is speculative on my part, then. It may be possible. It may all be possible. Or maybe it is impossible. Changing the timeline may have some unpredictable consequences. It's not supposed to be all sunshine and rainbows, remember?
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 4, 2019 17:52:42 GMT
Discussing probabilities is silly; they will turn out whichever way is convenient for the desired narrative.
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Post by Phantom on Sept 4, 2019 21:44:20 GMT
All these dream sequence comments...did I stumble onto the Bob Newhart show forum? yes you have....
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Post by Ascend on Sept 5, 2019 19:01:18 GMT
Discussing probabilities is silly; they will turn out whichever way is convenient for the desired narrative. One can dream, right? That's all we have right now, or to play other games. If Mass Effect ever gets sold, I'd want Dontnod Entertainment (the makers of Life Is Strange) to do something with the franchise.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 5, 2019 23:37:25 GMT
Discussing probabilities is silly; they will turn out whichever way is convenient for the desired narrative. One can dream, right? That's all we have right now, or to play other games. If Mass Effect ever gets sold, I'd want Dontnod Entertainment (the makers of Life Is Strange) to do something with the franchise. A life is strange ME game? Uh no.
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Post by SwobyJ on Sept 6, 2019 2:31:03 GMT
One can dream, right? That's all we have right now, or to play other games. If Mass Effect ever gets sold, I'd want Dontnod Entertainment (the makers of Life Is Strange) to do something with the franchise. A life is strange ME game? Uh no. Also Remember Me, Vampyr, and currently Twin Mirror in development.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 6, 2019 2:42:31 GMT
A life is strange ME game? Uh no. Also Remember Me, Vampyr, and currently Twin Mirror in development. I'll admit they have good storytelling abilities from what I've seen ( haven't played any of their games) but not sure they could do ME as they haven't done rpg games. Ok scratch that as Vampyr is listed as action rpg. Maybe they could pull it off but I still trust in Bioware to handle ME.
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