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Post by linksocarina on May 23, 2019 13:14:31 GMT
The problem is not all opinions are equal ultimately. The kind of statement expressed earlier doesn't advance or offer constructive critique. It's too emotional vs rational, good opinions do balance that, at least from an academic standpoint. I guess we'll have to delete 90% of all opinions on anything then since most people's opnions ARE highly emotional and non constructive. Welcome to the human race, buddy!
Jeez...
No need for that. Do what I do and ignore them completely from any conversation.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 23, 2019 14:46:13 GMT
No need for that. Do what I do and ignore them completely from any conversation. That's not very modest.
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Post by goishen on May 23, 2019 14:51:26 GMT
I guess we'll have to delete 90% of all opinions on anything then since most people's opnions ARE highly emotional and non constructive. Welcome to the human race, buddy!
Jeez...
No need for that. Do what I do and ignore them completely from any conversation. Kappa == human You == ??? A robot? That's what you're implying there.
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Post by linksocarina on May 23, 2019 16:41:38 GMT
No need for that. Do what I do and ignore them completely from any conversation. That's not very modest. No its not, I guess. Sometimes I wonder if I'm too much of a jerk for my own good, it tends to come into conflict with folks for my lack of detachment to things I consider petty.
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Post by Blast Processor on May 23, 2019 16:51:30 GMT
No its not, I guess. Sometimes I wonder if I'm too much of a jerk for my own good, it tends to come into conflict with folks for my lack of detachment to things I consider petty. But really tho what did 10K really say? -ME2 is best game (reasonable) -wishes game came along that was better than ME2 (reasonable) -wants to cut emotional ties to BioWare (maybe not so reasonable) -still considers ME2 best game at current time (reasonable)
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Post by linksocarina on May 23, 2019 17:10:43 GMT
No its not, I guess. Sometimes I wonder if I'm too much of a jerk for my own good, it tends to come into conflict with folks for my lack of detachment to things I consider petty. But really tho what did 10K really say? -ME2 is best game -wishes game came along that was better than ME2 -wants to cut emotional ties to BioWare -still considers ME2 best game at current time It's problematic because it's based on what appears to be an irrational emotional response and not based on quality of product, and I'm judging it accordingly because I find that frankly terrible. 10K in my mind has no real measure of what the best game ever is because the criteria that created it is not attempting any fair judgement to all factors. Yes it's all personal I get that, but even personal lists should have a logical criteria to them. The best game I ever played was Ocarina of Time for example, and I know it's not on everyone's list, but I can back it up as to why I feel it deserves that honor (atmosphere, ambient storytelling, dungeon design, mechanics and all that). Until something of si.ilar quality and attachment replaces that, it sits at that spot, and if it does get replaced it will be off of the merits of the game, not the feelings I have about Nintendo. It makes 10ks thoughts, to me, worthless to consider seriously because the best game can change not based on the quality of a product, but based on the attachment to the studio. And understand that I'm not trying to be a jerk when I say this, and I worry it will come across that way
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Post by Blast Processor on May 23, 2019 18:12:50 GMT
But really tho what did 10K really say? -ME2 is best game -wishes game came along that was better than ME2 -wants to cut emotional ties to BioWare -still considers ME2 best game at current time It's problematic because it's based on what appears to be an irrational emotional response and not based on quality of product, and I'm judging it accordingly because I find that frankly terrible. 10K in my mind has no real measure of what the best game ever is because the criteria that created it is not attempting any fair judgement to all factors. Yes it's all personal I get that, but even personal lists should have a logical criteria to them. The best game I ever played was Ocarina of Time for example, and I know it's not on everyone's list, but I can back it up as to why I feel it deserves that honor (atmosphere, ambient storytelling, dungeon design, mechanics and all that). Until something of si.ilar quality and attachment replaces that, it sits at that spot, and if it does get replaced it will be off of the merits of the game, not the feelings I have about Nintendo. It makes 10ks thoughts, to me, worthless to consider seriously because the best game can change not based on the quality of a product, but based on the attachment to the studio. And understand that I'm not trying to be a jerk when I say this, and I worry it will come across that wayWell... Haha. I'm sure 10K does have a logical criteria tho, one that wasn't worth including in a random off hand post and that even now supersede's his current hatred towards BioWare. And just as an aside, what level of review is necessary for a post to be of worth. If I said that NBA 2K16 and Mass Andromeda were my favourite games, because I really enjoy the role playing mechanics and character progression in both, and even tho I think 2K does those things better, I'm just a sucker for a space opera. Most would probably write that opinion off as worthless.
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Post by linksocarina on May 23, 2019 18:23:32 GMT
It's problematic because it's based on what appears to be an irrational emotional response and not based on quality of product, and I'm judging it accordingly because I find that frankly terrible. 10K in my mind has no real measure of what the best game ever is because the criteria that created it is not attempting any fair judgement to all factors. Yes it's all personal I get that, but even personal lists should have a logical criteria to them. The best game I ever played was Ocarina of Time for example, and I know it's not on everyone's list, but I can back it up as to why I feel it deserves that honor (atmosphere, ambient storytelling, dungeon design, mechanics and all that). Until something of si.ilar quality and attachment replaces that, it sits at that spot, and if it does get replaced it will be off of the merits of the game, not the feelings I have about Nintendo. It makes 10ks thoughts, to me, worthless to consider seriously because the best game can change not based on the quality of a product, but based on the attachment to the studio. And understand that I'm not trying to be a jerk when I say this, and I worry it will come across that wayWell... Haha. I'm sure 10K does have a logical criteria tho, one that wasn't worth including in a random off hand post and that even now supersede's his current hatred towards BioWare. And just as an aside, what level of review is necessary for a post to be of worth. If I said that NBA 2K16 and Mass Andromeda were my favourite games, because I really enjoy the role playing mechanics and character progression in both, and even tho I think 2K does those things better, I'm just a sucker for a space opera. Most would probably write that opinion off as worthless. Sure, but that can be debatable to some degree because you can measure that quality. What elements of rp do NBA actually do that andromeda does t, what kind of space opera is appealing to you, and so on. I teach for a living and do game criticism as a side job, so I'm always of the mindset that things can be argued well even if it's a minority opinion on a subject. The problem arises when you recognize a poor argument or statement that is useless to that discussion. As I said, not all opinions are created equal. I know someone said earlier that that is irrelevent, but I disagree. It's how we become more constructive if we're willing to recognize the shortcomings and, at times, be honest about calling such statements out. If 10K has a criteria that valid I'd listen a d debate it, but the comment made has tainted that discussion to me.
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 23, 2019 18:26:35 GMT
Dude, you're not supposed to engage with everyone about their personal feelings. If somebody wants to voice their disappointment, that's fine. Sometimes people just want to say how they feel about something. And how they feel is valid even if you can't relate or agree. How do you know 10k doesn't have actual reasons beyond an emotional attachment for considering ME2 the best game they ever played? Most people will be able to tell you why they like something best. Doesn't mean they always feel like elaborating and they have no obligation towards you to do so just so you can debate something they are tired of debating. They are still allowed to express their feelings.
What does that even matter though?? NOTHING we discuss here has any real value beyond entertaining ourselves, let's be real here. Message boards are far more about sharing than some lofty "constructive criticism". The devs closed down old BSN. They are not hearing even the most constructive criticism here. And they seem not to want to hear it on Reddit either. You would do well to work on your attitude since you've already noticed that it only alienates people, linksocarina. This is coming from somebody who's plenty arrogant herself when it comes to other people's foolishness. Our immediate reactions aren't so different, I believe. I just hide it better. I keep it to myself most of the time. Because it's not fair at all.
Life is not about winning an argument. About having better arguments. It's about sharing and a great deal about venting and having somebody understand why you're frustrated. I can understand most people's emotions and opinions even when I don't share them. I like reading what other people think even if I have nothing to add or wildly disagree.
And in any case, this place is a nuthouse! Rational debate is not what's to be had here most of the time! I call the BSN my long term social study on group behavior, coping mechanisms and all kinds of personality disorders. It's endlessly fascinating to me!
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Post by masterwarderz on May 23, 2019 19:06:30 GMT
So honest question: If BioWare ever fixes Anthem's many, many, many, many, many, many, maaannnnny issues, do you think it actually achieve success or has the time when it could recover from its downward spiral come and went?
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Post by goishen on May 23, 2019 19:09:53 GMT
FTFY. You don't need to add words to sound smart. In fact, sometimes, the more words you add, the dumber you sound.
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Post by aglomeracja on May 23, 2019 19:44:58 GMT
So honest question: If BioWare ever fixes Anthem's many, many, many, many, many, many, maaannnnny issues, do you think it actually achieve success or has the time when it could recover from its downward spiral come and went? It might be a success for sure, but it seems they need to rewrite a good chunk of the game for that to happen.
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Post by Iakus on May 23, 2019 20:32:36 GMT
So honest question: If BioWare ever fixes Anthem's many, many, many, many, many, many, maaannnnny issues, do you think it actually achieve success or has the time when it could recover from its downward spiral come and went? It might be a success for sure, but it seems they need to rewrite a good chunk of the game for that to happen. It would have to be way more solo-friendly for one thing And more role-play friendly for another.
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Post by aglomeracja on May 23, 2019 20:58:04 GMT
It might be a success for sure, but it seems they need to rewrite a good chunk of the game for that to happen. It would have to be way more solo-friendly for one thing And more role-play friendly for another. I'd say it needs to be exactly opposite of solo/role-play friendly, it is a looter shooter after all. It needs to have a gratifying loot (and other forms of progression) and engaging combat. They did get a couple of things right about combat, but there are many ways to improve it further through making better use of flight for instance.
If they would like to aim at solo-friendliness they better just make a new RPG. I wouldn't complain if they did btw.
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Post by Iakus on May 23, 2019 21:08:54 GMT
It would have to be way more solo-friendly for one thing And more role-play friendly for another. I'd say it needs to be exactly opposite of solo/role-play friendly, it is a looter shooter after all. It needs to have a gratifying loot (and other forms of progression) and engaging combat. They did get a couple of things right about combat, but there are many ways to improve it further through making better use of flight for instance.
If they would like to aim at solo-friendliness they better just make a new RPG. I wouldn't complain if they did btw.
Anthem as a looter-shooter crashed and burned. They failed to draw the shooter crowd and alienated their own core. All they can do now is salvage what they can.
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Post by slimgrin727 on May 24, 2019 1:05:54 GMT
So honest question: If BioWare ever fixes Anthem's many, many, many, many, many, many, maaannnnny issues, do you think it actually achieve success or has the time when it could recover from its downward spiral come and went? They'd have to reinvent the game at this point. Meanwhile the competition will keep patching and improving their games which are already light years ahead.
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Post by Sartoz on May 24, 2019 3:30:38 GMT
So honest question: If BioWare ever fixes Anthem's many, many, many, many, many, many, maaannnnny issues, do you think it actually achieve success or has the time when it could recover from its downward spiral come and went? They'd have to reinvent the game at this point. Meanwhile the competition will keep patching and improving their games which are already light years ahead.
Agreed. With a reduced player base, their projected monthly online revenue is in the pits. I doubt EA can sustain the game's development. Take Apex legends. It appears it's a flash in the pan. Ninety two million in the first month but only twenty four in the second... and now seems to be suffering from persistent negative feelings from the remaining player base... the usual, bugs, one map, a game pass fee that fails to provide new content. .... etc.
Will Bio pull of a miracle? Doubt it. The marketing wave has come and gone. You can't get that initial buzz, interest and anticipation. That sticks only to the initial game launch. This game is looking to be another Andromeda.
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Post by 10k on May 24, 2019 4:53:19 GMT
Well... Haha. I'm sure 10K does have a logical criteria tho, one that wasn't worth including in a random off hand post and that even now supersede's his current hatred towards BioWare. And just as an aside, what level of review is necessary for a post to be of worth. If I said that NBA 2K16 and Mass Andromeda were my favourite games, because I really enjoy the role playing mechanics and character progression in both, and even tho I think 2K does those things better, I'm just a sucker for a space opera. Most would probably write that opinion off as worthless. Sure, but that can be debatable to some degree because you can measure that quality. What elements of rp do NBA actually do that andromeda does t, what kind of space opera is appealing to you, and so on. I teach for a living and do game criticism as a side job, so I'm always of the mindset that things can be argued well even if it's a minority opinion on a subject. The problem arises when you recognize a poor argument or statement that is useless to that discussion. As I said, not all opinions are created equal. I know someone said earlier that that is irrelevent, but I disagree. It's how we become more constructive if we're willing to recognize the shortcomings and, at times, be honest about calling such statements out. If 10K has a criteria that valid I'd listen a d debate it, but the comment made has tainted that discussion to me. There's nothing to debate lol.
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Post by slimgrin727 on May 25, 2019 17:31:39 GMT
Something CDPR solved 10 years ago.
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Post by lennybusker on May 25, 2019 21:36:34 GMT
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Post by tatann on May 25, 2019 21:40:30 GMT
why that guy looks like a Monster Factory creation You're talking about Young Hipster Ron Perlman ? Maybe he was designed using MEA's character creator
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Post by Polka Dot on May 26, 2019 3:42:38 GMT
It might be a success for sure, but it seems they need to rewrite a good chunk of the game for that to happen. It would have to be way more solo-friendly for one thing And more role-play friendly for another. I wonder just how difficult/resource-intensive it would be to add a few AI/NPC freelancers that people who prefer SP could equip, customize, and take out on missions in lieu of other players. I would prefer they'd have voice tracks (so long as they don't chat over mission radio comm traffic), but even if they didn't I'd probably be more interested in the game if they were available.
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