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Post by Doc on Feb 20, 2019 18:35:27 GMT
I joined this forum just a few days ago, hyped for Anthem. Now I'm mostly concerned for the game. It's not just the bugs, of which there are many. Content integration is haphazard. The stories don't fit into the gameplay, there's almost no way to stop griefing, the social area has no socializing, the basic gameplay mechanics aren't even explained in game!
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Post by Fogg on Feb 20, 2019 18:54:31 GMT
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 20, 2019 18:58:46 GMT
Watching Skill Up's review now (jesus christ, 46 minutes? dude.) and when he criticizes the writing for The Monitor I had to pause because SkillUp mentioned former BioWare villains done well including Sovereign, and I just....heavy sigh.
I've watched that scene maybe 50 times over the years, either from playing and replaying ME1 myself a dozen times or just loading that scene up on Youtube. It's so goddamn amazing. It's so good. So good.
There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I... am Sovereign.
That was released 12 years ago. I still get chills watching that scene. Where the FUCK is that BioWare?
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 20, 2019 19:08:13 GMT
Watching Skill Up's review now (jesus christ, 46 minutes? dude.) and when he criticizes the writing for The Monitor I had to pause because SkillUp mentioned former BioWare villains done well including Sovereign, and I just.... heavy sigh. I've watched that scene maybe 50 times over the years, either from playing and replaying ME1 myself a dozen times or just loading that scene up on Youtube. It's so goddamn amazing. It's so good. So good. There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I... am Sovereign.That was released 12 years ago. I still get chills watching that scene. Where the FUCK is that BioWare? Ask Drew K, he wrote for Anthem as well. But Drew K was always overrated if you ask me.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 20, 2019 19:51:00 GMT
Watching Skill Up's review now (jesus christ, 46 minutes? dude.) and when he criticizes the writing for The Monitor I had to pause because SkillUp mentioned former BioWare villains done well including Sovereign, and I just.... heavy sigh. I've watched that scene maybe 50 times over the years, either from playing and replaying ME1 myself a dozen times or just loading that scene up on Youtube. It's so goddamn amazing. It's so good. So good. There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I... am Sovereign.That was released 12 years ago. I still get chills watching that scene. Where the FUCK is that BioWare? Ask Drew K, he wrote for Anthem as well. But Drew K was always overrated if you ask me. Wasn't he only back for like 2 months before splitting again? Myself am a big fan of Drew K because so far all other BioWare games without him just didn't do it for me writing wise.
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 20, 2019 19:56:53 GMT
Ask Drew K, he wrote for Anthem as well. But Drew K was always overrated if you ask me. Wasn't he only back for like 2 months before splitting again? Myself am a big fan of Drew K because so far all other BioWare games without him just didn't do it for me writing wise. Much longer than two months. He was with BioWare for 3 years working on Anthem and SWTOR from what I understand.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 20, 2019 20:03:24 GMT
Wasn't he only back for like 2 months before splitting again? Myself am a big fan of Drew K because so far all other BioWare games without him just didn't do it for me writing wise. Much longer than two months. He was with BioWare for 3 years working on Anthem and SWTOR from what I understand. Can anyone back this claim?
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Post by OdanUrr on Feb 20, 2019 20:05:43 GMT
Much longer than two months. He was with BioWare for 3 years working on Anthem and SWTOR from what I understand. Can anyone back this claim?
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 20, 2019 20:12:07 GMT
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 20, 2019 20:23:20 GMT
Watching Skill Up's review now (jesus christ, 46 minutes? dude.) and when he criticizes the writing for The Monitor I had to pause because SkillUp mentioned former BioWare villains done well including Sovereign, and I just.... heavy sigh. I've watched that scene maybe 50 times over the years, either from playing and replaying ME1 myself a dozen times or just loading that scene up on Youtube. It's so goddamn amazing. It's so good. So good. There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I... am Sovereign.That was released 12 years ago. I still get chills watching that scene. Where the FUCK is that BioWare? Ask Drew K, he wrote for Anthem as well. But Drew K was always overrated if you ask me. to be fair, his work was not the priority and a LOT of reviewers do say the hidden lore is where you can recognize Bioware's hand. What does that tell you |
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 20, 2019 20:26:08 GMT
Watching Skill Up's review now (jesus christ, 46 minutes? dude.) and when he criticizes the writing for The Monitor I had to pause because SkillUp mentioned former BioWare villains done well including Sovereign, and I just.... heavy sigh. I've watched that scene maybe 50 times over the years, either from playing and replaying ME1 myself a dozen times or just loading that scene up on Youtube. It's so goddamn amazing. It's so good. So good. There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I... am Sovereign.That was released 12 years ago. I still get chills watching that scene. Where the FUCK is that BioWare? you exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it |
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 20, 2019 20:26:20 GMT
Ask Drew K, he wrote for Anthem as well. But Drew K was always overrated if you ask me. to be fair, his work was not the priority and a LOT of reviewers do say the hidden lore is where you can recognize Bioware's hand. What does that tell you Nothing, really. Considering how BioWare tends to do scripting and writing, it likely means some of Drew K's ideas are there along with the work of the other writers. That is assuming the ideas you liked come from Drew K specifically as well.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 20, 2019 20:31:46 GMT
to be fair, his work was not the priority and a LOT of reviewers do say the hidden lore is where you can recognize Bioware's hand. What does that tell you Nothing, really. Considering how BioWare tends to do scripting and writing, it likely means some of Drew K's ideas are there along with the work of the other writers. That is assuming the ideas you liked come from Drew K specifically as well. no I mean the genere of game that is Anthem shaped what they did with villains and missions. As it was predicted I might add. |
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 20, 2019 20:33:31 GMT
Nothing, really. Considering how BioWare tends to do scripting and writing, it likely means some of Drew K's ideas are there along with the work of the other writers. That is assuming the ideas you liked come from Drew K specifically as well. no I mean the genere of game that is Anthem shaped what they did with villains and missions. As it was predicted I might add. I don't understand the criticism then, since BioWare has only done two villians well arguably after twenty years. If anything it's par for the course.
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Post by 10k on Feb 20, 2019 20:36:55 GMT
Just finished watching skill up. Although I still disagree that Anthem is BW worst game; the guy nailed it with everything else. To think Ubisoft is now a better RPG developer than BW is crazy, Odyssey was a beautiful game. I just can't understand why BW can't make that RPG magic happen anymore. Maybe DA4 will pull them out of the gutter. But then again there are rumors that DA4 is going to be a live service...  |
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Post by sentinel87 on Feb 20, 2019 20:40:08 GMT
Does anyone know how Bioware Edmonton ended up working on this title? The game doesn't interest me at all, but I'm curious as to why they put this out in the first place. It's so different from anything else they've done in the past two decades. I can only think of three ways they ended up with this project.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 20, 2019 20:46:38 GMT
Does anyone know how Bioware Edmonton ended up working on this title? The game doesn't interest me at all, but I'm curious as to why they put this out in the first place. It's so different from anything else they've done in the past two decades. I can only think of three ways they ended up with this project. EA had a looter shooter they wanted developed and specifically handed it off to Bioware. EA wanted to make a looter shooter and asked if any studios wanted to make it and Bioware took the chance to do something different. EA solicited ideas for a new game and Bioware had this idea which EA green lit. bioware was a mean to fight the WOW effect my friend |
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Post by inquisitor007 on Feb 20, 2019 20:55:01 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if Anthem started out as more of a single-player adventure with prominent multi-player elements (more of a destiny clone) and then was forced to become something else.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 20, 2019 20:58:39 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if Anthem started out as more of a single-player adventure with prominent multi-player elements (more of a destiny clone) and then was forced to become something else. some signs point to this being the truth |
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 20, 2019 21:06:00 GMT
no I mean the genere of game that is Anthem shaped what they did with villains and missions. As it was predicted I might add. I don't understand the criticism then, since BioWare has only done two villians well arguably after twenty years. If anything it's par for the course. Whwhwhwhwhat? I mean, way more than 2. I'd say it's really only Andromeda and Anthem that have terrible antagonists. Everything else they've done ranks from serviceable to great.
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 20, 2019 21:08:50 GMT
I don't understand the criticism then, since BioWare has only done two villians well arguably after twenty years. If anything it's par for the course. Whwhwhwhwhat? I mean, way more than 2. I'd say it's really only Andromeda and Anthem that have terrible antagonists. Everything else they've done ranks from serviceable to great. Illusive Man and Irenicus are the only two I can comfortably say are great. Solas might be a third. The rest....serviceable sure but forgettable ultimately.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 20, 2019 21:08:58 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if Anthem started out as more of a single-player adventure with prominent multi-player elements (more of a destiny clone) and then was forced to become something else. But... it is a Destiny clone now.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 20, 2019 21:11:55 GMT
Whwhwhwhwhat? I mean, way more than 2. I'd say it's really only Andromeda and Anthem that have terrible antagonists. Everything else they've done ranks from serviceable to great. Illusive Man and Irenicus are the only two I can comfortably say are great. Solas might be a third. The rest....serviceable sure but forgettable ultimately. Jon Irenicus was excellently done, friggin Sovereign (I hated Harbinger tbh), LOGHAIN, hell even Master Li was written well for an otherwise average game.
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 20, 2019 21:12:46 GMT
Sorry to not join in here but I don't think the old "Evil EA forced them" lament is holding much water in this case.
As I remember it, Casey and a lot of people on the old ME3 team moved on to project Dylan pretty quickly after ME3 was out (IIRC it was in 2013). Of course, all we had back then were rumors but those did mention that after about 10 years on Mass Effect they wanted to do something very different (and who can blame them).
As an MP and coop focused open world looter shooter with flying mechanics, Anthem certainly fits that bill and I have never heard even a whisper that the project got refocused since then.
Also, don't forget that in the heydays of ME3 MP, a lot of people on the BW forums and elsewhere were screaming for coop gameplay in BW campaigns and whatnot ("why can't we play the story as coop with those squad mates?!?!?!"). In concept, a title like Anthem must have made perfect sense in 2013.
So I really doubt anyone forced anyone's hand there.
And hey, to be honest, I get it. After 10 years (more if you count KotOR, which they were working on before), I understand that you may want to try your hand at something new. In the end, I am just hoping all those ventures into new things (and their overall rather medicore success with it), they might now be ready to a little bit back to the roots maybe? Who knows.
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