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Post by bear on Oct 2, 2016 18:12:24 GMT
Hi
So elves and humans, even in the times of Arlathan, both inhabited Thedas. So, both races supposedly lived in Thedas before the creation of the Veil. And yet, according to Solas, removing the Veil again will apparantly cause "your world to be destroyed". Why would it be? Apparantly there was no Veil when the first humans arrived, after all. In the Temple of Mythal, we learn that Arlathan self-destroyed (and in Trespasser, that it was Solas), and that Tevinter only conquered the dying remnants of Arlathan many years later. Well.... is that thousands and thousands of years later? As in, Elvenhan exists in Thedas without any humans having set foot on the continent, is severely weakened by Solas, and after the humans show up many many years later and even more years later gain enough power they take Arlathan? Did the creation of the Veil create humans?
But really, it's mostly the notion that the world will be destroyed by Solas' plans that don't really add up for me if I factor in that humans and other races apparantly got on fine with living in a Veil-less Thedas before Solas' stunt. Anyone got any ideas that could explain it? Or is this one to chalk up to poor story writers forced to rush their job?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 18:30:58 GMT
I thought humans didn't appear until after the veil went up and the elves thought that it was the human's appearence that caused the elves to loose their immortality, but Solas later explains that it was the exisitence of the veil and being cutoff from the fade that did that.  |
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Post by archangelest on Oct 2, 2016 18:33:03 GMT
I think it's mostly about the fact that other than Solas who can guide the Elves, no other race will have the faintest clue as to how to exist in a world where spirits and demons basically exist alongside everything and where focused thought can alter reality.
Solas wants the Elven glory days to return so it seems clear he'll protect/teach the elves who join up with him to handle the loss of the Veil as their ancestors did ages ago.
But the humans, the qunari, the dwarves? They have no guide and no knowledge. Their history is basically all lost. Lost to the blight or to their own exodus (Qunari). And with the hatred for magic, and misunderstanding (circle knowledge of magic is piss poor - and qunari's even worse) being so common or lacking (dwarves) it's even more unlikely anyone can figure anything out.
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Post by hammerstorm on Oct 2, 2016 18:57:14 GMT
I thought that by removing the Veil the two planes (the fade and the Real) will "crash" in each other to become one. Maybe I see it in a to simple way.
And I don't know about humans, but I got the feeling that Dwarfs existed at the same time as the Old elves (and the Titans).
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Post by bear on Oct 2, 2016 19:14:36 GMT
I think it's mostly about the fact that other than Solas who can guide the Elves, no other race will have the faintest clue as to how to exist in a world where spirits and demons basically exist alongside everything and where focused thought can alter reality. Solas wants the Elven glory days to return so it seems clear he'll protect/teach the elves who join up with him to handle the loss of the Veil as their ancestors did ages ago. But the humans, the qunari, the dwarves? They have no guide and no knowledge. Their history is basically all lost. Lost to the blight or to their own exodus (Qunari). And with the hatred for magic, and misunderstanding (circle knowledge of magic is piss poor - and qunari's even worse) being so common or lacking (dwarves) it's even more unlikely anyone can figure anything out. So, you'd think that after thousands of years humans, dwarves, qunari, etc. lost whatever skills let them survive an un-Veiled Thedas millenia ago and that it's that that could destroy their society? Sounds plausible enough. |
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 2, 2016 21:57:31 GMT
It appears that the exact timing of the creation of the Veil relative to the incursion of humans from Par Vollen is a bit fuzzy. And I think that's intentional. Through DAI and Trespasser, we are shown that there may not be any such thing as a one, true history. History is in the eyes of the beholder. Abelas contradicts accepted history about the fall of Arlathan, being due to civil war rather than the invasion of Tevinter. Solas/Trespasser goes further and suggests that the creation of the Veil, at the climax of the civil war, is what caused the fall of Arlathan. There could be a gap of hundreds of, or even a thousand, years between the fall of Arlathan and the rise of Tevinter. There's a pretty good summary in the Elvehnan entry in the Wiki, check it out: dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Elvhenan |
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Post by Kantr on Oct 2, 2016 22:25:18 GMT
Think about what happened to the researchers studying the effect of the breach on magic. They found that when they coaxed out power with what they thought would only get them a trickle. Instead pulled out a flood that killed all but one.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 3, 2016 21:06:38 GMT
Don't forget that dropping the Veil won't be good news for modern elves either. If Solas doesn't like the Inquisitor and they kill Abelas and his sentinels, Solas makes it quite clear that they were some of the last "true" elves, so agreeing with Abelas that Lavellan is not one of his people. Solas also makes it clear to Lavellan that they are going to die when he drops the Veil. Depending on dialogue choices you can state he is going to let millions of people die and he doesn't deny it. He also says to a friendly Inquisitor that he stopped the Qunari from invading the south so that if people must die "let them die in peace". So he definitely believes it is going to result in mass murder.
What is less clear is why all these elves are meant to be rushing off to join Solas. Are they just his agents spread across Thedas or are they modern elves who have been suckered into believing he is going to give them a brave new world. There is the possibility that he is just going to hide all his followers in the Eluvian network or that if they are all ancient elves, then they will be capable of withstanding the affects.
There is also the possibility that even the ancient elves will be bodily killed but that he believes they will be restored to their pre-Veil state of spirits and regenerate anew. There is also the possibility that even without him acting the Veil will eventually collapse. Some Inquisitors are able to get a special dialogue option in the Crossroad with Morrigan when they observe that the Crossroads is breaking down. This would suggest that the old magic used to create it is running out of energy without the direct connection to the Fade. Solas' urgency may be due to the fact that he wants to restore the Fade connection before irrevocable damage is done to the eluvian network but even if you stop him, it could still happen anyway.
Incidentally, humans definitely arrived in Thedas before the elves felt the quickening and thus before the raising of the Veil. (Check out World of Thedas 1 timeline and also the timeline in the Keep). |
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