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Post by kalvarez on Oct 9, 2016 23:04:56 GMT
What? You're saying you would like a hot Chris Pratt-ish companion to bang or a Zoe Zaldana? Just joking. I didn't get GOTG vibe at all, but would it be that bad to have a little bit more humor? The parts I liked the most on ME were when they didn't take themselves so serious and the ridiculousness of it. Like the Hanar? It a fricking troll jello with stick legs
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Post by Dabrikishaw on Oct 10, 2016 15:48:20 GMT
If Bioware wants to ape the GoTG film in any fashion, I wouldn't want to stop them.
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Post by Felya87 on Oct 11, 2016 10:10:27 GMT
I would actually like a Guardian of the Galaxy vibe. Or even better, a Firefly wibe. A group of rascals that end up together for their different reasons, and adventure after adventure end up being a close group, akin to a family? who end up saving the day but stayng just a group of rascals, maybe with some new contanct in the "hight places" that can help them out of jail at the next brawl in a tavern? With sad/strong moments stempered by some good silly humor here and there? I would be all for it! But what I feel from what we have seen for Andromeda, I feel the "save the galaxy and became a great great great herrrrrro!" wibe. Sigh. I feel ME had such beautiful and versatile lore...we could have had so many "minor adventures". I think one of the reasons I liked more ME2 than the others games of the trilogy, even with all its defects, is that the characters are basically little more than space pirates. They don't assault ships, true, and are a "goody version" of pirates... but basically are an indipendent group with no political strings, they are not "legal" in any way. They are just a ship who travel in space doing what they feel is right, with no real obbligation but the "someone have to do it, and I'm doing it my way". Just my opinion
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Post by Iakus on Oct 11, 2016 19:27:40 GMT
I would actually like a Guardian of the Galaxy vibe. Or even better, a Firefly wibe. A group of rascals that end up together for their different reasons, and adventure after adventure end up being a close group, akin to a family? who end up saving the day but stayng just a group of rascals, maybe with some new contanct in the "hight places" that can help them out of jail at the next brawl in a tavern? With sad/strong moments stempered by some good silly humor here and there? I would be all for it! But where's the FEELZ in that?
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Post by Felya87 on Oct 11, 2016 20:49:44 GMT
I would actually like a Guardian of the Galaxy vibe. Or even better, a Firefly wibe. A group of rascals that end up together for their different reasons, and adventure after adventure end up being a close group, akin to a family? who end up saving the day but stayng just a group of rascals, maybe with some new contanct in the "hight places" that can help them out of jail at the next brawl in a tavern? With sad/strong moments stempered by some good silly humor here and there? I would be all for it! But where's the FEELZ in that? I am a leaf on the wind... Watch how I soar…
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Post by Iakus on Oct 11, 2016 20:58:37 GMT
But where's the FEELZ in that? I am a leaf on the wind... Watch how I soar… Too soon
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Post by Felya87 on Oct 11, 2016 21:06:08 GMT
I am a leaf on the wind... Watch how I soar… Too soon You wanted the FEELZ Firefly is full of them! I love that show! (plus movie). I have recently discovered there was a comic that continued the story... sadly I don't think it ever arrived in Italy, so I don't know how to find it
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Post by Iakus on Oct 11, 2016 21:23:53 GMT
Too soon You wanted the FEELZ Firefly is full of them! I love that show! (plus movie). I have recently discovered there was a comic that continued the story... sadly I don't think it ever arrived in Italy, so I don't know how to find it Yeah but if Mac write the script, Mal probably would have had to impale himself on a power generator to get the signal out, River would have become a Reaver and have to be put down by Simon, who dies in the process. Jayne and Zoe would have succumbed to their wounds, And Kaylee would have died blowing up the Serenity to kill the last of the Reavers. Leaving Inara in front of a memorial wall holding a plaque reading "Malcolm Reynolds" as she stares off into space. And at the very end, a charred, bloody brown coat gasps. FEELZ!
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Post by Felya87 on Oct 11, 2016 21:29:23 GMT
You wanted the FEELZ Firefly is full of them! I love that show! (plus movie). I have recently discovered there was a comic that continued the story... sadly I don't think it ever arrived in Italy, so I don't know how to find it Yeah but if Mac write the script, Mal probably would have had to impale himself on a power generator to get the signal out, River would have become a Reaver and have to be put down by Simon, who dies in the process. Jayne and Zoe would have succumbed to their wounds, And Kaylee would have died blowing up the Serenity to kill the last of the Reavers. Leaving Inara in front of a memorial wall holding a plaque reading "Malcolm Reynolds" as she stares off into space. And at the very end, a charred, bloody brown coat gasps. FEELZ! At least River, Simon, Jayne, Zoe and Kaylee would have had an ending! Most of the crew in ME3 didn't even had that... and the ME2 companions had jut a vague pic in the extended cut.
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Post by Ieldra on Oct 12, 2016 8:51:22 GMT
As for the "feelz", I have a serious passion for good SciFi that eclipses anything I feel about most characters. For the same reason, silly stuff like that exposed skin in space in ME2 can adversely affect my appreciation of a SciFi story far more than bland characters. Good characters are a dime a dozen, but most people who make SF on visual media appear to think they can just ignore consistency and at least some realism if only there's enough drama. I think cheap drama can destroy any story, and it has adversely affected, for instance, ME3 as a whole far more than the ending.
So here's a resounding "NO" to the unintentionally silly stuff, and please keep the humor below the parody level and put some serious SFness into the story. That will do much more for my emotional connection to the story than character drama, which feels forced most of the time anyway.
Edit: With regard to Iakus' comments: I like things to be more serious, I even like the "deeper" stuff, but serious and deep themes have to arise naturally from the story. Also, "serious and deep" is different from "grimdark" or "downer". Warhammer 40K is grimdark but I could never take that universe seriously. It's just too over-the-top. ME3 attempted to introduce a metaphysical dimension into its ending, and that failed spectacularly because it wasn't grounded in the story that came before and because it was attached to the enemy boss. Some of ME3's sideplots addressed some pretty fundamental stuff, too, and there it worked much better because it *was* grounded in the world.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 12, 2016 14:38:18 GMT
Edit: With regard to Iakus' comments: I like things to be more serious, I even like the "deeper" stuff, but serious and deep themes have to arise naturally from the story. Also, "serious and deep" is different from "grimdark" or "downer". Warhammer 40K is grimdark but I could never take that universe seriously. It's just too over-the-top. ME3 attempted to introduce a metaphysical dimension into its ending, and that failed spectacularly because it wasn't grounded in the story that came before and because it was attached to the enemy boss. Some of ME3's sideplots addressed some pretty fundamental stuff, too, and there it worked much better because it *was* grounded in the world. I am, of course, having some fun with the whole Firefly thing. "Serious" is fine. Serious fun. but when a story starts taking itself too seriously (like Mass Effect ended up doing) it starts going down the path of True Art is Angsty. It becomes dark just because they think it makes the story more "real" or "deeper". This is something I think Mac Walters and the other writers to this very day don't understand, given their attitude about players simply not "getting" the end of ME3. Mass Effect lost site of their own setting. A heroic fantasy set in space (well, they didn't forget the "fantasy" part, what with all the space magic) It would not surprise me at all if Mac and/or Casey were 40K players. That and they had some kind of Message to tell their audience, and holding them captive while they tried to hammer it home seemed like a good idea at the time.
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Post by Vortex13 on Oct 12, 2016 17:53:14 GMT
Edit: With regard to Iakus' comments: I like things to be more serious, I even like the "deeper" stuff, but serious and deep themes have to arise naturally from the story. Also, "serious and deep" is different from "grimdark" or "downer". Warhammer 40K is grimdark but I could never take that universe seriously. It's just too over-the-top. ME3 attempted to introduce a metaphysical dimension into its ending, and that failed spectacularly because it wasn't grounded in the story that came before and because it was attached to the enemy boss. Some of ME3's sideplots addressed some pretty fundamental stuff, too, and there it worked much better because it *was* grounded in the world. I am, of course, having some fun with the whole Firefly thing. "Serious" is fine. Serious fun. but when a story starts taking itself too seriously (like Mass Effect ended up doing) it starts going down the path of True Art is Angsty. It becomes dark just because they think it makes the story more "real" or "deeper". This is something I think Mac Walters and the other writers to this very day don't understand, given their attitude about players simply not "getting" the end of ME3. Mass Effect lost site of their own setting. A heroic fantasy set in space (well, they didn't forget the "fantasy" part, what with all the space magic) It would not surprise me at all if Mac and/or Casey were 40K players. That and they had some kind of Message to tell their audience, and holding them captive while they tried to hammer it home seemed like a good idea at the time. I wouldn't go so far as to lump them in with us WH40K fans. Warhammer is grim dark, but not angsty grim dark, there's a definite line between those two points. In WH40K's grim dark your hero will in all likelihood die and/or go insane, but they will do it murdering countless foes before they are (quite literally in some cases) buried beneath the bodies of their enemies. This all being approached as the logical end point of said hero's journey even before the adventure begins, and even in more serious stories set in the setting its all still approached with a level of "fun" in the way of wanton slaughter and mayhem. Angsty grim dark is your hero moping about the meaning of life and death before being arbitrarily killed off for the 'feelz'. I agree with you in general, just had to point out that distinction
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Post by Iakus on Oct 12, 2016 19:29:06 GMT
Angsty grim dark is your hero moping about the meaning of life and death before being arbitrarily killed off for the 'feelz'. I agree with you in general, just had to point out that distinction But you’re taking away our future. Without a future we have no hope. Without hope we might as well be machines, programmed to do as we are told.*enter RGB and arbitrary death*
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 14:49:50 GMT
As to the whole Guardians concern, I didn't get a feeling Andromeda was channeling Guardians at all.
There are elements of Guardians I wouldn't mind seeing in Andromeda though, like the quips and banter between the crew, but then that isn't alien to the Mass Effect trilogy, there has always been that element in all three games, they just increased it with each entry, and that humour aspect shouldn't go away in Andromeda I think.
Overall Guardians and ME are different kinds of space fantasy/sci-fi, and even if Andromeda fundamentally feels different to the ME games that came before, I don't see it becoming a full on Guardians clone, but sure I wouldn't be surprised if a few production details or elements that strike familiar will be there.
Also, as to the whole ludicrousness of silly space suits meet hazardous and toxic environments, I would like to see some realistic sticking to lore or just sensible and established adherence to basic rules about being in hazardous environments. The fact Miranda could walk around planets like Tarith in a stupid catsuit and bubble mask (I thought of Fleur and Cedric's breather bubbles from Goblet of Fire when I first saw them) broke immersion very easily. Sure ME2 took a lighter tone, and wasn't as serious, but breaks in lore and realism like that are cheap and lazy and hopefully shouldn't be seen in MEA.
But every piece of sci-fi and space fantasy does have breaks in realism here and there, and basic scientific fact, it wouldn't be fiction after all. But there is a point between a slight break in scientific fact to help the fantastical aspects of your fictional story, and stupidness like making sure in no way is Miranda concealed behind proper hazardous planet armour or breather protective equipment because of her ASSets.
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Post by heathenoxman on Oct 13, 2016 17:44:06 GMT
Screw GOTG.
If they're going to ape anything, it should be "Farscape."
It's "Farscape," or GTFO (get the frell out).
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Post by KirkyX on Oct 13, 2016 18:08:09 GMT
Screw GOTG. If they're going to ape anything, it should be "Farscape." It's "Farscape," or GTFO (get the frell out). Frell Farscape! If this is an ape-off, let the best ape win! (The best ape is Picard. Empirical fact.) (Okay, fine, Farscape's pretty great too.) (But dat Picard tho.)
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Post by Cyberstrike on Oct 15, 2016 21:54:30 GMT
A family going to a new uncharted galaxy, because their old galaxy is likely destroyed. Going to a galaxy where they are the invading aliens and likely really, REALLY, unwelcomed. Having to set up a home in order to save their species and the species that were with them. So far, that doesn't sound like GoTG. Just because it has space and aliens, doesn't make it a GoTG rip-off. If that's the case, GoTG ripped-off the Orions from 1966 Star Trek, by making Gamora (Orions are green skinned). MEA is about saving the life of your family and self, not 1/4 of an uncharted galaxy. Guardians of the Galaxy is a LOT closer to Farscape than it is to Star Trek, hell character-wise GotG basically IS an unofficial Farscape movie. Mass Effect is basically homage to every major sci-fi movie and TV shows since the 80s including Babylon 5, Crusade, Battlestar Galactica, Caprica, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Wars, Farscape, Aliens, Predator, Firefly, Serenity, Blade Runner, and more.
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Post by Jaal Ama Darav (Kierro) on Oct 16, 2016 1:54:41 GMT
A family going to a new uncharted galaxy, because their old galaxy is likely destroyed. Going to a galaxy where they are the invading aliens and likely really, REALLY, unwelcomed. Having to set up a home in order to save their species and the species that were with them. So far, that doesn't sound like GoTG. Just because it has space and aliens, doesn't make it a GoTG rip-off. If that's the case, GoTG ripped-off the Orions from 1966 Star Trek, by making Gamora (Orions are green skinned). MEA is about saving the life of your family and self, not 1/4 of an uncharted galaxy. Guardians of the Galaxy is a LOT closer to Farscape than it is to Star Trek, hell character-wise GotG basically IS an unofficial Farscape movie. Mass Effect is basically homage to every major sci-fi movie and TV shows since the 80s including Babylon 5, Crusade, Battlestar Galactica, Caprica, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Wars, Farscape, Aliens, Predator, Firefly, Serenity, Blade Runner, and more. Um, nooo... Farscape was made in 1998-2002, GoTG was 1969, Star Trek was 1966-1967. Gamora showed up in 1975. So, no, sorry but you're wrong on Farscape. Gamora's green skin and look is Orion from Star Trek.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 16, 2016 18:00:44 GMT
Anyone else really like Titan A.E.? I wouldn't mind an ME game capturing some of the feel of that movie, like how the protagonist starts off working for some dingy salvage asteroid.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Oct 16, 2016 21:07:40 GMT
Guardians of the Galaxy is a LOT closer to Farscape than it is to Star Trek, hell character-wise GotG basically IS an unofficial Farscape movie. Mass Effect is basically homage to every major sci-fi movie and TV shows since the 80s including Babylon 5, Crusade, Battlestar Galactica, Caprica, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Wars, Farscape, Aliens, Predator, Firefly, Serenity, Blade Runner, and more. Um, nooo... Farscape was made in 1998-2002, GoTG was 1969, Star Trek was 1966-1967. Gamora showed up in 1975. So, no, sorry but you're wrong on Farscape. Gamora's green skin and look is Orion from Star Trek. The original comic book version of GotG is not the version that movie is based on the current version. Character wise they are pretty much type of characters. Star-Lord=John Crichton. The only real difference is the age that they left Earth. Gamora=Aeryn Warrior woman who start out not liking the male hero but do fall in love with them. Drax=D'Argo Big warrior who take everything way too seriously to the point of them being funny and they have their own personal needs for revenge. Rocket Racoon=Rygel Small scheming greedy smart-ass bastards. Groot=Zhaan The soul of their respective teams and also walking and talking plants. Ronan=Scorpius Super ambitious villains who are nowhere near as smart/ruthless as they think are. Nova Corps=The Peacekeepers Morally questionable space cops. In the comics the Nova Corps were basically Marvel's version of DC's Green Lantern Corps.
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Post by Vortex13 on Oct 17, 2016 14:36:43 GMT
Anyone else really like Titan A.E.? I wouldn't mind an ME game capturing some of the feel of that movie, like how the protagonist starts off working for some dingy salvage asteroid. I would like to see Mass Effect approach things similar to Titan A.E. as well. Aside from a more 'grounded' protagonist, I did like how humanity wasn't some god race or a species of special snowflakes in that universe. Practically all the aliens in that film, save for the villains and the two on the ship's crew, didn't give a flying fig about humanity. We weren't some messianic people, destined to lead galactic progress, we were a very small part of a much larger universe that really didn't care what happened to us, one way or the other. I feel that BioWare should take some of that thematic atmosphere and utilize it more in their stories.
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Post by Ahriman on Oct 17, 2016 14:58:54 GMT
Anyone else really like Titan A.E.? I wouldn't mind an ME game capturing some of the feel of that movie, like how the protagonist starts off working for some dingy salvage asteroid. I did like how humanity wasn't some god race or a species of special snowflakes in that universe. Uhm, did you forget that humanity was hunted there because it exactly was special snowflake?
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Post by Vortex13 on Oct 17, 2016 15:31:43 GMT
I did like how humanity wasn't some god race or a species of special snowflakes in that universe. Uhm, did you forget that humanity was hunted there because it exactly was special snowflake? To a highly religious and xenophobic alien species comprised of energy, to the rest of the galaxy humans weren't anything special. EDIT: I mean when Earth (and the moon) are literally removed from the face of the universe at the beginning of the film all the other alien species out there collectively shrug and go "Eh"; if the current state of humanity by the following ten minutes of footage is anything to go by. Comparatively, BioWare has the Turians willingly giving up one of the few contested planets in the galaxy to go blindly charge behind enemy lines to go "Take Back Earth" and this is before the Reapers even move the Citadel there.
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Post by Ahriman on Oct 17, 2016 16:35:40 GMT
Uhm, did you forget that humanity was hunted there because it exactly was special snowflake? To a highly religious and xenophobic alien species comprised of energy, to the rest of the galaxy humans weren't anything special. EDIT: I mean when Earth (and the moon) are literally removed from the face of the universe at the beginning of the film all the other alien species out there collectively shrug and go "Eh"; if the current state of humanity by the following ten minutes of footage is anything to go by. Comparatively, BioWare has the Turians willingly giving up one of the few contested planets in the galaxy to go blindly charge behind enemy lines to go "Take Back Earth" and this is before the Reapers even move the Citadel there. The thing is that they didn't even need any major support because a couple of them was enough to destroy most dangerous species in the galaxy. So I honestly doubt that this is a good example of non-snowflake humans.
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Post by Vortex13 on Oct 17, 2016 23:39:38 GMT
To a highly religious and xenophobic alien species comprised of energy, to the rest of the galaxy humans weren't anything special. EDIT: I mean when Earth (and the moon) are literally removed from the face of the universe at the beginning of the film all the other alien species out there collectively shrug and go "Eh"; if the current state of humanity by the following ten minutes of footage is anything to go by. Comparatively, BioWare has the Turians willingly giving up one of the few contested planets in the galaxy to go blindly charge behind enemy lines to go "Take Back Earth" and this is before the Reapers even move the Citadel there. The thing is that they didn't even need any major support because a couple of them was enough to destroy most dangerous species in the galaxy. So I honestly doubt that this is a good example of non-snowflake humans. I would say that their victory over the Dredge was less about being special snowflakes and more about making a gamble with a superweapon as an act of desperation and hoping that the energy beings would be enough to fuel it's activation. The fact that the entire Dredge species decided to make their home on a single ship was more of a plot contrivance than anything. Even then, there wasn't anything special snowflake-y about the win, just blind luck. Humans were no better off at the conclusion to that film than when they still had Earth. They weren't innately superior to all the other aliens just by existing, nor were they suddenly in a position of power over all the other beings in the galaxy.
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