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Post by mattfon on Mar 12, 2018 18:14:36 GMT
Did anyone else notice the salarians blinked differently in Andromeda. In the OT they blinked upwards, while in Andromeda it was more like a human blink.
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Her scales are Kadara gold Her lips are sweet surprise Her hands are never cold She got Salarian Dalatross eyes
She'll turn the music on you You won't have to think twice She's pure as Voeldian snow She got Salarian Dalatross eyes
And she'll tease you, she'll unease you All the better just to please you She's precocious, and she knows just What it takes to make Angara blush She got Vetra's standoff sighs She's got Salarian Dalatross eyes
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Post by sil on Mar 13, 2018 0:11:02 GMT
I could've sworn the blinking issue was amended in a patch, but I could be wrong.
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Post by burnsidhe on Mar 13, 2018 22:04:43 GMT
It was not, not so far as I know. Someone goofed up, but that should be no surprise; I said a long time ago that Peebee having eyebrows was a sign that the people working on Andromeda didn't give a damn about the details, and after the release of the game it should be clear to everyone.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 14, 2018 2:16:35 GMT
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 14, 2018 9:33:45 GMT
It was not, not so far as I know. Someone goofed up, but that should be no surprise; I said a long time ago that Peebee having eyebrows was a sign that the people working on Andromeda didn't give a damn about the details, and after the release of the game it should be clear to everyone. I remember one guy asked the writer on, twitter why she has, and he said that it's a rare genetic mutation.
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Post by sil on Mar 14, 2018 10:49:38 GMT
It was not, not so far as I know. Someone goofed up, but that should be no surprise; I said a long time ago that Peebee having eyebrows was a sign that the people working on Andromeda didn't give a damn about the details, and after the release of the game it should be clear to everyone. I remember one guy asked the writer on, twitter why she has, and he said that it's a rare genetic mutation. Wow...
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Post by burnsidhe on Mar 29, 2018 4:04:23 GMT
Which is another way of saying "I didn't realize Asari don't have eyebrows so I accidentally gave Peebee some when I was working from the reference image, and we're too far along in production to change it."
And paying closer attention to the way salarians blink, at least Tann and Kallo seem to be blinking properly for salarians. It's hard to tell if it's consistent or if they just 'adjusted' a few moments here and there when they're in close-up during cutscenes, because I wasn't paying that much closer attention all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 11:53:14 GMT
It was not, not so far as I know. Someone goofed up, but that should be no surprise; I said a long time ago that Peebee having eyebrows was a sign that the people working on Andromeda didn't give a damn about the details, and after the release of the game it should be clear to everyone. ... and you probably failed to notice the massive number of details they did pay attention to. Like the fact that on PeeBee's loyalty mission, Drack does not fit into the safety harness on the escape pod, so he leaves it unlatched and you can hear it banging throughout the conversation between Ryder and PeeBee. Too busy making a big deal of PeeBee's eyebrows... Failing to note as well that she is the only Asari we've ever met with an Elcor father. It could indeed be a "rare genetic mutation." - an intentional detail difference inserted into the game to make us wonder whether the Asari are really that certain that they do not take on any DNA from the other races they mate with.
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Post by Sondergaard on Mar 30, 2018 12:45:56 GMT
It was not, not so far as I know. Someone goofed up, but that should be no surprise; I said a long time ago that Peebee having eyebrows was a sign that the people working on Andromeda didn't give a damn about the details, and after the release of the game it should be clear to everyone. ... and you probably failed to notice the massive number of details they did pay attention to. Like the fact that on PeeBee's loyalty mission, Drack does not fit into the safety harness on the escape pod, so he leaves it unlatched and you can hear it banging throughout the conversation between Ryder and PeeBee. Too busy making a big deal of PeeBee's eyebrows... Failing to note as well that she is the only Asari we've ever met with an Elcor father. It could indeed be a "rare genetic mutation." - an intentional detail difference inserted into the game to make us wonder whether the Asari are really that certain that they do not take on any DNA from the other races they mate with. For God's sake, they ballsed it up and tried to cover up with a Twitter excuse. Thing is, even for a Mass Effect Andromeda 'hater' such as myself (someone who was underwhelmed and thought it was an ok game but a poor Mass Effect game) it wasn't a big deal. The problem, as it has been through the centuries, wasn't the mistake, it was the inept attempt to cover it up. Made them look like idiots who don't understand (or even play) their own games. But you're back defending the indefensible, as ever. How's that theory on the asari clones doing?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 13:04:37 GMT
... and you probably failed to notice the massive number of details they did pay attention to. Like the fact that on PeeBee's loyalty mission, Drack does not fit into the safety harness on the escape pod, so he leaves it unlatched and you can hear it banging throughout the conversation between Ryder and PeeBee. Too busy making a big deal of PeeBee's eyebrows... Failing to note as well that she is the only Asari we've ever met with an Elcor father. It could indeed be a "rare genetic mutation." - an intentional detail difference inserted into the game to make us wonder whether the Asari are really that certain that they do not take on any DNA from the other races they mate with. For God's sake, they ballsed it up and tried to cover up with a Twitter excuse. Thing is, even for a Mass Effect Andromeda 'hater' such as myself (someone who was underwhelmed and thought it was an ok game but a poor Mass Effect game) it wasn't a big deal. The problem, as it has been through the centuries, wasn't the mistake, it was the inept attempt to cover it up. Made them look like idiots who don't understand (or even play) their own games. But you're back defending the indefensible, as ever. How's that theory on the asari clones doing? Think what you like. I REALLY do not care. The fact remains, they may have missed some details. They did pay attention to others. You're the one making the blanket statements here. One cannot prove what they're intent was either way. Only they know that.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 30, 2018 17:19:08 GMT
For God's sake, they ballsed it up and tried to cover up with a Twitter excuse. Thing is, even for a Mass Effect Andromeda 'hater' such as myself (someone who was underwhelmed and thought it was an ok game but a poor Mass Effect game) it wasn't a big deal. The problem, as it has been through the centuries, wasn't the mistake, it was the inept attempt to cover it up. Made them look like idiots who don't understand (or even play) their own games. But you're back defending the indefensible, as ever. How's that theory on the asari clones doing? Think what you like. I REALLY do not care. The fact remains, they may have missed some details. They did pay attention to others. You're the one making the blanket statements here. One cannot prove what they're intent was either way. Only they know that. Let's me honest. Whatever their intentions, they generally screwed up with the asari. The clones alone shows the lack of care put in. Eyebrows probably didn't occur to them as a thing that shouldn't have been there. Also, side note, stick around this time? Tired of seeing threads you started that now have your username grayed out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 17:45:10 GMT
Think what you like. I REALLY do not care. The fact remains, they may have missed some details. They did pay attention to others. You're the one making the blanket statements here. One cannot prove what they're intent was either way. Only they know that. Let's me honest. Whatever their intentions, they generally screwed up with the asari. The clones alone shows the lack of care put in. Eyebrows probably didn't occur to them as a thing that shouldn't have been there. Also, side note, stick around this time? Tired of seeing threads you started that now have your username grayed out. Intentional or not, the ME:A Asari did not go over well with many of their fans. I think that's a pretty accurate statement. Still, it might have been an oversight or intentional, but I highly doubt it was due to not caring about details. They put too much effort into too many other details in the game for me to say that they didn't care about such things. By the way, my comment above was about PeeBee's eyebrows possibly being intentional. I said nothing about the cloned faces at all.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Apr 1, 2018 10:29:35 GMT
It was not, not so far as I know. Someone goofed up, but that should be no surprise; I said a long time ago that Peebee having eyebrows was a sign that the people working on Andromeda didn't give a damn about the details, and after the release of the game it should be clear to everyone. ... and you probably failed to notice the massive number of details they did pay attention to. Like the fact that on PeeBee's loyalty mission, Drack does not fit into the safety harness on the escape pod, so he leaves it unlatched and you can hear it banging throughout the conversation between Ryder and PeeBee. Too busy making a big deal of PeeBee's eyebrows... Failing to note as well that she is the only Asari we've ever met with an Elcor father. It could indeed be a "rare genetic mutation." - an intentional detail difference inserted into the game to make us wonder whether the Asari are really that certain that they do not take on any DNA from the other races they mate with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 12:51:17 GMT
... and you probably failed to notice the massive number of details they did pay attention to. Like the fact that on PeeBee's loyalty mission, Drack does not fit into the safety harness on the escape pod, so he leaves it unlatched and you can hear it banging throughout the conversation between Ryder and PeeBee. Too busy making a big deal of PeeBee's eyebrows... Failing to note as well that she is the only Asari we've ever met with an Elcor father. It could indeed be a "rare genetic mutation." - an intentional detail difference inserted into the game to make us wonder whether the Asari are really that certain that they do not take on any DNA from the other races they mate with. What exactly is the bull shit? It's a fact stated in ME:A that PeeBee's father is an Elcor. It's a fact that, if Drack is taken on PeeBee's loyalty mission, he does not latch the safety harness and the sound of it banging can be heard throughout the conversation with Ryder. Other squad taken on that same mission do latch the safety harness and the banging is not heard in those cases. The game responds to 100s of minute details as the player changes their playthroughs. Bioware staff obviously cares about details. It's bull shit that people accuse them of not caring just because they missed a few or were too rushed to meet EA's release deadline to correct some simple mistakes. So, thanks for the meme. It's just soooo astute and erudite.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Apr 1, 2018 14:41:44 GMT
Those "massive number of details" were unimportant. The lore breaking writing at every turn is more important than a safety latch.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 15:47:49 GMT
Those "massive number of details" were unimportant. The lore breaking writing at every turn is more important than a safety latch. So, the actual bottom line here is that you just care more about different details than they do. It's still bull shit to accuse them of just not caring about details in general. Whether or not Salarians blink up or down or even sideways for that matter does NOT override the fun I have playing this game. How Salarians blink has no bearing on anything remotely of importance within the story. It's not referenced in relation to any sort of tactical advantage or in any plot line within the Trilogy. It was only an arbitrary art-style decision made when they were first rendered. Whether or not the game is fun to play is the detail I care most about... and Andromeda has been fun to play. I don't get hung up on finding multiple new ways to dis the developers about a game for which they've already pulled their support and have moved on to developing their next game. I care that, if that game gets trashed in the same petty ways Andromeda got trashed that EA will likely shut down Bioware and we'll never see a DA4. I care that staff leaving Bioware after completing tasks (like Drew leaving after completing his work on Anthem) might actually be a sign that EA is winding down Bioware already by not assigning new projects to the staff and allowing attrition to get some of them out the doors before they shut (something I've seen done by many companies in the past). Those are the details I really care about. IMO, Bioware wrote the lore and Bioware has every right to change it. They certainly have the right to make alterations to such arbitrary art-style decisions. Furthermore, nobody seems to mind when modders change the lore. For example, the official lore is that, under no circumstances, did a male Shepard become involved with Kaidan romantically until ME3. Yet, modders were perfectly find with making a mod that allowed for such a relationship in ME1. In ME:A, it's official lore that PeeBee has a tattoo across her eyes. There is even dialogue in the game that says as much, yet modders are perfectly fine with making a mod that removes it. In ME2, it's official lore that certain squadmates were recruit late in the game, but that hasn't stopped modders from making so those squad mates can be taken on missions that come before they were recruited and even on the missions that recruit themselves. There seems to be no limit on how much modders can mess with the official lore of a game... yet, when the developers change even a minor detail, they get trashed unendingly online for it. Definitely a double-standard there.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 1, 2018 16:30:06 GMT
What exactly is the bull shit? It's a fact stated in ME:A that PeeBee's father is an Elcor. It's a fact that, if Drack is taken on PeeBee's loyalty mission, he does not latch the safety harness and the sound of it banging can be heard throughout the conversation with Ryder. Other squad taken on that same mission do latch the safety harness and the banging is not heard in those cases. The game responds to 100s of minute details as the player changes their playthroughs. Bioware staff obviously cares about details. It's bull shit that people accuse them of not caring just because they missed a few or were too rushed to meet EA's release deadline to correct some simple mistakes. So, thanks for the meme. It's just soooo astute and erudite. I don't know if I think they didn't care. I think they ran out of time. I think, had they not wasted 3-1/2 years on something they didn't use that we might have had a variety of asari rather than Peebee and a bunch of Lexi clones. I still don't buy the mutation thing. That, to me, sounds like covering up a mistake. I think people would accept that response rather than not acknowledging the reality.
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What exactly is the bull shit? It's a fact stated in ME:A that PeeBee's father is an Elcor. It's a fact that, if Drack is taken on PeeBee's loyalty mission, he does not latch the safety harness and the sound of it banging can be heard throughout the conversation with Ryder. Other squad taken on that same mission do latch the safety harness and the banging is not heard in those cases. The game responds to 100s of minute details as the player changes their playthroughs. Bioware staff obviously cares about details. It's bull shit that people accuse them of not caring just because they missed a few or were too rushed to meet EA's release deadline to correct some simple mistakes. So, thanks for the meme. It's just soooo astute and erudite. I don't know if I think they didn't care. I think they ran out of time. I think, had they not wasted 3-1/2 years on something they didn't use that we might have had a variety of asari rather than Peebee and a bunch of Lexi clones. I still don't buy the mutation thing. That, to me, sounds like covering up a mistake. I think people would accept that response rather than not acknowledging the reality. Again, my reference above was directly towards PeeBee's eyebrows, not the Asari clones. PeeBee has eyebrows by intent, not because they ran out of time to change her model. Dialogue in game indicates that she's different than other Asari because her father is an Elcor. The dialogue also suggests that such a pairing is a very rare occurrence among the Asari because of the different energy levels between the two species. There is also dialogue in the game mentioning her tattoo across her eyes. Neither of those dialogues are the result of an oversight. They had to be planned and recorded well before the game was released. There was meant to be some sort of story there that was not about covering it up because some fans didn't like it. The clone faces on the Asari are a different matter entirely and indeed probably due to their running out of time to individualize them more. Personally, the clone faces don't bother me. It would have been nice if they had the time to finish the game properly, but they didn't... water under the bridge.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 1, 2018 16:59:17 GMT
I don't know if I think they didn't care. I think they ran out of time. I think, had they not wasted 3-1/2 years on something they didn't use that we might have had a variety of asari rather than Peebee and a bunch of Lexi clones. I still don't buy the mutation thing. That, to me, sounds like covering up a mistake. I think people would accept that response rather than not acknowledging the reality. Again, my reference above was directly towards PeeBee's eyebrows, not the Asari clones. PeeBee has eyebrows by intent, not because they ran out of time to change her model. Dialogue in game indicates that she's different than other Asari because her father is an Elcor. The dialogue also suggests that such a pairing is a very rare occurrence among the Asari because of the different energy levels between the two species. There is also dialogue in the game mentioning her tattoo across her eyes. Neither of those dialogues are the result of an oversight. They had to be planned and recorded well before the game was released. There was meant to be some sort of story there that was not about covering it up because some fans didn't like it. The clone faces on the Asari are a different matter entirely and indeed probably due to their running out of time to individualize them more. Personally, the clone faces don't bother me. It would have been nice if they had the time to finish the game properly, but they didn't... water under the bridge. Yes, but Peebee being different because of her father's race is lore-breaking. Sure, Aethyta suggests her father being a krogan had some impact on her personality, but then what's the excuse for any number of other asari who are equally gruff? What are some people sweet and others rough? They just are. The genetics of the father do not factor into the look or personality of the resulting child. It is, even according to the codex and the wiki, a form of parthenogensis. The mother provides TWO copies of her own genes to the daughter, meaning none come from the "father". However, one set is altered by the "father" (remember, sex is not necessary for reproduction). As far as I can tell, an asari is as likely to be even-tempered or a total ass regardless of the second parent. Anything relating to the elcor is pure conjecture or, more likely, ignorance of the lore. Yes, I know you were talking about eyebrows but I still think the response was covering up a mistake. I brought up the clones because it's so noticeable and might lead people to believe BioWare simply didn't care, which IS in line with what you were discussing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 17:16:57 GMT
Again, my reference above was directly towards PeeBee's eyebrows, not the Asari clones. PeeBee has eyebrows by intent, not because they ran out of time to change her model. Dialogue in game indicates that she's different than other Asari because her father is an Elcor. The dialogue also suggests that such a pairing is a very rare occurrence among the Asari because of the different energy levels between the two species. There is also dialogue in the game mentioning her tattoo across her eyes. Neither of those dialogues are the result of an oversight. They had to be planned and recorded well before the game was released. There was meant to be some sort of story there that was not about covering it up because some fans didn't like it. The clone faces on the Asari are a different matter entirely and indeed probably due to their running out of time to individualize them more. Personally, the clone faces don't bother me. It would have been nice if they had the time to finish the game properly, but they didn't... water under the bridge. Yes, but Peebee being different because of her father's race is lore-breaking. Sure, Aethyta suggests her father being a krogan had some impact on her personality, but then what's the excuse for any number of other asari who are equally gruff? What are some people sweet and others rough? They just are. The genetics of the father do not factor into the look or personality of the resulting child. It is, even according to the codex and the wiki, a form of parthenogensis. The mother provides TWO copies of her own genes to the daughter, meaning none come from the "father". However, one set is altered by the "father" (remember, sex is not necessary for reproduction). As far as I can tell, an asari is as likely to be even-tempered or a total ass regardless of the second parent. Anything relating to the elcor is pure conjecture or, more likely, ignorance of the lore. Yes, I know you were talking about eyebrows but I still think the response was covering up a mistake. I brought up the clones because it's so noticeable and might lead people to believe BioWare simply didn't care, which IS in line with what you were discussing. Lore-breaking as to how that lore was presented in the MET... but it's also presented that Aethyta disagreed with that lore (she got her father's mouth though, etc) Matings with Krogan are apparently not that uncommon since we see other Asari that have mated with Krogan in the game (e.g. Charr and Ereba). Aethyta also mated with a Hanar (and judging from Liara's reaction, that is pretty rare)... so, maybe Aethyta saw something different in her daughter from that pairing that caused her to think differently about Asari reproduction. It's possible that Bioware intends to drive the story in a direction that causes the Asari to discover something new about themselves... some long-held belief they had about their reproduction that they subsequently discover was in error. That happens in human medicine all the time (Heck, it was reported that doctors discovered a new human organ just this past month - something that we've long believed wasn't an organ turns out that it is). in ME:A, there is clearly a story line that the Angara long believed something about how they were created that turned out to be completely false. Possible, that Bioware intended to have the Asari discover something similar about themselves. There's also discussion between PeeBee and Jaal about what makes the Asari different from the Kett. Where, potentially, is that leading? We don't know and, now, we may never know.
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Post by burnsidhe on Apr 12, 2018 0:26:41 GMT
"I sure got his mouth, though" means "I picked up his verbal quirks from living with him" rather than "I got the genetic trait of foul-mouthed speech from him."
Asari believe they can 'shape' their daughters genetics to pick up desired traits from the partner. This may or may not be true, and if PeeBee has a 'rare' genetic trait that gives her eyebrows, then the asari belief that they can shape their daughters genes at conception is false.
Or, and this is far more likely, the artist didn't realize asari don't have eyebrows and it was far too late to change the characters design by the time it was shown to the public.
And PeeBee is completely unreliable when she says anything about her past. To Drack, she says her father was an Elcor. To Vetra, she implies both her parents were asari.
As for the scene with Drack in the escape pod, which you love to point to as an example, well... they knew that scene would be part of their game play demonstration for a major gaming event, so yes, the artists paid a LOT more attention to it. But the writers for the rest of the game... not so much.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 12, 2018 23:08:56 GMT
Asari believe they can 'shape' their daughters genetics to pick up desired traits from the partner. This may or may not be true, and if PeeBee has a 'rare' genetic trait that gives her eyebrows, then the asari belief that they can shape their daughters genes at conception is false. That doesn't follow. Whatever does or doesn't come from the father, surely the mother contributes something
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2018 1:34:41 GMT
Asari believe they can 'shape' their daughters genetics to pick up desired traits from the partner. This may or may not be true, and if PeeBee has a 'rare' genetic trait that gives her eyebrows, then the asari belief that they can shape their daughters genes at conception is false. That doesn't follow. Whatever does or doesn't come the father, surely the mother contributes something The mother contributes nearly everything. The father helps "randomize" the genes or something like that, and it works best when the randomizer isn't asari. Otherwise, it has a higher likelihood of generation an Ardat-Yakshi.
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