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Post by sgtreed24 on Mar 6, 2018 4:58:53 GMT
After playing this section again for the first time in years... it occurred to me, who the heck was Wilson working for AND/OR was he really the one behind the "attack" at the beginning of the game?
Maybe it's said somewhere in the accompanying media such as books and comics, but it's not explained in game.
My personal theory is that it was actually a plan put in place by TIM and carried out by Miranda. They wanted a way to test the newly rebuilt cyborg Commander Shepard to see if he was up to par to begin work for them. So they had Miranda sabotage the mechs and set them lose, not caring about whoever was caught in the crossfire, because Cerberus doesn't care about collateral damage. Then Miranda shot Wilson before he could be questioned or have any input in a conversation with Shepard and Miranda so that he could, literally, take the fall for it with Shepard being none the wiser.
I'm probably wrong though lol. Anyone know what the real deal with that whole situation is/was?
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Post by themikefest on Mar 6, 2018 5:31:15 GMT
The reason for Wilson's betrayal was originally unknown. Various logs written by Wilson indicate frustration with Miranda's standoffish attitude, possibly indicating he snapped due to personal reasons or was attempting to elicit some sort of privileged information from Miranda. While going through information available aboard the Shadow Broker's base, however, Shepard uncovers proof in the files regarding Legion that Wilson was in fact working for the Shadow Broker.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 6, 2018 5:35:00 GMT
If you listen to his journals in one of the labs (I think a "dying" mech is crawling on the floor inside of it) he's clearly pissed that billions of credits are being thrown into reviving Shepard while not much of it is making its way to him. He can't be fully behind the mechs because that was a virus that began elsewhere and spread throughout the galaxy. Shadow Broker, I think, which might be in retribution for not handing over the Cerberus files in ME1 (just finished Hades Dog).
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Post by sgtreed24 on Mar 6, 2018 13:13:45 GMT
If you listen to his journals in one of the labs (I think a "dying" mech is crawling on the floor inside of it) he's clearly pissed that billions of credits are being thrown into reviving Shepard while not much of it is making its way to him. He can't be fully behind the mechs because that was a virus that began elsewhere and spread throughout the galaxy. Shadow Broker, I think, which might be in retribution for not handing over the Cerberus files in ME1 (just finished Hades Dog). I did hand over the files in ME1 though. So that can't be it unless of course it's retconned that you didn't hand them over. |
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Post by sgtreed24 on Mar 6, 2018 13:15:42 GMT
The reason for Wilson's betrayal was originally unknown. Various logs written by Wilson indicate frustration with Miranda's standoffish attitude, possibly indicating he snapped due to personal reasons or was attempting to elicit some sort of privileged information from Miranda. While going through information available aboard the Shadow Broker's base, however, Shepard uncovers proof in the files regarding Legion that Wilson was in fact working for the Shadow Broker.
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Wilson Well, there ya go... I knew LotSB was important for some reason  That's kinda lame though. I like my idea better haha Mods or whoever feel free to close the thread. Unless people wanna hate on wilson or whatever.  |
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 6, 2018 17:45:18 GMT
Blowing up their own space station just to test Shepard would have seemed a little excessive to me, I think. You'd think theyd have been able to re-use some of that super expensive Lazarus equipment otherwise. But then, they were resurrecting Shepard. They probably figured the base was gonna blow up anyway. |
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Post by sgtreed24 on Mar 6, 2018 19:29:28 GMT
Blowing up their own space station just to test Shepard would have seemed a little excessive to me, I think. You'd think theyd have been able to re-use some of that super expensive Lazarus equipment otherwise. But then, they were resurrecting Shepard. They probably figured the base was gonna blow up anyway.  Idk, Cerberus was always doing stuff that didn't make much sense. I wouldn't put it past them to blow up their own shit to test Shepard. Sounds EXACTLY like something they'd do. lol |
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 7, 2018 4:34:56 GMT
Blowing up their own space station just to test Shepard would have seemed a little excessive to me, I think. You'd think theyd have been able to re-use some of that super expensive Lazarus equipment otherwise. But then, they were resurrecting Shepard. They probably figured the base was gonna blow up anyway. Idk, Cerberus was always doing stuff that didn't make much sense. I wouldn't put it past them to blow up their own shit to test Shepard. Sounds EXACTLY like something they'd do. lol Didn't Joker even make fun of them for stuff like that in the Citadel DLC during the party? |
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 7, 2018 5:25:42 GMT
Idk, Cerberus was always doing stuff that didn't make much sense. I wouldn't put it past them to blow up their own shit to test Shepard. Sounds EXACTLY like something they'd do. lol Didn't Joker even make fun of them for stuff like that in the Citadel DLC during the party? Yeo, though Joker is more going on about Cerberus getting their own people killed. He's like "they experimented on rachni until they got loose and killed all their guys, then came the husks until they got loose and killed all their guys then the geth until they got loose and killed all their guys." Miranda does try a defense: At least we got something right when resurrecting Shepard. To which Shep replies: Well, technically, after the collector base, I got loose and killed all their guys.  Gotta love Citadel. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 7, 2018 5:38:13 GMT
Didn't Joker even make fun of them for stuff like that in the Citadel DLC during the party? Yeo, though Joker is more going on about Cerberus getting their own people killed. He's like "they experimented on rachni until they got loose and killed all their guys, then came the husks until they got loose and killed all their guys then the geth until they got loose and killed all their guys." Miranda does try a defense: At least we got something right when resurrecting Shepard. To which Shep replies: Well, technically, after the collector base, I got loose and killed all their guys. Gotta love Citadel. Yes, and I don't understand how anyone can fail to love it. It may have temporarily pulled us from the dread pervading the rest of ME3 but it made you feel good. It made me feel like, even if Shepard & Co didn't survive, at least they got this one last amazing ride. |
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 10, 2018 18:32:02 GMT
The prologue is inconsistent and not well thought out. I mean why would the Collectors attack the Normandy in the first place if they want to abduct humans on board. The guy who did GamingSins has a good point about Shepard's death is pointless on the 2nd game, and it would make sense for them to have Shepard killed in ME1, gave him a military funeral, store his body in a facility for burial, have Cerberus stole his body and continued the Lazarus Project from there. And how does Shepard's body survive in the vacuum of space descending on the planet's atmosphere remained intact? Shepard's body would've been disintegrated by now. Writers need to look over their script and think things over next time.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 10, 2018 22:32:28 GMT
The prologue is inconsistent and not well thought out. I mean why would the Collectors attack the Normandy in the first place if they want to abduct humans on board. The guy who did GamingSins has a good point about Shepard's death is pointless on the 2nd game, and it would make sense for them to have Shepard killed in ME1, gave him a military funeral, store his body in a facility for burial, have Cerberus stole his body and continued the Lazarus Project from there. And how Shepard's body survive in the vacuum of space descending on the planet's atmosphere remained intact? Shepard's body would've been disintegrated by now. Writers need to look over their script and think things over next time. Definitely. Vacuum of space is one thing, but falling through the atmosphere and hitting the ground at how fast? - that's quite another. The distance and speed alone would have left little more than a smear, unless that armor is tougher than we ever imagined. Even there it's inconsistent since the helmet supposedly kept Shepard's brain intact but we find it on the ground on Alchera. Kind of makes you wonder if the clone isn't the real Shepard regenerated (with brain damage, accounting for lack of memory) and the clone is who woke up on Lazarus Station. I'm not looking for things to go that way, mind you, but it would almost make more sense. |
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 11, 2018 5:09:41 GMT
The prologue is inconsistent and not well thought out. I mean why would the Collectors attack the Normandy in the first place if they want to abduct humans on board. The guy who did GamingSins has a good point about Shepard's death is pointless on the 2nd game, and it would make sense for them to have Shepard killed in ME1, gave him a military funeral, store his body in a facility for burial, have Cerberus stole his body and continued the Lazarus Project from there. And how Shepard's body survive in the vacuum of space descending on the planet's atmosphere remained intact? Shepard's body would've been disintegrated by now. Writers need to look over their script and think things over next time. Definitely. Vacuum of space is one thing, but falling through the atmosphere and hitting the ground at how fast? - that's quite another. The distance and speed alone would have left little more than a smear, unless that armor is tougher than we ever imagined. Even there it's inconsistent since the helmet supposedly kept Shepard's brain intact but we find it on the ground on Alchera. Kind of makes you wonder if the clone isn't the real Shepard regenerated (with brain damage, accounting for lack of memory) and the clone is who woke up on Lazarus Station. I'm not looking for things to go that way, mind you, but it would almost make more sense. They could've kept that story about the clone. I'm beginning to think that the writers are not taking their work seriously. |
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Post by sgtreed24 on Mar 12, 2018 15:03:23 GMT
Was it said somewhere that the Collectors were attacking the Normandy to try to harvest them? I thought it's captain was just being controlled by Harbinger and was deliberately trying to kill Shepard for thwarting their return in ME1.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 12, 2018 16:34:33 GMT
Was it said somewhere that the Collectors were attacking the Normandy to try to harvest them? I thought it's captain was just being controlled by Harbinger and was deliberately trying to kill Shepard for thwarting their return in ME1. Captain? You mean the Collector General? It's unclear, other than that the same ship that destroyed the SR1 was also following the SR2 - or attracting their attention in some capacity. In any case, they clearly did intend to harvest them but they could hardly have been a major prize. Too few to be worthwhile. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 21, 2018 11:56:52 GMT
After playing this section again for the first time in years... it occurred to me, who the heck was Wilson working for AND/OR was he really the one behind the "attack" at the beginning of the game? Maybe it's said somewhere in the accompanying media such as books and comics, but it's not explained in game. My personal theory is that it was actually a plan put in place by TIM and carried out by Miranda. They wanted a way to test the newly rebuilt cyborg Commander Shepard to see if he was up to par to begin work for them. So they had Miranda sabotage the mechs and set them lose, not caring about whoever was caught in the crossfire, because Cerberus doesn't care about collateral damage. Then Miranda shot Wilson before he could be questioned or have any input in a conversation with Shepard and Miranda so that he could, literally, take the fall for it with Shepard being none the wiser. I'm probably wrong though lol. Anyone know what the real deal with that whole situation is/was? |
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