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Post by aimingtolove on Feb 9, 2018 3:12:58 GMT
So, off the bat, I want to say that I know Andromeda moved away from the trilogy's use of paragon and renegade options / play styles. After having played through the game (maybe/probably) way too many times, I've found myself wondering if any choices the game presents to us could be seen in a paragon / renegade light.
And no, I'm not talking about being a jerk to squadmates (or even Tann and Addison).
For me, the original trilogy presented renegade Shepard as being an individual who got things done for the greater good, no matter the cost. She/he didn't casually sacrifice allies, but when they did, it was only because they realized the cost of success and were willing to pay it. They aren't making decisions to screw others over, but to prevail against impossible odds while in impossible situations.
Using this understanding of the renegade system, are there certain choices that felt renegade (even at all?) in Andromeda?
Oh, and I apologize if this has been discussed a gazillion times before..!
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Post by Ahriman on Feb 9, 2018 8:12:25 GMT
Exaltation facility destruction is pretty much default Renegade thing. Shooting it's boss after making a deal with her is more of psychotic Renegade variation.
Keeping Power Core away from krogans would probably qualify too.
Shooting Kalinda - classic.
There is some minor stuff which could fit too, but I won't bother remembering it.
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Post by Rochrok on Feb 10, 2018 22:08:26 GMT
IMO, There were no Renegade options. Shooting someone who wants to kill off your entire race is hardly psychotic, neither is destroying the facility. You're never given a reason to trust Morda, and Kalinda was trying to kill you.
Most of the "choices" in this game feel more neutral.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 11, 2018 1:54:04 GMT
Shooting Kallinda in the back.
Dropping Aroane off the roof.
Shooting Aksuul.
Shooting the antagonist of Vetra's loyalty mission (given that a civilian/ kid is at risk being used as a human shield)
Generally speaking a lot of the non tone dialogue takes on sort of a paragon renegade flavor.
Keeping the drive core.
Any decision where you sort of buck against/ have tension with the Iniative (much like how decisions which went against the council in MET were considered 'Renegade')
Siding with Sloane/ Reyes (I suppose there could be a renegade option in here but I think it will depend greatly where the individual is from so this comes down to personal taste)
Keeping Liam's contact secure until the Nexus can update their security protocols (just look at Liam's reaction probably the biggest paragon to have ever paragoned)
I am sure there are others but this is a fair starting list.
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Post by Shinobu on Feb 11, 2018 3:57:45 GMT
Experimenting on the Voeld whales
Using the tech on the Cerberus Scientists
Letting that Angara torture the Kett
Saving the Angaran AI and enslaving it
Letting the Angara keep the water
Taking kickbacks to divert water from Prodromos
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Post by colfoley on Feb 11, 2018 4:08:28 GMT
Experimenting on the Voeld whales Using the tech on the Cerberus Scientists Letting that Angara torture the Kett Saving the Angaran AI and enslaving it Letting the Angara keep the water Tanking kickbacks to divert water from Prodromos the Angarra water is a renegade choice? As in water supply? |
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Post by Ahriman on Feb 12, 2018 9:34:37 GMT
Shooting someone who wants to kill off your entire race is hardly psychotic, You agree on her terms, but then go "Reeee, I didn't promise not to shoot you". Petty angry outburst which doesn't change anything, seems pretty psychotic to me. Taking kickbacks to divert water from Prodromos You mean siding with Advent? |
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Post by melbella on Feb 13, 2018 1:34:41 GMT
Taking the kett data from Aden instead of letting the STG guy arrest him
Lying about the satellites to the angara astronomer
Edit: not telling the asari captain what Sarissa did
2d edit: hiding Nexus involvement with the Three Sabers
If these seem like small things, I only bring them up because that's what I did in my last PT so they are pretty fresh in my memory
No one mentioned letting Sloane get shot yet?
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Post by Shinobu on Feb 14, 2018 22:07:39 GMT
Experimenting on the Voeld whales Using the tech on the Cerberus Scientists Letting that Angara torture the Kett Saving the Angaran AI and enslaving it Letting the Angara keep the water Tanking kickbacks to divert water from Prodromos the Angarra water is a renegade choice? As in water supply? Yes, if I remember correctly there are two Krogan outside the cave dying of thirst. That one was more of a gray choice rather than full on renegade. The water was her discovery and the outcasts killed her brother, so she had reasons for denying Milky Way aliens water. |
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Post by Shinobu on Feb 14, 2018 22:08:46 GMT
Shooting someone who wants to kill off your entire race is hardly psychotic, You agree on her terms, but then go "Reeee, I didn't promise not to shoot you". Petty angry outburst which doesn't change anything, seems pretty psychotic to me. Taking kickbacks to divert water from Prodromos You mean siding with Advent? Yes, I think so. Again, that one was more of a gray choice than full on renegade. Without the kickbacks it would have been neutral. |
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Post by colfoley on Feb 14, 2018 23:04:14 GMT
the Angarra water is a renegade choice? As in water supply? Yes, if I remember correctly there are two Krogan outside the cave dying of thirst. That one was more of a gray choice rather than full on renegade. The water was her discovery and the outcasts killed her brother, so she had reasons for denying Milky Way aliens water. I do not remember Krogans being out there but if there were it certainly adds some context to the whole thing. |
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Post by LogicGunn on Feb 14, 2018 23:04:39 GMT
Shep was Paragon/Renegade/Neutral in terms of personality, Ryder is a very differently more complex but more restrictively defined character than that with some paragon/renegade style choices to make.
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Post by melbella on Feb 15, 2018 1:16:41 GMT
Yes, if I remember correctly there are two Krogan outside the cave dying of thirst. That one was more of a gray choice rather than full on renegade. The water was her discovery and the outcasts killed her brother, so she had reasons for denying Milky Way aliens water. I do not remember Krogans being out there but if there were it certainly adds some context to the whole thing.
The two krogan are sitting under the trees above the cave entrance. You can talk to them both before knowing about the quest and after getting it. I was annoyed that I couldn't tell them they were spot on re: the location, and that they were actually sitting right above a huge water reservoir. 
I flip flop on what to do for that quest each game. On the one hand, Annea and her brother did find it and did the leg work on making it available to people. With the vault turned on, water will become more common sooner rather than later so leaving it to her might be ok. On the other hand, people can be denied water (and likely sentenced to die) simply because she doesn't like them or is having a bad day. It's way too precarious of a situation and there's no real timeline on how soon the vault will kick in and render her obsolete.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 15, 2018 1:38:53 GMT
I do not remember Krogans being out there but if there were it certainly adds some context to the whole thing.
The two krogan are sitting under the trees above the cave entrance. You can talk to them both before knowing about the quest and after getting it. I was annoyed that I couldn't tell them they were spot on re: the location, and that they were actually sitting right above a huge water reservoir.
I flip flop on what to do for that quest each game. On the one hand, Annea and her brother did find it and did the leg work on making it available to people. With the vault turned on, water will become more common sooner rather than later so leaving it to her might be ok. On the other hand, people can be denied water (and likely sentenced to die) simply because she doesn't like them or is having a bad day. It's way too precarious of a situation and there's no real timeline on how soon the vault will kick in and render her obsolete.
Well that makes my decision with Robert even more dubious this time round. |
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Post by Ahriman on Feb 15, 2018 6:33:17 GMT
You agree on her terms, but then go "Reeee, I didn't promise not to shoot you". Petty angry outburst which doesn't change anything, seems pretty psychotic to me. You mean siding with Advent? Yes, I think so. Again, that one was more of a gray choice than full on renegade. Without the kickbacks it would have been neutral. I think it was pretty neutral. I'm not sure you remember this one correctly though. You aren't diverting water from Prodromos, on the opposite you begin diverting to Prodromos, but then Advent asks you to stop because you divert their water source. And then there is weird pickle on the cake, where single gas mine is dangerous to planet's ozone layer, no idea why they added this. |
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Post by Shinobu on Feb 15, 2018 17:23:56 GMT
Yes, I think so. Again, that one was more of a gray choice than full on renegade. Without the kickbacks it would have been neutral. I think it was pretty neutral. I'm not sure you remember this one correctly though. You aren't diverting water from Prodromos, on the opposite you begin diverting to Prodromos, but then Advent asks you to stop because you divert their water source. And then there is weird pickle on the cake, where single gas mine is dangerous to planet's ozone layer, no idea why they added this. Yes, it's been a while since I've played. Looking at the wiki it seems the choice is: 1) drill for gas, allow Advent to continue and trade with Prodromos, harm the environment 2) drill for water, Advent becomes nonviable because Prodromos gets their water, don't harm the environment They probably added the environment thing to poison the choice, because otherwise drilling for gas would be a no-brainer since Advent is peaceful. The kickbacks I remember were probably from the Annea quest on Elaaden. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 28, 2018 12:11:50 GMT
Renegade isn't possible in this game. You can be a jerk but it's not badass.
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