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Post by scotthedge12 on Feb 28, 2018 2:41:04 GMT
I haven't played since about June, I came back and it still seems like my only good gun is still the vanquisher lol. Are assault rifles still this terrible? What are considered the best kits/guns now? I'm tired of the human infiltrator despite her being awesome.
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Post by vanelsa on Feb 28, 2018 5:45:49 GMT
What guns do you currently have besides the Vanquisher?
Top tier weapons for me include, but are not limited to: Rozerad, Hurricane, Shorty, Piranha, Kishock Harpoon Gun, P.A.W., Dhan, Scattershot.
In the right hands, the Soned and Black Widow can be very good. Assault Rifles in general are outclassed by the UR pistols.
Siphon variants of these weapons are the best, but the UR variants will take you a long time to get if you’re just getting back into the game.
All kits are viable on all difficulties and can be fun to use.
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Post by Arkhne on Feb 28, 2018 8:47:48 GMT
It might sound silly, but the S Variants are actually decent guns (for their class), getting magical space variants of those are actually worth considering over a lot of non-variant URs.
X5 Ghost is fine if you don't mind low damage per shot (But is pinpoint accurate, so sustain headshots is a thing, Concussive X5 Ghost is a good AR). Scattershot is a godly weapon, if you get a Siphon version of that, which is easier than getting the UR you want, then you're pretty much set. Viper S is a very good non-UR Sniper, especially in variants, it's similar to Vanquisher, but slightly better, imho. Charger S and Talon are very good pistols, though Rozerade/Ushior/Silhesh/Hurricane are better, those are all UR, so difficult to get, and much more difficult to get variants of.
Honestly, most of my characters use Scattershot, and those that don't, use Rozerade/Silhesh/ChargerS.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 28, 2018 16:01:01 GMT
It's all fucking peashooters until you unlock something useful, but good luck with that and the item bloat.
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Post by Arkhne on Feb 28, 2018 16:02:49 GMT
It's all fucking peashooters until you unlock something useful, but good luck with that and the item bloat. Yup, MEAMP is all about the Debuffs. Something like the Artificer can turn any gun into respectable DPS, just need to find one that "handles" the way you like.
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Post by binkypoomcsnuggles on Feb 28, 2018 21:13:10 GMT
sovoa is probably the best AR nowadays especially with magazine size mod and a mouse macro.
The main drawback is it will give nearby little children seizures so "caveat emptor"
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Post by burnsidhe on Feb 28, 2018 21:49:58 GMT
Assault rifles are really only good on Turbocharge characters, and that means only the automatic rifles. The X5 Ghost in the hands of a turbocharge character is almost ideal. Has a decent punch, pretty accurate, and has the magazine capacity to outlast the entire Turbocharge duration.
The exceptions are the two Remnant rifles. Both are fairly good on almost any character that can handle the weight. The Sovoa is... well, it has a good punch but its magazine capacity is terrible. For that one, you definitely want Turbocharge 6B.
Other than that, assault rifles are outclassed in every way by every other weapon category. Pistols have both higher damage weapons and higher rate of fire weapons, sometimes in the same firearm. Sniper rifles have better damage and better accuracy. And shotguns do more damage and are more useful in the close-in fights you get in routinely.
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Mar 1, 2018 0:59:29 GMT
Vanquisher.... At this moment all the guns are just twisted to hell. But no one is using the vanquisher unless they have no other options. I saw vanelsa say the sonded can be very good... fun =/= good. While the gun is fun to use, it is complete trash do to heavy, accuracy, and damage. The gun needs 50% more damage or a armor/shield mod. Most of the guns in the game have been outdone by URs, and most URs have been outdone by lighter same-function weapons. Kishock Rozerad Black Widow Piranha/Shorty Dhan/Crusader PAW Sovoa/Naladen Valkyrie/Ushior can be on the list if headshots are accounted, just for overall weight/damage/function. If its anything besides whats on the list then its just for fun. Of course this is counting gold-platinum. Silver and below you can use w/e makes you think its awesome. But vanquisher.....
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Post by cerberuswasright on Mar 1, 2018 2:37:09 GMT
There are far too many guns in the game, almost all of them being bad. I still wish the enemies were less spongy.
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Post by Scathane on Mar 1, 2018 11:08:05 GMT
Assault rifles are really only good on Turbocharge characters, and that means only the automatic rifles. The X5 Ghost in the hands of a turbocharge character is almost ideal. Has a decent punch, pretty accurate, and has the magazine capacity to outlast the entire Turbocharge duration. The exceptions are the two Remnant rifles. Both are fairly good on almost any character that can handle the weight. The Sovoa is... well, it has a good punch but its magazine capacity is terrible. For that one, you definitely want Turbocharge 6B. Other than that, assault rifles are outclassed in every way by every other weapon category. Pistols have both higher damage weapons and higher rate of fire weapons, sometimes in the same firearm. Sniper rifles have better damage and better accuracy. And shotguns do more damage and are more useful in the close-in fights you get in routinely. Doesn't that go for SMGs as well, then?
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Mar 1, 2018 12:15:07 GMT
Still waiting for that PAW siphon to drop plz god of RNG do eet.. DOOO EEET NOW
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Post by gnperdue on Mar 1, 2018 12:53:23 GMT
There are far too many guns in the game, almost all of them being bad. I still wish the enemies were less spongy. This. They should have made half the number of guns and twice the characters. You can use the BEST guns on any character, so by definition, even “good” guns are not good enough. They also really should have included many more hidden bonuses on guns - shield/armor/weakpoint bonuses, innate piercing, etc. That way even tier two guns could be interesting with the right build and boosters or in certain situations, etc.
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Post by Arkhne on Mar 1, 2018 13:14:05 GMT
sovoa is probably the best AR nowadays especially with magazine size mod and a mouse macro. The main drawback is it will give nearby little children seizures so "caveat emptor" It's not just little children, a sovoa user on my team can prematurely end my play session, even if it's the first match, if I cannot stay far enough away from their seizure inducing vomit. This game is bright and flashing enough without it, with it, it's just over the top.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Mar 1, 2018 13:45:41 GMT
There are far too many guns in the game, almost all of them being bad. I still wish the enemies were less spongy. This. They should have made half the number of guns and twice the characters. You can use the BEST guns on any character, so by definition, even “good” guns are not good enough. They also really should have included many more hidden bonuses on guns - shield/armor/weakpoint bonuses, innate piercing, etc. That way even tier two guns could be interesting with the right build and boosters or in certain situations, etc. Some of them actually are just really usable even on platinum, the tier two guns. But as in any other game, you'll ditch them when you get better.
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Post by vanelsa on Mar 1, 2018 14:09:34 GMT
This thread made me want to highlight some lesser-used guns.
So, coming up next is my Human Male Adept Platinum solo using the X5 Ghost Siphon X and the N7 Valkyrie Siphon. The X5 Ghost is certainly no Rozerad or Hurricane, but it got the job done... slowly and with help from the Valkyrie and all my Cobra RPGs during a stressful Wave 4 Boss objective!
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Mar 2, 2018 0:54:35 GMT
There are far too many guns in the game, almost all of them being bad. I still wish the enemies were less spongy. This. They should have made half the number of guns and twice the characters. You can use the BEST guns on any character, so by definition, even “good” guns are not good enough. They also really should have included many more hidden bonuses on guns - shield/armor/weakpoint bonuses, innate piercing, etc. That way even tier two guns could be interesting with the right build and boosters or in certain situations, etc. Some of the guns do have shield and armor bonuses, but they aren't anything that puts them over the top or makes one gun like hurricane any different than rozerad or silhesh. SMGs being the main issue in the game because they offer assault rifle destruction with much higher RoF, better weight, and with 1 mod more accuracy. If the SMGs in the game actually all "bloomed" out like a decreased accuracy piranha and kicked with more recoil like a valiant with stability down mods, assault rifles would be more significant. Or even better, if the "base" hidden mods on SMGs were +shield/-armor.
Right now if anyone who has both a rozerad and a soned unlocked, take a look at the comparison stats... who the fuck thought that shyt was a great idea...
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Post by burnsidhe on Mar 3, 2018 18:50:24 GMT
Assault rifles are really only good on Turbocharge characters, and that means only the automatic rifles. The X5 Ghost in the hands of a turbocharge character is almost ideal. Has a decent punch, pretty accurate, and has the magazine capacity to outlast the entire Turbocharge duration. ... Doesn't that go for SMGs as well, then? Not really, no. Full-auto pistols are usable by all characters without the heavier weight of an assault rifle, do equal or more damage than an assault rifle, have more ammo than an assault rifle, have the same range as an assault rifle, and are only slightly less accurate as an assault rifle. Unless its the Rozerad, which is basically the best full-auto weapon in the game and better than any assault rifle. As a result, the only people who can use automatic assault rifles, that are *not* better off just using a full-auto SMG, are characters with Turbocharge. Turbocharge, you see, is designed to overcome the deficiencies of the assault rifle categories. Boosts ammo, accuracy, stability, damage... while you can use Turbocharge with an SMG, it doesn't do nearly as much for them as it does for an assault rifle.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Mar 4, 2018 1:37:25 GMT
The Lancer with AP IV is pretty good for every character.
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Post by Scathane on Mar 4, 2018 2:56:02 GMT
Doesn't that go for SMGs as well, then? Not really, no. Full-auto pistols are usable by all characters without the heavier weight of an assault rifle, do equal or more damage than an assault rifle, have more ammo than an assault rifle, have the same range as an assault rifle, and are only slightly less accurate as an assault rifle. Unless its the Rozerad, which is basically the best full-auto weapon in the game and better than any assault rifle. As a result, the only people who can use automatic assault rifles, that are *not* better off just using a full-auto SMG, are characters with Turbocharge. Turbocharge, you see, is designed to overcome the deficiencies of the assault rifle categories. Boosts ammo, accuracy, stability, damage... while you can use Turbocharge with an SMG, it doesn't do nearly as much for them as it does for an assault rifle. The difference (or the lack thereof) in weight and range are unaffected by Turbocharge, so they're irrelevant. All the differences (come to think of it, the former two as well) also exist between any random (automatic) AR compared to any other gun, even if it's another AR. Everyone is better off using an SMG over an AR, TG or not...
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Post by burnsidhe on Mar 4, 2018 15:48:04 GMT
Perhaps a better way to put it would be:
The only characters most assault rifles are good on are characters with turbocharge, if you want to use a rifle like the Avenger, Revenant, X5 Ghost, Thoned, or Avenger S.
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Post by snowleopard25 on Mar 4, 2018 16:50:45 GMT
Perhaps a better way to put it would be: The only characters most assault rifles are good on are characters with turbocharge, if you want to use a rifle like the Avenger, Revenant, X5 Ghost, Thoned, or Avenger S. Perhaps an even better way to put it would be to list all the characters that assault rifles are good on. Here's the list:
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Mar 4, 2018 17:07:56 GMT
Even with turbocharge, using any of those assault rifles in a gold game, is a burden to the rest of your squad. The damage reduction is to high and bullet damage to low, even with AMPIV and 20% assault rifle equipment, every single assault rifle is terrible minus P.A.W., Sovoa and Valkyrie. Even on gold the SMG kingdom takes a back seat if your shooting anything yellow. And PAW is only good because its a reliable laser in the eyes.
Every kit should have a heavy hitter weapon (1K damage+per shot) and a DoT. Turbocharge doesn't offer anything to ARs that it doesn't to SMGs. ACtually the only weapon class they favor are 1-3 shot sniper rifles/shotguns since it enables an extra shot per clip. Nothing in the game tops 15 black widow headshots. Took down 2 gold destroyers before turbocharge wore off.
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