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Post by onionjack on Oct 23, 2018 15:37:57 GMT
BioWare gifted Asari Valkyrie Sentinel with all that power just to hide her true nature... once you embrace the full-on asarigasming melee build, there's no turning back. Hmm I need to do some research and give a new try, I never have figured how she works |
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Post by ElCid on Oct 23, 2018 16:19:04 GMT
BioWare gifted Asari Valkyrie Sentinel with all that power just to hide her true nature... once you embrace the full-on asarigasming melee build, there's no turning back. Hmm I need to do some research and give a new try, I never have figured how she works She is pretty much a more resilient N7 Fury. With Tech Armor you can get the bonus Power Damage upgrade, and with Annihilation Field + Warp you melt stuff pretty fast. I like rolling her with a N7 Piranha with Armor Rounds to shred Banshees in seconds after a Biotic Explosion. As aforementioned by our good folks, N7 Fury has Dark Channel, meaning she can detonate combos from afar with Throw, making her more defensive and viable on maps of any size. The Asari Valkyrie is a more bulky frontline Biotic that is great to fight bosses, but cannot detonate combos from distances; she also performs a bit poorly on larger maps. I haven't tried that Melee Build that Boatinhovic suggested. Might give it a try for funsies. |
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Post by burningcherry on Oct 23, 2018 17:08:46 GMT
She is pretty much a more resilient N7 Fury. Pretty much not, she's doing like three times less biotic booms. |
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Post by mordokai on Oct 23, 2018 18:58:10 GMT
Valkyrie is objectively better. Nah. It's like comparing Drell Adept with Quarian Infiltrator. Both are powerhouses and depending on map/difficulty/enemy can be better or worse.
Valkyrie has tankyness and damage vs bosses. Fury has mobility, speed of BE's and ranged BE's + instant hitting and unavoidable power with a stagger (DC)
It comes down to personal preference and style, but for me Fury is 10x more fun. She just has more options.
I will acknowledge there is some bias in my opinion... I've never been good with Fury. But I could always get by with her passably. And maybe that's why I view her as inferior... the scrub me could play Fury. He could never topscore with her, but he could at least be decent with her. I could never do that with Valkyrie. Only once I learned the mechanics of the game, I could rein in the awesome power that is AVS. And when I was able to do that... Fury was just... obsolete. And at this point in time, she's just not interesting anymore. That she's a human certainly doesn't earn her any bonus points.
Valkyrie has tankyness and damage vs bosses. Fury has mobility, speed of BE's and ranged BE's + instant hitting and unavoidable power with a stagger (DC)
It comes down to personal preference and style, but for me Fury is 10x more fun. She just has more options. Very solid points. You're absolutely right. I guess I just enjoy the Valkyrie's high-risk high-reward and "in your face" gameplay (it is so fun to shred bosses in seconds). I guess the Valkyrie works better in smaller maps such as Firebase Glacier and Firebase White, where enemies tend to cluster a bit more and you don't have to run around in the open. But if anything, I'd say Valkyrie and Fury work great together. 
This man understands. I love the fact that Valkyrie doesn't give me much more choice than to be full on balls-to-the-wall mode. Some people mind view that as a con... I view it as a pro.
AVS is a better character for me,but i am a fanboy. No matter of the enemy/map/difficult.She requires more skills IMO,despite the fact she is more tanky.Fury can be better on a lower difficults,but on Plat AVS rules.I've done a tons of speedruns with both characters(with AVS much mire ofc ) and the average time with AVS is faster.Hell i even remember my last game on London with her.It was a duo with Lvca_gr and we rolled vs geth(plat)His host was capped at 120FPS and i died 2 times.I just love her.If i have to be honest,i like Fury as well.She is great,but for me AVS is the master. 
And of course, you would be here...
Thank you for your two cents... they are certainly appreciated BioWare gifted Asari Valkyrie Sentinel with all that power just to hide her true nature... once you embrace the full-on asarigasming melee build, there's no turning back.
Also this! AVS will always be more awesome melee platform than Fury. And melee AVS, while not as strong as weapon/biotic oriented one, is so much fun...
She is pretty much a more resilient N7 Fury. Pretty much not, she's doing like three times less biotic booms. Which, considering the level of "holy fuck, what the hell just happened?" AVS can wrought, is relevant... how exactly? |
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Oct 23, 2018 19:15:00 GMT
Hmm I need to do some research and give a new try, I never have figured how she works She is pretty much a more resilient N7 Fury. With Tech Armor you can get the bonus Power Damage upgrade, and with Annihilation Field + Warp you melt stuff pretty fast. I like rolling her with a N7 Piranha with Armor Rounds to shred Banshees in seconds after a Biotic Explosion. As aforementioned by our good folks, N7 Fury has Dark Channel, meaning she can detonate combos from afar with Throw, making her more defensive and viable on maps of any size. The Asari Valkyrie is a more bulky frontline Biotic that is great to fight bosses, but cannot detonate combos from distances; she also performs a bit poorly on larger maps. I haven't tried that Melee Build that Boatinhovic suggested. Might give it a try for funsies. It's not just about detonating combos from afar with the Fury, it's also about being able to slap DC on something instantly and unload a whole clip of Warp ammo that does massive damage to biotically primed things. I play N7 Fury with a an Eagle, so 43 rounds in the clip with great accuracy and higher than Lancer damage, but the Eagle can be reloaded instead of waiting for a cooldown. Actually the Eagle with a heavy barrel can do almost Harrier damage with more rounds in the clip and 2.5 times more reserve ammo than the Harrier AND being much lighter.
So if I see a Phantom in the distance coming in, I can slap DC on her, start shooting, get her to start flipping around and then Throw as she flips to kill her before she's even a threat. With Valkyrie you basically have approach each and every enemy and kill it in CQC.
With the Fury you can also just spam Throw every second and detonate everything. A lot of kits have Warp and Warp cannot be detonated with Warp. So if you're in a team with a Turian Sentinel or Krogan Shaman or something like that as AVS, you can't be the detonator.
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Post by burningcherry on Oct 23, 2018 19:19:14 GMT
Pretty much not, she's doing like three times less biotic booms. Which, considering the level of "holy fuck, what the hell just happened?" AVS can wrought, is relevant... how exactly? Most importantly, that it directly contradicts the statement I was referring to. But if we're talking about this... how exactly powerful AVS is without glitching? I mean, on Platinum, because we know about Gold. |
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Post by ElCid on Oct 23, 2018 19:24:52 GMT
Only once I learned the mechanics of the game, I could rein in the awesome power that is AVS. And when I was able to do that... Fury was just... obsolete. And at this point in time, she's just not interesting anymore. That she's a human certainly doesn't earn her any bonus points. FOR THESSIA! It's not just about detonating combos from afar with the Fury, it's also about being able to slap DC on something instantly and unload a whole clip of Warp ammo that does massive damage to biotically primed things. I play N7 Fury with a an Eagle, so 43 rounds in the clip with great accuracy and higher than Lancer damage, but the Eagle can be reloaded instead of waiting for a cooldown. Actually the Eagle with a heavy barrel can do almost Harrier damage with more rounds in the clip and 2.5 times more reserve ammo than the Harrier AND being much lighter. So if I see a Phantom in the distance coming in, I can slap DC on her, start shooting, get her to start flipping around and then Throw as she flips to kill her before she's even a threat. With Valkyrie you basically have approach each and every enemy and kill it in CQC. With the Fury you can also just spam Throw every second and detonate everything. A lot of kits have Warp and Warp cannot be detonated with Warp. So if you're in a team with a Turian Sentinel or Krogan Shaman or something like that as AVS, you can't be the detonator. Maybe I prefer the more close-combat approach of the Valkyrie because my aim with them guns is... Questionable. Hahaha. I think I'll re-pick the N7 Fury again after that. Or get a buddy who enjoys her more than I do so we can make a duo of Valkryie and Fury. |
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Post by mordokai on Oct 23, 2018 19:31:09 GMT
With the Fury you can also just spam Throw every second and detonate everything. A lot of kits have Warp and Warp cannot be detonated with Warp. So if you're in a team with a Turian Sentinel or Krogan Shaman or something like that as AVS, you can't be the detonator.
Sure you can... detonating AF detonates Warp.
It's not highly effective, but it works just fine.
Which, considering the level of "holy fuck, what the hell just happened?" AVS can wrought, is relevant... how exactly? Most importantly, that it directly contradicts the statement I was referring to. But if we're talking about this... how exactly powerful AVS is without glitching? I mean, on Platinum, because we know about Gold. Plenty? 15% Warp bonus+15% AF bonus damage amounts to 30% bonus damage to everything. It's, well... fucking huge. There's a reason Raider/Piranha Valkyrie is one of the highest DPS sets out there. And you don't even need the Incendiary cheese... Warp or AP ammo will do wonders. |
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Post by muahmuah on Oct 23, 2018 19:47:00 GMT
Which, considering the level of "holy fuck, what the hell just happened?" AVS can wrought, is relevant... how exactly? Most importantly, that it directly contradicts the statement I was referring to. But if we're talking about this... how exactly powerful AVS is without glitching? I mean, on Platinum, because we know about Gold. She rocks on Plat without any cheese.Talon,Raider,Arc,Venom etc.by your choice.AP or warp ammo.Of course she is more tricky and you need more skills as i mentioned.If you know when to detonate,even the phantrols are joke. |
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Oct 23, 2018 19:51:16 GMT
Only once I learned the mechanics of the game, I could rein in the awesome power that is AVS. And when I was able to do that... Fury was just... obsolete. And at this point in time, she's just not interesting anymore. That she's a human certainly doesn't earn her any bonus points. FOR THESSIA! It's not just about detonating combos from afar with the Fury, it's also about being able to slap DC on something instantly and unload a whole clip of Warp ammo that does massive damage to biotically primed things. I play N7 Fury with a an Eagle, so 43 rounds in the clip with great accuracy and higher than Lancer damage, but the Eagle can be reloaded instead of waiting for a cooldown. Actually the Eagle with a heavy barrel can do almost Harrier damage with more rounds in the clip and 2.5 times more reserve ammo than the Harrier AND being much lighter. So if I see a Phantom in the distance coming in, I can slap DC on her, start shooting, get her to start flipping around and then Throw as she flips to kill her before she's even a threat. With Valkyrie you basically have approach each and every enemy and kill it in CQC. With the Fury you can also just spam Throw every second and detonate everything. A lot of kits have Warp and Warp cannot be detonated with Warp. So if you're in a team with a Turian Sentinel or Krogan Shaman or something like that as AVS, you can't be the detonator. Maybe I prefer the more close-combat approach of the Valkyrie because my aim with them guns is... Questionable. Hahaha. I think I'll re-pick the N7 Fury again after that. Or get a buddy who enjoys her more than I do so we can make a duo of Valkryie and Fury.  Oh, I fight in CQC most of the time too, I'm hyper aggressive with BE's. The point is that I have a VIABLE option not to have to run into every enemy. If I'm holding a hack or following the drone or defending a person who's capping a device, or there's simply too much of a clusterfuck in the distance and Leeroy'ing a Geth mob would be suicidal, I can cast DC on stuff and shoot em or use throw and detonate a BE, DC jumps to something else, detonate, jumps, detonate and so on. |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Oct 23, 2018 20:31:42 GMT
BioWare gifted Asari Valkyrie Sentinel with all that power just to hide her true nature... once you embrace the full-on asarigasming melee build, there's no turning back. This one understands! |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Oct 23, 2018 21:21:06 GMT
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Post by Pearl on Oct 23, 2018 21:26:09 GMT
tl;dr the valkyrie has a lower skill floor but the fury has a higher skill ceiling, which one you prefer is most likely going to depend on how experienced you are with the game
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Post by obbie1984 on Oct 25, 2018 3:10:04 GMT
I'm a Fury bae fanboy through and through. I never hide this fact. She is also my best character. But I think Valkyrie is the superior character. They both excel at different things, but some people here made me aware of some Valkyrie builds that shred literally everything in seconds. Like, the first time I took her on Platinum solo against Cerberus, I was shocked how fast everything was dying. Plus I nearly got 10 waves survived with her (I have 3 Fury bae platinum solos under my belt, but best I got was was wave 6 without going down). Plus, Warp is amazing and I never found her having to get close or not causing as many explosions a hindrance especially if I am using Venom.
Bottom line for me:
Personally: Fury bae > Valkyrie
Gameplay: Valkyrie > Fury
Both are good, but Valkyrie is a tad stronger.
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